supernatural powers

May 2, 2005

Jai Shree Mataji

Has any body experienced any supernatural power. Like in the earlier days the rishis (saints) had . Like seeing distance things, and using elements like fire and water with hands.

What r the different stages in meditation, like the dead state etc.

Thanks

May 2, 2005

Dear Maddy,

In the Bible you will read " Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his

righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. "

First of all, the greatest power, is the power of love, did you know

that?

" If i speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have

love, i have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if i have

the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge and if

i have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, i

am nothing. Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love

does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it

does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a

wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices

with the truth: bears all things, believes all things, hopes all

things, endures all things.(1 Corinthians 13:1-7)

The power of love is the greatest power of all. Through the power of

love, Jesus healed the sick, the blind, the maim, etc. However, he

did not consider these to be " supernatural " as you state. This was

the " power of love " which flowed from him and was a very natural

part of himself. Jesus was the greatest Rishi. He is a good example

to use to compare others too. He never showed off his powers.

In the same way yogis, who have their self-realization and are

established, experience the flow of this love of God (called

Paramchaitanya.) This power of love flows to oneself and others and

can heal if the person so desires. This happens through the flow of

the Kundalini, the Divine Mother, which does all the work. We do

nothing; the Divine does everything. The power of the collective has

seen many miracles, individually and collectively. Read about some

amazing experiences of yogis in the forum of Her Love Reflected

(Forum for personal accounts of people who have met Shri Mataji.)

Again, these miracles happen as a natural outpouring of the

Kundalini or Holy Spirit in people's lives.

A " connected " person does not seem himself as separate from the

Spirit. When connected to the Spirit, you are in the Kingdom of God

and as such, connected to the All-Pervading Power and miracles do

happen in every day life. The Kundalini, your Spiritual Mother

resides within when you are connected and guides you, gives you

inner knowledge. She is the Comforter and teaches you things of your

Spirit that you need to know.

So Maddy, do not seek " distance viewing " or some outward phenomena

with fire and water. They are illusionary. They are not what you

want to seek. You want to seek the Divine or God within. To seek

anything from the outside is a Maya or illusion and will not lead

you to your Spirit.

However, when a person is connected, the nature works with them.

They are deities that work to cleanse us. So we use the elements of

earth, air, fire, water and ether to clear ourselves. These elements

also are working with us because we have our connection and the

elements are a part of the All-Pervading Power of God.

For example, we find before a puja, which is a spiritual ceremony,

that the deities always cause it to rain the day or two before to

clear the atmosphere of negative vibrations. This always happens

because they are wanting to give spiritual vibrations to the whole

world and help us. This happens unfailingly because they are working

with us. It is not a coincidence.

We also find that when we meditate, we have this wind that comes

around us, encircles us and vibrates us. It is the power of the

Paramchaitanya (Hindu), the Holy Spirit (Christianity), the Ruh

(Islamic), the Maitreya (Buddhists), the Eykaa Mayee (Sikhs). It was

the wind on the Day of Pentecost whereby the disciples of Jesus were

the first to experience it.

We find that when we meditate, the fire burns away our subtle

negativities in much the same way that fire can burn material

rubbish; it also burns " subtle " negativity and you will see this

when the flame flickers and burns something up as you meditate in

front of it. These powers of nature work for us lovingly when we are

connected to the Divine but we do not consider it to be

supernatural; it is a very loving natural state of connection where

all the nature and oneself is in harmony.

Rishis who are using fire in " strange " ways are showing off and

trying to get devotees that way. They are not kosher. If you can

take Jesus for an example; he would never do anything like that and

show off. True spirit-filled rishis do not have a need to show off

and will not do it because it will give the wrong idea to people and

attract them for the wrong reason. That does not mean that they

could not do anything, but they would not. It is not the way of love

to cause sensationalism, let alone common sense. These are

charlatans; people who Jesus would call " wolves in sheep's

clothing. " They pretend to be the real thing and they are not.

True incarnations, prophets, and teachers do not show off their

powers for sensationalism. They, rather use their powers of love for

benevolence. When any powers are seen, they are a natural outpouring

of a spiritual need. There has to be balance in all things. Any true

rishis sought the Kingdom of God first and taught that, rather than

showing off any powers.

These " so-called rishis " who use superconscious and subconscious

powers to show off and attract devotees and these devotees end up

giving themselves and every penny they earn to these charlatans. i

can tell you any such rishis are not true rishis.

Dear Maddy, i urge you to forget about all these " suspect " outward

signs that will lead to disappointment and enslavement and go within

and seek your Spirit which will liberate and lead you to the Kingdom

of God and the middle path of your Sushumna Nadi, which keeps you in

the present. Please do not seek for these outward signs or so-called

supernatural powers; they will surely lead you away from the present

and from balance.

Rather, seek the Kingdom of God first and you will gain everything

you need in your life.

Violet

, maddy

<maddy7_maddy7> wrote:

> Jai Shree Mataji

> Has any body experienced any supernatural power. Like in the

earlier days the rishis (saints) had . Like seeing distance things,

and using elements like fire and water with hands.

> What r the different stages in meditation, like the dead state

etc.

>

> Thanks

>

May 3, 2005

Thanks Violet

Actually I knew all these things but was confussed, NOW THE CONFUSSION IS GONE. Thanks for all the words you wrote here.

Can you please tell me about the growth in meditation , like the different stages as talked by mother about the nirvikalpa state etc.

Bye

violet_tubb <vtubb wrote:

Dear Maddy, In the Bible you will read "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you."First of all, the greatest power, is the power of love, did you know that? "If i speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, i have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if i have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge and if i have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, i am nothing. Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices with the truth: bears all things, believes all things, hopes all

things, endures all things.(1 Corinthians 13:1-7)The power of love is the greatest power of all. Through the power of love, Jesus healed the sick, the blind, the maim, etc. However, he did not consider these to be "supernatural" as you state. This was the "power of love" which flowed from him and was a very natural part of himself. Jesus was the greatest Rishi. He is a good example to use to compare others too. He never showed off his powers.In the same way yogis, who have their self-realization and are established, experience the flow of this love of God (called Paramchaitanya.) This power of love flows to oneself and others and can heal if the person so desires. This happens through the flow of the Kundalini, the Divine Mother, which does all the work. We do nothing; the Divine does everything. The power of the collective has seen many miracles, individually and collectively. Read about some amazing experiences of

yogis in the forum of Her Love Reflected (Forum for personal accounts of people who have met Shri Mataji.)Again, these miracles happen as a natural outpouring of the Kundalini or Holy Spirit in people's lives.A "connected" person does not seem himself as separate from the Spirit. When connected to the Spirit, you are in the Kingdom of God and as such, connected to the All-Pervading Power and miracles do happen in every day life. The Kundalini, your Spiritual Mother resides within when you are connected and guides you, gives you inner knowledge. She is the Comforter and teaches you things of your Spirit that you need to know.So Maddy, do not seek "distance viewing" or some outward phenomena with fire and water. They are illusionary. They are not what you want to seek. You want to seek the Divine or God within. To seek anything from the outside is a Maya or illusion and will not lead you to your

