Re:dire consequences of lust ( Rasa) and split personalities

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Dear Semira,

 

You are absolutely correct in your observations about sex and lust.

Shri Mataji is of the same opinion i.e., sex is normal and must not

be suppressed.

 

i just want to add an observation. Rasa is a split personality

consisitng of Rasa and Mother Mary. They are one and the same. Rasa

thinks Mother Mary is talking to her but that is her own split

personality. Such a person really needs help to heal the mind. You

should have gone to Rasa's website to understand her obsession with

nudity ................. and she wants to be a celibate!!?? This

is one sick individual who really needs medical treatment.

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

, " semirafields "

<semirafields> wrote:

>

> Dear Rasa,

> I'd like to make some comments on your post.

> The Sixth commandment is:You must not commit adultery.

> The Tenth commandment is:You must not be envious of your

neighbour's

> house, or want to sleep with his wife, or want to own his slaves,

> oxen,donkeys, or anything else he has.

> 'The Living Bible' Paraphrased

> Lust is a separate issue from sex in a marriage, lust is defined

> as 'a strong desire to possess; sinful, impure desire;the lusts of

> the flesh;ie bodily desires, hunger, sex appetite, etc 'Oxford

> dictionary.' When talking about lust, we therefore mean the lack

of

> control of normal human desires, an excess and loss of control of

> desire.

> It is significant that Mother Mary IS a Mother, she conceived

Jesus

> Her Son, and then lived a normal married life with Joseph.

> Matthew 1:18-25

> 18:These are the facts concerning the birth of Jesus Christ: His

> Mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But while she

was

> still a virgin, she became pregnant by the Holy Spirit.

> 19:Then Joseph, her fiance, being a man of stern principle,decided

> to break the engagement but to do it quietly, as he didn't want to

> publically disgrace her.

> 20:As he lay awake considering this, he fell into a dream, and saw

> an angel standing beside him. " Joseph, son of David, " the angel

> said, " Don't hesitate to take Mary as your wife! For the child

> within her has been conceived by the Holy Spirit.

> 21: And she will have a Son, and you shall name him Jesus, meaning

> Saviour, for He will save his people from their sins.

> 22:This will fulfill God's message through his prophets,-

> 23:'Listen! The virgin shall conceive a child! She shall give

birth

> to a Son, and he shall be called 'Emmanuel', meaning God is with

us.

> 24:When Joseph awoke, he did as the angel commanded, and brought

> Mary home to be his wife,

> 25:but she remained a virgin until her Son was born; and Joseph

> named him 'Jesus'.

>

> We can see from this above passage, that Mary is the Mother, and

> that she lived in matrimony, caring for the needs of her husband

and

> child. Nowhere is celibacy advocated; why should it be? Why should

> humans deny the sacred act that is the act of creation of life,

how

> can anyone say in all honesty that this is a defilement and

> something to be strictly avoided? Celibacy is a human concept,

> brought about by guilt and impure thoughts. It is these impure and

> unnatural thoughts about sex that have given rise to so much wrong-

> doing in the world; Female circumcision in middle Africa, the

> complete covering and shamefulness of the female body in Muslim

> countries, to the extreme permissiveness of sexual attitudes in

the

> West today, arising as a result and rebellion of the repression of

> the Puritan and Victorian attitudes.

> You are effectively saying that men and women must deny all their

> sexuality, in order to be spiritual. This is in contradiction of

> what has been written in all the Scriptures though, and is a

result

> of your Catholic conditioning. Yes, all desires need to be

> controlled, or else they control us. Sex is a natural, normal part

> of married life; a sharing and giving of intimacy. If one is at

> peace with one's sexuality, why would it disturb one's spiritual

> growth? However, if one approaches sex as something ugly, filthy,

to

> be hidden, hated and denied, it becomes as damaging and unresolved

> to the psyche as unconsidered and permissive sex indulged in for

> physical pleasure only. Please note that there is a high incidence

> of sexual abuse and trauma associated with movements advocating

> celibacy, claiming that sex is 'evil, unnecessary, an obstacle and

> impediment, a weakness, and other such things.' Both views are an

> imbalance, and suppression causes guilt and associated emotions

> which eat away at our inner selves, and disturb the Inner Peace.

