Chakras and cleansing techniques have now become official teaching.

September 16, 2005

, " Violet " <vtubb@b...>

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> In my understanding, teachings about clearing, etc. were not part

> of the Official Message of Shri Mataji. She only ever talked about

> these in private mostly and to specific individuals mostly....

>

> However, to my understanding, She never stood on a platform and

> started instructing lectures on it.

>

> SY's were so desperate for specific instructions (to get it right)

> that painstaking work was done to get this into a book. Questions

> were asked of Shri Mataji to fill in the missing pieces, in order

> to get it right. I always had the impression that people somewhat

> not quite nice when trying to extract specific information from

> Shri Mataji about these subjects. i always felt it was like a

> Mother, who only gave you what She thought you should know for a

> specific problem....

>

> There were times when Shri Mataji gave some instruction to one

> person to help them 'clear' and then everyone else took on that

> instruction and did the very same thing. Later, Shri Mataji asked

> why everyone was also doing that technique. She was told that

> because She had told it to someone. Then Shri Mataji said, that

> no, it was for that person, not for another person. Shri Mataji

> might have given one technique to help a person and a completely

> different one for another person (like medicine is done)....

>

> Shri Mataji talked about the attention. At first, we for

> example could do chakra clearing manually. Then, later, if we just

> put our attention there, it would clear, so the attention could

> take over the work automatically....

>

> Sahaja Yoga is not about chakra cleansing though. Sahaja Yoga is

> about the spiritual birthright that we all have. About spiritual

> evolution. People have become stuck on chakra clearing and perhaps

> this can be seen to be just as obsessive as if someone is always

> washing their hands, because they feel they can never become

> clean....

>

> For those who are truly enlightened, this emphasis and people's

> writing in and wanting to discuss chakras above all, is anathema.

> It shows a fixation on a part of a whole system, rather than the

> understanding of the whole. Shri Mataji wanted us to have a

> Wholistic Understanding....

>

> As Jesus said, " Your faith will make you whole " . Only faith in

> God, in the Divine, in our Spirit will get us through. It is not

> up to us to thrust 'chakra clearing' down other people's throats.

>

> Shri Mataji usually only taught about 'chakra clearing' in little

> groups when people just couldn't clearly connect with their

> Spirit....

>

> The fact that Shri Mataji in the early days, told the very damaged

> individuals that they must put their feet into saltwater buckets

> to clear them, doesn't mean She says this for all time to all

> people. She was talking to those people in front of Her. She was

> not giving an Official Message for All Time. There is a

> difference. It was only for those people in front of Her. And yet,

> this has now become Official Teaching, which Shri Mataji never

> made it, now in Organization Subtle System Sahaja Yoga.

>

Dear Violet,

You are absolutely right that chakras and cleansing techniques have

now become official teaching.

In what i consider to be Her last puja speech Shri Mataji talked in

detail about meditation. Not even once did She mention anything

about catches, treatments and rituals, topics that many SYs daily

live and swear by. Why is Her speech in contrast to what they want

new seekers to believe and practise daily? What have all these SYs

doing daily treatmens and cleansing got to say about Shri Mataji's

complete disregard for such rituals? Is it because She too knows

these cleansing rituals are rampant and wants to stamp them out too?

May daily footsoaking SYs read this Diwali Puja, November 2, 2002,

Los Angeles, USA talk by Shri Mataji and see for themselves. Hope

they will realize their imbalance, or at least stop forcing it down

the throats of newcomers. i do not mind them doing so but PLEASE do

not make others follow and become just as conditioned and ignorant.

Jai Shri Mataji,

jagbir

" Have faith that the Divine will give you the light, will guide your

path, will take you to the right place, to do the right thing.

We are collective, we are nice to each other, we don't tell lies, we

don't try to destroy anyone. That means we are much above human

failings and this is only because of the light. You can see where

you are faltering. It's just you see for yourself. For that, I think

meditation is the most important thing.

Every day you should do meditation. Those who do not do meditation

are capable of falling down because meditation is like putting oil

into the lamp. Those who do not meditate, think they can do without

it, are sadly mistaken. They have to meditate morning and evening.

