What's wrong with those claiming themselves to be St. Joseph and Rama?

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In , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

 

" i am just writing this to ask what you think of such personalities?

What makes them think and behave that way? Has it got anything to do

with their previous adharmic lives? What's wrong with those who

first claim themselves to be Joseph and then self-promote themselves

to be even more divine i.e., Shri Rama? Any information about these

type of twisted personalities would be welcome. "

 

 

Dear Jagbir,

 

This is a very difficult subject to talk about, but i will try to explain as

much as i understand from what i have inbibed from Shri Mataji, as well as what

i have learned from the Holy Scriptures.

 

Jesus describes the " narrow gate " that leads to life and also

the " wide gate " that leads to destruction. As Sahaja Yogis we know that the

Central Path of the Rise of the Kundalini is the path that leads to life and

this is the " narrow gate or path " . The " wide gate or path " on the other hand,

are the left and right paths. this is what Jesus says about them: -

 

" Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is

broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it.

For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and

few are those who find it. " (Matthew 7:13-14) With the Advent of the Holy

Spirit/Comforter, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, 2000 years later, more people have

entered this narrow gate that leads to life.

 

However there are those personalities who are not able to enter

through this " narrow gate " for whatever reason, and therefore take

the " wide gate or path " to destruction.

 

There are actually two wide gates or paths that can lead to destruction if a

person dwells there in their consciousness, subsequently falling therein and

becoming lost therein. They are the left-hand path of ida nadi and the

right-hand path of pingala nadi.

 

Let me explain this in more detail as i understand it from what i have learned:

-

 

In our subtle system there are the centre, left, and right paths

or " gunas " , respectively known as Ida Nadi (left), Pingala Nadi

(right) and Sushumna Nadi (centre).

 

The Left Side is the area of consciousness that represents the past.

The Right Side is the area of consciousness that represents the

future. And the Centre Path is the area of consciousness where we are in the

present.

 

The Central Path is where we want to be, that is, have a balanced

psyche and enjoy being in the present, which is the only area where

our Spirit can evolve spiritually. Bona fide visions, dreams and prophesy can be

given/experienced on the Central path, especially at this Time of the Last

Judgment and Resurrection, when there is an outpouring of the Holy Spirit: -

 

" And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit

upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will

I pour out my spirit. " (Joel 2:28-29)

 

The Left Path is all that is past, including our past. We need to

leave that behind and not dwell there. It is past history. People

who dwell in their past, literally live there in their consciousness and

therefore as it represents the collective subconscious of the human psyche, they

get lost there. When they stay there for long periods, such as when a person

experiences depression etc. they may become vulnerable to all sorts of psychic

problems, such as hearing the voices of the deceased, which may in turn make

them believe they are going mad. This can further result in being influenced by

these dead spirits and can also lead to being possessed by them as well, which

is a very dangerous thing.

 

Some people deliberately go there, because they feel they get knowledge that can

help others, but this is what the Holy Scriptures say about delving into the

human collective subconscious areas of our psyche: -

 

Spiritism Forbidden….

 

" When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you

shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations.

There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his

daughter pass through the fire (fire walking), one who uses

divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets

omens or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a

spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these

things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable

things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. You shall

be blameless before the Lord your God. " (Deuteronomy 18:9-13)

 

Shri Mataji has spoken out against these things, and from the Scriptures, it is

plain to see that God considers delving into such occult matters as detestable.

You can see it from God's point of view. He has made this beautiful path of the

Sushumna.... why then are people going where they are only going to destroy

themselves, eventually. There is no spiritual evolution in this area, and the

reason we are on this Earth, is to evolve spiritually.

