Michalis, why are you not spreading Shri Mataji's Great Message...

[Guest guest]

Dear Michalis,

 

i now withdraw my apology to you. My first impression that you just

want to argue was correct.

 

i suggest you turn to the Shakti within, the author of Sahaja Yoga,

not to more and more treatments, because they are useless unless you

also surrender to your individual Mother.

 

When you surrender to the Mother within, Michalis, you will experience

peace.

 

You are looking too much outside of yourself where all is Maya or

Illusion. It is only when you turn within that you will have the

Realization of your Connection of your Spirit.

 

Please do this for your own Spirit and peace of mind within.

 

 

Kind regards,

Violet

[Guest guest]

Dear Violet and Jagbir,

 

Apologies are not meant to be withdrew you know. I have read a quote

whrere Shri Mataji said that we should know the subtle system and

how it works so as to spread Her message. Of course I believe that

it is our Mother inside us that does everything and all we need is

to ask Her. But before that She has to go through our subtle system

to nourish. Why not try to keep it neat and clean to please Her? I

know it is the attention of ours that She all cares about. The way I

think meditation shoulb be like is 5 minutes cleansing techniques

and 15 pure meditation. Shri Mataji said that She would prefer to

STOP TALKING. Not because it is bad, but because we DON'T NEED IT!

Once She enters our brain She will teach us everything and nothing

compared to the quotes. BUT most of us have not yet let Her teach us

and we still search quotes. You prefer to send numerous mails about

all kinds of things (sorry, except " rituals " ) than tell people to

turn within and they will learn all your keyboards have ever typed

to the power of tenth (for a start). I should recognise of course

that you are right for what Shri Mataji said about us telling people

Who She is.

 

Jagbir have you read Christ's life? Maybe the translation wasn't

very good. I've read the original and He didn't tell even the

apostoles who He was at first. And when He did he forbode them to

tell anyone. Of course He declared Himself later. And don't ever

again suggest that I reckon Christ to be what you said I may do.

 

Both of you can go on beeing as conditioned as anyone can get, fine

with me. You should be phycologists you know. Only they think they

know everything about a person they barely know. And by the way I'm

not doing SY for a month and I didn't know who Shri Mataji was when

I left at the first place.

 

I should do what Sakis suggested. It is your group and if you want

me to be conditioned, ritual-obsessed etc in here, there is nothing

I can/care do.

 

Jai Shri Mataji!

[Guest guest]

, " michalis_9 "

<michalis_9> wrote:

>

> Dear Violet and Jagbir,

>

> Apologies are not meant to be withdrew you know. I have read a

> quote whrere Shri Mataji said that we should know the subtle

> system and how it works so as to spread Her message.

 

Violet made a mistake apologizing to you because she is a good

natured person who does not like to hurt the feelings of fellow

humans. In fact i wanted to say so on the forum but just thought it

is alright. There was no need for her to apologize because she realy

never said anything harsh or hurtful. By that standard it was me who

should be apologizing but what is there to apologize for ........

unless of course, telling the plain truth is something that hurts.

 

Anyway, can you give a single 'official' website that says the

following, and claim She is the Adi Shakti sent to deliver the

Divine Message?:

 

 

" But I myself feel, as predicted by many, that possibly because

of your understanding and your wisdom, I am sure something great may

happen in this world and things may be brought to a proper level of

understanding of spirituality because this is the Last Judgment and

in this Last Judgment you have to play a very vital role which I am

sure you can do it, if you decide to achieve something for the

future. May God bless you. "

 

Shri Samhrtasesa-Pasanda Devi

Cabella, Italy. September 27, 1998

(Samhrtasesa-Pasanda [355th]: Destroyer of all non-believers.)

 

 

" But these are special time, the Blossom Time. They call it the

Last Judgment, you can call it the Resurrection Time, you can call

it the Qiyamah, they call it in Koran. It is said that people will

come out of their graves and will get their Resurrection. I mean

what is left to the graves is nothing but a few stones and a few

bones. No! All these souls which are dead will take their birth,

take human body and take their Realization in these special times.

