What did vibrations (and common sense) say about four-candle havan invention?

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> , " michalis_9 "

> <michalis_9> wrote:

> >

> > Apart from arguing whether SY works, we could discuss about

> > various techniques we can use to cleanse our chacras, details

> > concerning them and instructions on SY " ceremonies " such as

> > Havan etc. I happen to know some, and once I collect them I

> > shall send them if anyone is interested.

> >

> > Jai Shri Mataji

>

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> Michalis,

>

> i doubt you understand what is happening and how conditioned SYs

> have become about rituals and treatments, which have acquired cult-

> like status and belief. No one seems to be bothered or even aware

> by the fact that many have been invented by SYs, not revealed by

> Shri Mataji. The ever popular candle havan is but the tip of the

> iceberg. When it first burst on the scene in the 90s SYs were

> thrilled through their tits. i just kept quiet and shook my head

> in disbelief. How was it possible for a ceremony as sacred as the

> havan be so easily corrupted, almost overnight, by stupid SYs >

> claiming to be self-realized souls? In that cleansing frenzy of

> the 90s to rid the body of catches SYs readily accepted any

> innovation. The invention of the candle havan could not have come

> earlier to thousands of spiritually sick SYs huddling in temperate-

> zone homes without fireplaces, as platoons of invisible bhoots

> attacked them from every nook and cranny. ...

>

> thousands readily accepted and performed the candle havan which

> Shri Mataji never sanctioned .... but was accepted because of the

> innovative will of a single ignorant SY.

>

> jagbir

 

Maxim Belyanin <m.belyanin

Tue Sep 6, 2005 2:07 pm

Re: DivineSahajayoga Re: Havan with candles

 

> Is there any news on the below? Can we perform such Havan's at home

> using candles?

 

Of course, no doubt about this. We here in Moscow do such havans for

15 years. They are very nice and full of vibrations.

 

Maxim Belyanin

 

 

" Hanna Turczyn-Zalewska " <hannaturczynzal

Tue Sep 6, 2005 1:48 am

Re: DivineSahajayoga Re: Havan with candles

 

Jay Shri Mataji!

 

Dear Sister Seeta I would not advise to perform Havan with candles.

Maybe - if you don`t have a possibility to perform it with a

bonfire - you can just use a paper burning technics. You can read

the whole discussion on that topic in divinesahajayoga group from

the post of Moderator to Aunty Shaku (2nd of September) .

 

Love

 

Hania

 

 

-

ramsita61us

divinesahajayoga

Monday, September 05, 2005 9:33 AM

DivineSahajayoga Re: Havan with candles

 

 

Dear Sister Hania,

 

Is there any news on the below? Can we perform such Havan's at home

using candles?

 

Thank you. Jai Shri Mataji.

 

Regards,

 

Seetha.

 

 

" ramsita61us " <sseet

Mon Sep 5, 2005 3:33 am

Re: Havan with candles

 

Dear Sister Hania,

 

Is there any news on the below? Can we perform such Havan's at home

using candles?

 

Thank you. Jai Shri Mataji.

 

Regards,

 

Seetha.

 

 

divinesahajayoga , " Hanna Turczyn Zalewska "

<hannaturczynzal@h...> wrote:

 

> Jay Shri Mataji!

> Thank you very much dear Raj brother:)

> Here this candle-havan was started by yogis. At that time we

> didn`t have the acces to any fire place and also it didn`t sound

> bad so we didn`t check. Now this question has to be resolved

> completely We will try to do this from

> our side and if someone can help would be great. I feel this is

> important because now we have many new yogis. So we heve to teach

> them the right things.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Hania

 

Divine Sahajayoga <divinesahajayoga

Fri Sep 2, 2005 9:57 am

Re: Regarding not to do 4 candles haven.

 

JaiShrimataji,

 

 

Check the following links for the discussions on Havan with Candles.

 

Regards

 

MV RAO

 

divinesahajayoga/message/1659

divinesahajayoga/message/1598

divinesahajayoga/message/1666

divinesahajayoga/message/1667

divinesahajayoga/message/1676

divinesahajayoga/message/1681

divinesahajayoga/message/1682

 

 

 

shaku Tandale <shatandale

wrote:

 

MV RAO! Please send me information about topic discuss

regarding not to do 4 candles haven. I did join this

group after that. Many thanks.

 

Aunty Shaku

 

 

" Hanna Turczyn-Zalewska " <hannaturczynzal

Mon Aug 8, 2005 2:15 am

Re: DivineSahajayoga Some questions

 

Jay Shri Mataji!

 

Dear brother,

 

The question about Sahaj Havan was answered fully long ago - elder

yogis heard from Shri Mataji that Havan with candles is the ego

product and the light of a candles is not proper for it. For good

instructions for doing havan you can ask Aunty Shaku if she can help

you.

 

Hanna

 

 

" Sakis " <mprgrandmaster

Sat Aug 6, 2005 9:48 am

Some questions

 

Jai Shri Mataji!

 

Dear brothers and sisters,

 

I hope under the blessings of Our Respected Mother you are all well!

I would like to discuss with you some matters.Please,feel free to

tell yuor opinions freely,use your common sense, knowledge and

vibratry awareness to answer.

 

a)What do you think about Chinese/Japanese techniques that work on

the energy meridians/energy field/Ki/Chi?I have found out an

interesting new Qi Gong system that is caled Falun afa.Pleazse,check

the vibrations and let me know? Also, what do you think about Reiki?

 

b)A question I have repeteadly asked but with no answer (at

least,satsfying) watsofar:Can someone please give me compete

instructons for the Sahaja Yoga havan? Can it be done with four

candles at home? What has Shri Mataji said?