Spirit.However, when a person is connected, the nature works with them. They are deities that work to cleanse us. So we use the elements of earth, air, fire, water and ether to clear ourselves. These elements also are working with us because we have our connection and the elements are a part of the All-Pervading Power of God.For example, we find before a puja, which is a spiritual ceremony, that the deities always cause it to rain the day or two before to clear the atmosphere of negative vibrations. This always happens because they are wanting to give spiritual vibrations to the whole world and help us. This happens unfailingly because they are working with us. It is not a coincidence.We also find that when we meditate, we have this wind that comes around us, encircles us and vibrates us. It is the power of the Paramchaitanya (Hindu), the Holy Spirit (Christianity), the Ruh (Islamic), the Maitreya (Buddhists),

the Eykaa Mayee (Sikhs). It was the wind on the Day of Pentecost whereby the disciples of Jesus were the first to experience it.We find that when we meditate, the fire burns away our subtle negativities in much the same way that fire can burn material rubbish; it also burns "subtle" negativity and you will see this when the flame flickers and burns something up as you meditate in front of it. These powers of nature work for us lovingly when we are connected to the Divine but we do not consider it to be supernatural; it is a very loving natural state of connection where all the nature and oneself is in harmony.Rishis who are using fire in "strange" ways are showing off and trying to get devotees that way. They are not kosher. If you can take Jesus for an example; he would never do anything like that and show off. True spirit-filled rishis do not have a need to show off and will not do it because it will give the

wrong idea to people and attract them for the wrong reason. That does not mean that they could not do anything, but they would not. It is not the way of love to cause sensationalism, let alone common sense. These are charlatans; people who Jesus would call "wolves in sheep's clothing." They pretend to be the real thing and they are not. True incarnations, prophets, and teachers do not show off their powers for sensationalism. They, rather use their powers of love for benevolence. When any powers are seen, they are a natural outpouring of a spiritual need. There has to be balance in all things. Any true rishis sought the Kingdom of God first and taught that, rather than showing off any powers. These "so-called rishis" who use superconscious and subconscious powers to show off and attract devotees and these devotees end up giving themselves and every penny they earn to these charlatans. i can tell you any such rishis

are not true rishis.Dear Maddy, i urge you to forget about all these "suspect" outward signs that will lead to disappointment and enslavement and go within and seek your Spirit which will liberate and lead you to the Kingdom of God and the middle path of your Sushumna Nadi, which keeps you in the present. Please do not seek for these outward signs or so-called supernatural powers; they will surely lead you away from the present and from balance.Rather, seek the Kingdom of God first and you will gain everything you need in your life.Violet , maddy <maddy7_maddy7> wrote:> Jai Shree Mataji> Has any body experienced any supernatural power. Like in the earlier days the rishis (saints) had . Like seeing distance things, and using elements like fire and water with hands. > What r the different stages in meditation, like the dead

state etc.> > Thanks> > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

May 3, 2005

, maddy

<maddy7_maddy7> wrote:

> Thanks Violet

> Actually I knew all these things but was confussed, NOW THE

CONFUSSION IS GONE. Thanks for all the words you wrote here.

> Can you please tell me about the growth in meditation , like the

different stages as talked by mother about the nirvikalpa state etc.

>

> Bye

>

> --------------

> violet_tubb <vtubb@b...> wrote:

> Dear Maddy,

>

> In the Bible you will read " Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and

> his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. "

>

Dear Maddy and Violet,

i have taken the liberty to repost this important topic to the new

forum. Hope we can have further input so that others can learn from

the answers provided.

The post is now under:

Guidance for Meditation

What is Meditation?

Forum to define meditation on the basis of spiritual scriptures and

the writings of enlightened souls

Supernatural Powers: http://adishakti.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=11

Maddy, you will have to register to view the topic. Most of the

information required is optional. Thank you.

regards,

jagbir

May 3, 2005

Dear Maddy,

You state.. " Can you please tell me about the growth in meditation,

like the different stages as talked about by mother about the

nirvikalpa state, etc. "

If you register on to the new forum, which is Shri Adi Shakti Forum,

you will find the answer under the category of " Excerpts from Shri

Mataji's Talks. " It is the 2nd from the bottom,entitled " Nirvikalpa " .

We are forming a body of knowledge on this new forum where a lot of

this knowledge can be accessed, so i would ask you to register there

and find what has been written on the topic. You will be quite

surprised at how much Shri Mataji has spoken on this topic.

Kind regards,

Violet

, maddy

<maddy7_maddy7> wrote:

> Thanks Violet

> Actually I knew all these things but was confussed, NOW THE

CONFUSSION IS GONE. Thanks for all the words you wrote here.

> Can you please tell me about the growth in meditation , like the

different stages as talked by mother about the nirvikalpa state etc.

>

> Bye

>

> violet_tubb <vtubb@b...> wrote:

> Dear Maddy,

>

> In the Bible you will read " Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and

his

> righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. "

>

> First of all, the greatest power, is the power of love, did you

know

> that?

>

> " If i speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have

> love, i have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if i

have

> the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge and

if

> i have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love,

i

> am nothing. Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love

> does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it

> does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account

a

> wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices

> with the truth: bears all things, believes all things, hopes all

> things, endures all things.(1 Corinthians 13:1-7)

>

> The power of love is the greatest power of all. Through the power

of

> love, Jesus healed the sick, the blind, the maim, etc. However, he

> did not consider these to be " supernatural " as you state. This was

> the " power of love " which flowed from him and was a very natural

> part of himself. Jesus was the greatest Rishi. He is a good

example

> to use to compare others too. He never showed off his powers.

>

> In the same way yogis, who have their self-realization and are

> established, experience the flow of this love of God (called

> Paramchaitanya.) This power of love flows to oneself and others

and

> can heal if the person so desires. This happens through the flow

of

> the Kundalini, the Divine Mother, which does all the work. We do

> nothing; the Divine does everything. The power of the collective

has

> seen many miracles, individually and collectively. Read about some

> amazing experiences of yogis in the forum of Her Love Reflected

> (Forum for personal accounts of people who have met Shri Mataji.)

> Again, these miracles happen as a natural outpouring of the

> Kundalini or Holy Spirit in people's lives.

>

> A " connected " person does not seem himself as separate from the

> Spirit. When connected to the Spirit, you are in the Kingdom of

God

> and as such, connected to the All-Pervading Power and miracles do

> happen in every day life. The Kundalini, your Spiritual Mother

> resides within when you are connected and guides you, gives you

> inner knowledge. She is the Comforter and teaches you things of

your

> Spirit that you need to know.

>

> So Maddy, do not seek " distance viewing " or some outward phenomena

> with fire and water. They are illusionary. They are not what you

> want to seek. You want to seek the Divine or God within. To seek

> anything from the outside is a Maya or illusion and will not lead

> you to your Spirit.

>

> However, when a person is connected, the nature works with them.

> They are deities that work to cleanse us. So we use the elements

of

> earth, air, fire, water and ether to clear ourselves. These

elements

> also are working with us because we have our connection and the

> elements are a part of the All-Pervading Power of God.

>

> For example, we find before a puja, which is a spiritual ceremony,

> that the deities always cause it to rain the day or two before to

> clear the atmosphere of negative vibrations. This always happens

> because they are wanting to give spiritual vibrations to the whole

> world and help us. This happens unfailingly because they are

working

> with us. It is not a coincidence.

>

> We also find that when we meditate, we have this wind that comes

> around us, encircles us and vibrates us. It is the power of the

> Paramchaitanya (Hindu), the Holy Spirit (Christianity), the Ruh

> (Islamic), the Maitreya (Buddhists), the Eykaa Mayee (Sikhs). It

was

> the wind on the Day of Pentecost whereby the disciples of Jesus

were

> the first to experience it.

>

> We find that when we meditate, the fire burns away our subtle

> negativities in much the same way that fire can burn material

> rubbish; it also burns " subtle " negativity and you will see this

> when the flame flickers and burns something up as you meditate in

> front of it. These powers of nature work for us lovingly when we

are

> connected to the Divine but we do not consider it to be

> supernatural; it is a very loving natural state of connection

where

> all the nature and oneself is in harmony.

>

> Rishis who are using fire in " strange " ways are showing off and

> trying to get devotees that way. They are not kosher. If you can

> take Jesus for an example; he would never do anything like that

and

> show off. True spirit-filled rishis do not have a need to show off

> and will not do it because it will give the wrong idea to people

and

> attract them for the wrong reason. That does not mean that they

> could not do anything, but they would not. It is not the way of

love

> to cause sensationalism, let alone common sense. These are

> charlatans; people who Jesus would call " wolves in sheep's

> clothing. " They pretend to be the real thing and they are not.