> Best wishes, Semira

>

>

>

>

>

> The Dire Consequences of Lust submitted by RASA VON WERDER,

GURURASA

> WWW.WOMANTHOUARTGOD.COM

>

> The Angelic Doctor, St. Thomas Aquinas, said lust causes blindness

> of the mind. Thus came the joke about masturbation, " Dad, can I

just

> do it till I need glasses? " In this month of May, the month of

Mary

> and my 27th year of celibacy which She graced me with, and for the

> sake of a new friend, " Harvey Erickson, " I tackle lust once again.

>

> Why is lust so bad? Isn't sex a normal, natural urge, and isn't

> repressing what is natural going to cause grief? Is sex really a

> terrible sin, the sixth of the ten commandments, which will bring

> the wrath of God upon us unless experienced only as the Church

> prescribes? Where is the sanity here? Sex good - sex bad. There

are

> two sides to the argument. On one, only sex in marriage is good,

and

> then, the Holy Father added, you're not even supposed to have

lust.

> On the other side, there are swingers and hedonists who say if it

> feels good, do it. There is a righteous argument that the

> proscriptions against sex were made my men only to control women -

> hence the double standard.

>

> While it may be true that most of the brauha against sex is to

> control women, there is another esoteric argument, and that is the

> one we will mostly address here: Is sex in any way damaging to the

> pursuit of God? That is to say, does sex in any way obscure,

delay,

> circumvent or in any way mess up the path toward self realization?

> Can I still attain God and sainthood without being celibate? Can I

> reach the highest levels of Nirvana, Samadhi, Holiness and Bliss,

> while maintaining a sex life? When is it ok, when is it not ok, in

> the pursuit of ecstasy with God? Ah, there's the rub! That is what

> young souls straining for holiness are scratching their heads

about.

>

> When I began the pursuit of God with all my strength, it was

around

> 1967. I hadn't the foggiest idea if sex was a sin or not, but I

> feared it because of being Catholic. This is drummed into our

heads

> from the age of Catechism - for me six years old - that we mustn't

> have " dirty " thoughts. (I must't think this but I am...what of the

> kids who are being molested by Dads, Uncles, Grandpa's and sundry

> others, like priests? The 50% girls and 25% boys as statistics

show?

> How could they avoid dirty thoughts when being molested?) My dirty

> thoughts developed soon. You carry this all your life as a

Catholic,

> as it is solidly entrenched in your brain like a tatoo.

>

> Even though I have practiced celibacy for many years and have

> certainly pursued and attained God quite well, I still cannot

answer

> every question glibly. I can pose to you what I know and what I

> believe, and you draw your own conclusions. Now, not knowing if

sex

> was a sin or not, I decided the safest route was to avoid it and

end

> it if possible. Easier said than done. Around that time, I tried

to

> practice celibacy. Men disagreed with me. One in particular, who

was

> my " yoga guru " of sorts, insisted I do it with him or he would not

> teach it to me! There went celibacy. But it was a task, not a

> pleasure for those two years or so while " learning " yoga. I did

not

> learn yoga from him - but in his own con- man way, he got me

> started. I left him and continued the pursuit of yoga, which at

> times meant eight hours a day of exercises, which I invented

myself

> through books - whatever I could find. In those years I turned my

> back on Catholicism, which I'd one day get back to. To cut to the

> chase, it took me eleven years of trying - 1967 to 1978 - before

> Holy Mary appeared to me and suggested I take the vow. This meant

> that I was ready for the vow, ready to take it and keep it, or

else

> She would not have appeared to me. I thought about it for five

days

> and on that fateful day of May 27, 1978, I took the vow on my

knees

> to Her. She gave me the grace to keep it. In 1990 God spoke to me

> from within and said that if I wanted to quit celibacy, I could. I

> chose not to. For a while I thought about it but noticed that

> anxiety was on the rise. The sex hounds were gathering around me

as

> I pondered. I was getting more and more uncomfortable and decided

> that celibacy was something I wanted much more than involvement

with

> sex. And there I stayed. Even through my twelve-year engagement to

> Richard, and our two year marriage, we never had sex. And that

> suited him as well as myself, because he feared God.