 

The right hand path is that of the future. It is alright to have some dreams and

make some practical plans for the future, but again, to actually dwell in the

collective supra-conscious is a danger to our spiritual evolution. Again, a

person can become influenced by influences/entities that reside in the

collective supra-conscious and become a delusional person, experiencing

themselves to be a special personality, such as a Rama or a Joseph. Here you get

your Hitlers and Stalins, all types who like to dominate people and use the

spirits of the collective supra-conscious to do so, over masses of people, like

Hitler did. Shri Mataji says they amass many 'spirits' of this collective

supra-conscious to gain power over masses of people and they can also perform

wonders and miracles, which are not God's wonders and miracles though.

 

Shri Mataji says that the collective supra-conscious is where UFO's come from

and that they are angels of light, but they are not all good angels of light;

some of them are deceivers. Shri Mataji has said that they are in our future,

not for the present, so we should look after the present for now.

 

" For even Satan disguises himself as angel of light " (II Corinthians 11:14).

 

This is what Jesus says about these personalities who try to amass followers

(sheep): -

 

" Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into

the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief

and a robber. But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep. (John

10:1-2)

 

These fake " Rama " and fake " Joseph " personalities think that they are something

special in the Kingdom of God, but they are only deceiving themselves and their

gullible followers. This is what it says about the rise of false prophets: -

 

" But false peophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be

false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even

denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth

will be maligned; and in their greed they will exploit you with false words;

their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and

committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; and did not spare the

ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven

others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; and if He

condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to

ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly thereafter;

and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of

unprincipled men (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living

among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day with their lawless

deeds), then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep

the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those

who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring,

self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties, whereas

angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment

against them before the Lord. But these, like unreasoning animals, born as

creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no

knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,

suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel

in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as

they carouse with you, having eyes full of adultery and that never cease from

sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed

children; forsaking the right way they have gone astray, having followed the way

of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness, but he

received a rebuke for his own transgression; for a dumb donkey, speaking with a

voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

 

These are springs without water, and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black

darkness has been reserved. For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they

entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones

who live in error, promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of

corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved. For if after

they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and

Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the

last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for

them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn

away from the holy commandment delivered to them. It has happened to them

according to the true proverb, " A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT, " and " A sow,

after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire. " (2Peter Chapter 2)

 

That, Jagbir, gives you a description of these characters and why they are in

that state and what will become of them.

 

According to Jesus, here is how we can tell if someone is a false prophet: -

 

" Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing,

but inwardly are ravening wolves. You will know them by their

fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from

thistles, are they? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but

the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit;

nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear

good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will

know them by their fruits. " (Matthew 7:15-20)

 

Furthermore, Lord Jesus also says that there will be false prophets

who perform miracles and suchlike who think they are then going to

come into the Kingdom of Heaven, but do not, because they went

through the wide gate that lead to their destruction, instead of

through the narrow gate that lead to Life: -

 

" Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the Kingdom

of Heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.

Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in

Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name

perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, ` I never

knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' (Matthew

7:21-23)

 

I hope all this helps.

 

Violet

[Guest guest]

Dear Violet,

Thank you very much for your wonderful reply to this subject. Your

insight and wisdom has brought much clarity on this issue for me,

and has explained some issues I have been struggling with, and been

confused about. It is true that we may only enter the Kingdom of

Heaven by the narrow gate; there is no other way. Thanks again for

your help,

Love, Semira

 

, " Violet " <vtubb@b...>

wrote:

> In , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> " i am just writing this to ask what you think of such

personalities?

> What makes them think and behave that way? Has it got anything to

do

> with their previous adharmic lives? What's wrong with those who

> first claim themselves to be Joseph and then self-promote

themselves

> to be even more divine i.e., Shri Rama? Any information about these

> type of twisted personalities would be welcome. "

>

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> This is a very difficult subject to talk about, but i will try to

explain as much as i understand from what i have inbibed from Shri

Mataji, as well as what i have learned from the Holy Scriptures.

>

> Jesus describes the " narrow gate " that leads to life and also

> the " wide gate " that leads to destruction. As Sahaja Yogis we know

that the Central Path of the Rise of the Kundalini is the path that

leads to life and this is the " narrow gate or path " . The " wide gate

or path " on the other hand, are the left and right paths. this is

what Jesus says about them: -

>

> " Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is

> broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by

it.

