The simple explanation of Yoga would not satisfy the soul of the true seeker..

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seeker21

Violet

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:52 pm

Keep up the good work!!

Dear Violet,

 

Just to let you know I am with you and support all your good efforts

in presenting Sahaj in most truthful, honest and open manner in this

website. The good works done should not be stopped but carried on

for all who wish to seek the Truth.

 

I have always loved this saying:

 

" God grant me the Serenity to accept things I cannot Change,

Courage to change the things I can &

The wisdom to know the difference "

 

I sometimes wonder why do the Sahaj brothers and sisters argue over

such matter. Perhaps this could be the reason, I don't know –

am

just thinking out loud here. I believe the Organised SY are hesitant

at the beginning to openly declare Sri Mataji message of last

judgement as there could be some political/religious fanatics who

would try to prevent Sri Mataji from visiting their countries or

attempt to do something foolish.

 

Taking my country as an example, I believe the government would

possibly not allow HH Sri Mataji into the country if they knew she

was the Adi Sakti – which is why Sri Mataji has come in this

Mahamaya form. I understand possibly that the Organised SY here are

working at the vibrationally level first i.e. to first overcome the

negativity before going into the deeper knowledge of Sahaj.

 

I am reminded of a story of a Pastor who visited 2 states. One he

found very difficult to preach and let the people know of the good

news of salvation. The other he found very easy and people easily

accepted his words and the love of Jesus spread easily there. Why ?

The explanation given was that the people one side were pious people

and had always hoped for God's touch in their area and were

praying

for it. Likewise I suppose when the vibrational levels of a

particular area reached a certain level, then I suppose it is also

easier for the masses to accept the message of Last Judgment more

easily.

 

Not sure if I make sense here, but what I am trying to say is that

possibly some areas/locations are still in their infancy stages

which is why Self Realisation becomes the main focus. The next step

would then be to raise their consciousness on the importance of the

message of the Last Judgement. Its like a progress of growing up and

learning more as we mature. To stick to only Self Realisation and

ignore the message of last Judgement is also foolish.

 

The Organised Sys should also understand that withtin a new class of

Sahaj, there exist diff levels of mentality and spitiual maturity,

Thus the simple explanation of Yoga would not satisfy the soul of

the true seeker. I myself had suspected at the very beginning that

Sri Mataji was no ordinary guru but the facilitators were not

allowed to reveal much abt Sri Mataji – which is why I am

grateful

for the website of Adisakti by Jagbir. In this website I have

learned the truth and the purpose of SM incarnation on earth.

 

Therefore I hope the Organised Sys would take into consideration

that we have many ways to reach the masses and the internet is just

but one of them – thus to deprive the seekers of knowledge such

information on the Adi Sakti would be a great setback on their part.

 

To the person who hinted strongly at Violet, I hope you have also

introspected on your actions, you and me and all of us have our

weaknesses and it is not right for us to judge a brother/sister but

instead to walk together with them. If you judge others, God will

judge you also and if you cannot forgive others, God will also not

forgive you.

 

Taking a step back and looking at it from a wider perspective, I

believe the works of the Organised Sys are necessary and so is the

information in the website maintained by Jagbir and the wonderful

moderators like Violet.

 

The point is this: no matter what Jagbir or Violet (J/V) may say, it

is unlikely that the Organised Sys will change their stance ;

likewise it is unlikely that J/V will keep quiet and shut down the

website just because the organized Sys said so. Either way the

purpose is to spread Sri Mataji words, so I therefore find this

website a complementary to the Organised Sys works as where they

have the gaps, this or other websites can fill it up. Remembering

that we have so many people with so many levels of spirituality, it

is unlikely one party can cater for all.

 

So I do hope our bros/ sister will not squabble about the right

methods but maybe just focus more on the methods on how you would

like to spread sahaj. We may not necessarily agree with our

neighbours methods,but I suppose could be tolerant of one another

–

after all we have the same mother, the pure and immaculate Sri

Mataji whom we love.

 

Much Love to all.

