Michalis, why are you not spreading Shri Mataji's Great Message...

[Guest guest]

Violet,

 

I was curious.....it is said often, and rightfully so, that one

should turn to the shakti within in order to escape all falsehoods,

clear blokages, heal wounds on all levels etc etc, but i am not sure

how one does that. To turn to the shakti within, how is that done

exactly?

 

Also i wanted to know if mantras, the divine mantras, are they

rituals as well or is that turning to the shakti within, since those

very mantras connect us and activiate the dieties within us,which

were all created by The shakti and all are all apart of her. I mean

those mantras help heal you and help strenthen many aspects of

connection to the divine, so to me, as i write this, it seems that

this may possible be hat is meant by leaving the rituals behind and

turning o the shakti within.

 

Could u lease clarify and also touch on if the mantras are not

included in the rituals of which we are speaking.

 

Thank you

 

Kyyan

 

, " Violet " <vtubb@b...>

wrote:

> Dear Michalis,

>

> Sahaja (means " born with you)... Yoga (means " union " ). Together

they

> mean that " this union you can have with God Almighty is 'born with

> you'.

>

> Shri Mataji named the Organization of Sahaja Yoga after

this 'union

> you can have with God Almighty that is born with you " .

>

> It would seem to me that it is yourself arguing with yourself

about

> whether Sahaja Yoga really works.

>

> When people experience the Divine within, with the Kundalini doing

> the clearing for them, why do they need to rely on rituals?

>

> Relying on rituals are only for those who need it, such as

yourself,

> who have obviously not yet truly turned to the Shakti within. i

can say this because those who do turn to the Shakti within, find

they do not have to rely on rituals.

>

> i am hearing a protest from you that this is not possible, but,

yes it is. Here is what Chuck says about your post though, so i

think it may give you something to meditate on, as he is a new

Sahaja Yogi and you do not want to put him off, do you?

>

>

> -

> chuckhennigan@b...

> Violet Tubb

> Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:24 AM

> Rituals

>

> Violet,

>

> You and Jagbir are providing a wonderful testimony to the truth. I

> cringed when these rituals are talked about by people on the web

> site. I came upon this site quite truly by accident. I did not and

> have not gone to Church in years. I do not want to be corrupted

into

> thinking rituals will get people into Heaven and realizing the true

> Kingdom of God. It is only by realizing the Holy Spirit and a

Bright

> Light (God) Jagbir has referred to is in my physical body along

with

> my spirit that has transformed me as Jesus said (in a twinkling of

> an eye). It has nothing to do with candles or rituals and if I

> thought it did, I would turn away from S.Y. I believe Shri Mataji

> Nirmala Devi is a prophet sent by God to enlighten people in these

> last days. Self Realization and the cool breeze of the Holy Spirit

> is real. I have witnessed it. The Holy Spirit is teaching me, (the

> spirit), things everyday. The greatest gift I think I can give

> people is Love. My Spirit has been conditioned by false teachings

> from government schools, Churches, Governments themselves that it

is

> so hard for people's hearts not be hardened like stones. With the

> help of the Holy Spirit, I am trying to break away from these

> conditionings. This cannot be done by anyone else. It has to come

> from within.

> I wanted to thank you and Jagbir for your truly wonderful work.

>

> Thank You Again,

>

> Chuck

>

>

> Michalis, while we are on the subject of the relative importance

of things, how important do you regard Shri Mataji's Great Message

to be?

>

> If you are silent within the SY Organization on this point, i have

to say that you have got your priorities wrong. It is time you speak

up. You are putting so much emphasis on rituals, to the exclusion of

Shri Mataji's Divine Mission and Message of Spiritual Emancipation.

Do you realize that the Message of the Last Judgment and Resurection

are being ignored, even though this Last Judgment is happening right

now? Do you realize, that the leaders in SY are ignoring this

Message to their own peril. Michalis, you must wake up and realize

what is happening. Forget about your obsession about rituals, the

real knowledge is WITHIN.