> For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life,

and

> few are those who find it. " (Matthew 7:13-14) With the Advent of

the Holy Spirit/Comforter, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, 2000 years

later, more people have entered this narrow gate that leads to life.

>

> However there are those personalities who are not able to enter

> through this " narrow gate " for whatever reason, and therefore take

> the " wide gate or path " to destruction.

>

> There are actually two wide gates or paths that can lead to

destruction if a person dwells there in their consciousness,

subsequently falling therein and becoming lost therein. They are the

left-hand path of ida nadi and the right-hand path of pingala nadi.

>

> Let me explain this in more detail as i understand it from what i

have learned: -

>

> In our subtle system there are the centre, left, and right paths

> or " gunas " , respectively known as Ida Nadi (left), Pingala Nadi

> (right) and Sushumna Nadi (centre).

>

> The Left Side is the area of consciousness that represents the

past.

> The Right Side is the area of consciousness that represents the

> future. And the Centre Path is the area of consciousness where we

are in the present.

>

> The Central Path is where we want to be, that is, have a balanced

> psyche and enjoy being in the present, which is the only area

where

> our Spirit can evolve spiritually. Bona fide visions, dreams and

prophesy can be given/experienced on the Central path, especially at

this Time of the Last Judgment and Resurrection, when there is an

outpouring of the Holy Spirit: -

>

> " And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my

spirit

> upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

> your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

> And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days

will

> I pour out my spirit. " (Joel 2:28-29)

>

> The Left Path is all that is past, including our past. We need to

> leave that behind and not dwell there. It is past history. People

> who dwell in their past, literally live there in their

consciousness and therefore as it represents the collective

subconscious of the human psyche, they get lost there. When they

stay there for long periods, such as when a person experiences

depression etc. they may become vulnerable to all sorts of psychic

problems, such as hearing the voices of the deceased, which may in

turn make them believe they are going mad. This can further result

in being influenced by these dead spirits and can also lead to being

possessed by them as well, which is a very dangerous thing.

>

> Some people deliberately go there, because they feel they get

knowledge that can help others, but this is what the Holy Scriptures

say about delving into the human collective subconscious areas of

our psyche: -

>

> Spiritism Forbidden….

>

> " When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you

> shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations.

> There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his

> daughter pass through the fire (fire walking), one who uses

> divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets

> omens or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a

> spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these

> things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable

> things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. You shall

> be blameless before the Lord your God. " (Deuteronomy 18:9-13)

>

> Shri Mataji has spoken out against these things, and from the

Scriptures, it is plain to see that God considers delving into such

occult matters as detestable. You can see it from God's point of

view. He has made this beautiful path of the Sushumna.... why then

are people going where they are only going to destroy themselves,

eventually. There is no spiritual evolution in this area, and the

reason we are on this Earth, is to evolve spiritually.

>

> The right hand path is that of the future. It is alright to have

some dreams and make some practical plans for the future, but again,

to actually dwell in the collective supra-conscious is a danger to

our spiritual evolution. Again, a person can become influenced by

influences/entities that reside in the collective supra-conscious

and become a delusional person, experiencing themselves to be a

special personality, such as a Rama or a Joseph. Here you get your

Hitlers and Stalins, all types who like to dominate people and use

the spirits of the collective supra-conscious to do so, over masses

of people, like Hitler did. Shri Mataji says they amass

many 'spirits' of this collective supra-conscious to gain power over

masses of people and they can also perform wonders and miracles,

which are not God's wonders and miracles though.

>

> Shri Mataji says that the collective supra-conscious is where

UFO's come from and that they are angels of light, but they are not

all good angels of light; some of them are deceivers. Shri Mataji

has said that they are in our future, not for the present, so we

should look after the present for now.