The problem is everything comes so handily, so simple that they

don't understand that meditation is very important.

Not you, but there are many I know who get Realization, who don't

meditate and their style is different. Their nature is different.

Meditation is such a soothing thing, a beautiful way of connection

with the Divine, that all your problems get solved in that

meditative moment.

If you are not meditating, you are not following meditation, then

maybe your light will go down. It won't give sufficient light. It's

important, very important to find out about yourself, about others

in the meditation. How to do meditation, many people ask. Don't do

anything, just go into thoughtless awareness. Try to go to the

thoughtless awareness. If you can get into that condition of

thoughtless awareness, you can do your job because that's the point

where you are with the truth, with the reality, with the joy.

When you meditate try not to make some sort of a function out of it -

no. Meditation is something silent in yourself, silence in your

thoughts and going to that deep ocean which is within you, itself.

But supposing you don't do that, if you don't meditate I can make

out immediately those who are meditating and those who are not. It's

not difficult for Me.

Those who do not meditate are always hesitating. They are confused.

They can't understand. And that's why meditation is the most

important thing.

Just like a light burns with the electricity flowing in it, in the

same way meditation is a continuous availability of the Divine

Force. That will reduce all your agitations. Not only that, but it

takes out all the negative thoughts. It takes out all the

discouraging things. And when you are meditating like that,

thoughtless awareness, then you will be amazed how you are helped

from within and without. It's a terrible power that works, this

thoughtless awareness.

So those who do not meditate cannot go very much far with the

advantage of Sahaj Yoga. If you are in thoughtless awareness, what

happens to you is that you get the confidence, complete confidence

of divinity. You know you have it.

Meditation will give you security. It will give you are a real

enlightenment and a complete connection with the Divine. Without the

connection of the Divine, what's the use of doing Sahaj Yog?

I've talked so much about meditation before, but today when I see

all these candles burning, I think they are all meditating. They are

all in meditation and that's how they're growing. In the same way,

Sahaja Yogis who meditate, I know. And those who don't, I know. And

if they have problems, I know why the problems are there.

It's very important to become thoughtlessly aware because then there

are no thoughts coming from the left or the right, from the [past]

or the future. Just in the present you are there. It's something you

all have. It's not that I'm saying that to you, but all of you have

this, but steady yourself. You have to steady yourself at

thoughtless awareness. How long - that's not the point. The point is

once you've touched it, you'll go on touching it. It is always

described in all the great books, but not so clearly as I am telling

you.

Even for a second, if you get it, it's a very good idea. Then you go

on increasing that second. I think it's a reflecting mind. When you

look at something, you can become thoughtlessly aware and then your

mind deflects to the depth of what you see. That's how you all will

become really very creative Sahaja Yogis.

Many people are here who will say, 'Mother, we don't get that

state.' Try. Try that. I don't believe you cannot get it. All of you

can get that thought that 'I can get it.' And you will get it. In

that, you don't have to discard anything, you don't have to see

anything, just go into meditation and you will be amazed how it will

work out. Of course, you are very much there, most of you, but

still, I would say, increase that thoughtless awareness, that area.

So today's message is that while you are meditating, go into

thoughtless awareness. No thought is important because it's your own

creation. But if you have to become one with the Divine creation,

you have to get to that state of thoughtless awareness, minimum of

minimum. And that comes to you gradually if you grow and you'll be

amazed how you'll be able to grow into Sahaja Yoga in a very big

way. "

Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Nirmala Devi

Diwali Puja, November 2, 2002, Los Angeles, USA

September 17, 2005

Dear Jagbir,

Shri Mataji does not force Her will upon anyone. What if She did,

and yogis would not concentrate on chakra cleansing etc. anymore.

What would they then do, as they aren't going ahead with the Divine

Message and teachings. i remember Shri Mataji saying we should

acquaint ourselves with all the Scriptures of all the religions, and

be able to give an answer to seekers, and synthesize all the

knowledge into an understanding for others so they have their

questions answered.

However, as far as i know, SY Organization, are not studying the

Scriptures together, but after years of chakra cleansing, have

decided that now they need Chakra Clearing Weekends. So, what can

anyone say? What could Shri Mataji say?