This is a sensible thing to say and is also happening. "

 

Shri Siddhesvari Devi

Moscow, Russia, November 12, 1993

 

 

" The Last Judgment has started. We are facing the Last Judgment

today. We are not aware of it. And all the satanic forces have come

out like the wolves in sheep clothes. And they are trying to attract

you and you do not judge them. You only sit down and judge the

Reality. It has started, it is a fact. It has started. "

 

Shri Kama-Rupini Devi

Kingston, U.K., June 11, 1980

Kama-Rupini (796th): She is of the form of Will,

" Iccha-Sakti, to create the Universe or She is one who can assume

any form at will. "

 

 

" This is a living process, invaluable process, you cannot

pay. Also the Knowledge which makes you a Sahaja Yogi is given

absolutely free of charge . . . There is no money that can be paid

for this living process . . . They should also understand that this

is the Golden Age of Emancipation, Resurrection and Last Judgment.

If we can achieve it all of us including them also will have the

Blessings of the Divine Love which have been promised a long time

back. "

 

Shri Malini Devi

 

 

" The main thing that one has to understand is that the time has

come for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not only

in the Bible but all the scriptures of the world. The time has come

today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a Pir, through

your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way. And that your

Last Judgment is also now. "

 

Shri Supta Devi

The Message Of Christ,

London, U.K., December 10, 1979

 

 

" Actually we have to understand that this Kundalini is your own

Mother. She has been with you in your past. She knows all about you,

about your aspirations, about your future everything She knows!

And She is just waiting for an opportunity to give you your second

birth. Now think how a Mother behaves. But She is a Holy Mother. She

has no hatred for you just Love and Love and Love. She wants to

give you Self-Realization . . .

 

Take it up seriously. It is very serious. You must respect your Self-

Realization. This is a chance which you should not miss. This is the

Last Judgment. So be careful. "

 

Shri Madhyama Devi

You Must Fight For Innocence

Cabella, Italy, September 15, 1996

 

 

" People do not know what Time has come. It is the Last Chance.

You won't get anymore chance. In Bible it has been described as the

Last Judgment. "

 

Shri Nirupama Shri Nirmala Devi Delhi, India, August 18, 1979

Nirupama (389th): Unequalled

 

 

" This is the Last Judgment! Either you go to Heaven or you'll go

to Hell. It's already working out like that. Now let's see where are

you. I have to again and again tell you as your Mother. I have to

correct you and tell you that remember: This is the Last Judgment

and please do not take anymore to the activities which are

Antichrist. "

 

Shri Vyaktavyakta-svarupini Devi

Give Up Your Antichrist Behavior, Christmas Puja, India Dec 25, 1996

 

 

" Though you can understand that Mother's Love makes it very easy

for you to get to your Realization and that the whole story of Last

Judgment which looks such a horrifying experience has been made

very beautiful, and very tender, and delicate, and does not disturb

you. "

 

Shri Prema-rupa Devi

Kundalini And Kalki Shakti, Bombay, India, Sept 28, 1979

Prema-rupa (730th): Love or affection or Bhakti is one of Her

aspects.

 

 

" In between Jesus Christ and His destroying incarnation of

Mahavishnu called as Kalki there is a time given to human beings to

rectify themselves; for them to enter into the Kingdom of God which

in the Bible is called as Last Judgment, that you will be judged,

all of you, will be judged on this Earth. The population of the

Earth is at the maximum these days because all those, practically

all those, who had aspirations to enter into the Kingdom of God are

born in Modern Times, and are going to be born very soon. This is

the most important times because Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgment.

It is fantastic to hear this but that's the fact it is the

Truth. "

 

Shri Chideka-Rasa Rupini Devi

Kundalini And Kalki Shakti, Bombay, India, September 28, 1979

 

Chideka-Rasa-Rupini (364th): Experience as attributeless

consciousness. Chit is not merely a matter of knowledge but a matter

of experience as bliss, Ananda component in the Sat, Chit, Ananda.

The highest state of consciousness therefore is not a thing merely

to be known, but is to be experienced.

 

 

" Of course there are some absurd things which grew with

misinterpretation and interference from unholy people, which are

common in these religions. For example, Jews, Christian and Muslims

believe that when they die their bodies will come out of their

graves and they will all be resurrected at the Time of Resurrection,

at the Time of Last Judgment, at the Time of Qiyamah. It is

illogical to think what will remain inside those graves after five

hundred years. Nobody wants to think and understand that it is not

the body but the soul that will come out of these bodies, be born

again as human beings and be saved through Qiyamah and

Resurrection. "

 

Shri Gudanna-prita-manasa Devi

 

 

" The Time has come for you to get all that is promised in the

scriptures, not only in the Bible but all the scriptures of the

world. The Time has come today that you have to become a Christian,

a Brahmin, a Pir, through your Kundalini awakening only. There is no

other way out and your Last Judgment is also now. Only through

Kundalini awakening God is going to judge you. "