>

> Now I will channel Holy Mary and will ask Her pertinent questions

> about sex, as She is my mentor in that department. I feel She will

> especially speak to me today as it is Mother's Day, May 8, 2005.

>

> Rasa: Mother, can a soul who seeks the highest union with God,

which

> in the east is called Enlightenment, and in the West Sainthood and

> Contemplation, continue a life of sex?

>

> MOTHER MARY: ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, THE SOUL WHICH

MAINTAINS

> ANY ATTACHMENTS TO THIS EARTH IN TERMS OF DESIRES WILL FIND IT

MORE

> AND MORE DIFFICULT TO ATTAIN NIRVANA.

>

> Rasa: OK. I hear you. When is it not impossible? In what case can

a

> soul still do sex and also attain highest union with God?

>

> MOTHER MARY: WHEN A SOUL IS HEADED FOR TOTAL AND PERFECT UNION

WITH

> GOD, SUCH AS YOU HAD IN LATE 1981 AND 1982, IT CEASES TO WANT

> ANYTHING ELSE BUT GOD. IN SUCH A CASE, SEX MAY BE FORCED ON THE

> PERSON EVEN THOUGH SHE OR HE DOESN'T WANT IT. FOR INSTANCE, IF ONE

> IS MARRIED OR SEX IS PART OF THEIR PROFESSION, OR SOMEONE FORCES

> THEM TO PERFORM AND THEY HAVE TO AGREE FOR SURVIVAL. THEN IT IS

NOT

> THE THING ONE WANTS OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL, AND IT IS A PENANCE,

NOT

> A PLEASURE. WHEN YOU COME THAT CLOSE TO GOD, ALL THE DESIRES OF

THE

> FLESH AND THE WORLD MUST CEASE AND THEY DO CEASE, OTHERWISE, THE

> VISION WILL NOT HAPPEN.

>

> Rasa: That seems pretty clear to me. In the final stages, the

> definition of Union With God or Perfect Oneness with God

> automatically removes, casts out and obliterates all desires not

of

> God. Is that correct?

>

> MOTHER MARY: That is correct. To attain this kind of Union is so

> difficult, such a miracle, that you could not do the one without

the

> other - you could not have the miracle without all other desires

> ceasing.

>

> Rasa: I think you have made it clear. Now what about the aftermath

> of the Vision of God? What happens to celibacy then? Many people

> begin to lose it as the Vision of God fades away. Celibacy is best

> practiced during times of strong grace and Light, but afterward,

> human nature sets in. What does one do with the body then?

>

> MOTHER MARY: You must always understand that you get closer to God

> all your life. The Absolute Vision of God as you saw in 1982 only

> increases. You will see more of God if you persist and insist on

> keeping Holy throughout your life. Your personal sanctity - which

is

> keeping yourself spotless and pure for the love of God - will draw

> you to higher and higher reaches of God. Your vision will go up

and

> down, increase and decrease, but always moving toward better,

> clearer, closer vision in the end. If you degenerate and give in

to

> the flesh, then that curtails the vision which continues. There is

> not one vision and it is over. You saw God face to face, but you

> intend to see God again and although you cannot imagine seeing any

> more, there is always more. I will prove this to you. Do you not

> know that there are many mansions and untold trillions of souls in

> Heaven? Each one is perfectly happy and each sees God face to

face.

> Yet each sees according to her/his merits, do they not? Therefore,

> that proves there is no final vision. One soul seeing God face to

> face sees one vision, but a higher soul sees more of God face to

> face, and so on. The next time you see God face to face you will

see

> more.

>

> Rasa: Mother, I think you are clearing up my understanding now. I

> had been thinking of Swamis and others who had Enlightenment, and

> then, they deteriorated into tantric sex. I was thinking sort of,

> what's the difference? They saw God and that was it? Why not have

a

> little fun?