>

> i would also like to give you a bit of sisterly advice: -

>

> It is best to let us know a little bit about yourself, how long

you have been in Sahaja Yoga, and how all your treatments etc. have

helped you in your spiritual walk. Maybe then we can understand

where you are coming from. Most Sahaja Yogis here are happy to

discuss things with you and also help you along.

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Violet

>

>

> , " michalis_9 "

> <michalis_9> wrote:

>

> > Apart from arguing whether SY works, we could discuss about

> various

> > techniques we can use to cleanse our chacras, details concerning

> them

> > and instructions on SY " ceremonies " such as Havan etc. I happen

to

> > know some, and once I collect them I shall send them if anyone

is

> > inetrested.

> > Jai Shri Mataji

[Guest guest]

Dear Kyyan,

 

In everything we do in our daily lives, we use some form of ritual.

When we do the dishes, wash the car, or vacuum the floor, we

probably perform the task in the same 'ritualistic' manner. Rituals

are helpful because they help us perform tasks without having to

think about each step every time, as in when we first learn to drive

a car. Imagine if we had to remember each step we learned, every

time we want to drive a car!

 

Ritual, however, can become obsessive, when it is done over and over

again, mindlessly, for example, if you were to wash the car and then

wash the car again, and then wash the car for a third time. You

would have a really clean car, but where are You, where is Your

Spirit in all this?

 

Over the years, all the `cleansing rituals' in Sahaja Yoga

Organization have become like the car that you wash three times to

get it really clean. They became obsessive about it. I believe that

the lack of attention on the Divine Message has been over-

compensated for by obsessive attention to chakras, and instead of

having a balanced outlook, they have turned the organization into

all sorts of Hindu conditionings.

 

Here are some very enlightened Words of Shri Mataji, whereby She

states that the only way that you can find the Truth, is to

surrender to the Divine. Rituals don't give you the Truth. She also

talks about how people have become lost in all kinds of so-called

religions and rituals in their seeking for the Truth. Even Sahaja Yogis have to

be careful that they do not become lost in all kinds of rituals too: -

 

" Today, I bow to all the Sahaja Yogis who have found the Truth.

There has been, from ages, the seeking for the Truth. And when

people discovered that there is no other way but to surrender to the

Divine so that you can find the truth, they did not know how to do

it, how to work it out. There have been seekers all over the world…

Such darkness existed around people who were seeking. All over the

world I found, when I was a little girl, that they were completely

ignorant about how to find the truth; so many were lost in all kinds

of so-called religions and rituals. All kinds of rituals they used

to do, morning till evening, some sort of a ritual they would do.

Whether they were Hindus, Christians, Muslims, they all believed

that by doing all these rituals you will achieve something, that you

will know the Truth, that you will get your Self Realisation. All

such seekers went to wrong people and to wrong directions because

they were really seeking from their heart. So they were very misled

into such horrible black areas that they did not know what they were

seeking, what they are supposed to seek, what they have to have. "

 

(06. 05. 2001 - Cabella Ligure, Italia)

 

You can choose to do some `cleansing rituals' if you need to Kyyan.

You are your own guru and you know what is best for you. You will

not suffer, because you know that they are the means to an end; not

the end itself.

 

As you say, I myself used `cleansing rituals' and worked together with the Holy

Spirit/Kundalini to clear the obstructions until such time as I realized that

the Kundalini was managing just fine without relying on my manual help, but my

attention was on the Divine all along as well. Just as long as you also

surrender to the Divine, which is the Shakti or Adi Shakti within, She will work

it out for you.

 

If anyone just does the rituals and does not enter into a real

relationship with the Divine within, which is also the Adi Shakti (meaning

Primordial Power of God), they will get nowhere, as

Shri Mataji has said in Her Words above. These people can clear and

cleanse till they are blue in the face, but will not get anywhere.

 

Now in my life, the elements are working very naturally with me when

I look at the sky, walk with my feet in the ocean, sit on the grass

or perhaps meditate with a candle in front of me. But none of these

are obsessive. Now i usually meditate on the Shakti within, without

any accoutrements.