 

Love,

A brother

 

 

raj <r_raj02

Sat May 22, 2004 10:10 am

Havan with candles

 

Jai Shree Mataji!

 

The Valaya site has some info on this. However, before doing it

please refer to any of the leaders / senior Sahajis on Shree

Mataji's advise on doing/ not doing Havan with candles.

 

raj

 

 

Hanna Turczyn Zalewska <hannaturczynzal wrote:

 

Hi, Latika

 

We do the home Havan like this. Take a big plate or wide shallow

bowl or some other flat item (metal, porcelane stone, clay... - not

plastic). Decorate it with kumkum - put Crosss, Swastica and Om

signs on it. The directions I don`t know. Maybe there are rules

telling that Swastica has to be at North side, Om at South and Cross

at East and West. Or maybe the other way round - please correct it

if anybody knows that rule. And also maybe we can do simpler

decoration with Om in the middle only for example.

 

Than put four candles in four " corners " (the item is usually

round not too close to each other and than put four (or less)

apples (or other fruits) around with incens in them (optionally - we

can put incens in anything). Light the candles and incens and

perform Havan as usually but without throwing rice.

 

And of course we do this in a presence of Mother so we sit around

the havan place in a half circle facing Mother`s photo. I don`t know

exactly which direction we put the altar but maybe to the East. So

we don`t face West during the Havan.

 

After the Havan we offer everything what is left - even the candles -

to the water. The plate is washed nad waits to another ocassion.

 

We can do home Havan also in a fireplace if we have any. With big

fire and with rice. But only the people sitting closest to the fire

are able to throw it directly to the fire so is better if other

yogis perform Havan without rice. Best wishes

 

your sister

 

Hania

 

 

 

raj <r_raj02

Tue May 25, 2004 1:15 am

Havan with candles

 

Jai Shree Mataji!

 

Dear Hanna,

 

In one of Shree Mataji's talk which I heard long back( a few years

ago) Shree Mataji made a passing remark to the effect that we should

do havan with fire and not candles. BUT please check this again with

other senior Sahajis/leaders as it was something Shree Mataji said

in passing but I stopped doing it after that. In any case please do

not feel guilty that you or others have been doing it as we are all

the time facing new challenges and improvise to situations around

us.The question is whether this was started by some yogis or taught

by Shree Mataji.I hope the older Sahajis could throw some light in

this subject....

 

regards

 

raj

 

 

 

Hanna Turczyn Zalewska <hannaturczynzal wrote:

 

Dear Raj,

 

Do you have any signals that Mother doesn`t permit Havan with

candles? In Poland since 1993 we sometimes do home candle Havans

(especially during winter) as I explained earlier. And we never

heard that it is not allowed. But of course we`ll stop doing this if

you have some sure knowledge about its prohibity.

 

Regards

 

Hania

 

 

 

 

raj [r_raj02]

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:45 AM

divinesahajayoga

[DivineSahajayoga] Havan with candles

 

 

Jai Shree Mataji!

 

Dear Hanna,

 

In one of Shree Mataji's talk which I heard long back( a few years

ago) Shree Mataji made a passing remark to the effect that we should

do havan with fire and not candles. BUT please check this again with

other senior Sahajis/leaders as it was something Shree Mataji said

in passing but I stopped doing it after that. In any case please do

not feel guilty that you or others have been doing it as we are all

the time facing new challenges and improvise to situations around

us.The question is whether this was started by some yogis or taught

by Shree Mataji.I hope the older Sahajis could throw some light in

this subject....

 

regards

 

raj

 

 

" Hanna Turczyn Zalewska " <hannaturczynzal

Tue May 25, 2004 10:51 am

Havan with candles

 

Jay Shri Mataji!

 

Thank you very much dear Raj brother:)

 

Here this candle-havan was started by yogis. At that time we didn`t

have the acces to any fire place and also it didn`t sound bad so we

didn`t check. Now this question has to be resolved completely We

will try to do this from our side and if someone can help would be

great. I feel this is important because now we have many new yogis.

So we heve to teach them the right things.

 

Best wishes

 

Hania

[Guest guest]

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> > Maxim Belyanin <m.belyanin@>

> > Tue Sep 6, 2005 2:07 pm

> > Re: DivineSahajayoga Re: Havan with candles

>

> > Is there any news on the below? Can we perform such Havan's at home

> > using candles?

>

 

> Of course, no doubt about this. We here in Moscow do such havans for

> 15 years. They are very nice and full of vibrations.

>

> Maxim Belyanin

>

 

Just in case we miss the point the email above came yesterday. Even 15

years is insufficient for subtle system pandits to come to their

senses. We just have no idea how much Her teachings about treatments

have been corrupted. All i can say is that Shri Mataji paid little

emphasis and importance on these rituals, providing even less

knowledge on how to carry them out. Yet SYs today have somehow managed

to build a large library of ceremonies and techniques to deal with

almost anything that ails a human.

 

Now, if Shri Mataji revealed so little about treatments, why and how

have human egos added so much of their own ignorance? ANSWER: As

Violet explained earlier, for most SYs the subtle system is all they

can talk about. Surely all this energy and attention is bound to bring

forth answers to solve problems. The four-candle havan is nothing

compared to the disease of multiple catches, the weird analysis of its

cause, and the complicated sequence of treatments to cure the

unfortunate victim. Who wants to join Sahaja Yoga which renders you

spiritually sick for years ........................... with no relief

in sight. It is a daily dose of footsoaking, shoebeating, candle

treatment, matka, diet and what not to rid oneself of the ceaseless

catches. Who then has the time and energy to learn about the Divine

Message and spread it to humanity?

 

regards,

 

 

jagbir