He spoke the truth with complete courage, intensity and dedication.

[Guest guest]

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> To all my SY brothers and sisters,

>

> i wish to tell all of you that WCASY has met several times ever

> since its inception July 2004 to discuss ways to spread. In all

> their meetings there has never been a single instance of any

> council member even discussing the Divine Message. Despite

> requests for suggestions on how to spread the message of Shri

> Mataji not even a single leader has brought up the subject of the

> heart and soul of Sahaja Yoga i.e., the Divine Message to

> humanity.

>

> i am not making this up and I challenge all of you to prove me

> wrong. Go and ask your leaders, facilitators and coordinators if

> that is true. If any of them contradicts this accusation and say

> is not true i challenge them to prove me wrong. i know for a fact

> that the Divine Message has already been edited out of WCASY, the

> very body entrusted by Shri Mataji to spread Her message and

> vision for humanity.

>

> i now challenge WCASY as to their own grandiose claims to be

> constantly conscious, vigilant and protective of the Truth that

> Shri Mataji has entrusted for the sake of humanity. This is what

> council members pretend they are doing:

>

> " Always asking ourselves the following two questions in any

> activities as members of the World Council:

>

> What would Shri Mataji wish us to do?

> Will it please Shri Mataji? "

>

>

> BTW, the above is a recent April 2005 " Code of Conduct of the

> Members of the World Council for the Advancement of Sahaja Yoga " .

> Below is a reminder to all 31 council members as to what they

> agreed just a year ago:

>

> " Article 2. The Overriding Authority of HH Shri Mataji Nirmala

> Devi

>

> 2.1 The chairperson for life of the World Council is HH Shri

> Mataji Nirmala Devi Srivastava (the " Chairperson " ).

>

> 2.2 If at any time there is a contradiction or inconsistency

> between these Rules of Procedure and any instructions from the

> Chairperson concerning the functions and activities of the World

> Council, then the instructions of the Chairperson will prevail. "

>

> Before the grand opening ceremony of 2004 fades from memory i want

> to ask WCASY if Shri Mataji objected to the inclusion of the

> Divine Message as one of the activities of the World Council. To

> be more precise i want to know if any of you had in fact the

> conscience to suggest it to WCASY in the first place. I am asking

> all these awkward questions since to suggest that all leaders have

> already edited the Divine Message would be tantamount to treason.

> That, unfortunately, is exactly what i am accusing all of you of.

>

> Jai Shri Mataji,

>

>

> jagbir

>

 

There are many talks given by Shri Mataji similar in essence to the

one given at Eastbourne, England on 22 April, 1990:

 

" Christ's life should inspire us to lead a life 'that could be

enshrined, that could be called a reflection of Christ's life.'

Christ felt responsible for the world. He is described as the

support of the whole universe in the Devi-Purana. Sahaja Yogis also

have to feel responsible for the emancipation of the whole of

humanity and for the collective ascent of human beings. We have to

be alert and be aware of our responsibilities.

 

Christ was concerned all the time with the benevolence of the world.

Christ was knowledge. He knew his goal. He spoke the truth with

complete courage, intensity and dedication. Sahaja Yogis also have

to be knowledgeable about Sahaja Yoga and speak about Sahaja Yoga

with courage and dedication without being pretentious. The truth has

the capacity to express itself through a personality. " (Shri Mataji)

 

i believe that all pleas to leaders to speak " the truth with

complete courage, intensity and dedication " are going to fall on

deaf ears, as has been the case over the years. We will just be

wasting our breath and arousing the anger of the chosen ones should

they be accused of cowardice and dishonesty.

 

It looks like Sahaja Yoga is splitting into two - the majority who

have no conviction or faith in proclaiming the Divine Message, and

the minority who insist we must never corrupt Her teachings. It is

clear that leaders and facilitators have been instrumental in

enforcing obedience to the official version and management of Shri

Mataji's teachings. With the latest coup d'etat and formation of a

new World Council the Americans have gained absolute control and

management of Sahaja Yoga. The global organization is now being

purged of leaders and devotees not subservient to the self-

proclaimed highest power in Sahaja Yoga.

 

What i am really concerned is what local collectives are telling new

seekers, as experienced by Kyyan:

 

" Not too long ago I was told that it would be best for me if I went

to the local collective to get cleared out, balanced and learn all

the techniques for SY, as there are many loving and devoted Sy's

willing to help. With that being said, I was also advised to not get

involved in peoples opinions of this and that at the collective, and

to read about, take part in and understand the divine message

through this forum and Adi Shakti.org; basically utilize both to get

the complete picture. "

 

i know these websites and forums represent the greatest threat to

the collectives of America and Canada, for reasons best known to

them. Ever since i became a SY and started writing SHRI ADI SHAKTI:

THE KINGDOM OF GOD the management SYs of North America began a

sustained effort to discredit it. Even Shri Mataji's repeated

approval was not enough. What really set them off was my setting up

of the websites. That is when they went into overdrive and used all

means possible to stop new seekers from reading about the Divine

Message. Now they have gained control of the new World Council.