>

> " For even Satan disguises himself as angel of light " (II

Corinthians 11:14).

>

> This is what Jesus says about these personalities who try to amass

followers (sheep): -

>

> " Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door

into

> the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief

> and a robber. But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the

sheep. (John 10:1-2)

>

> These fake " Rama " and fake " Joseph " personalities think that they

are something special in the Kingdom of God, but they are only

deceiving themselves and their gullible followers. This is what it

says about the rise of false prophets: -

>

> " But false peophets also arose among the people, just as there

will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce

destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them,

bringing swift destruction upon themselves. And many will follow

their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be

maligned; and in their greed they will exploit you with false words;

their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is

not asleep. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but

cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved

for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved

Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He

brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; and if He condemned

the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to

ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly

thereafter; and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the

sensual conduct of unprincipled men (for by what he saw and heard

that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul

tormented day after day with their lawless deeds), then the Lord

knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the

unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially

those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise

authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile

angelic majesties, whereas angels who are greater in might and power

do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord. But

these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be

captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in

the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed, suffering

wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel

in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their

deceptions, as they carouse with you, having eyes full of adultery

and that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a

heart trained in greed, accursed children; forsaking the right way

they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of

Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness, but he received a

rebuke for his own transgression; for a dumb donkey, speaking with a

voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

>

> These are springs without water, and mists driven by a storm, for

whom the black darkness has been reserved. For speaking out arrogant

words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those

who barely escape from the ones who live in error, promising them

freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what

a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved. For if after they have

escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord

and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are

overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

For it would be better for them not to have known the way of

righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy

commandment delivered to them. It has happened to them according to

the true proverb, " A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT, " and " A sow,

after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire. " (2Peter Chapter 2)

>

> That, Jagbir, gives you a description of these characters and why

they are in that state and what will become of them.

>

> According to Jesus, here is how we can tell if someone is a false

prophet: -

>

> " Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's

clothing,

> but inwardly are ravening wolves. You will know them by their

> fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from

> thistles, are they? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but

> the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad

fruit;

> nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not

bear

> good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will

> know them by their fruits. " (Matthew 7:15-20)

>

> Furthermore, Lord Jesus also says that there will be false

prophets

> who perform miracles and suchlike who think they are then going to

> come into the Kingdom of Heaven, but do not, because they went

> through the wide gate that lead to their destruction, instead of

> through the narrow gate that lead to Life: -

>

> " Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the Kingdom

> of Heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.

> Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy

in

> Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name

> perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, ` I never

> knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' (Matthew

> 7:21-23)

>

> I hope all this helps.

>

> Violet

[Guest guest]

, " semirafields "

<semirafields> wrote:

Dear Semira,

 

As always, your're welcome.

 

Warmest regards,

Violet

 

 

 

> Dear Violet,

> Thank you very much for your wonderful reply to this subject. Your

> insight and wisdom has brought much clarity on this issue for me,

> and has explained some issues I have been struggling with, and

been

> confused about. It is true that we may only enter the Kingdom of

> Heaven by the narrow gate; there is no other way. Thanks again for

> your help,

> Love, Semira

>

> , " Violet "

<vtubb@b...>

> wrote:

> > In , " jagbir singh "

> > <adishakti_org> wrote:

> >

> > " i am just writing this to ask what you think of such

> personalities?

> > What makes them think and behave that way? Has it got anything

to

> do

> > with their previous adharmic lives? What's wrong with those who

> > first claim themselves to be Joseph and then self-promote

> themselves

> > to be even more divine i.e., Shri Rama? Any information about

these

> > type of twisted personalities would be welcome. "

> >

> >

> > Dear Jagbir,

> >

> > This is a very difficult subject to talk about, but i will try

to

> explain as much as i understand from what i have inbibed from Shri

> Mataji, as well as what i have learned from the Holy Scriptures.