Violet

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

> , " Violet "

<vtubb@b...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > In my understanding, teachings about clearing, etc. were not

part

> > of the Official Message of Shri Mataji. She only ever talked

about

> > these in private mostly and to specific individuals mostly....

> >

> > However, to my understanding, She never stood on a platform and

> > started instructing lectures on it.

> >

> > SY's were so desperate for specific instructions (to get it

right)

> > that painstaking work was done to get this into a book.

Questions

> > were asked of Shri Mataji to fill in the missing pieces, in

order

> > to get it right. I always had the impression that people

somewhat

> > not quite nice when trying to extract specific information from

> > Shri Mataji about these subjects. i always felt it was like a

> > Mother, who only gave you what She thought you should know for a

> > specific problem....

> >

> > There were times when Shri Mataji gave some instruction to one

> > person to help them 'clear' and then everyone else took on that

> > instruction and did the very same thing. Later, Shri Mataji

asked

> > why everyone was also doing that technique. She was told that

> > because She had told it to someone. Then Shri Mataji said, that

> > no, it was for that person, not for another person. Shri Mataji

> > might have given one technique to help a person and a completely

> > different one for another person (like medicine is done)....

> >

> > Shri Mataji talked about the attention. At first, we for

> > example could do chakra clearing manually. Then, later, if we

just

> > put our attention there, it would clear, so the attention could

> > take over the work automatically....

> >

> > Sahaja Yoga is not about chakra cleansing though. Sahaja Yoga is

> > about the spiritual birthright that we all have. About spiritual

> > evolution. People have become stuck on chakra clearing and

perhaps

> > this can be seen to be just as obsessive as if someone is always

> > washing their hands, because they feel they can never become

> > clean....

> >

> > For those who are truly enlightened, this emphasis and people's

> > writing in and wanting to discuss chakras above all, is

anathema.

> > It shows a fixation on a part of a whole system, rather than the

> > understanding of the whole. Shri Mataji wanted us to have a

> > Wholistic Understanding....

> >

> > As Jesus said, " Your faith will make you whole " . Only faith in

> > God, in the Divine, in our Spirit will get us through. It is not

> > up to us to thrust 'chakra clearing' down other people's

throats.

> >

> > Shri Mataji usually only taught about 'chakra clearing' in

little

> > groups when people just couldn't clearly connect with their

> > Spirit....

> >

> > The fact that Shri Mataji in the early days, told the very

damaged

> > individuals that they must put their feet into saltwater buckets

> > to clear them, doesn't mean She says this for all time to all

> > people. She was talking to those people in front of Her. She was

> > not giving an Official Message for All Time. There is a

> > difference. It was only for those people in front of Her. And

yet,

> > this has now become Official Teaching, which Shri Mataji never

> > made it, now in Organization Subtle System Sahaja Yoga.

> >

>

> Dear Violet,

>

> You are absolutely right that chakras and cleansing techniques

have

> now become official teaching.

>

> In what i consider to be Her last puja speech Shri Mataji talked

in

> detail about meditation. Not even once did She mention anything

> about catches, treatments and rituals, topics that many SYs daily

> live and swear by. Why is Her speech in contrast to what they want

> new seekers to believe and practise daily? What have all these SYs

> doing daily treatmens and cleansing got to say about Shri Mataji's

> complete disregard for such rituals? Is it because She too knows

> these cleansing rituals are rampant and wants to stamp them out

too?

>

> May daily footsoaking SYs read this Diwali Puja, November 2, 2002,

> Los Angeles, USA talk by Shri Mataji and see for themselves. Hope

> they will realize their imbalance, or at least stop forcing it

down

> the throats of newcomers. i do not mind them doing so but PLEASE

do

> not make others follow and become just as conditioned and ignorant.

>

> Jai Shri Mataji,

>

> jagbir

>

> " Have faith that the Divine will give you the light, will guide

your

> path, will take you to the right place, to do the right thing.

>

> We are collective, we are nice to each other, we don't tell lies,

we

> don't try to destroy anyone. That means we are much above human

> failings and this is only because of the light. You can see where

> you are faltering. It's just you see for yourself. For that, I

think

> meditation is the most important thing.