>

> True incarnations, prophets, and teachers do not show off their

> powers for sensationalism. They, rather use their powers of love

for

> benevolence. When any powers are seen, they are a natural

outpouring

> of a spiritual need. There has to be balance in all things. Any

true

> rishis sought the Kingdom of God first and taught that, rather

than

> showing off any powers.

>

> These " so-called rishis " who use superconscious and subconscious

> powers to show off and attract devotees and these devotees end up

> giving themselves and every penny they earn to these charlatans. i

> can tell you any such rishis are not true rishis.

>

> Dear Maddy, i urge you to forget about all these " suspect " outward

> signs that will lead to disappointment and enslavement and go

within

> and seek your Spirit which will liberate and lead you to the

Kingdom

> of God and the middle path of your Sushumna Nadi, which keeps you

in

> the present. Please do not seek for these outward signs or so-

called

> supernatural powers; they will surely lead you away from the

present

> and from balance.

>

> Rather, seek the Kingdom of God first and you will gain everything

> you need in your life.

>

> Violet

>

> , maddy

> <maddy7_maddy7> wrote:

> > Jai Shree Mataji

> > Has any body experienced any supernatural power. Like in the

> earlier days the rishis (saints) had . Like seeing distance

things,

> and using elements like fire and water with hands.

> > What r the different stages in meditation, like the dead state

> etc.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>

May 31, 2005

hello violet,

i just read that letter from you to maddy about meditation. its a very good letter for the beginners. keep up the good work. thanks for your letter.

anand.maddy <maddy7_maddy7 wrote:

Thanks Violet

Actually I knew all these things but was confussed, NOW THE CONFUSSION IS GONE. Thanks for all the words you wrote here.

Can you please tell me about the growth in meditation , like the different stages as talked by mother about the nirvikalpa state etc.

Bye

violet_tubb <vtubb wrote:

Dear Maddy, In the Bible you will read "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you."First of all, the greatest power, is the power of love, did you know that? "If i speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, i have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if i have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge and if i have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, i am nothing. Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices with the truth: bears all things, believes all things, hopes all

things, endures all things.(1 Corinthians 13:1-7)The power of love is the greatest power of all. Through the power of love, Jesus healed the sick, the blind, the maim, etc. However, he did not consider these to be "supernatural" as you state. This was the "power of love" which flowed from him and was a very natural part of himself. Jesus was the greatest Rishi. He is a good example to use to compare others too. He never showed off his powers.In the same way yogis, who have their self-realization and are established, experience the flow of this love of God (called Paramchaitanya.) This power of love flows to oneself and others and can heal if the person so desires. This happens through the flow of the Kundalini, the Divine Mother, which does all the work. We do nothing; the Divine does everything. The power of the collective has seen many miracles, individually and collectively. Read about some amazing experiences of

yogis in the forum of Her Love Reflected (Forum for personal accounts of people who have met Shri Mataji.)Again, these miracles happen as a natural outpouring of the Kundalini or Holy Spirit in people's lives.A "connected" person does not seem himself as separate from the Spirit. When connected to the Spirit, you are in the Kingdom of God and as such, connected to the All-Pervading Power and miracles do happen in every day life. The Kundalini, your Spiritual Mother resides within when you are connected and guides you, gives you inner knowledge. She is the Comforter and teaches you things of your Spirit that you need to know.So Maddy, do not seek "distance viewing" or some outward phenomena with fire and water. They are illusionary. They are not what you want to seek. You want to seek the Divine or God within. To seek anything from the outside is a Maya or illusion and will not lead you to your

Spirit.However, when a person is connected, the nature works with them. They are deities that work to cleanse us. So we use the elements of earth, air, fire, water and ether to clear ourselves. These elements also are working with us because we have our connection and the elements are a part of the All-Pervading Power of God.For example, we find before a puja, which is a spiritual ceremony, that the deities always cause it to rain the day or two before to clear the atmosphere of negative vibrations. This always happens because they are wanting to give spiritual vibrations to the whole world and help us. This happens unfailingly because they are working with us. It is not a coincidence.We also find that when we meditate, we have this wind that comes around us, encircles us and vibrates us. It is the power of the Paramchaitanya (Hindu), the Holy Spirit (Christianity), the Ruh (Islamic), the Maitreya (Buddhists),

the Eykaa Mayee (Sikhs). It was the wind on the Day of Pentecost whereby the disciples of Jesus were the first to experience it.We find that when we meditate, the fire burns away our subtle negativities in much the same way that fire can burn material rubbish; it also burns "subtle" negativity and you will see this when the flame flickers and burns something up as you meditate in front of it. These powers of nature work for us lovingly when we are connected to the Divine but we do not consider it to be supernatural; it is a very loving natural state of connection where all the nature and oneself is in harmony.Rishis who are using fire in "strange" ways are showing off and trying to get devotees that way. They are not kosher. If you can take Jesus for an example; he would never do anything like that and show off. True spirit-filled rishis do not have a need to show off and will not do it because it will give the

wrong idea to people and attract them for the wrong reason. That does not mean that they could not do anything, but they would not. It is not the way of love to cause sensationalism, let alone common sense. These are charlatans; people who Jesus would call "wolves in sheep's clothing." They pretend to be the real thing and they are not. True incarnations, prophets, and teachers do not show off their powers for sensationalism. They, rather use their powers of love for benevolence. When any powers are seen, they are a natural outpouring of a spiritual need. There has to be balance in all things. Any true rishis sought the Kingdom of God first and taught that, rather than showing off any powers. These "so-called rishis" who use superconscious and subconscious powers to show off and attract devotees and these devotees end up giving themselves and every penny they earn to these charlatans. i can tell you any such rishis

are not true rishis.Dear Maddy, i urge you to forget about all these "suspect" outward signs that will lead to disappointment and enslavement and go within and seek your Spirit which will liberate and lead you to the Kingdom of God and the middle path of your Sushumna Nadi, which keeps you in the present. Please do not seek for these outward signs or so-called supernatural powers; they will surely lead you away from the present and from balance.Rather, seek the Kingdom of God first and you will gain everything you need in your life.Violet , maddy <maddy7_maddy7> wrote:> Jai Shree Mataji> Has any body experienced any supernatural power. Like in the earlier days the rishis (saints) had . Like seeing distance things, and using elements like fire and water with hands. > What r the different stages in meditation, like the dead

state etc.> > Thanks> > > > > >

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

May 31, 2005

hi

how oriented all this powers and vibrations when you get it?

if not use it coorectely also that is a mistake?yuva yuva <yuva_live a écrit :

hello violet,

i just read that letter from you to maddy about meditation. its a very good letter for the beginners. keep up the good work. thanks for your letter.

anand.maddy <maddy7_maddy7 wrote:

Thanks Violet

Actually I knew all these things but was confussed, NOW THE CONFUSSION IS GONE. Thanks for all the words you wrote here.

Can you please tell me about the growth in meditation , like the different stages as talked by mother about the nirvikalpa state etc.