 

Shri Canda-Mundasura-Nisudini Devi

The Message Of Christ,

London, U.K., December 10, 1979

 

 

" The Indian sage, who may be called the pioneer in this field,

was the first great astrologer Bhrigumuni. In his book Nadi Granth,

he made clear predictions about these Modern Times. He also

specifically predicted how the Kundalini would be awakened

spontaneously through Sahaja Yoga, that is, spontaneous union with

the Divine, and become the means of both individual and collective

transformation on a large scale, through teaching incarnation of a

great Yogi. This Yogi would be an unparalleled master of the

Kundalini and would teach all the people the ancients secrets of

self-transformation. These are the times described in the Holy Bible

as the Last Judgment and in the Koran as Qiyamah, the Resurrection

Time. Astrologically it also called the Age of Aquarius, the Time of

Rebirth and of great spiritual development on the Earth. "

 

Shri Dyuti-Dhara Devi

(Dyuti-Dhara [765th]: The container of Light or Knowledge.)

 

 

 

 

> Of course I believe that it is our Mother inside us that does

> everything and all we need is to ask Her.

 

Can you quote one 'official' website that claims so?

 

 

> But before that She has to go through our subtle system to

> nourish. Why not try to keep it neat and clean to please Her? I

> know it is the attention of ours that She all cares about. The way

> I think meditation shoulb be like is 5 minutes cleansing

> techniques and 15 pure meditation.

 

What is that 'dirt' that needs to be cleansed daily? Why is that SYs

are always feeling dirty and guilty that they need to sanitize their

subtle system every day? Why are they so afraid of attracting

negativity from all sorts of people and situations? Why is that

there are SYs who will not sit next to certain brothers/sisters

because they will catch? Why are so many suffering from subtle

system Automysophobia?

 

What is the cause of subtle system Automysophobia?

 

Like all fears and phobias, subtle system automysophobia is created

by the unconscious mind as a protective mechanism. At some point in

your past conditioning, there was likely a sustained indoctination

linking being dirty with attracting negativity i.e, catches. Whilst

the original catalyst may have been a real-life scare of some kind,

the condition can also be triggered by myriad, benign events like

unfortunate unself-realized humans, drunks, possessed dogs, pregnant

cats, scary movies, uncensored TV, or perhaps seeing someone else

experience the trauma of bhoots attacking SYs in broad daylight.

 

But so long as the negative association is powerful enough, the

unconscious mind thinks: " Ahh, this whole thing is very dangerous.

How do I keep myself from getting in this kind of situation again? I

know, I'll attach terrible feelings to being dirty if I do not

footsoak and shoebeat daily in future and so be safe. " Just like

that subtle system automysophobia is born. Attaching emotions to

situations is one of the primary ways that humans become

conditioned. Sometimes we just get our wiring wrong from dry,

conditioned SYs and join them as there is security in numbers. Any

suggestion from others that this phobia is all mental will always be

met with hostility.

 

 

> Shri Mataji said that She would prefer to STOP TALKING. Not

> because it is bad, but because we DON'T NEED IT!

 

Yes, Shri Mataji said we should not be talking about petty and

frivolous things. She always said we _must_ talk about Sahaja Yoga

all the times, even admonishing that SYs rarely do so. Maybe you did

not come across this:

 

" Talk about Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga is not part time, it is not a

side issue, it should be always with you. wherever you get a chance

you have to talk about Sahaja Yoga, you have to work it out "

 

Shri Mataji

 

" I know people who get up at four o'clock, have their bath, do

meditation, sit down. In the night again, they sit down for

meditation, but they never go out, they never talk to others,

they never spread Sahaja Yoga. "

 

Shri Mataji

 

" So why not the good job of Sahaja Yoga? It has to spread, it has to

go to various places. Try and find out where you can go and talk

about it and do something good to others and help them somehow to

rise above this common existence of misery, unhappiness and

destruction. The time is very short and, I think, if you see the

time, the rate at which we are moving is not proper. We have to be

much faster, we have to go much ahead and we have to create much

more Sahaja Yogis through our consistent, very intensive effort. But

it's a side issue, by the way, Sahaja Yoga is by the way. And

this is where we are failing in our responsibility. "

 

Shri Mataji

 

 

" It's a very big thing because you are children of the Adi

Shakti. You are here and your Mother is here. It's a very, very

fortunate thing for Me that you are here. I'm very proud of you,

but again and again I have to tell you that the work has to be with

a faster speed, we have to move with a faster speed and get more

people to Sahaja Yoga. It is rather, rather difficult for Me to say

something forcefully. That's not My nature, you know. Can't

get into tempers and cannot get angry and I cannot forcefully say

something to you, But if you fail, then only thing will be that you

have failed Me completely. It means that, nothing less than that.

