Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 (Please note that this post been copied and pasted from Shri Adi Shakti Forum Index and any references relate to that forum) Dear All, Questions... i have received very profound and intelligent questions from a seeker of the Christian background and this person asks a number of questions which i will answer to the best of my ability. So, here they are:- Quote: " I was thinking more than 2000 years ago Christ had said about baptism where one will be baptised with the Holy Spirit - not referring to the ritual of sprinking water on one's head or submerging in water, etc. i believe that once you have been baptised in the Holy Spirit you are saved. But in Sahaj... you need self-realization before you are reborn again? So my question is, are the christians who have been baptised with the Holy Spirit (not the ritualistic water way but actual experience of the holy spirit) have they had their second rebirth? If not, then its something strange that the baptism of the Holy Spirit over these few centuries carries no weight. Who or what is the Holy Spirit that has been healing and saving many people before the birth of H.H. Shri Mataji, the physical Comforter on earth? This is my personal opinion and view of things... i am just thinking out loud now though i don't think it is really the truth of the matter... but just want to share with you what is on my mind. Sometimes i think Sahaj is there to allow those who do not know about Jesus Christ... i.e. Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, etc. to know Jesus, who he is and why he is so important both in the message of the Resurrection and that it is He who will come to judge us during the final days. Of course, its also for the christians who think they are saved through the ritualistic water-based baptism. Hoping to hear from your experiences and wisdom in this... Quote: Answers... (to the best of my ability)... The experience of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and Self- Realization are the one and the same. They may have a different name in the various spiritual traditions, but they are the same essential experience. There is only one Divine Feminine Power in the universe... who is the same regardless of what we call Her... whether we call Her... Holy Spirit, Ruh, Adi Shakti, Maitreya, Ruach, or Eykaa Mayee. In John 14:26... Jesus is quoted as saying... " But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. " This Helper is Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi and She is telling us about Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all the others... how they came at different times to help to evolve humans to a higher spiritual level. In other words... when dharma (morality) went down... one of the Avatars (spiritual teachers) would come down and take birth to get humans back on track... and give them new knowledge for the times, because human beings were and are evolving to a higher level to eventually reach the " Kingdom of God " within... that Jesus talked about. Reaching this " Kingdom of God " was talked about by Jesus and the others as well taught it... that One had to reach this Union with the Divine in Sahasrara... different words, but same essential experience within the human being... the human birthright within... which is to " become your Spirit " . He also said in Verse 29... " And now I have told you before it comes to pass, that when it comes to pass, you may believe. " (this was foreshadowing the Day of Pentecost to HIs Disciples.) Here is a description of the Day of Pentecost... Acts 2:1... The Day of Pentecost... " And when the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent, rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them... (on their heads). And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues (languages) as the Spirit was giving them utterance. Acts chapter 2 verse eight......says " And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born? " ... This Baptism of the Holy Spirit occurred to Jesus' Disciples. They became or were the Enlightened Ones... who also knew His Teachings. They were the ones that Jesus entrusted. The Sahaj experience of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, or Self- Realization is the same thing and identical to the Day of Pentecost when you experience the Wind of the Holy Spirit. In Sahaj Yoga, when you get your S.R. you experience the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost. We also have Miracle Photos which show " flames " above people's heads. As far as talking in different Languages, in modern times we do not have the problem of communication because most people speak English and can understand and we are multi-lingual... however we can also communicate in various languages over the internet today. In other words, language is not a problem, really in this age. I have always been a seeker. i have experienced getting the