Bye

violet_tubb <vtubb wrote:

Dear Maddy, In the Bible you will read "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you."First of all, the greatest power, is the power of love, did you know that? "If i speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, i have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if i have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge and if i have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, i am nothing. Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices with the truth: bears all things, believes all things, hopes all

things, endures all things.(1 Corinthians 13:1-7)The power of love is the greatest power of all. Through the power of love, Jesus healed the sick, the blind, the maim, etc. However, he did not consider these to be "supernatural" as you state. This was the "power of love" which flowed from him and was a very natural part of himself. Jesus was the greatest Rishi. He is a good example to use to compare others too. He never showed off his powers.In the same way yogis, who have their self-realization and are established, experience the flow of this love of God (called Paramchaitanya.) This power of love flows to oneself and others and can heal if the person so desires. This happens through the flow of the Kundalini, the Divine Mother, which does all the work. We do nothing; the Divine does everything. The power of the collective has seen many miracles, individually and collectively. Read about some amazing experiences of

yogis in the forum of Her Love Reflected (Forum for personal accounts of people who have met Shri Mataji.)Again, these miracles happen as a natural outpouring of the Kundalini or Holy Spirit in people's lives.A "connected" person does not seem himself as separate from the Spirit. When connected to the Spirit, you are in the Kingdom of God and as such, connected to the All-Pervading Power and miracles do happen in every day life. The Kundalini, your Spiritual Mother resides within when you are connected and guides you, gives you inner knowledge. She is the Comforter and teaches you things of your Spirit that you need to know.So Maddy, do not seek "distance viewing" or some outward phenomena with fire and water. They are illusionary. They are not what you want to seek. You want to seek the Divine or God within. To seek anything from the outside is a Maya or illusion and will not lead you to your

Spirit.However, when a person is connected, the nature works with them. They are deities that work to cleanse us. So we use the elements of earth, air, fire, water and ether to clear ourselves. These elements also are working with us because we have our connection and the elements are a part of the All-Pervading Power of God.For example, we find before a puja, which is a spiritual ceremony, that the deities always cause it to rain the day or two before to clear the atmosphere of negative vibrations. This always happens because they are wanting to give spiritual vibrations to the whole world and help us. This happens unfailingly because they are working with us. It is not a coincidence.We also find that when we meditate, we have this wind that comes around us, encircles us and vibrates us. It is the power of the Paramchaitanya (Hindu), the Holy Spirit (Christianity), the Ruh (Islamic), the Maitreya (Buddhists),

the Eykaa Mayee (Sikhs). It was the wind on the Day of Pentecost whereby the disciples of Jesus were the first to experience it.We find that when we meditate, the fire burns away our subtle negativities in much the same way that fire can burn material rubbish; it also burns "subtle" negativity and you will see this when the flame flickers and burns something up as you meditate in front of it. These powers of nature work for us lovingly when we are connected to the Divine but we do not consider it to be supernatural; it is a very loving natural state of connection where all the nature and oneself is in harmony.Rishis who are using fire in "strange" ways are showing off and trying to get devotees that way. They are not kosher. If you can take Jesus for an example; he would never do anything like that and show off. True spirit-filled rishis do not have a need to show off and will not do it because it will give the

wrong idea to people and attract them for the wrong reason. That does not mean that they could not do anything, but they would not. It is not the way of love to cause sensationalism, let alone common sense. These are charlatans; people who Jesus would call "wolves in sheep's clothing." They pretend to be the real thing and they are not. True incarnations, prophets, and teachers do not show off their powers for sensationalism. They, rather use their powers of love for benevolence. When any powers are seen, they are a natural outpouring of a spiritual need. There has to be balance in all things. Any true rishis sought the Kingdom of God first and taught that, rather than showing off any powers. These "so-called rishis" who use superconscious and subconscious powers to show off and attract devotees and these devotees end up giving themselves and every penny they earn to these charlatans. i can tell you any such rishis

are not true rishis.Dear Maddy, i urge you to forget about all these "suspect" outward signs that will lead to disappointment and enslavement and go within and seek your Spirit which will liberate and lead you to the Kingdom of God and the middle path of your Sushumna Nadi, which keeps you in the present. Please do not seek for these outward signs or so-called supernatural powers; they will surely lead you away from the present and from balance.Rather, seek the Kingdom of God first and you will gain everything you need in your life.Violet , maddy <maddy7_maddy7> wrote:> Jai Shree Mataji> Has any body experienced any supernatural power. Like in the earlier days the rishis (saints) had . Like seeing distance things, and using elements like fire and water with hands. > What r the different stages in meditation, like the dead

state etc.> > Thanks> > > > > >

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Dear Christian,

i may have sent too short a reply. i realize that you may want more

content.

When a person operates from the mind of basis of " love " and we are

excluding any " feigned love " here...we are talking about the true

basis of " operating from a loving mindset " which is that of being

the Spirit...then whatever you say...even if you do not use the

correct words...people will not be offended, because they will

realize that the message was given from the highest place in

yourself.

Vibrations are a natural outpouring of that love. They are not

separate from the real you; if a person has not become their Spirit

yet...then that is a different matter.

It requires complete surrender to the Divine to operate from

Love...because God is Love...therefore if you surrender to God

completely...the flow from your Self to others...will be always

loving.

These vibrations which are loving can be so, because the person does

not operate from the " mind " which is at the Agnya Chakra level but

operates from the Sahasrara, which is at the Kingdom of

God...literally the Kingdom of God within you.

Therefore, when you are surrendered and your being is there, you do

not really make major mistakes...and if you make minor ones...well

you just surrender them.

However, a person really needs to have a depth and grow every day

and this is done through meditation and instrospection.

If you have a look at Shri Adi Shakti Forum Index, you will find a

lot of knowledge about everything related to this subject.

I suggest you read some of the things...especially what Shri Mataji

Herself has said on these matters. Everything has been laid out on

this Forum for easy recognition and access of different topics.

I hope this helps,

Kind regards,

Violet

, Christian Hugues

Raymond Dona <christianakplogan> wrote:

> hi

> how oriented all this powers and vibrations when you get it?

> if not use it coorectely also that is a mistake?

>

> yuva yuva <yuva_live> a écrit :

> hello violet,

> i just read that letter from you to maddy about meditation. its a

very good letter for the beginners. keep up the good work. thanks

for your letter.

> anand.

>

> maddy <maddy7_maddy7> wrote:

> Thanks Violet

> Actually I knew all these things but was confussed, NOW THE

CONFUSSION IS GONE. Thanks for all the words you wrote here.

> Can you please tell me about the growth in meditation , like the

different stages as talked by mother about the nirvikalpa state etc.

>

> Bye

>

> violet_tubb <vtubb@b...> wrote:

> Dear Maddy,

>

> In the Bible you will read " Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and

his

> righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. "

>

> First of all, the greatest power, is the power of love, did you

know

> that?

>

> " If i speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have

> love, i have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if i

have

> the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge and

if

> i have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love,

i

> am nothing. Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love

> does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it

> does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account

a

> wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices

> with the truth: bears all things, believes all things, hopes all

> things, endures all things.(1 Corinthians 13:1-7)

>

> The power of love is the greatest power of all. Through the power

of

> love, Jesus healed the sick, the blind, the maim, etc. However, he

> did not consider these to be " supernatural " as you state. This was

> the " power of love " which flowed from him and was a very natural

> part of himself. Jesus was the greatest Rishi. He is a good

example

> to use to compare others too. He never showed off his powers.

>

> In the same way yogis, who have their self-realization and are

> established, experience the flow of this love of God (called

> Paramchaitanya.) This power of love flows to oneself and others

and

> can heal if the person so desires. This happens through the flow

of

> the Kundalini, the Divine Mother, which does all the work. We do

> nothing; the Divine does everything. The power of the collective

has

> seen many miracles, individually and collectively. Read about some

> amazing experiences of yogis in the forum of Her Love Reflected

> (Forum for personal accounts of people who have met Shri Mataji.)

> Again, these miracles happen as a natural outpouring of the

> Kundalini or Holy Spirit in people's lives.

>

> A " connected " person does not seem himself as separate from the

> Spirit. When connected to the Spirit, you are in the Kingdom of

God

> and as such, connected to the All-Pervading Power and miracles do

> happen in every day life. The Kundalini, your Spiritual Mother

> resides within when you are connected and guides you, gives you

> inner knowledge. She is the Comforter and teaches you things of

your

> Spirit that you need to know.

>

> So Maddy, do not seek " distance viewing " or some outward phenomena

> with fire and water. They are illusionary. They are not what you

> want to seek. You want to seek the Divine or God within. To seek

> anything from the outside is a Maya or illusion and will not lead

> you to your Spirit.

>

> However, when a person is connected, the nature works with them.