 

A lot of non-Hindu folks who want to become Sahaja Yogis will

definitely not go for all these Hindu-looking 'cleansing practices',

but they will understand the Message of the Last Judgment and

Resurrection very well. People such as Chuck have faith in God and

in the Holy Spirit to do the task for them, and the Holy Spirit is

doing the work within them.

 

However, if you still need to do the `clearing practices', Kyyan

that is fine. At least you know that as you also surrender to the Divine Mother,

there will come a day when the Kundalini will be able to clear you, without you

needing to rely on the 'clearing' practices.

 

Violet

 

 

, " v_koa " <v_koa>

wrote:

> Violet,

>

> I was curious.....it is said often, and rightfully so, that one

> should turn to the shakti within in order to escape all

falsehoods,

> clear blokages, heal wounds on all levels etc etc, but i am not

sure

> how one does that. To turn to the shakti within, how is that done

> exactly?

>

> Also i wanted to know if mantras, the divine mantras, are they

> rituals as well or is that turning to the shakti within, since

those

> very mantras connect us and activiate the dieties within us,which

> were all created by The shakti and all are all apart of her. I

mean

> those mantras help heal you and help strenthen many aspects of

> connection to the divine, so to me, as i write this, it seems that

> this may possible be hat is meant by leaving the rituals behind

and

> turning o the shakti within.

>

> Could u lease clarify and also touch on if the mantras are not

> included in the rituals of which we are speaking.

>

> Thank you

>

> Kyyan

>

> , " Violet "

<vtubb@b...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Michalis,

> >

> > Sahaja (means " born with you)... Yoga (means " union " ). Together

> they

> > mean that " this union you can have with God Almighty is 'born

with

> > you'.

> >

> > Shri Mataji named the Organization of Sahaja Yoga after

> this 'union

> > you can have with God Almighty that is born with you " .

> >

> > It would seem to me that it is yourself arguing with yourself

> about

> > whether Sahaja Yoga really works.

> >

> > When people experience the Divine within, with the Kundalini

doing

> > the clearing for them, why do they need to rely on rituals?

> >

> > Relying on rituals are only for those who need it, such as

> yourself,

> > who have obviously not yet truly turned to the Shakti within. i

> can say this because those who do turn to the Shakti within, find

> they do not have to rely on rituals.

> >

> > i am hearing a protest from you that this is not possible, but,

> yes it is. Here is what Chuck says about your post though, so i

> think it may give you something to meditate on, as he is a new

> Sahaja Yogi and you do not want to put him off, do you?

> >

> >

> > -

> > chuckhennigan@b...

> > Violet Tubb

> > Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:24 AM

> > Rituals

> >

> > Violet,

> >

> > You and Jagbir are providing a wonderful testimony to the truth.

I

> > cringed when these rituals are talked about by people on the web

> > site. I came upon this site quite truly by accident. I did not

and

> > have not gone to Church in years. I do not want to be corrupted

> into

> > thinking rituals will get people into Heaven and realizing the

true

> > Kingdom of God. It is only by realizing the Holy Spirit and a

> Bright

> > Light (God) Jagbir has referred to is in my physical body along

> with

> > my spirit that has transformed me as Jesus said (in a twinkling

of

> > an eye). It has nothing to do with candles or rituals and if I

> > thought it did, I would turn away from S.Y. I believe Shri Mataji

> > Nirmala Devi is a prophet sent by God to enlighten people in

these

> > last days. Self Realization and the cool breeze of the Holy

Spirit

> > is real. I have witnessed it. The Holy Spirit is teaching me,

(the

> > spirit), things everyday. The greatest gift I think I can give

> > people is Love. My Spirit has been conditioned by false teachings

> > from government schools, Churches, Governments themselves that

it

> is

> > so hard for people's hearts not be hardened like stones. With the

> > help of the Holy Spirit, I am trying to break away from these

> > conditionings. This cannot be done by anyone else. It has to come

> > from within.

> > I wanted to thank you and Jagbir for your truly wonderful work.