>

> MOTHER MARY: THESE SWAMIS AND OTHERS PAY FOR THAT FUN. FIRST, THEY

> MUST BE CLEANSED IN PURGATORY. AND SECOND, THEIR ETERNAL REWARD

WILL

> NOT BE AS GREAT AS IF THEY RESTRAINED THEMSELVES.

>

> Rasa: Then restraint is important. Even when one has suffered all

> their life and repressed sex, they must continue to do so. They

> should not give in to temptation when they find they are in a

place

> of much availability. This will be marked against them. This is

sin,

> this is failing the great holiness they are called to. This is a

> failure of a great test. Is that correct?

>

> MOTHER MARY: YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE YOUR SADHANA AND DISCIPLINE ALL

> YOUR LIFE, NO MATTER HOW DIFFICULT. TO THINK YOU HAVE DONE IT ALL

> AND IT IS OK TO RELAX IS NOT RIGHT. HOLINESS EXACTS A GREAT PRICE.

> SEEING GOD ONCE, FACE TO FACE, OR IN THE VISION OF ENLIGHTENMENT,

IS

> ONLY THE BEGINNING. FOR PEOPLE TO THINK, LIKE ONE OF YOUR GURUS,

> THAT THAT IS IT AND NO MORE IS POSSIBLE, IS FOOLISH THOUGHT. EVER

> MORE AND MORE IS POSSIBLE AND PROBABLE, IF YOU WILL MAINTAIN YOUR

> SADHANA AND DISCIPLINE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. THOSE HOLY SOULS

> WHO FALL DOWN WILL PAY DEARLY FOR THEIR FALLS, IF THEY DO IT

> DELIBERATELY.

>

> Rasa: Mother Dearest, this is the first time I am a guru with

> devotees. I am wondering if I should ask them to be celibate, or

at

> least try. What should I tell them?

>

> MOTHER MARY: TELL THEM THAT IF THEY WANT THE FINAL VISION AND TO

> REACH THE HEIGHTS, THIS IS SOMETHING THEY MUST DO. OR ELSE, THE

> CHANCES OR NILL THEY WILL GET THERE. IF THEY WANT IT BADLY ENOUGH,

> THEY WILL DO IT.

>

> Rasa: Some of these souls are fairly young, like 35. What does a

35-

> year-old male do about sex, who also wants Enlightenment?

>

> MOTHER MARY: REMEMBER, MY DAUGHTER, THAT YOU WERE IN YOUR EARLY

> TWENTIES WHEN YOU BEGAN TO STRUGGLE AGAINST SEX. SURELY, A MAN IN

> HIS THIRTIES COULD DO THE SAME. IT ISN'T GOING TO KILL HIM. PEOPLE

> MAKE TOO MUCH OF IT. IT IS A GREAT SACRIFICE IF YOU ARE SO USED TO

> IT. BUT AFTER YOU GIVE IT UP YOU REALIZE HOW UNIMPORTANT IT IS AND

> HOW MUCH GOOD COMES FROM NOT HAVING LUST. THEY SHOULD TRY AND

> PRACTICE CELIBACY FOR LONGER LENGTHS OF TIME UNTIL IT LETS GO OF

> THEIR MIND.

>

> Rasa: I am really glad you said that. I suppose I should ask each

> devotee what their goal is. Do they want to reach Enlightenment

and

> seeing God face to face? I should ask them. What if they give me

> that old chestnut, " Can I just do it till I need glasses? " In

other

> words, they want it halfway. They want to see God, but perhaps not

> face to face. They want an intermediate vision of God and they

want

> to hold onto sex. What then?

>

> MOTHER MARY: YOU SHOULD NOT BOTHER WITH MEN OR WOMEN LIKE THAT.

> HONESTLY, THEY WILL BRING YOU GRIEF. THEY CANNOT ENTER THE INNER

> CIRCLE OF DISCIPLES. ANYONE WHO WANTS GOD IN HALFWAY MEASURES,

> HOLDING ONTO THE FLESH AND THE WORLD, SHOULD STAY OUTSIDE THE

INNER

> SANCTUM, AND SHOULD NOT HAVE DAILY ACCESS TO YOU. YOU HAVE

SUFFERED

> TOO MUCH TO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE THAT NEAR YOU. LIFE IS HARD ENOUGH AS

> IT IS. I KNOW SOME WILL FALL AWAY BECAUSE OF THAT, BUT THEY WILL

> HURT YOU IN THE END. MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT ABOUT

> WORSHIPPING YOUR BODY, BUT ONLY ABOUT FINDING GOD INSIDE THEIR OWN

> SOULS. GET RID OF THE MEN WHO THINK IN TERMS OF YOUR BODY OR THEIR

> BODY, OR SEX.