> They are deities that work to cleanse us. So we use the elements

of

> earth, air, fire, water and ether to clear ourselves. These

elements

> also are working with us because we have our connection and the

> elements are a part of the All-Pervading Power of God.

>

> For example, we find before a puja, which is a spiritual ceremony,

> that the deities always cause it to rain the day or two before to

> clear the atmosphere of negative vibrations. This always happens

> because they are wanting to give spiritual vibrations to the whole

> world and help us. This happens unfailingly because they are

working

> with us. It is not a coincidence.

>

> We also find that when we meditate, we have this wind that comes

> around us, encircles us and vibrates us. It is the power of the

> Paramchaitanya (Hindu), the Holy Spirit (Christianity), the Ruh

> (Islamic), the Maitreya (Buddhists), the Eykaa Mayee (Sikhs). It

was

> the wind on the Day of Pentecost whereby the disciples of Jesus

were

> the first to experience it.

>

> We find that when we meditate, the fire burns away our subtle

> negativities in much the same way that fire can burn material

> rubbish; it also burns " subtle " negativity and you will see this

> when the flame flickers and burns something up as you meditate in

> front of it. These powers of nature work for us lovingly when we

are

> connected to the Divine but we do not consider it to be

> supernatural; it is a very loving natural state of connection

where

> all the nature and oneself is in harmony.

>

> Rishis who are using fire in " strange " ways are showing off and

> trying to get devotees that way. They are not kosher. If you can

> take Jesus for an example; he would never do anything like that

and

> show off. True spirit-filled rishis do not have a need to show off

> and will not do it because it will give the wrong idea to people

and

> attract them for the wrong reason. That does not mean that they

> could not do anything, but they would not. It is not the way of

love

> to cause sensationalism, let alone common sense. These are

> charlatans; people who Jesus would call " wolves in sheep's

> clothing. " They pretend to be the real thing and they are not.

>

> True incarnations, prophets, and teachers do not show off their

> powers for sensationalism. They, rather use their powers of love

for

> benevolence. When any powers are seen, they are a natural

outpouring

> of a spiritual need. There has to be balance in all things. Any

true

> rishis sought the Kingdom of God first and taught that, rather

than

> showing off any powers.

>

> These " so-called rishis " who use superconscious and subconscious

> powers to show off and attract devotees and these devotees end up

> giving themselves and every penny they earn to these charlatans. i

> can tell you any such rishis are not true rishis.

>

> Dear Maddy, i urge you to forget about all these " suspect " outward

> signs that will lead to disappointment and enslavement and go

within

> and seek your Spirit which will liberate and lead you to the

Kingdom

> of God and the middle path of your Sushumna Nadi, which keeps you

in

> the present. Please do not seek for these outward signs or so-

called

> supernatural powers; they will surely lead you away from the

present

> and from balance.

>

> Rather, seek the Kingdom of God first and you will gain everything

> you need in your life.

>

> Violet

>

> , maddy

> <maddy7_maddy7> wrote:

> > Jai Shree Mataji

> > Has any body experienced any supernatural power. Like in the

> earlier days the rishis (saints) had . Like seeing distance

things,

> and using elements like fire and water with hands.

> > What r the different stages in meditation, like the dead state

> etc.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>

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Dear Christian,

The powers and vibrations are all oriented from love...when that is the case they cannot be misused as you are the Spirit. You cannot do wrong when you are surrendered as it is not you that acts..."I do nothing...the Divine does everything."

Warmest regards,

Violet

-

Christian Hugues Raymond Dona

Tuesday, May 31, 2005 5:36 AM

Re: Re: supernatural powers

hi

how oriented all this powers and vibrations when you get it?

if not use it coorectely also that is a mistake?yuva yuva <yuva_live a écrit :

hello violet,

i just read that letter from you to maddy about meditation. its a very good letter for the beginners. keep up the good work. thanks for your letter.

anand.maddy <maddy7_maddy7 wrote:

Thanks Violet

Actually I knew all these things but was confussed, NOW THE CONFUSSION IS GONE. Thanks for all the words you wrote here.

Can you please tell me about the growth in meditation , like the different stages as talked by mother about the nirvikalpa state etc.

Bye

violet_tubb <vtubb wrote:

Dear Maddy, In the Bible you will read "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you."First of all, the greatest power, is the power of love, did you know that? "If i speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, i have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if i have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge and if i have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, i am nothing. Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices with the truth: bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.(1 Corinthians 13:1-7)The power of love is the greatest power of all. Through the power of love, Jesus healed the sick, the blind, the maim, etc. However, he did not consider these to be "supernatural" as you state. This was the "power of love" which flowed from him and was a very natural part of himself. Jesus was the greatest Rishi. He is a good example to use to compare others too. He never showed off his powers.In the same way yogis, who have their self-realization and are established, experience the flow of this love of God (called Paramchaitanya.) This power of love flows to oneself and others and can heal if the person so desires. This happens through the flow of the Kundalini, the Divine Mother, which does all the work. We do nothing; the Divine does everything. The power of the collective has seen many miracles, individually and collectively. Read about some amazing experiences of yogis in the forum of Her Love Reflected (Forum for personal accounts of people who have met Shri Mataji.)Again, these miracles happen as a natural outpouring of the Kundalini or Holy Spirit in people's lives.A "connected" person does not seem himself as separate from the Spirit. When connected to the Spirit, you are in the Kingdom of God and as such, connected to the All-Pervading Power and miracles do happen in every day life. The Kundalini, your Spiritual Mother resides within when you are connected and guides you, gives you inner knowledge. She is the Comforter and teaches you things of your Spirit that you need to know.So Maddy, do not seek "distance viewing" or some outward phenomena with fire and water. They are illusionary. They are not what you want to seek. You want to seek the Divine or God within. To seek anything from the outside is a Maya or illusion and will not lead you to your Spirit.However, when a person is connected, the nature works with them. They are deities that work to cleanse us. So we use the elements of earth, air, fire, water and ether to clear ourselves. These elements also are working with us because we have our connection and the elements are a part of the All-Pervading Power of God.For example, we find before a puja, which is a spiritual ceremony, that the deities always cause it to rain the day or two before to clear the atmosphere of negative vibrations. This always happens because they are wanting to give spiritual vibrations to the whole world and help us. This happens unfailingly because they are working with us. It is not a coincidence.We also find that when we meditate, we have this wind that comes around us, encircles us and vibrates us. It is the power of the Paramchaitanya (Hindu), the Holy Spirit (Christianity), the Ruh (Islamic), the Maitreya (Buddhists), the Eykaa Mayee (Sikhs). It was the wind on the Day of Pentecost whereby the disciples of Jesus were the first to experience it.We find that when we meditate, the fire burns away our subtle negativities in much the same way that fire can burn material rubbish; it also burns "subtle" negativity and you will see this when the flame flickers and burns something up as you meditate in front of it. These powers of nature work for us lovingly when we are connected to the Divine but we do not consider it to be supernatural; it is a very loving natural state of connection where all the nature and oneself is in harmony.Rishis who are using fire in "strange" ways are showing off and trying to get devotees that way. They are not kosher. If you can take Jesus for an example; he would never do anything like that and show off. True spirit-filled rishis do not have a need to show off and will not do it because it will give the wrong idea to people and attract them for the wrong reason. That does not mean that they could not do anything, but they would not. It is not the way of love to cause sensationalism, let alone common sense. These are charlatans; people who Jesus would call "wolves in sheep's clothing." They pretend to be the real thing and they are not. True incarnations, prophets, and teachers do not show off their powers for sensationalism. They, rather use their powers of love for benevolence. When any powers are seen, they are a natural outpouring of a spiritual need. There has to be balance in all things. Any true rishis sought the Kingdom of God first and taught that, rather than showing off any powers. These "so-called rishis" who use superconscious and subconscious powers to show off and attract devotees and these devotees end up giving themselves and every penny they earn to these charlatans. i can tell you any such rishis are not true rishis.Dear Maddy, i urge you to forget about all these "suspect" outward signs that will lead to disappointment and enslavement and go within and seek your Spirit which will liberate and lead you to the Kingdom of God and the middle path of your Sushumna Nadi, which keeps you in the present. Please do not seek for these outward signs or so-called supernatural powers; they will surely lead you away from the present and from balance.Rather, seek the Kingdom of God first and you will gain everything you need in your life.Violet , maddy <maddy7_maddy7> wrote:> Jai Shree Mataji> Has any body experienced any supernatural power. Like in the earlier days the rishis (saints) had . Like seeing distance things, and using elements like fire and water with hands. > What r the different stages in meditation, like the dead state etc.> > Thanks> > > > > >