so- called baptism of the holy spirit in Pentecostalism where a minister lays his hand upon your head and gives you the baptism of the holy spirit... in other words... puts the holy ghost into you. I never experienced the Wind of the Holy Ghost, but got very excited instead but i now know it was not the Holy Spirit because the results in my life are very different between both experiences. I have balance in my life now rather than the " ups " and " downs " of Pentecostalism. The experience i have now is very inward and deep; not outward and showy. Because... i have experienced the real thing, like the Day of Pentecost. I have too felt the Cool Breeze around me like a swirling wind when i meditate as on the Day of Pentecost. (There is much more to this subject on how the Holy Spirit helps, but that is another long subject). In the past ages, only a few got the Baptism of the Holy Spirit or their Self-Realization. These people got it directly from having a Guru or Teacher like Jesus or His Disciples who helped them achieve it. However, they also had to do a lot of penances and be " cleansed through the fire " figuratively speaking, before they got it. There have always been Realized people of every religious persuasion who were able to help others, however, there were very few. It was not the " mass " of Christians from the churches, who got their Baptism of Self-Realization... it was Jesus' Disciples. So people did not then get it 'en masse'. This is only happening today through the Advent of H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Through Shri Mataji's Advent... people of every religion, culture, country... are getting their Self-Realization... in an 'en-masse' way. Shri Mataji opened the Sahasrara Chakra which is in our brain... in the Virata or Cosmos... so that human beings could get their S.R. 'en masse'. She did this at Nargol in India. " Mataji " means Mother... " Nirmala " means " Immaculate " ... " Devi " means " Goddess " . In fact Shri Mataji is a reincarnation of Jesus' Mother... Mary. She has talked about Him (Jesus) from such intimate knowledge, as Shri Mataji remembers All Her Incarnations. (See the Forum of " Excerpts from Shri Mataji's Talks " on the subject of " The Creation of Lord Jesus Christ " , for example.) In this age of mass production, people think they can just get the Holy Spirit by getting a preacher to put the H.S. into them. That is not the truth, really. The Holy Spirit is so Holy; She is the Divine Feminine Energy of the Universe... the Holy Spirit. She cannot be treated in such a manner... She cannot be demanded... She must be respected. In Christianity we have God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The Truth is... it is actually God the Father... God the Mother (a.k.a. Holy Spirit)... and God the Son. Have you ever heard of a father and son without a mother? It's absolutely absurd, isn't it? Patriarchialism got rid of the mother, you see and called her the Holy Spirit... (which She is)... but tried to diminish the Divine Feminine Power by not calling Her " the Mother " . This Holy Spirit or Kundalini which is another name, is an Intelligent, Wise, All-Knowing Primordial Spiritual Energy, A Reflection of God Almighty within you. She knows everything about you and loves you as Her Child. When you are a fetus in your mother's womb at about three months' gestation, the Holy Spirit (your spiritual Mother)... accompanies your Spirit, which She lovingly deposits into your Heart and then She settles down in your Sacrum Bone (read about it in Forum... " Enlightened Medicine and Psychology " under title of " the Sacrum Bone " )... in three and a half coils and remains in a dormant state, waiting for your Pure Desire for Her to awaken... for you to Seek Her and Find Her... your Spiritual Mother... the Holy Spirit (of Christians)... the Ruh of Allah (of Muslims)... the Adi Shakti (of Hindus), the Maitreya (of Buddhists)... the Ruach (of Jews) and the Eykaa Mayee (of Sikhs). That is why it is said that we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, all spiritual traditions were aware of the Holy Spirit... not just Christians. The Hindus know Jesus Christ as " Ganesha " . (Read about " The Creation of Lord Jesus Christ " in the Forum under " Excerpts from Shri Mataji's Talks). Indeed " Ganesha " was the first Son... Created Son of God. Christians need to know more about this " Ganesha " to actually know more about Jesus. Other traditions, also know about " Issa " ... which is another name that Jesus is known by. (Read about " Issa " ... under the Forum of " Holy Scriptures & Religions " under the Subject Title of " Christ's Visit to India - The Story of Issa. " ) ... The Christians do not have a monopoly on Jesus although they would like to think so... and i can understand that. In fact, the interesting thing is that a lot of Christian and other faiths as well claim to know Christ but in actuality know nothing of Him in their