Guest guest Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 , " violet_tubb " <vtubb@b...> wrote: > > i have been told that all i have to do is give Self-realization. > But to give Self-Realization is a joy to me; it is not something > i 'have' to do. Maybe for some SY's that is all they 'have' to do. > i also want to tell how Shri Mataji's message relates to Jesus's, > Mohammed's, Buddha's, and all the other incarnation's messages. > i also want to express myself in my own words, my experiences of > the Divine and my understanding of Shri Mataji's Message. She in > fact has told us to explain Her Message in the way that we have > personally experienced it. But that does not seem to be on > the list of HAVE TO DO's of Organization SY who recently have asked > me not to be partake of this forum. Granted, they did not say i > was not to talk about the Last Judgment and Resurrection. However, > they also did not say i should talk about the Last Judgment and > Resurrection. What they did say was that ALL i 'have to do' is > GIVE SELF-REALIZATION. > > Shri Mataji might have told some yogis that all they have to do is > give self-realization. However, She also said we have to get this > Message Out. This Message is What Message? 'All we have to do is > give self-realization'? Is that the message? No. The Message is of > the Last Judgment and Resurrection... the continuation of the > message of Jesus, namely that of Shri Mataji being the > foretold 'Comforter' of Christianity, the 'Ruh' of Allah, > the 'Maitreya' of Buddhists, the 'Ruach' of the Jewish people, > the 'Eykaa Mayee' of the Sikhs and of course the 'Adi Shakti' of > the Hindus. Articulating this Divine Message, is not the same > thing as 'giving self-realization'. However, it did not get a > mention by SY Organization to me under the list of " All a SY HAS > To Do " . > > In fact, the request that i not partake of this forum, would > indicate to me that SY Organization do not want me to articulate > about the Last Judgment and Resurrection. And they do not want me > to articulate in my own words my experience of self-realization > and spiritual growth through Sahaja Yoga. What else can i infer? > Can i possibly infer that i can articulate everything that i am > articulating? If i can, then why am i being asked to quit. If i > did quit, would they have another forum for me where i can > articulate? > > What is the REAL problem here anyway? Is it possible that this > Divine Incarnation's Message is already being suppressed while She > is still on Earth? Remember, this happened to Jesus and the other > Incarnations. That is why all the religions are now a shambles; a > mixture of truth, untruths and half-truths. > > Why is it that Organization SY cannot accept these websites? What > part of Shri Mataji's teachings are not taught or wrongly taught? > Please... give us some plain answers... this is an open forum. > Please don't ask genuine SY's to leave the local collective. > Please don't subsequently declare them to be non-SY's as in > Jagbir's case. Please wake up to what you are doing, before it is > too late. > > However, i am clear in my heart and mind of what Shr Adi Shakti, > Shri Mataji has asked us to do. She has asked us all to write of > our experiences, further articulate Her Divine Message to the > Whole World and to give self-realization. > > Violet > To those management SYs who want to organize/suppress the Truth even when Shri Mataji is on Earth, i ask what does Shri Mataji mean when She said the following quotes below. If you cannot provide answers please leave Violet and others alone to do what you management SYs do not have the faith and conviction to accomplish. Why are you so afraid of the truth? Why do you want us to become hypocrites and compromise the Divine Message? Why can't you leave others to spread Sahaja Yoga the way they see it? Why are you forcing your rules on us when Shri Mataji strives to make us free? What i really want to know is who gave you the authority to tell us what we cannot say about Sahaja Yoga? That is why i have got some quotes of Shri Mataji below that you probably do not like Violet and others talking on the forum and websites. There are more in case that is not enough. But what i truly want you management/control freaks to explain is what Shri Mataji means by this particular sentence, " Now the Time has come to start talking, announcing, telling about it to everyone. Otherwise the world would say that we never knew about it. " Are you by any chance implying that the world never knew about self- realization and chakras? Is that what we have to announce and awe humanity with the help of thousands of subtle system teachers? What is the need i may ask when countless yoga schools are already doing a far better job? Or is it our patented lemon and chilly treatments that Shri Mataji is talking about? But why does the Divine Message disturb all of you so much? Does Shri Mataji by any chance mean that " Now the Time has come to start talking, announcing, telling about it to everyone " ? Do you think that She, unlike the management SYs, is concerned that " Otherwise the world would say that we never knew about it " ? Do you think by any chance She is talking about the Last Judgment and Resurrection? jagbir ----- " Declare to all the nations now that I am the Holy Ghost and I have come for this Special Time, that is, the Resurrection Time. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Assume Yourself, Sydney, Australia - March 21, 1983 " Now the Time has come to start talking, announcing, telling about it to everyone. Otherwise the world would say that we never knew about it. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi " The Truth which is absolute has to express itself in these Modern Times. And even if it is not accepted it will never die. On the contrary, if it is not accepted, it will expose all falsehood and destroy it! " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi " But I myself feel, as predicted by many, that possibly because of your understanding and your wisdom, I am sure something great may happen in this world and things may be brought to a proper level of understanding of spirituality because this is the Last Judgment and in this Last Judgment you have to play a very vital role which I am sure you can do it, if you decide to achieve something for the future. May God bless you. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Cabella, Italy — September 27, 1998 " But these are special time, the Blossom Time. They call it the Last Judgment, you can call it the Resurrection Time, you can call it the Qiyamah, they call it in Koran. It is said that people will come out of their graves and will get their Resurrection. I mean what is left to the graves is nothing but a few stones and a few bones. No! All these souls which are dead will take their birth, take human body and take their Realization in these special times. This is a sensible thing to say and is also happening. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Moscow, Russia — November 12, 1993 " The Last Judgment has started. We are facing the Last Judgment today. We are not aware of it. And all the satanic forces have come out like the wolves in sheep clothes. And they are trying to attract you and you do not judge them. You only sit down and judge the Reality. It has started, it is a fact. It has started. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Kingston, U.K. — June 11, 1980 " This is a living process, invaluable process — you cannot pay. Also the Knowledge which makes you a Sahaja Yogi is given absolutely free of charge . . . There is no money that can be paid for this living process . . . They should also understand that this is the Golden Age of Emancipation, Resurrection and Last Judgment. If we can achieve it all of us — including them also — will have the Blessings of the Divine Love which have been promised a long time back. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi " The main thing that one has to understand is that the time has come for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not only in the Bible but all the scriptures of the world. The time has come today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a Pir, through your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way. And that your Last Judgment is also now. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi London, U.K. — December 10, 1979 " Actually we have to understand that this Kundalini is your own Mother. She has been with you in your past. She knows all about you, about your aspirations, about your future — everything She knows! And She is just waiting for an opportunity to give you your second birth. Now think how a Mother behaves. But She is a Holy Mother. She has no hatred for you — just Love and Love and Love. She wants to give you Self-Realization . . . Take it up seriously. It is very serious. You must respect your Self- Realization. This is a chance which you should not miss. This is the Last Judgment. So be careful. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi You Must Fight For Innocence Cabella, Italy — September 15, 1996 " People do not know what Time has come. It is the Last Chance. You won't get anymore chance. In Bible it has been described as the Last Judgment. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Delhi, India — August 18, 1979 " This is the Last Judgment! Either you go to Heaven or you'll go to Hell. It's already working out like that. Now let's see where are you. I have to again and again tell you as your Mother. I have to correct you and tell you that remember: This is the Last Judgment and please do not take anymore to the activities which are Antichrist. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Give Up Your Antichrist Behavior, Christmas Puja, India — Dec 25, 1996 " Though you can understand that Mother's Love makes it very easy for you to get to your Realization and that the whole story of Last Judgment — which looks such a horrifying experience — has been made very beautiful, and very tender, and delicate, and does not disturb you. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Bombay, India — Sept 28, 1979 " In between Jesus Christ and His destroying incarnation of Mahavishnu called as Kalki there is a time given to human beings to rectify themselves; for them to enter into the Kingdom of God which in the Bible is called as Last Judgment " — that you will be judged, all of you, will be judged on this Earth. The population of the Earth is at the maximum these days because all those, practically all those, who had aspirations to enter into the Kingdom of God are born in Modern Times, and are going to be born very soon. This is the most important times because Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgment. It is fantastic to hear this but that's the fact it is the Truth. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Kundalini And Kalki Shakti, Bombay, India — September 28, 1979 " Of course there are some absurd things which grew with misinterpretation and interference from unholy people, which are common in these religions. For example, Jews, Christian and Muslims believe that when they die their bodies will come out of their graves and they will all be resurrected at the Time of Resurrection, at the Time of Last Judgment, at the Time of Qiyamah. It is illogical to think what will remain inside those graves after five hundred years. Nobody wants to think and understand that it is not the body but the soul that will come out of these bodies, be born again as human beings and be saved through Qiyamah and Resurrection. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi " The Time has come for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not only in the Bible but all the scriptures of the world. The Time has come today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a Pir, through your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way out and your Last Judgment is also now. Only through Kundalini awakening God is going to judge you. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi The Message Of Christ, London, U.K. — December 10, 1979 " The Indian sage, who may be called the pioneer in this field, was the first great astrologer Bhrigumuni. In his book Nadi Granth, he made clear predictions about these Modern Times. He also specifically predicted how the Kundalini would be awakened spontaneously through Sahaja Yoga, that is, spontaneous union with the Divine, and become the means of both individual and collective transformation on a large scale, through teaching incarnation of a great Yogi. This Yogi would be an unparalleled master of the Kundalini and would teach all the people the ancients secrets of self-transformation. These are the times described in the Holy Bible as the Last Judgment and in the Koran as Qiyamah — the Resurrection Time. Astrologically it also called the Age of Aquarius, the Time of Rebirth and of great spiritual development on the Earth. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi " Jesus Christ incarnated to open the Agnya Chakra and to dissolve our ego. My job is to awaken your Kundalini Power so that it could pierce your Sahasrara Chakra. This work is of a collective nature. I have therefore to do it in the case of one and all. I want to tell you about Jesus Christ, Guru Nanaka, King Janaka and a number of other incarnations and the way they relate with the Collectivity. Similarly, I wish to talk to you about incarnations of Shri Rama, Shri Krishna, ecetera and also about Shri Shiva because all the Powers of these Gods and Deities are in us. Now the Time has come for Collective Consciousness to manifest. In this Kali Yuga all those who are seeking God shall find Him and millions of people will be able to do so. Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgment. This is described in the Bible. You are judged only after you come to Sahaja Yoga. . . . The Judgment in this matter is to be made by the individual himself. It is only when you stabilize in Sahaja Yoga that the state of thoughtless awareness is established. So long as the Kundalini Power does not pass through the Agnya Chakra the state of thoughtless awareness is not reached. As soon as the Kundalini crosses the Agnya Chakra the thoughtless awareness is established. It is the Power of Shri Jesus which is instrumental in opening the subtle door located above the Agnya Chakra. For that purpose you are to recite the Lord's Prayer composed by Jesus Christ. After crossing this Door the Kundalini Power enters the limbic area of the brain. It is after the Kundalini enters this area, which is also termed as the Kingdom of God, that the state of thoughtless awareness is established. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi " The word Kalki is actually an abbreviation of the word Niskalankh. Niskalankh means the same as My name is, which means Nirmala. That it is spotlessly clean. Something that is spotlessly clean is Niskalankh — without any spot marks. Now this incarnation has been described in many Puranas as will be coming on this Earth on a white horse in a village of Sambhalpur. They call it Sambhalpur. It is very interesting how people take everything so literally. The word Sambhalpur means bhal is the forehead; sambhal means at that state. That means Kalki is situated at your bhal. Bhal is the forehead and here He is going to be born. That is the real meaning of the word Sambhalpur. In between Jesus Christ and His destroying incarnation of Mahavishnu called as Kalki there is a time given to human beings to rectify themselves, for them to enter into the Kingdom of God, which in the Bible is called as Last Judgment. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi " As you know Sahasrara is Mahamaya. It is not easy to understand Me. For the time being you might know what I am then suddenly you forget. That's the trick because if you know Me in full ways you won't even sit here; you won't even come near to Me. So that Mahamaya is acting all the time, but that's the only way you can judge people. This Last Judgment is not an easy thing and even if you put thousands of judges they cannot do this Judgment — all the time you have to know what is what. And somehow I know everything but I will never show that I know. That's how I work it out and gradually I know what I have to do about that person. This Resurrection of yours is much more blessed than that of Christ . . . Only thing is first of all you have to recognize Me — that's all. You need not know Me; it's not easy. It's difficult to know Me. But if you recognize Me — that's all.... But that's the Love of your Mother that She wants to save as many as possible all that are created on this Earth, to give them their Resurrection. This is a Special Time! " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Self-Knowledge For Resurrection, Easter Puja, Calcutta, India — March 14, 1995 " Sahaja Yoga is the way of Nature, is the Way of God. He has given you the right to be that. It is your right that you get it, that you establish your Self in your own doing . . . So you have to grow into it. Then you will enjoy and that is the Kingdom of God which is being promised to you in which you will feel Collectively Consciousness. That is what it is and that