> >

> > Jesus describes the " narrow gate " that leads to life and also

> > the " wide gate " that leads to destruction. As Sahaja Yogis we

know

> that the Central Path of the Rise of the Kundalini is the path

that

> leads to life and this is the " narrow gate or path " . The " wide

gate

> or path " on the other hand, are the left and right paths. this is

> what Jesus says about them: -

> >

> > " Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is

> > broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by

> it.

> > For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life,

> and

> > few are those who find it. " (Matthew 7:13-14) With the Advent of

> the Holy Spirit/Comforter, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, 2000 years

> later, more people have entered this narrow gate that leads to

life.

> >

> > However there are those personalities who are not able to enter

> > through this " narrow gate " for whatever reason, and therefore

take

> > the " wide gate or path " to destruction.

> >

> > There are actually two wide gates or paths that can lead to

> destruction if a person dwells there in their consciousness,

> subsequently falling therein and becoming lost therein. They are

the

> left-hand path of ida nadi and the right-hand path of pingala

nadi.

> >

> > Let me explain this in more detail as i understand it from what

i

> have learned: -

> >

> > In our subtle system there are the centre, left, and right paths

> > or " gunas " , respectively known as Ida Nadi (left), Pingala Nadi

> > (right) and Sushumna Nadi (centre).

> >

> > The Left Side is the area of consciousness that represents the

> past.

> > The Right Side is the area of consciousness that represents the

> > future. And the Centre Path is the area of consciousness where

we

> are in the present.

> >

> > The Central Path is where we want to be, that is, have a

balanced

> > psyche and enjoy being in the present, which is the only area

> where

> > our Spirit can evolve spiritually. Bona fide visions, dreams and

> prophesy can be given/experienced on the Central path, especially

at

> this Time of the Last Judgment and Resurrection, when there is an

> outpouring of the Holy Spirit: -

> >

> > " And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my

> spirit

> > upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

> > your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see

visions:

> > And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days

> will

> > I pour out my spirit. " (Joel 2:28-29)

> >

> > The Left Path is all that is past, including our past. We need

to

> > leave that behind and not dwell there. It is past history.

People

> > who dwell in their past, literally live there in their

> consciousness and therefore as it represents the collective

> subconscious of the human psyche, they get lost there. When they

> stay there for long periods, such as when a person experiences

> depression etc. they may become vulnerable to all sorts of psychic

> problems, such as hearing the voices of the deceased, which may in

> turn make them believe they are going mad. This can further result

> in being influenced by these dead spirits and can also lead to

being

> possessed by them as well, which is a very dangerous thing.

> >

> > Some people deliberately go there, because they feel they get

> knowledge that can help others, but this is what the Holy

Scriptures

> say about delving into the human collective subconscious areas of

> our psyche: -

> >

> > Spiritism Forbidden….

> >

> > " When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you

> > shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those

nations.

> > There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or

his

> > daughter pass through the fire (fire walking), one who uses

> > divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets

> > omens or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a

> > spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these

> > things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these

detestable

> > things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. You

shall

> > be blameless before the Lord your God. " (Deuteronomy 18:9-13)

> >

> > Shri Mataji has spoken out against these things, and from the

> Scriptures, it is plain to see that God considers delving into

such

> occult matters as detestable. You can see it from God's point of

> view. He has made this beautiful path of the Sushumna.... why then

> are people going where they are only going to destroy themselves,

> eventually. There is no spiritual evolution in this area, and the

> reason we are on this Earth, is to evolve spiritually.

> >

> > The right hand path is that of the future. It is alright to have

> some dreams and make some practical plans for the future, but

again,

> to actually dwell in the collective supra-conscious is a danger to

> our spiritual evolution. Again, a person can become influenced by

> influences/entities that reside in the collective supra-conscious

> and become a delusional person, experiencing themselves to be a

> special personality, such as a Rama or a Joseph. Here you get your

> Hitlers and Stalins, all types who like to dominate people and use

> the spirits of the collective supra-conscious to do so, over

masses

> of people, like Hitler did. Shri Mataji says they amass

> many 'spirits' of this collective supra-conscious to gain power

over

> masses of people and they can also perform wonders and miracles,

> which are not God's wonders and miracles though.