> >

> > Thank You Again,

> >

> > Chuck

> >

> >

> > Michalis, while we are on the subject of the relative importance

> of things, how important do you regard Shri Mataji's Great Message

> to be?

> >

> > If you are silent within the SY Organization on this point, i

have

> to say that you have got your priorities wrong. It is time you

speak

> up. You are putting so much emphasis on rituals, to the exclusion

of

> Shri Mataji's Divine Mission and Message of Spiritual

Emancipation.

> Do you realize that the Message of the Last Judgment and

Resurection

> are being ignored, even though this Last Judgment is happening

right

> now? Do you realize, that the leaders in SY are ignoring this

> Message to their own peril. Michalis, you must wake up and realize

> what is happening. Forget about your obsession about rituals, the

> real knowledge is WITHIN.

> >

> > i would also like to give you a bit of sisterly advice: -

> >

> > It is best to let us know a little bit about yourself, how long

> you have been in Sahaja Yoga, and how all your treatments etc.

have

> helped you in your spiritual walk. Maybe then we can understand

> where you are coming from. Most Sahaja Yogis here are happy to

> discuss things with you and also help you along.

> >

> > Kind regards,

> >

> > Violet

> >

> >

> > , " michalis_9 "

> > <michalis_9> wrote:

> >

> > > Apart from arguing whether SY works, we could discuss about

> > various

> > > techniques we can use to cleanse our chacras, details

concerning

> > them

> > > and instructions on SY " ceremonies " such as Havan etc. I

happen

> to

> > > know some, and once I collect them I shall send them if anyone

> is

> > > inetrested.

> > > Jai Shri Mataji

[Guest guest]

, " Violet " <vtubb@b...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Kyyan,

>

> In everything we do in our daily lives, we use some form of ritual.

> When we do the dishes, wash the car, or vacuum the floor, we

> probably perform the task in the same 'ritualistic' manner. Rituals

> are helpful because they help us perform tasks without having to

> think about each step every time, as in when we first learn to

> drive a car. Imagine if we had to remember each step we learned,

> every time we want to drive a car!

>

 

My pranaam, Violet, for this refreshing enlightenment which any SY or new seeker

can understand with clarity! Instead of loitering aimlessly on the plateau you

have correctly advised those seeking the Divine to start climbing right away by

providing the best route to take. Instead of being conditioned to be obsessive

about daily cleansing rituals you have told them to seek the help, protection

and guidance of the Shakti (Holy Spirit) within. These are the people who will

truly become self-realized souls, outsiders who will understand and, unlike SYs,

spread the Divine Message to others. Those seeking the Divine within in future

will not be interested in following external SY ceremonies and rituals which

have taken an overtly Hindu slant. But then if you advertise Sahaja Yoga as some

subtle system, good for health type of meditation then you cannot beat Hinduism.

Then why should any Christian, Jew or Muslim learn about Sahaja Yoga when even

Hindus are not the least interested in what official Sahaja Yoga has to offer?

 

As i have told many times before the only reason i have stayed on is because of

the Shakti and Her Divine Message to humanity. i would have left years ago if

Sahaja Yoga was about the subtle system and good health ................. as is

portrayed on all so-called

'officially recognized' websites. Why then do 99.99% of those given

self-realization leave within a short time despite all the hype about these

public programs? ANSWER: Even till today my wife still shudders from all the SY

ceremonies, rituals, treatments and diets she had to endure since SYs insisted

they were absolutely required for spiritual progress. We resented these SY

pandits who were as shallow in the knowledge of the Divine Message as the water

in the plastic container for footsoaking. Only the Shakti within was able to

lead me out and show me the way to ascend. Now i will never follow or obey any

external ritual or official authority again.

 

" You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. " So declared Jesus as

He was teaching the multitudes in the temple in Jerusalem. (John 8:32) Jesus'

apostles could readily identify Jesus' teachings as the truth. They had seen

abundant evidence of their teacher's divine origin. May we see the same in Shri

Mataji's teachings of the Last Judgment and Resurrection.

 

Jai Shri Mataji,

 

 

jagbir