These websites and forums represent the greatest threat and obstacle

to manage Shri Mataji's teachings and control Her devotees. Asking

them to announce " the truth with complete courage, intensity and

dedication " is tantamount to supporting the Divine Message as

explained on these forums and websites.

 

Jesus said, " Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your

pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and

turn and tear you to pieces. " Matthew 7:6

 

" Of course, these words of Jesus are allegorical. I doubt that any

were literally casting pearls before swine. The meaning is pretty

simple to figure out; " Do not persist in offering what is sacred or

of value to those who have no appreciation for it, because your gift

will not only become contaminated and be despised, your generous

efforts could also be rebuffed and perhaps even openly attacked. "

The " dogs " and " swine " here stand for the unappreciative and

worldly; unappreciative and uncaring men and women who belittle the

value of what is offered to them. " (www.bible.ca)

 

Yes, these words of Jesus are allegorical to the World Council too.

But what the Saviour meant is that swine can never appreciate pearls.

 

Jai Shri Mataji,

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

To Jagbir and ALL,

 

I want to clear up a misunderstanding in regards to the post that I

wrote on the new forum which was quoted in Jagbir¡¯s post below with

regards to Local collectives and their instructions to me/new

seekers.

 

This is what was quoted in Jagbir¡¯s post:

 

" What I am really concerned is what local collectives are telling new

seekers, as experienced by Kyyan:

 

" Not too long ago I was told that it would be best for me if I went

to the local collective to get cleared out, balanced and learn all

the techniques for SY, as there are many loving and devoted Sy's

willing to help. With that being said, I was also advised to not get

involved in peoples opinions of this and that at the collective, and

to read about, take part in and understand the divine message

through this forum and Adi Shakti.org; basically utilize both to get

the complete picture. "

"

 

I can see now how the words I choose to describe the above could be

misunderstood.

 

To clear this up, what I meant to say above was that I was advised

that I should go to the local collectives to get cleared out,

balanced and l earn all the SY techniques as there are many Loving

SYs there who are more then willing to help, but that at the local

collective I should not get myself caught up in local opinions of

this and that. Also what I mean to say was that I was advised that

it would be best for me to not only go to the local collective for

clearing, teachings of techniques and to get balances, but also and

at the same time take part in the new forum, read the adishakti.org

website and learn/ take part in the divine message that way, as

nothing of the sort will be mentioned or taught to any great degree

at the local collectives. That way I could learn the practical

techniques and be helped to heal on all levels and at the same time

learn more about the Divine message of Shri Mataji and take active

art in it; meaning the complete picture of SY.

 

I was advised this by Violet, and the way I wrote this in my post

made it seem like I was told not to get involved in

people opinions of this and that by the local collective with

regards to these websites and forums, and that I was advised not to

utilize both for the complete picture; THIS IS NOT THE CASE AT ALL.

 

So please be aware that this was a misunderstanding and could have

been avoided with more specific and carefully chosen words on my

part, and that I never experienced any sort of advice in the

negative manner as misunderstood here, by anyone at all, especially

anyone at the local collective here in Vancouver Canada; NEVER. So I

apologize once again for this mix up and to Jagbir, and wish you all

a wonderful day.

 

Kyyan

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org> wrote:

> >

> > To all my SY brothers and sisters,

> >

> > i wish to tell all of you that WCASY has met several times ever

> > since its inception July 2004 to discuss ways to spread. In all

> > their meetings there has never been a single instance of any

> > council member even discussing the Divine Message. Despite

> > requests for suggestions on how to spread the message of Shri

> > Mataji not even a single leader has brought up the subject of

the

> > heart and soul of Sahaja Yoga i.e., the Divine Message to

> > humanity.

> >

> > i am not making this up and I challenge all of you to prove me

> > wrong. Go and ask your leaders, facilitators and coordinators if

> > that is true. If any of them contradicts this accusation and say

> > is not true i challenge them to prove me wrong. i know for a

fact

> > that the Divine Message has already been edited out of WCASY,

the

> > very body entrusted by Shri Mataji to spread Her message and

> > vision for humanity.

> >

> > i now challenge WCASY as to their own grandiose claims to be

> > constantly conscious, vigilant and protective of the Truth that

> > Shri Mataji has entrusted for the sake of humanity. This is what

> > council members pretend they are doing:

> >

> > " Always asking ourselves the following two questions in any

> > activities as members of the World Council:

> >

> > What would Shri Mataji wish us to do?

> > Will it please Shri Mataji? "

> >

> >

> > BTW, the above is a recent April 2005 " Code of Conduct of the

> > Members of the World Council for the Advancement of Sahaja

Yoga " .