is the Last Judgment which has been talked. How are they going to judge you? Are they going to weigh you on a scale? . . . Think about it — How are they going to judge you? The Judgment is Here! " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Seeking In The West, London, U.K. — November 21, 1979 " Of course, this is also the age of science and technology in which human beings progressed beyond the stage of blind faith. And in this great happening of the Last Judgment (Bible) and the Resurrection Time (Koran), one need not, and should not, believe blindfolded in whatever is said about ascent or salvation, but should treat it like a hypothesis, and observe the facts with an open mind like a scientist. Of course, if a hypothesis is proved, then any honest, scientifically minded modern person has to accept it. The pure Knowledge of the Divine, manifesting itself directly through Self-Realization, will progressively lead to the creation of a new race for the new Age. This Knowledge is not then for very few privileged individuals, as it was in the past, but for the benevolence of the whole world. In this way, the last breakthrough of our evolution will be achieved en masse. The entire human race can be renewed and transformed. Dharma, righteousness, will once again be universally respected, and human beings will live in Peace, harmoniously with themselves, with Nature, and with each other. . . . In My opinion every Westerner has, as a matter of urgency, to understand the vital role he has to play in this great Age of Transformation and of the Last Judgment. " Sri Mataji Nirmala Devi " But these are special time, the Blossom Time. They call it the Last Judgment, you can call it the Resurrection Time, you can call it the Qiyamah, they call it in Koran. It is said that people will come out of their graves and will get their Resurrection. I mean what is left to the graves is nothing but a few stones and a few bones. No. All these souls which are dead will take their birth, take human body and take their Realization in these special times. This is a sensible thing to say and is also happening. So now you have got your Realization because of your good deeds you did in your last previous lives, as we say punya purre. But you must respect it and you must understand what you've got is so great. You have to know you are the spirit now. You are special people. You are going to solve the problems of your country, of your community, of your society, of your families. You'll be solving the problem of the whole world. You are the one who are gong to bring Peace on this Earth. You are the one who are going to create a new world of beautiful divine people. So have faith in yourself. This faith works very fast because it is not a false faith — it is a fact. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Diwali Puja, Moscow, Russia — November 12, 1993 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > > To those management SYs who want to organize/suppress the Truth > even when Shri Mataji is on Earth, i ask what does Shri Mataji > mean when She said the following quotes below. > > If you cannot provide answers please leave Violet and others alone > to do what you management SYs do not have the faith and conviction > to accomplish. Why are you so afraid of the truth? Why do you want > us to become hypocrites and compromise the Divine Message? Why > can't you leave others to spread Sahaja Yoga the way they see it? > Why are you forcing your rules on us when Shri Mataji strives to > make us free? > > What i really want to know is who gave you the authority to tell > us what we cannot say about Sahaja Yoga? That is why i have got > some quotes of Shri Mataji below that you probably do not like > Violet and others talking on the forum and websites. There are > more in case that is not enough. > > But what i truly want you management/control freaks to explain is > what Shri Mataji means by this particular sentence, " Now the Time > has come to start talking, announcing, telling about it to > everyone. Otherwise the world would say that we never knew about > it. " > > Are you by any chance implying that the world never knew about > self-realization and chakras? Is that what we have to announce and > awe humanity with the help of thousands of subtle system teachers? > What is the need i may ask when countless yoga schools are already > doing a far better job? Or is it our patented lemon and chilly > treatments that Shri Mataji is talking about? > > But why does the Divine Message disturb all of you so much? Does > Shri Mataji by any chance mean that " Now the Time has come to start > talking, announcing, telling about it to everyone " ? Do you think > that She, unlike the management SYs, is concerned that " Otherwise > the world would say that we never knew about it " ? Do you think by > any chance She is talking about the Last Judgment and Resurrection? > > jagbir > > " You cannot force on the organization of God anything. He is on His own, His organization is on His own. Only thing you can do is to enter into His Kingdom and become a part and parcel of that blissful domain. You would never like to change it either. It is so wonderful. It is so protective, it's so loving, is so gentle, so kind, so compassionate, that you would hate to change that organization, but we do! We try to organize God. For people who think that is the ultimate you have to seek, it's all arranged to enter into the Kingdom of God. The time has come. This is the Day of Resurrection. These are the days of Resurrection. " Shri Pasahantri Devi Hampstead, UK — July 22, 1982 (Pasahantri [811th]: One who destroys Pasas or bonds and gives liberation or Moksa.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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