And if you don't want to do it, then I would request all of you

to take a vow today, that you spread Sahaja Yoga and you will talk

about Sahaja Yoga, know about Sahaja Yoga. There are many who

don't know anything. Also it is very surprising, they are Sahaja

Yogis, they don't know anything. "

 

Shri Mataji

 

 

i can get many more quotes where She wants us to talk but i believe

i have made my point that you just want to argue and expose your own

ignorance. For someone who just came into Sahaja Yoga for a month or

so you sure think you know a lot.

 

BTW, we are not even talking as you have meant and i don't think

hitting the keys and clicking the mouse can be legally challenged

as " talking " .

 

 

> Once She enters our brain She will teach us everything and nothing

> compared to the quotes. BUT most of us have not yet let Her teach

> us and we still search quotes. You prefer to send numerous mails

> about all kinds of things (sorry, except " rituals " ) than tell

> people to turn within and they will learn all your keyboards have

> ever typed to the power of tenth (for a start).

>

 

i have so little quotes about what Shri Mataji said about treatments

i.e., in Her own words. Ask you friends to find those quotes. i mean

quote Her saying that we must do this treatment to lose weight, that

treatment to cure cock-eye, and that treatment for bad breath. i too

want quotes to confirm authenticity. Don't give me that " we were

told by SYs " blanket stamp of approval.

 

 

> I should recognise of course that you are right for what Shri

> Mataji said about us telling people Who She is.

>

 

Try convincing your friends/leader to do the same. Why do they

induce others to lie for the sake of truth?

 

> Jagbir have you read Christ's life? Maybe the translation wasn't

> very good. I've read the original and He didn't tell even the

> apostoles who He was at first. And when He did he forbode them to

> tell anyone. Of course He declared Himself later. And don't ever

> again suggest that I reckon Christ to be what you said I may do.

>

 

Shri Mataji opened the Sahasasa May 5, 1970 and never told anyone

about it. Then in the late 70s and 80s She openly started saying who

She was, and told SYs to do the same. So what is the point you are

trying to make?

 

> Both of you can go on beeing as conditioned as anyone can get,

> fine with me. You should be phycologists you know. Only they think

> they know everything about a person they barely know. And by the

> way I'm not doing SY for a month and I didn't know who Shri Mataji

> was when I left at the first place.

>

 

We are trying to tell SYs not to get conditioned by all these

treatments and rituals. i am sure we are not suffering from subtle

system Automysophobia like others. Both my wife and myself feel so

much relaxed and guilt-free now after giving up all these catch

conditionings and catch cleansing rituals imposed by senior SYs when

we just joined Sahaja Yoga. We used to feel and think we also must

be sick with some subtle system sickness because every Tom, Dick and

Harry was. Fortunately we refused to listen and were vindicated when

we heard Shri Mataji saying, what is the point of doing Sahaja Yoga

if you have to footsoak every day?

 

And Michalis we never said we know everything about you. It is you

who is putting words in our mouths and claiming we said so.

 

 

> I should do what Sakis suggested. It is your group and if you want

> me to be conditioned, ritual-obsessed etc in here, there is

> nothing I can/care do.

>

 

We are trying to tell SYs not to get conditioned by all these

treatments and rituals. i am sure we are not suffering from subtle

system Automysophobia like the others. Both my wife and myself feel

so much relaxed and guilt-free now after giving up all these catch

conditionings and catch cleansing rituals imposed by senior SYs when

we just joined Sahaja Yoga. As Shri Mataji said, what is the point

of doing Sahaja Yoga if you have to footsoak every day?

 

BTW, we feel so much better in mind, body and soul that we are

upholding the Divine Message and declaring the advent of Shri Mataji

as She wanted done in the beginning. This forum is not for those who

want to publicly claim that Shri Mataji is a self-realized woman who

founded Sahaja Yoga to heal people of various diseases and reduce

stress. You will not be the first to leave this forum because your

subtle system conditionings make you unable to tell the Truth. We

are plain not interested in the ceaseless chatter of catches and

cures.

 

regards,

 

 

jagbir