>

> YOU HAVE NOT COME SO FAR TO WASTE YOUR TIME WITH THESE MEN. THINK

OF

> RAMAKRISHNA AND HOW SERIOUS HIS BAND OF MEN WERE. THEY WERE ALL

> CELIBATES, OR TRIED TO BE.

>

> Rasa: Mother, lately I have been talking with someone a lot about

a

> Swami who I call " Muktup " who got involved with tantric sex at the

> end of his life. He was doing sex to a lot of young women in the

> ashram. What do you think of this and what do you say about

tantric

> sex, which is now like a fad in America.

>

> MOTHER MARY: ANYONE WHO HOLDS HIMSELF UP AS A GREAT SWAMI AND

GREAT

> PERFECTED SOUL AND THEN ABUSES THAT PRIVILEGE BY HAVING SEX WITH

> THOSE WHO CAME TO HIM SEEKING ENLIGHTENMENT, THAT MAN WILL PAY FOR

> HIS SINS BEFORE GOD. AND THE FUN HE THINKS HE HAD WILL NOT BE

WORTH

> IT. ADVISE ALL THESE MEN TO GIVE UP THEIR LUSTFUL THOUGHTS AND

> DESIRES, AND SACRIFICE FOR THE

>

> KINGDOM OF GOD. THEY NEED EXORCISM, AS THIS IS THE WORK OF SATAN,

> CONTROLLING THEIR MINDS. ABOUT TANTRIC SEX IT IS ONCE AGAIN, SATAN

> USING THE FLESH FOR SEX GAMES, AND MIXING SEX INTO RELIGION. IT

> ISN'T HOLY AT ALL AND CANNOT BECOME HOLY, NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE

> THINKS. HOLD YOUR LINE ON THIS ONE. LET NO ONE DETER YOU ON HOW

EVIL

> IT IS. ADVISE ALL YOUR ADHERENTS TO STAY AWAY FROM THIS.

>

> Rasa: It seems quite clear to me that there are no halfway

measures

> when it comes to Union with God and the Vision of God. Do you have

> any advise for those who are married or to those who feel they

> simply cannot quit having sex? What can they hope for in the

Kingdom

> of God?

>

> MOTHER MARY: CELIBACY IS FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO BE HOLY. MARRIED

> PEOPLE CAN STOP HAVING SEX AND TURN THEIR HOME INTO A MONASTERY.

AS

> FOR THOSE WHO WANT GOD IN HALFWAY MEASURES, THEY WILL RECEIVE IN

> HALFWAY MEASURES. THE MORE YOU GIVE UP FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD, THE

> MORE GRACE YOU ARE ABLE TO RECEIVE. GOD CANNOT FILL A SOUL THAT IS

> STUFFED WITH DESIRES AND ATTACHMENTS. EMPTY YOURSELF, AND GOD WILL

> FILL YOU UP.

>

> Rasa: Can you explain exactly how, Mother, lust and attachments

> deter the soul from the Vision of God?

>

> MOTHER MARY: AS I SAID BEFORE, TO SEE GOD WHILE IN THE FLESH IS

> NOTHING SHORT OF A MIRACLE. IT IS THE GLORY OF GOD. YOU CANNOT

> ATTAIN THE GLORY OF GOD UNLESS YOU GIVE UP ALL TERRESTRIAL THINGS

> FOR THE SAKE OF GOD.

>

> Rasa: Amen, Mother. Happy Mother's Day!

>

> MOTHER MARY: I THANK ALL MY CHILDREN!

>

> WRITTEN BY RASA VON WERDER MOTHER'S DAY, MAY 8, 2005