>

> Every day you should do meditation. Those who do not do meditation

> are capable of falling down because meditation is like putting oil

> into the lamp. Those who do not meditate, think they can do

without

> it, are sadly mistaken. They have to meditate morning and evening.

> The problem is everything comes so handily, so simple that they

> don't understand that meditation is very important.

>

> Not you, but there are many I know who get Realization, who don't

> meditate and their style is different. Their nature is different.

>

> Meditation is such a soothing thing, a beautiful way of connection

> with the Divine, that all your problems get solved in that

> meditative moment.

>

> If you are not meditating, you are not following meditation, then

> maybe your light will go down. It won't give sufficient light.

It's

> important, very important to find out about yourself, about others

> in the meditation. How to do meditation, many people ask. Don't do

> anything, just go into thoughtless awareness. Try to go to the

> thoughtless awareness. If you can get into that condition of

> thoughtless awareness, you can do your job because that's the

point

> where you are with the truth, with the reality, with the joy.

>

> When you meditate try not to make some sort of a function out of

it -

> no. Meditation is something silent in yourself, silence in your

> thoughts and going to that deep ocean which is within you, itself.

> But supposing you don't do that, if you don't meditate I can make

> out immediately those who are meditating and those who are not.

It's

> not difficult for Me.

>

> Those who do not meditate are always hesitating. They are

confused.

> They can't understand. And that's why meditation is the most

> important thing.

>

> Just like a light burns with the electricity flowing in it, in the

> same way meditation is a continuous availability of the Divine

> Force. That will reduce all your agitations. Not only that, but it

> takes out all the negative thoughts. It takes out all the

> discouraging things. And when you are meditating like that,

> thoughtless awareness, then you will be amazed how you are helped

> from within and without. It's a terrible power that works, this

> thoughtless awareness.

>

> So those who do not meditate cannot go very much far with the

> advantage of Sahaj Yoga. If you are in thoughtless awareness, what

> happens to you is that you get the confidence, complete confidence

> of divinity. You know you have it.

>

> Meditation will give you security. It will give you are a real

> enlightenment and a complete connection with the Divine. Without

the

> connection of the Divine, what's the use of doing Sahaj Yog?

>

> I've talked so much about meditation before, but today when I see

> all these candles burning, I think they are all meditating. They

are

> all in meditation and that's how they're growing. In the same way,

> Sahaja Yogis who meditate, I know. And those who don't, I know.

And

> if they have problems, I know why the problems are there.

>

> It's very important to become thoughtlessly aware because then

there

> are no thoughts coming from the left or the right, from the [past]

> or the future. Just in the present you are there. It's something

you

> all have. It's not that I'm saying that to you, but all of you

have

> this, but steady yourself. You have to steady yourself at

> thoughtless awareness. How long - that's not the point. The point

is

> once you've touched it, you'll go on touching it. It is always

> described in all the great books, but not so clearly as I am

telling

> you.

>

> Even for a second, if you get it, it's a very good idea. Then you

go

> on increasing that second. I think it's a reflecting mind. When

you

> look at something, you can become thoughtlessly aware and then

your

> mind deflects to the depth of what you see. That's how you all

will

> become really very creative Sahaja Yogis.

>

> Many people are here who will say, 'Mother, we don't get that

> state.' Try. Try that. I don't believe you cannot get it. All of

you

> can get that thought that 'I can get it.' And you will get it. In

> that, you don't have to discard anything, you don't have to see

> anything, just go into meditation and you will be amazed how it

will

> work out. Of course, you are very much there, most of you, but

> still, I would say, increase that thoughtless awareness, that area.

>

> So today's message is that while you are meditating, go into

> thoughtless awareness. No thought is important because it's your

own

> creation. But if you have to become one with the Divine creation,

> you have to get to that state of thoughtless awareness, minimum of

> minimum. And that comes to you gradually if you grow and you'll be

> amazed how you'll be able to grow into Sahaja Yoga in a very big

> way. "

>

> Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Nirmala Devi

> Diwali Puja, November 2, 2002, Los Angeles, USA

September 20, 2005

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi