Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 , " michalis_9 " <michalis_9> wrote: > > I must apologize I didn't introduce myself yesterday. I started SY > 1,5 years ago, having less than a clue about the religious side of > it. I left a month later because my friends wouldn't tell me who > Shri Mataji exactly is. They were telling that she is a woman that > was born with her Self Realization. Then I found out that SY was > herretic and left the very same day. I took up yoga to become more > concetrated and because it would help me get rid of negativity I > got from using tarrot cards. > > A year later I took it up again, now fully aware that who Shri > Mataji claims to be, and under the affection of some coinsidences > that took place then. It's been some months now, and I thing I > progressed well. Untill two months ago when I had to go and leave > with my parents and was unable to meditate. Now I am back and > start meditating again, slowly but steadily. I have found loads of > talks and interesting forums such adishakti.org that helped me > understand a lot of things. Yet I find that day by day I > understand them more and more easily. > > Please don't consider me as a ritual obsessed guy. I just want to > find out as many I can. > Dear Michalis, Self-realized souls do not behave the way SYs do. Spiritual seekers do not hide the truth the way SYs do. Throughout history the followers of saints, sages and prophets have been far more brave and honest about their gurus. They have always proudly announced their faith loud and clear to the multitudes, even willingly giving up their lives to uphold and protect their beliefs. But management SYs have induced thousands of Her devotees to openly lie and be dishonest about who Shri Mataji really is and Her Divine Message. It is as if Satan himself has brilliantly succeeded and able to exert that much power as he fights against God Almighty's promise of eternal life to all His children. The SYs you have met or the official websites you have searched will not tell you the truth that: According to Aaron-Golan in The Illustrated Bible Dictionary, " The coming eschatological salvation is envisaged in transcendent and universal terms (of the Divine Message to humanity) .... in the form of both bodily resurrection (Kundalini awakening) and of spiritual immortality (Moksa). " The Torah contains several references to " the End of Days " (achareet ha-yameem), which is the time of the moshiach (Messiah). As Messiah She fulfils this ancient Jewish prophecy. As Comforter/Holy Spirit promised by Lord Jesus She completes His teachings and commences the Last Judgment. As Mahdi/Ruh She proclaims the Great News of the Resurrection (surah 75 Al-Qiyamah). " Great News: usually understood to mean the News or Message of the Resurrection. " (Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Quran) As Maitreya She fulfils the prophecy to renew Buddha's work. " Relying on certain Mahayana Buddhist citations and quotations ... the fifth Buddha will be Maitreya Buddha. " — the Dalai Lama As the Shakti entrenched in the holy scriptures, She synthesizes all religions into a single shared path of the Sanatana Dharma. Michalis, why then should you listen to dishonest people and follow the countless rituals they have invented, rituals that will make you feel ignorant of knowledge? It will take you years, perhaps even not at all, to realize and understand the true nature of the Shakti (Holy Spirit) within and Her Divine Message. At our forums and websites we are doing what the vast majority of SYs have refused to do ever since Shri Mataji told them: " Tell all the nations and tell all the people, all over, the Great Message - that the time of Resurrection is here. Now, at this time, and that you all are capable of doing it. You are the ones who are capable of manifesting God's joy on this earth. You are the flutes, which are going to play the Melody of God. I am doing all this to perfect you to the most beautiful instruments of God. " Christians and Muslims know that only Satan is capable of preventing God Almighty's Divine Plan for humanity. So you may either follow what Shri Mataji wants you to do or pretend She is a self-realized woman who knows about the subtle system. Most SYs follow the later because management SYs/WCASY do not want to " Tell all the nations and tell all the people, all over, the Great Message - that the time of Resurrection is here. " Michalis, you can either do God Almighty's Will or the Will of WCASY. Choose wisely because you own salvation is at stake! Jai Shri Mataji jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Dear Jagbir, First of all, what is WCASY. And secondly don't exaggerate. My friends didn't introduce me to countless rituals nor are they dishonest. Their tendecy to hide their religional beliefs stems from the less than tolerant society we all live. I myself didn't tell anyone apart from acouple of close relatives. THey certainly don't think Shri Mataji is just a realised woman. That was what I was told so that I won't run away screaming. For believe it or not, here in Greece most people are likely to do that and this is not realy helping the spreading of Divine Message but doing the contrary. Today one of them told that Sri Mataji said not to tell people straight forwards who she is, but tell them that she is extremely special and suggest they do some research on the subject. Now as for your so called theory that we sould rely totally on the Kundaliny ascent, your countless messages are a bit controversial. Why tell people so much when Shri Mataji said that we souldn't rely our knowledge on Her talks but on the effect Kundaliny has on our brain. I'll tell you why. Because most of the SY are not there. The same reason we need techniques. We are not yet so progressed so as to drop techniques. Shri Mataji said that 80% of our problems are to vanish if we do footsoaking everynight. And She told us to shoebeat our ego, superego and various bhoots. Finally, I'm telling this for the last time. I don't believe Shri Mataji is a mere realised woman nor do I follow countless rituals. You overreact and fanatism is not that good. And