[Guest guest]

Dear Seeker21,

 

You have a very balanced view and good voice of reason. Why indeed

can we not work together and each do our necessary part in the

Divine Drama of the Adi Shakti.

 

We can inform fully on the websites and guide people to the Ashrams,

which we do in any case for their self-realization or they can have

it over the internets as provided.

 

i do not see any ideological problem at all and Sahaja Yoga as Shri

Mataji has said " you cannot organize " .

 

Enlightened views such as yours are indeed the hallmark of

enlightened yogis who know that Sahaja Yoga is an evolutionary

process. You cannot organize it, limit it, define it, restrict it,

hide it. You definitely cannot box it into an organization, because

it is an Organism. 'Organisms' from my understanding, usually work

from the inside and manifest outwardly, whereas " Organizations " tend

to work from the outside in order to manifest inwardly within its

members.

 

In the history of religion, there are very few examples, if any,

where organization " and " organism " were fully in cooperation with

each other. Alternatively, there are many examples

where " Organizations " enforced their power over " Organisms " in

order to lessen their influence over the masses. " Organization "

usually took over the " Organism " .

 

However, now in Sahaja Yoga, the Adi Shakti Within is to be our

Guide and the Paramchaitanya (All Pervading Power) to be our Organizer and we

are to be our Own Gurus. These are revolutionary words; words that will change

the course of history and religion as we know it today.

 

However, it seems that the generational power of " Organization " still can't

understand This New Way and Old Habits Die Hard. They still do not trust

" Organism " and feel it will go rampant or out of control. However, in Sahaja

Yoga " spontaneous union " ... " Organism " does have an " Organizational Power " ...

the greatest " Organizational Power " ever to come on Earth... the PARAMCHAITANYA.

 

And the source of this Paramchaitanya, Shri Mataji Herself tells us...

 

" Tell all the nations and tell all the people, all over, the great

message - that the time of Resurrection is Here. (Note what Shri

Mataji said - THE GREAT MESSAGE...It is not a message of fear, as

promulgated by Christendom.

 

" You are the flutes, which are going to play the Melody of God. " ...

(if we surrender to the Paramchaitanya... to the Divine, this will

be the case. We will then be the Divine Flutes playing the Melody of God.)

 

" Like the ship is built, is brought to the sea, tried, and found to

be seaworthy to sail out, when you know everything about the ship,

everything about the sea. " (Note that this ship can only be

seaworthy when you know everything about the ship and everything about the sea.)

 

" With complete freedom and wisdom, you have to sail now. " (This

inner freedom and inner wisdom can only come when you give yourself

permission to be your own Guru. The Dharma is within. Surrendered SY's do not

need to be ruled from without, because their rulership comes directly from the

Divine Within. What is there to rule from without?)

 

" Not afraid of any storms or any gales or any typhoons because now

all you 'know'. " (Shri Mataji has given us the Gift of Self-

Realization, the Dharma, the Pure Knowledge... Everything. We have

no excuse because we know we need not be afraid of " any storms, any

gales, any typhoons, because She is the Calmer of any storms, any

gales, any typhoons.)

 

" Your job is to cross through " . (In other words, there will be

storms, gales, typhoons... they are to be expected. These happen on

the sea of life, but we know everything about the ship and the sea;

therefore are seaworthy and can sail out with the Wind of the Holy

Spirit, the Comforter, the Paramchaitanya.)When you have a seaworthy

vessel, an Inner Guide and the Wind of the Holy Ghost, what is

missing?

 

These are the powerful words of Our Mother, Our Emancipator, the embodiment of

Shri Adi Shakti...

 

" You become the Ocean, you become the Moon, you become the Sun, you

become the Earth, you become the Ether, the firmament - and you

become, the Spirit. You work for all of them. All the stars,

universes, you become, and take up their work. "

 

 

Quoted words of Shri Mataji from

Australian Sahaja Newsletter - 2 June, 1995.

 

 

Violet

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " violet_tubb "

<vtubb@b...> wrote:

> seeker21

> Violet

> Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:52 pm

> Keep up the good work!!