lives. To talk about Him... is not necessarily to know him Within Yourself. There is a difference. You see the Holy Spirit comes to everyone, regardless of their religious persuasion. To talk about Him, Praise Him, Pray to Him is not the same as actually Being Born Again. To be really Born Again... is not some Certificate that anyone can put on a person. It is actually an inward deeply spiritual experience where you also feel the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost as on the Day of Pentecost and You Change Completely, You have healing, You can see your faults, You have Power to be your ideal person, you have always wanted to be. But you still have to introspect and meditate with all this. Being Baptised of the Holy Spirit (Self-Realization) is just the beginning. Hildegaarde of Bingen was a Christian who i believe had the Baptism of the Holy Spirit... and there are many others. But it came from within them; it did not come from without. That's why it says in the Bible... " Seek Me and you shall find Me; Knock and the Door Will Be Opened... for whoever Seeks will Find... and Whoever Knocks... to Him the Door Will Be Opened. " It does not say... " Have Minister Put Hand On Your Head... and You Will Find Me. " It does not come from the Outside. No one can put the Baptism into You. Why? Because the Holy Spirit is asleep (dormant) within your Sacrum Bone in the form of Coiled Energy... the Holy Spirit is also known as Kundalini, and when You Ask Her to Arise Within You... She will. She is very desirous and just waiting to give you the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. In other words... She is already within you... She does not have to be put within you. However, She needs someone who is already enlightened to help you also to enlighten you... much like a lit candle can light another candle. However, She is within you... not outside of you, and waiting to arise withing you and give you your Second Birth. The Kundalini or Holy Spirit is the one who gives you your Second Birth. And you will experience Her as a Cool Breeze, as on the Day of Pentecost... on your hands, above your head... or around your Body. Shri Mataji is the Comforter, the Incarnation that Jesus would come that would " teach us all things... and remind us of all that Jesus taught...She has also come at this Time of Resurrection to finish this Job for us so we Could Ascend and Received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. She has opened the Sahasrara Centre, which is the area in our brain where we enter the Kingdom of God. However, without Jesus' opening the Gate at Agnya chakra, this would not have been possible. Before only a few people got their Self-Realization, or Baptism of the Holy Spirit, but since Shri Mataji has opened the Primordial Centre (which is talked about on the website...to have taken place at Nargol)... people can get their Baptism of the Spirit, 'en-masse' through SY's who already are enlightened. It used to be that only a few people got their Holy Spirit Baptism or Self-Realization... and these were Very Few. They came from all religions including Christianity. You will find some of these realized souls in all religions over all time. And the Holy Spirit does Her work... it is never in vain. The Baptism of the Spirit over the centuries has always carried " weight " in answer to your question... the " real " Baptism where they experience the Wind of the Holy Ghost. That is the main evidence of a Baptism. If there was no wind or Cool Breeze, then the full experience is not there. " Church " and " religion " do not equal " Holy Spirit " . There is a difference. What i am trying to say is that the Holy Spirit is not confined at all, in fact, is most confined in churches and in religions today because of the dogmatic beliefs and intolerance and so forth. The genuine teachings of Jesus... and Mohammed... and Buddha... and all the other Divine Incarnations need to be assimilated by Christians. The Christians are acting as if Jesus belongs only to them. Take for example a tree with all its branches. Each branch represents a religion on this tree. The Christians are claiming the Jesus Branch and taking it for themselves as if they own it exclusively. When they do that and take the branch off the tree, the branch will die, because it does not get its sustenance. i am not saying individual christians are doing this, but the stance of the church and its dogma is doing it. All religions are one... and in SY you get them all, because all Divine Incarnations are One; remember that song... " We are One in the Spirit... We are One in the Lord " ... well, that is true of all believers, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Taoist, Buddhist, Confucian, and Sikh. There are realized persons in every religion. I hope this helps to some extent. Violet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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