please stop suggesting things about my beliefs with no evidence at hand. That's realy disapointing you know because I've learnt so much from your site and never expected such a conditioned person behind the forums Michalis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 , " michalis_9 " <michalis_9> wrote: > Dear Jagbir, > > First of all, what is WCASY. WCASY is the World Council for the Advancement of Sahaja Yoga. They now claim to present the Will of Shri Mataji, a preposterous announcement that few want to protest. > And secondly don't exaggerate. My friends didn't introduce me to > countless rituals i am not exaggerating, and i am speaking in general about catches, treatments and other rituals. How can you say so when you have just spent a month doing Sahaja Yoga? i know SYs who are still footsoaking daily after 15 years in Sahaja Yoga, with regular shoebeating and what not. There are SYs who are afraid to leave their houses unless they have this and that protection. There are many more horror stories than i care to remember. Just ask the doctors at the SY clinic at Vashi, India and you will know what i am talking. BTW, countless rituals are as numerous as the diseases humans suffer from, excluding the mental and social problems they suffer. Aunty Shaku just discovered how to lose weight with candles. Maybe that way you will understand that i really did not exaggerate. > nor are they dishonest. Their tendecy to hide their religional > beliefs stems from the less than tolerant society we all live. Maybe you think Jesus was a fool to proclaim the truth before a far more barbaric society. Maybe He should have become a coward like SYs today because of the less tolerant society. But He single-handedly stood against an entire nation out to kill Him because of His message. In the end He paid with with life for refusing to compromise, and died a most horrible death. You think SYs are facing the same mortal danger? > I myself didn't tell anyone apart from acouple of close relatives. > They certainly don't think Shri Mataji is just a realised woman. > That was what I was told so that I won't run away screaming. It is far better humans run away from the truth of the Divine Message than stay on because of lies that Sahaja Yoga is about improved health and less stress. But, anyway, you still left despite the dishonesty. Yet you have come back because of the truth. What are you trying to say? > For believe it or not, here in Greece most people are likely to do > that and this is not realy helping the spreading of Divine Message > but doing the contrary. This is a dumb and dishonest solution that is being parroted by those who cannot tell the truth upfront. We are the only devotees in history who are made to believe that we should lie for the truth. You cannot get more hypocritical than that, especially if you claim to be self-realized. > Today one of them told that Sri Mataji said not to tell people > straight forwards who she is, but tell them that she is extremely > special and suggest they do some research on the subject. Shri Mataji told SY way back in the early 1980s to: " Tell all the nations and tell all the people, all over, the Great Message - that the time of Resurrection is here. " 1982 " Declare to all the nations now that I am the Holy Ghost and I have come for this special time, that is the resurrection time. " Birthday Puja Talk, Sydney, 21 Mar. 1983 No SY was willing to do just that. She continued telling SYs on other occasions but to no avail. Over the years She just gave up and, as suggested by SYs, agreed that SYs should " tell them that she is extremely special and suggest they do some research on the subject. " Remember what i am telling you: as suggested by SYs She agreed to being extremely special. Tell your friends to tell such stories to the newcomers and ignorant. > > Now as for your so called theory that we sould rely totally on > the Kundaliny ascent, your countless messages are a bit > controversial. Why tell people so much when Shri Mataji said that > we souldn't rely our knowledge on Her talks but on the effect > Kundaliny has on our brain. This is rubbish. You and your friends are now saying that we should not rely our knowledge on Her talks!!! Are you sure you are alright when you say so? Didn't She mean that the Mother Kundalini should enlighten the Pure Knowledge that is now lodged in your brains? Does all these years of footsoaking and shoebeating make them that wise? Is this the progress that years of ritualistic cleansing brings? Looks like 80% of their problems did not vanish even after doing footsoaking every night. .............. for years!!!! > I'll tell you why. Because most of the SY are not there. The > same reason we need techniques. We are not yet so progressed so as > to drop techniques. Shri Mataji said that 80% of our problems are > to vanish if we do footsoaking everynight. And She told us to > shoebeat our ego, superego and various bhoots. > i know 100% that Shri Mataji is against all this ritualistic and mechanical cleansing. In one talk She told what is the use of doing Sahaja Yoga when you have to footsoak every day. This only makes sense to the very few who are there. FYI, they are there because they left rituals, bhoots, catches, badhas, left-sided cats, possessed dogs etc., and surrendered all problems to Shri Mataji and the Kundalini. > Finally, I'm telling this for the last time. I don't believe Shri > Mataji is a mere realised woman nor do I follow countless rituals. > You overreact and fanatism is not that good. And please stop > suggesting things about my beliefs with no evidence at hand. > That's realy disapointing you know because I've learnt so much > from your site and never expected such a conditioned person behind > the forums > That's a great gift to someone who just told you the plain truth. But i cannot do otherwise as that is the duty assigned to me. As i told others before, i am a SY night-soil carrier. Some people do not like the stench and curse me ............ instead of the excrement that belongs to others. regards, jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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