> Dear Violet,

>

> Just to let you know I am with you and support all your good

efforts

> in presenting Sahaj in most truthful, honest and open manner in

this

> website. The good works done should not be stopped but carried on

> for all who wish to seek the Truth.

>

> I have always loved this saying:

>

> " God grant me the Serenity to accept things I cannot Change,

> Courage to change the things I can &

> The wisdom to know the difference "

>

> I sometimes wonder why do the Sahaj brothers and sisters argue

over

> such matter. Perhaps this could be the reason, I don't know –

> am

> just thinking out loud here. I believe the Organised SY are

hesitant

> at the beginning to openly declare Sri Mataji message of last

> judgement as there could be some political/religious fanatics who

> would try to prevent Sri Mataji from visiting their countries or

> attempt to do something foolish.

>

> Taking my country as an example, I believe the government would

> possibly not allow HH Sri Mataji into the country if they knew she

> was the Adi Sakti – which is why Sri Mataji has come in this

> Mahamaya form. I understand possibly that the Organised SY here

are

> working at the vibrationally level first i.e. to first overcome

the

> negativity before going into the deeper knowledge of Sahaj.

>

> I am reminded of a story of a Pastor who visited 2 states. One he

> found very difficult to preach and let the people know of the good

> news of salvation. The other he found very easy and people easily

> accepted his words and the love of Jesus spread easily there.

Why ?

> The explanation given was that the people one side were pious

people

> and had always hoped for God's touch in their area and were

> praying

> for it. Likewise I suppose when the vibrational levels of a

> particular area reached a certain level, then I suppose it is also

> easier for the masses to accept the message of Last Judgment more

> easily.

>

> Not sure if I make sense here, but what I am trying to say is that

> possibly some areas/locations are still in their infancy stages

> which is why Self Realisation becomes the main focus. The next

step

> would then be to raise their consciousness on the importance of

the

> message of the Last Judgement. Its like a progress of growing up

and

> learning more as we mature. To stick to only Self Realisation and

> ignore the message of last Judgement is also foolish.

>

> The Organised Sys should also understand that withtin a new class

of

> Sahaj, there exist diff levels of mentality and spitiual maturity,

> Thus the simple explanation of Yoga would not satisfy the soul of

> the true seeker. I myself had suspected at the very beginning that

> Sri Mataji was no ordinary guru but the facilitators were not

> allowed to reveal much abt Sri Mataji – which is why I am

> grateful

> for the website of Adisakti by Jagbir. In this website I have

> learned the truth and the purpose of SM incarnation on earth.

>

> Therefore I hope the Organised Sys would take into consideration

> that we have many ways to reach the masses and the internet is

just

> but one of them – thus to deprive the seekers of knowledge such

> information on the Adi Sakti would be a great setback on their

part.

>

> To the person who hinted strongly at Violet, I hope you have also

> introspected on your actions, you and me and all of us have our

> weaknesses and it is not right for us to judge a brother/sister

but

> instead to walk together with them. If you judge others, God will

> judge you also and if you cannot forgive others, God will also not

> forgive you.

>

> Taking a step back and looking at it from a wider perspective, I

> believe the works of the Organised Sys are necessary and so is the

> information in the website maintained by Jagbir and the wonderful

> moderators like Violet.

>

> The point is this: no matter what Jagbir or Violet (J/V) may say,

it

> is unlikely that the Organised Sys will change their stance ;

> likewise it is unlikely that J/V will keep quiet and shut down the

> website just because the organized Sys said so. Either way the

> purpose is to spread Sri Mataji words, so I therefore find this

> website a complementary to the Organised Sys works as where they

> have the gaps, this or other websites can fill it up. Remembering

> that we have so many people with so many levels of spirituality,

it

> is unlikely one party can cater for all.

>

> So I do hope our bros/ sister will not squabble about the right

> methods but maybe just focus more on the methods on how you would

> like to spread sahaj. We may not necessarily agree with our

> neighbours methods,but I suppose could be tolerant of one another

> –

> after all we have the same mother, the pure and immaculate Sri

> Mataji whom we love.