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Dear Anand,

You are most welcome

Warm regards,

Violet

-

yuva yuva

Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:31 AM

Re: Re: supernatural powers

hello violet,

i just read that letter from you to maddy about meditation. its a very good letter for the beginners. keep up the good work. thanks for your letter.

anand.maddy <maddy7_maddy7 wrote:

Thanks Violet

Actually I knew all these things but was confussed, NOW THE CONFUSSION IS GONE. Thanks for all the words you wrote here.

Can you please tell me about the growth in meditation , like the different stages as talked by mother about the nirvikalpa state etc.

Bye

violet_tubb <vtubb wrote:

Dear Maddy, In the Bible you will read "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you."First of all, the greatest power, is the power of love, did you know that? "If i speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, i have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if i have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge and if i have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, i am nothing. Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices with the truth: bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.(1 Corinthians 13:1-7)The power of love is the greatest power of all. Through the power of love, Jesus healed the sick, the blind, the maim, etc. However, he did not consider these to be "supernatural" as you state. This was the "power of love" which flowed from him and was a very natural part of himself. Jesus was the greatest Rishi. He is a good example to use to compare others too. He never showed off his powers.In the same way yogis, who have their self-realization and are established, experience the flow of this love of God (called Paramchaitanya.) This power of love flows to oneself and others and can heal if the person so desires. This happens through the flow of the Kundalini, the Divine Mother, which does all the work. We do nothing; the Divine does everything. The power of the collective has seen many miracles, individually and collectively. Read about some amazing experiences of yogis in the forum of Her Love Reflected (Forum for personal accounts of people who have met Shri Mataji.)Again, these miracles happen as a natural outpouring of the Kundalini or Holy Spirit in people's lives.A "connected" person does not seem himself as separate from the Spirit. When connected to the Spirit, you are in the Kingdom of God and as such, connected to the All-Pervading Power and miracles do happen in every day life. The Kundalini, your Spiritual Mother resides within when you are connected and guides you, gives you inner knowledge. She is the Comforter and teaches you things of your Spirit that you need to know.So Maddy, do not seek "distance viewing" or some outward phenomena with fire and water. They are illusionary. They are not what you want to seek. You want to seek the Divine or God within. To seek anything from the outside is a Maya or illusion and will not lead you to your Spirit.However, when a person is connected, the nature works with them. They are deities that work to cleanse us. So we use the elements of earth, air, fire, water and ether to clear ourselves. These elements also are working with us because we have our connection and the elements are a part of the All-Pervading Power of God.For example, we find before a puja, which is a spiritual ceremony, that the deities always cause it to rain the day or two before to clear the atmosphere of negative vibrations. This always happens because they are wanting to give spiritual vibrations to the whole world and help us. This happens unfailingly because they are working with us. It is not a coincidence.We also find that when we meditate, we have this wind that comes around us, encircles us and vibrates us. It is the power of the Paramchaitanya (Hindu), the Holy Spirit (Christianity), the Ruh (Islamic), the Maitreya (Buddhists), the Eykaa Mayee (Sikhs). It was the wind on the Day of Pentecost whereby the disciples of Jesus were the first to experience it.We find that when we meditate, the fire burns away our subtle negativities in much the same way that fire can burn material rubbish; it also burns "subtle" negativity and you will see this when the flame flickers and burns something up as you meditate in front of it. These powers of nature work for us lovingly when we are connected to the Divine but we do not consider it to be supernatural; it is a very loving natural state of connection where all the nature and oneself is in harmony.Rishis who are using fire in "strange" ways are showing off and trying to get devotees that way. They are not kosher. If you can take Jesus for an example; he would never do anything like that and show off. True spirit-filled rishis do not have a need to show off and will not do it because it will give the wrong idea to people and attract them for the wrong reason. That does not mean that they could not do anything, but they would not. It is not the way of love to cause sensationalism, let alone common sense. These are charlatans; people who Jesus would call "wolves in sheep's clothing." They pretend to be the real thing and they are not. True incarnations, prophets, and teachers do not show off their powers for sensationalism. They, rather use their powers of love for benevolence. When any powers are seen, they are a natural outpouring of a spiritual need. There has to be balance in all things. Any true rishis sought the Kingdom of God first and taught that, rather than showing off any powers. These "so-called rishis" who use superconscious and subconscious powers to show off and attract devotees and these devotees end up giving themselves and every penny they earn to these charlatans. i can tell you any such rishis are not true rishis.Dear Maddy, i urge you to forget about all these "suspect" outward signs that will lead to disappointment and enslavement and go within and seek your Spirit which will liberate and lead you to the Kingdom of God and the middle path of your Sushumna Nadi, which keeps you in the present. Please do not seek for these outward signs or so-called supernatural powers; they will surely lead you away from the present and from balance.Rather, seek the Kingdom of God first and you will gain everything you need in your life.Violet , maddy <maddy7_maddy7> wrote:> Jai Shree Mataji> Has any body experienced any supernatural power. Like in the earlier days the rishis (saints) had . Like seeing distance things, and using elements like fire and water with hands. > What r the different stages in meditation, like the dead state etc.> > Thanks> > > > > >

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hello violet,

i am facing some problems with surrendering. i dont know the reason why? i could never surrender myself fully. please can you guide me on this.thanks for your time.

regards

anand.Violet Tubb <vtubb wrote:

Dear Anand,

You are most welcome

Warm regards,

Violet

-

yuva yuva

Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:31 AM

Re: Re: supernatural powers

hello violet,

i just read that letter from you to maddy about meditation. its a very good letter for the beginners. keep up the good work. thanks for your letter.

anand.maddy <maddy7_maddy7 wrote:

Thanks Violet

Actually I knew all these things but was confussed, NOW THE CONFUSSION IS GONE. Thanks for all the words you wrote here.

Can you please tell me about the growth in meditation , like the different stages as talked by mother about the nirvikalpa state etc.

Bye

violet_tubb <vtubb wrote:

Dear Maddy, In the Bible you will read "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you."First of all, the greatest power, is the power of love, did you know that? "If i speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, i have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if i have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge and if i have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, i am nothing. Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices with the truth: bears all things, believes all things, hopes all

things, endures all things.(1 Corinthians 13:1-7)The power of love is the greatest power of all. Through the power of love, Jesus healed the sick, the blind, the maim, etc. However, he did not consider these to be "supernatural" as you state. This was the "power of love" which flowed from him and was a very natural part of himself. Jesus was the greatest Rishi. He is a good example to use to compare others too. He never showed off his powers.In the same way yogis, who have their self-realization and are established, experience the flow of this love of God (called Paramchaitanya.) This power of love flows to oneself and others and can heal if the person so desires. This happens through the flow of the Kundalini, the Divine Mother, which does all the work. We do nothing; the Divine does everything. The power of the collective has seen many miracles, individually and collectively. Read about some amazing experiences of

yogis in the forum of Her Love Reflected (Forum for personal accounts of people who have met Shri Mataji.)Again, these miracles happen as a natural outpouring of the Kundalini or Holy Spirit in people's lives.A "connected" person does not seem himself as separate from the Spirit. When connected to the Spirit, you are in the Kingdom of God and as such, connected to the All-Pervading Power and miracles do happen in every day life. The Kundalini, your Spiritual Mother resides within when you are connected and guides you, gives you inner knowledge. She is the Comforter and teaches you things of your Spirit that you need to know.So Maddy, do not seek "distance viewing" or some outward phenomena with fire and water. They are illusionary. They are not what you want to seek. You want to seek the Divine or God within. To seek anything from the outside is a Maya or illusion and will not lead you to your