> >

> > Shri Mataji says that the collective supra-conscious is where

> UFO's come from and that they are angels of light, but they are

not

> all good angels of light; some of them are deceivers. Shri Mataji

> has said that they are in our future, not for the present, so we

> should look after the present for now.

> >

> > " For even Satan disguises himself as angel of light " (II

> Corinthians 11:14).

> >

> > This is what Jesus says about these personalities who try to

amass

> followers (sheep): -

> >

> > " Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door

> into

> > the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a

thief

> > and a robber. But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the

> sheep. (John 10:1-2)

> >

> > These fake " Rama " and fake " Joseph " personalities think that

they

> are something special in the Kingdom of God, but they are only

> deceiving themselves and their gullible followers. This is what it

> says about the rise of false prophets: -

> >

> > " But false peophets also arose among the people, just as there

> will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce

> destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them,

> bringing swift destruction upon themselves. And many will follow

> their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be

> maligned; and in their greed they will exploit you with false

words;

> their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is

> not asleep. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but

> cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness,

reserved

> for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved

> Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He

> brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; and if He condemned

> the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them

to

> ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly

> thereafter; and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the

> sensual conduct of unprincipled men (for by what he saw and heard

> that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous

soul

> tormented day after day with their lawless deeds), then the Lord

> knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the

> unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and

especially

> those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise

> authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they

revile

> angelic majesties, whereas angels who are greater in might and

power

> do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord. But

> these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to

be

> captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will

in

> the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed, suffering

> wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to

revel

> in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their

> deceptions, as they carouse with you, having eyes full of adultery

> and that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a

> heart trained in greed, accursed children; forsaking the right way

> they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son

of

> Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness, but he received a

> rebuke for his own transgression; for a dumb donkey, speaking with

a

> voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

> >

> > These are springs without water, and mists driven by a storm,

for

> whom the black darkness has been reserved. For speaking out

arrogant

> words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality,

those

> who barely escape from the ones who live in error, promising them

> freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by

what

> a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved. For if after they have

> escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord

> and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are

> overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

> For it would be better for them not to have known the way of

> righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy

> commandment delivered to them. It has happened to them according

to

> the true proverb, " A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT, " and " A sow,

> after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire. " (2Peter Chapter

2)

> >

> > That, Jagbir, gives you a description of these characters and

why

> they are in that state and what will become of them.

> >

> > According to Jesus, here is how we can tell if someone is a

false

> prophet: -

> >

> > " Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's

> clothing,

> > but inwardly are ravening wolves. You will know them by their

> > fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from

> > thistles, are they? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit;

but

> > the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad

> fruit;

> > nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not

> bear

> > good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you

will

> > know them by their fruits. " (Matthew 7:15-20)

> >

> > Furthermore, Lord Jesus also says that there will be false

> prophets

> > who perform miracles and suchlike who think they are then going

to

> > come into the Kingdom of Heaven, but do not, because they went

> > through the wide gate that lead to their destruction, instead of

> > through the narrow gate that lead to Life: -

> >

> > " Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the

Kingdom

> > of Heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in

heaven.

> > Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not

prophesy

> in

> > Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name

> > perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, ` I

never

> > knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

(Matthew

> > 7:21-23)

> >

> > I hope all this helps.

> >

> > Violet

[Guest guest]

, " Violet " <vtubb@b...>

wrote:

>

> " For even Satan disguises himself as angel of light " (II

> Corinthians 11:14).