>

> Much Love to all.

[Guest guest]

, " violet_tubb "

<vtubb@b...> wrote:

>

> In the history of religion, there are very few examples, if any,

> where organization " and " organism " were fully in cooperation with

> each other. Alternatively, there are many examples where

> " Organizations " enforced their power over " Organisms " in order to

> lessen their influence over the masses. " Organization " usually

> took over the " Organism " .

>

> However, now in Sahaja Yoga, the Adi Shakti Within is to be our

> Guide and the Paramchaitanya (All Pervading Power) to be our

> Organizer and we are to be our Own Gurus. These are revolutionary

> words; words that will change the course of history and religion

> as we know it today.

>

> However, it seems that the generational power of " Organization "

> still can't understand This New Way and Old Habits Die Hard. They

> still do not trust " Organism " and feel it will go rampant or out

> of control. However, in Sahaja Yoga " spontaneous union " ...

> " Organism " does have an " Organizational Power " ... the greatest

> " Organizational Power " ever to come on Earth... the PARAMCHAITANYA.

>

 

Dear Violet,

 

These are revolutionary words indeed for those who want to prevent

the Truth from being organized. As can be seen over the millennia

for organized religions control is absolutely essential. Other than

the propagation of the official version and directives of the

organization, the management elite just cannot afford to have

dissenting views. Control is of the essence.

 

Of all dangers to the organization is that from the mystics who want

to keep the organism from falling into the hands of council members

for obvious reasons. There are hundreds of examples and the Council

of Trent should be sufficient a reminder of the inherent dangers of

allowing a selected few to organize/edit the truth.

 

" The Council of Trent, the 19th ecumenical council of the Roman

Catholic church, was held at Trent in northern Italy between 1545

and 1563. It marked a major turning point in the efforts of the

Catholic church to respond to the challenge of the Protestant

Reformation and formed a key part of the Counter-Reformation. The

need for such a council had long been perceived by certain church

leaders, but initial attempts to organize it were opposed by Francis

I of France, who feared it would strengthen Holy Roman Emperor

Charles V, and by the popes themselves, who feared a revival of

Conciliarism. The council eventually met during three separate

periods (1545-47, 1551-52, 1562-63) under the leadership of three

different popes (Paul III, Julius III, Pius IV). All of its decrees

were formally confirmed by Pope Pius IV in 1564.

 

In the area of religious doctrine, the council refused any

concessions to the Protestants and, in the process, crystallized and

codified Catholic dogma far more than ever before. It directly

opposed Protestantism by reaffirming the existence of seven

sacraments, transubstantiation, purgatory, the necessity of the

priesthood, and justification by works as well as by faith. Clerical

celibacy and monasticism were maintained, and decrees were issued in

favor of the efficacy of relics, indulgences, and the veneration of

the Virgin Mary and the saints. Tradition was declared coequal to

Scripture as a source of spiritual knowledge, and the sole right of

the church to interpret the Bible was asserted. "

 

You can see that the Vicars of Christ took over and managed the

truth that the Savior had taught. The Council of Trent is comparable

to the present WCASY in a number of ways.

 

But the Savior told that He will send a Comforter in the name of the

Father who will teach all that He was unable. The Comforter has

spent more than three decades explaining about the Divine Message

that resonates with the faithful of all religions. The Great Message

culminates God Almighty's Plan for all His children. The Great News

gives all humans hope, faith and joy that the Creator exists and

that life is eternal. It will change humanity drastically once it

becomes universal.

 

Now the World Council have taken over and begun managing the truth

that the Comforter has taught. For instance, does any rank and file

SY know that WCASY has invented and given its blessing to teach

Corporate Meditation? This Corporate Meditation gives hope, faith

and joy that CEOs and workers can relieve stress and be more

productive. The sole right of WCASY to interpret the teachings of

Shri Mataji has been asserted and you are witnessing just a sample

of changes yet to come. History is repeating itself.

 

Jai Shri Mataji,

 

 

jagbir