Spirit.However, when a person is connected, the nature works with them. They are deities that work to cleanse us. So we use the elements of earth, air, fire, water and ether to clear ourselves. These elements also are working with us because we have our connection and the elements are a part of the All-Pervading Power of God.For example, we find before a puja, which is a spiritual ceremony, that the deities always cause it to rain the day or two before to clear the atmosphere of negative vibrations. This always happens because they are wanting to give spiritual vibrations to the whole world and help us. This happens unfailingly because they are working with us. It is not a coincidence.We also find that when we meditate, we have this wind that comes around us, encircles us and vibrates us. It is the power of the Paramchaitanya (Hindu), the Holy Spirit (Christianity), the Ruh (Islamic), the Maitreya (Buddhists),

the Eykaa Mayee (Sikhs). It was the wind on the Day of Pentecost whereby the disciples of Jesus were the first to experience it.We find that when we meditate, the fire burns away our subtle negativities in much the same way that fire can burn material rubbish; it also burns "subtle" negativity and you will see this when the flame flickers and burns something up as you meditate in front of it. These powers of nature work for us lovingly when we are connected to the Divine but we do not consider it to be supernatural; it is a very loving natural state of connection where all the nature and oneself is in harmony.Rishis who are using fire in "strange" ways are showing off and trying to get devotees that way. They are not kosher. If you can take Jesus for an example; he would never do anything like that and show off. True spirit-filled rishis do not have a need to show off and will not do it because it will give the

wrong idea to people and attract them for the wrong reason. That does not mean that they could not do anything, but they would not. It is not the way of love to cause sensationalism, let alone common sense. These are charlatans; people who Jesus would call "wolves in sheep's clothing." They pretend to be the real thing and they are not. True incarnations, prophets, and teachers do not show off their powers for sensationalism. They, rather use their powers of love for benevolence. When any powers are seen, they are a natural outpouring of a spiritual need. There has to be balance in all things. Any true rishis sought the Kingdom of God first and taught that, rather than showing off any powers. These "so-called rishis" who use superconscious and subconscious powers to show off and attract devotees and these devotees end up giving themselves and every penny they earn to these charlatans. i can tell you any such rishis

are not true rishis.Dear Maddy, i urge you to forget about all these "suspect" outward signs that will lead to disappointment and enslavement and go within and seek your Spirit which will liberate and lead you to the Kingdom of God and the middle path of your Sushumna Nadi, which keeps you in the present. Please do not seek for these outward signs or so-called supernatural powers; they will surely lead you away from the present and from balance.Rather, seek the Kingdom of God first and you will gain everything you need in your life.Violet , maddy <maddy7_maddy7> wrote:> Jai Shree Mataji> Has any body experienced any supernatural power. Like in the earlier days the rishis (saints) had . Like seeing distance things, and using elements like fire and water with hands. > What r the different stages in meditation, like the dead

state etc.> > Thanks> > > > > >

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June 1, 2005

hi

you have to face divine works hardly, detachment also, serve the world and meet absolute goals or the goals you want to reach in the life.

Good luck.yuva yuva <yuva_live a écrit :

hello violet,

i am facing some problems with surrendering. i dont know the reason why? i could never surrender myself fully. please can you guide me on this.thanks for your time.

regards

anand.Violet Tubb <vtubb wrote:

Dear Anand,

You are most welcome

Warm regards,

Violet

-

yuva yuva

Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:31 AM

Re: Re: supernatural powers

hello violet,

i just read that letter from you to maddy about meditation. its a very good letter for the beginners. keep up the good work. thanks for your letter.

anand.maddy <maddy7_maddy7 wrote:

Thanks Violet

Actually I knew all these things but was confussed, NOW THE CONFUSSION IS GONE. Thanks for all the words you wrote here.

Can you please tell me about the growth in meditation , like the different stages as talked by mother about the nirvikalpa state etc.

Bye

violet_tubb <vtubb wrote:

Dear Maddy, In the Bible you will read "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you."First of all, the greatest power, is the power of love, did you know that? "If i speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, i have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if i have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge and if i have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, i am nothing. Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices with the truth: bears all things, believes all things, hopes all

things, endures all things.(1 Corinthians 13:1-7)The power of love is the greatest power of all. Through the power of love, Jesus healed the sick, the blind, the maim, etc. However, he did not consider these to be "supernatural" as you state. This was the "power of love" which flowed from him and was a very natural part of himself. Jesus was the greatest Rishi. He is a good example to use to compare others too. He never showed off his powers.In the same way yogis, who have their self-realization and are established, experience the flow of this love of God (called Paramchaitanya.) This power of love flows to oneself and others and can heal if the person so desires. This happens through the flow of the Kundalini, the Divine Mother, which does all the work. We do nothing; the Divine does everything. The power of the collective has seen many miracles, individually and collectively. Read about some amazing experiences of

yogis in the forum of Her Love Reflected (Forum for personal accounts of people who have met Shri Mataji.)Again, these miracles happen as a natural outpouring of the Kundalini or Holy Spirit in people's lives.A "connected" person does not seem himself as separate from the Spirit. When connected to the Spirit, you are in the Kingdom of God and as such, connected to the All-Pervading Power and miracles do happen in every day life. The Kundalini, your Spiritual Mother resides within when you are connected and guides you, gives you inner knowledge. She is the Comforter and teaches you things of your Spirit that you need to know.So Maddy, do not seek "distance viewing" or some outward phenomena with fire and water. They are illusionary. They are not what you want to seek. You want to seek the Divine or God within. To seek anything from the outside is a Maya or illusion and will not lead you to your

Spirit.However, when a person is connected, the nature works with them. They are deities that work to cleanse us. So we use the elements of earth, air, fire, water and ether to clear ourselves. These elements also are working with us because we have our connection and the elements are a part of the All-Pervading Power of God.For example, we find before a puja, which is a spiritual ceremony, that the deities always cause it to rain the day or two before to clear the atmosphere of negative vibrations. This always happens because they are wanting to give spiritual vibrations to the whole world and help us. This happens unfailingly because they are working with us. It is not a coincidence.We also find that when we meditate, we have this wind that comes around us, encircles us and vibrates us. It is the power of the Paramchaitanya (Hindu), the Holy Spirit (Christianity), the Ruh (Islamic), the Maitreya (Buddhists),

the Eykaa Mayee (Sikhs). It was the wind on the Day of Pentecost whereby the disciples of Jesus were the first to experience it.We find that when we meditate, the fire burns away our subtle negativities in much the same way that fire can burn material rubbish; it also burns "subtle" negativity and you will see this when the flame flickers and burns something up as you meditate in front of it. These powers of nature work for us lovingly when we are connected to the Divine but we do not consider it to be supernatural; it is a very loving natural state of connection where all the nature and oneself is in harmony.Rishis who are using fire in "strange" ways are showing off and trying to get devotees that way. They are not kosher. If you can take Jesus for an example; he would never do anything like that and show off. True spirit-filled rishis do not have a need to show off and will not do it because it will give the

wrong idea to people and attract them for the wrong reason. That does not mean that they could not do anything, but they would not. It is not the way of love to cause sensationalism, let alone common sense. These are charlatans; people who Jesus would call "wolves in sheep's clothing." They pretend to be the real thing and they are not. True incarnations, prophets, and teachers do not show off their powers for sensationalism. They, rather use their powers of love for benevolence. When any powers are seen, they are a natural outpouring of a spiritual need. There has to be balance in all things. Any true rishis sought the Kingdom of God first and taught that, rather than showing off any powers. These "so-called rishis" who use superconscious and subconscious powers to show off and attract devotees and these devotees end up giving themselves and every penny they earn to these charlatans. i can tell you any such rishis

are not true rishis.Dear Maddy, i urge you to forget about all these "suspect" outward signs that will lead to disappointment and enslavement and go within and seek your Spirit which will liberate and lead you to the Kingdom of God and the middle path of your Sushumna Nadi, which keeps you in the present. Please do not seek for these outward signs or so-called supernatural powers; they will surely lead you away from the present and from balance.Rather, seek the Kingdom of God first and you will gain everything you need in your life.Violet , maddy <maddy7_maddy7> wrote:> Jai Shree Mataji> Has any body experienced any supernatural power. Like in the earlier days the rishis (saints) had . Like seeing distance things, and using elements like fire and water with hands. > What r the different stages in meditation, like the dead

state etc.> > Thanks> > > > > >

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Dear Anand,

Would you please log in to the new website and Jagbir's

Message " 4017 " explains how to do that. i am happy to answer your

question there.