> > Below is a reminder to all 31 council members as to what they

> > agreed just a year ago:

> >

> > " Article 2. The Overriding Authority of HH Shri Mataji Nirmala

> > Devi

> >

> > 2.1 The chairperson for life of the World Council is HH Shri

> > Mataji Nirmala Devi Srivastava (the " Chairperson " ).

> >

> > 2.2 If at any time there is a contradiction or inconsistency

> > between these Rules of Procedure and any instructions from the

> > Chairperson concerning the functions and activities of the World

> > Council, then the instructions of the Chairperson will prevail. "

> >

> > Before the grand opening ceremony of 2004 fades from memory i

want

> > to ask WCASY if Shri Mataji objected to the inclusion of the

> > Divine Message as one of the activities of the World Council. To

> > be more precise i want to know if any of you had in fact the

> > conscience to suggest it to WCASY in the first place. I am

asking

> > all these awkward questions since to suggest that all leaders

have

> > already edited the Divine Message would be tantamount to

treason.

> > That, unfortunately, is exactly what i am accusing all of you of.

> >

> > Jai Shri Mataji,

> >

> >

> > jagbir

> >

>

> There are many talks given by Shri Mataji similar in essence to

the

> one given at Eastbourne, England on 22 April, 1990:

>

> " Christ's life should inspire us to lead a life 'that could be

> enshrined, that could be called a reflection of Christ's life.'

> Christ felt responsible for the world. He is described as the

> support of the whole universe in the Devi-Purana. Sahaja Yogis also

> have to feel responsible for the emancipation of the whole of

> humanity and for the collective ascent of human beings. We have to

> be alert and be aware of our responsibilities.

>

> Christ was concerned all the time with the benevolence of the

world.

> Christ was knowledge. He knew his goal. He spoke the truth with

> complete courage, intensity and dedication. Sahaja Yogis also have

> to be knowledgeable about Sahaja Yoga and speak about Sahaja Yoga

> with courage and dedication without being pretentious. The truth

has

> the capacity to express itself through a personality. " (Shri

Mataji)

>

> i believe that all pleas to leaders to speak " the truth with

> complete courage, intensity and dedication " are going to fall on

> deaf ears, as has been the case over the years. We will just be

> wasting our breath and arousing the anger of the chosen ones

should

> they be accused of cowardice and dishonesty.

>

> It looks like Sahaja Yoga is splitting into two - the majority who

> have no conviction or faith in proclaiming the Divine Message, and

> the minority who insist we must never corrupt Her teachings. It is

> clear that leaders and facilitators have been instrumental in

> enforcing obedience to the official version and management of Shri

> Mataji's teachings. With the latest coup d'etat and formation of a

> new World Council the Americans have gained absolute control and

> management of Sahaja Yoga. The global organization is now being

> purged of leaders and devotees not subservient to the self-

> proclaimed highest power in Sahaja Yoga.

>

> What i am really concerned is what local collectives are telling

new

> seekers, as experienced by Kyyan:

>

> " Not too long ago I was told that it would be best for me if I

went

> to the local collective to get cleared out, balanced and learn all

> the techniques for SY, as there are many loving and devoted Sy's

> willing to help. With that being said, I was also advised to not

get

> involved in peoples opinions of this and that at the collective,

and

> to read about, take part in and understand the divine message

> through this forum and Adi Shakti.org; basically utilize both to

get

> the complete picture. "

>

> i know these websites and forums represent the greatest threat to

> the collectives of America and Canada, for reasons best known to

> them. Ever since i became a SY and started writing SHRI ADI

SHAKTI:

> THE KINGDOM OF GOD the management SYs of North America began a

> sustained effort to discredit it. Even Shri Mataji's repeated

> approval was not enough. What really set them off was my setting

up

> of the websites. That is when they went into overdrive and used

all

> means possible to stop new seekers from reading about the Divine

> Message. Now they have gained control of the new World Council.

> These websites and forums represent the greatest threat and

obstacle

> to manage Shri Mataji's teachings and control Her devotees. Asking

> them to announce " the truth with complete courage, intensity and

> dedication " is tantamount to supporting the Divine Message as

> explained on these forums and websites.

>

> Jesus said, " Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw

your

> pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet,

and

> turn and tear you to pieces. " Matthew 7:6

>

> " Of course, these words of Jesus are allegorical. I doubt that any

> were literally casting pearls before swine. The meaning is pretty

> simple to figure out; " Do not persist in offering what is sacred

or

> of value to those who have no appreciation for it, because your

gift

> will not only become contaminated and be despised, your generous

> efforts could also be rebuffed and perhaps even openly attacked. "

> The " dogs " and " swine " here stand for the unappreciative and

> worldly; unappreciative and uncaring men and women who belittle

the

> value of what is offered to them. " (www.bible.ca)

>

> Yes, these words of Jesus are allegorical to the World Council

too.

> But what the Saviour meant is that swine can never appreciate

pearls.

>

> Jai Shri Mataji,

>

>

> jagbir