You can put your question or discussion into the Forum entitled...

" SAHAJ GLOBAL CHAT " - (Forum for yogis and non-yogis from different

parts of the world to communicate with each other... to strengthen

the bonds of collectivity and to welcome all the seekers of truth).

As i am putting all my work into this new format where there is also

a lot of information for you on various topics which you can study,

it is much easier to get your questions there.

Similarly to here...the forum " Sahaj Global Chat " is open to the

public and you are most welcome Anand... to ask any question or have

a discussion there.

Warm Regards,

Violet

, yuva yuva

<yuva_live> wrote:

> hello violet,

> i am facing some problems with surrendering. i dont know the

reason why? i could never surrender myself fully. please can you

guide me on this.thanks for your time.

> regards

> anand.

>

> Violet Tubb <vtubb@b...> wrote:

> Dear Anand,

>

> You are most welcome

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Violet

> -

> yuva yuva

>

> Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:31 AM

> Re: Re: supernatural powers

>

> hello violet,

> i just read that letter from you to maddy about meditation. its a

very good letter for the beginners. keep up the good work. thanks

for your letter.

> anand.

>

> maddy <maddy7_maddy7> wrote:

> Thanks Violet

> Actually I knew all these things but was confussed, NOW THE

CONFUSSION IS GONE. Thanks for all the words you wrote here.

> Can you please tell me about the growth in meditation , like the

different stages as talked by mother about the nirvikalpa state etc.

>

> Bye

>

> violet_tubb <vtubb@b...> wrote:

> Dear Maddy,

>

> In the Bible you will read " Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and

his

> righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. "

>

> First of all, the greatest power, is the power of love, did you

know

> that?

>

> " If i speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have

> love, i have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if i

have

> the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge and

if

> i have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love,

i

> am nothing. Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love

> does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it

> does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account

a

> wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices

> with the truth: bears all things, believes all things, hopes all

> things, endures all things.(1 Corinthians 13:1-7)

>

> The power of love is the greatest power of all. Through the power

of

> love, Jesus healed the sick, the blind, the maim, etc. However, he

> did not consider these to be " supernatural " as you state. This was

> the " power of love " which flowed from him and was a very natural

> part of himself. Jesus was the greatest Rishi. He is a good

example

> to use to compare others too. He never showed off his powers.

>

> In the same way yogis, who have their self-realization and are

> established, experience the flow of this love of God (called

> Paramchaitanya.) This power of love flows to oneself and others

and

> can heal if the person so desires. This happens through the flow

of

> the Kundalini, the Divine Mother, which does all the work. We do

> nothing; the Divine does everything. The power of the collective

has

> seen many miracles, individually and collectively. Read about some

> amazing experiences of yogis in the forum of Her Love Reflected

> (Forum for personal accounts of people who have met Shri Mataji.)

> Again, these miracles happen as a natural outpouring of the

> Kundalini or Holy Spirit in people's lives.

>

> A " connected " person does not seem himself as separate from the

> Spirit. When connected to the Spirit, you are in the Kingdom of

God

> and as such, connected to the All-Pervading Power and miracles do

> happen in every day life. The Kundalini, your Spiritual Mother

> resides within when you are connected and guides you, gives you

> inner knowledge. She is the Comforter and teaches you things of

your

> Spirit that you need to know.

>

> So Maddy, do not seek " distance viewing " or some outward phenomena

> with fire and water. They are illusionary. They are not what you

> want to seek. You want to seek the Divine or God within. To seek

> anything from the outside is a Maya or illusion and will not lead

> you to your Spirit.

>

> However, when a person is connected, the nature works with them.

> They are deities that work to cleanse us. So we use the elements

of

> earth, air, fire, water and ether to clear ourselves. These

elements

> also are working with us because we have our connection and the

> elements are a part of the All-Pervading Power of God.

>

> For example, we find before a puja, which is a spiritual ceremony,

> that the deities always cause it to rain the day or two before to

> clear the atmosphere of negative vibrations. This always happens

> because they are wanting to give spiritual vibrations to the whole

> world and help us. This happens unfailingly because they are

working

> with us. It is not a coincidence.

>

> We also find that when we meditate, we have this wind that comes

> around us, encircles us and vibrates us. It is the power of the

> Paramchaitanya (Hindu), the Holy Spirit (Christianity), the Ruh

> (Islamic), the Maitreya (Buddhists), the Eykaa Mayee (Sikhs). It

was

> the wind on the Day of Pentecost whereby the disciples of Jesus

were

> the first to experience it.

>

> We find that when we meditate, the fire burns away our subtle

> negativities in much the same way that fire can burn material

> rubbish; it also burns " subtle " negativity and you will see this

> when the flame flickers and burns something up as you meditate in

> front of it. These powers of nature work for us lovingly when we

are

> connected to the Divine but we do not consider it to be

> supernatural; it is a very loving natural state of connection

where

> all the nature and oneself is in harmony.

>

> Rishis who are using fire in " strange " ways are showing off and

> trying to get devotees that way. They are not kosher. If you can

> take Jesus for an example; he would never do anything like that

and

> show off. True spirit-filled rishis do not have a need to show off

> and will not do it because it will give the wrong idea to people

and

> attract them for the wrong reason. That does not mean that they

> could not do anything, but they would not. It is not the way of

love

> to cause sensationalism, let alone common sense. These are

> charlatans; people who Jesus would call " wolves in sheep's

> clothing. " They pretend to be the real thing and they are not.

>

> True incarnations, prophets, and teachers do not show off their

> powers for sensationalism. They, rather use their powers of love

for

> benevolence. When any powers are seen, they are a natural

outpouring

> of a spiritual need. There has to be balance in all things. Any

true

> rishis sought the Kingdom of God first and taught that, rather

than

> showing off any powers.

>

> These " so-called rishis " who use superconscious and subconscious

> powers to show off and attract devotees and these devotees end up

> giving themselves and every penny they earn to these charlatans. i

> can tell you any such rishis are not true rishis.

>

> Dear Maddy, i urge you to forget about all these " suspect " outward

> signs that will lead to disappointment and enslavement and go

within

> and seek your Spirit which will liberate and lead you to the

Kingdom

> of God and the middle path of your Sushumna Nadi, which keeps you

in

> the present. Please do not seek for these outward signs or so-

called

> supernatural powers; they will surely lead you away from the

present

> and from balance.

>

> Rather, seek the Kingdom of God first and you will gain everything

> you need in your life.

>

> Violet

>

> , maddy

> <maddy7_maddy7> wrote:

> > Jai Shree Mataji

> > Has any body experienced any supernatural power. Like in the

> earlier days the rishis (saints) had . Like seeing distance

things,

> and using elements like fire and water with hands.

> > What r the different stages in meditation, like the dead state

> etc.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>

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