>

> This is what Jesus says about these personalities who try to amass

followers (sheep): -

>

> " Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door

> into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a

> thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of

> the sheep. (John 10:1-2)

>

> These fake " Rama " and fake " Joseph " personalities think that they

> are something special in the Kingdom of God, but they are only

> deceiving themselves and their gullible followers. This is what it

> says about the rise of false prophets: -

>

> " But false peophets also arose among the people, just as there

> will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce

> destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them,

> bringing swift destruction upon themselves. And many will follow

> their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be

> maligned; and in their greed they will exploit you with false

> words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their

> destruction is not asleep. For if God did not spare angels when

> they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of

> darkness, reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient

> world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven

> others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; and

> if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by

> reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who

> would live ungodly thereafter; and if He rescued righteous Lot,

> oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men (for by what

.. he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt

> his righteous soul tormented day after day with their lawless

> deeds), then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from

> temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the

> day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its

> corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they

> do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties, whereas angels

> who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling

> judgment against them before the Lord. But these, like unreasoning

> animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed,

> reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of

> those creatures also be destroyed, suffering wrong as the wages of

> doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime.

> They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as

> they carouse with you, having eyes full of adultery and that never

> cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in

> greed, accursed children; forsaking the right way they have gone

> astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who

> loved the wages of unrighteousness, but he received a rebuke for

> his own transgression; for a dumb donkey, speaking with a voice of

> a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

>

> These are springs without water, and mists driven by a storm, for

> whom the black darkness has been reserved. For speaking out

> arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by

> sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in

> error, promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of

> corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.

> For if after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the

> knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again

> entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become

> worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not

> to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to

> turn away from the holy commandment delivered to them. It has

> happened to them according to the true proverb, " A DOG RETURNS TO

> ITS OWN VOMIT, " and " A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in

> the mire. " (2Peter Chapter 2)

>

> That, Jagbir, gives you a description of these characters and why

> they are in that state and what will become of them.

>

>

 

Dear Violet,

 

Thank you so much for this answer based on the Bible, and it fits

that Simon character we have so well. i am quite amazed that the

Bible does talk about these type of personalities and how one can

get lost in the wide paths of the Ida and Pingle Nadis. (Only the

narrow path - Shushumna Nadi - and guarded by Jesus Himself leads to

the Kingdom of God within.) Simon has undergone many of the mental

problems mentioned by those who get lost in the Ida and Pingla

Nadis. There have been others who got lost too and ended up claiming

themselves to be Kalkis and what not. Ishmael is the only one still

clinging to this title and has gathered a small cult around himself

just like Simon. But unlike him, Simon has become an atheist who

denies all that he believed before, including the characters of

Joseph and Rama. This describes him well:

 

It has happened to them according to the true proverb, " A DOG

RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT, " and " A sow, after washing, returns to

wallowing in the mire. "

 

As you have said it so well, " These fake " Rama " and fake " Joseph "

personalities think that they are something special in the Kingdom

of God, but they are only deceiving themselves and their gullible

followers. "

 

Thank you Violet for giving information that we can use to warn

others about this fake prophet Simon who now spends his time trying

to lure forum members away. i came to know he did that to Chuck too.

Hope Chuck understands how strong is the Dark Force that wants to

stop the believers from entering the Kingdom of God during this

promised Age of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. Even within the

SY organisation itself negativity has overcome many from even

admitting that they should speak the truth. But we will overcome as

our numbers slowly increase.

 

As the Chinese say, a ten thousand mile journey starts with a single

step. i think we have walked a hundred miles or so over the last few

years. For those faithful following along this is a most blessed

journey in fulfilling the Divine Plan for humanity. Even a thousand

Simons will not be able to lure you away from fulfilling your

spiritual destiny and eternal life in the promised Kingdom of God.

 

i cannot say the same for those who join because of the official

claim that Sahaja Yoga is about chakras, kundalini and stress

management. After all, 99.99% of them have left and continue to do

so. They did not even walk a single mile because they know of

hundreds/thousands of gurus and teachers who preach the same path.

 

But we will overcome all obstacles as the numbers of those

proclaiming the Divine Message to others slowly increase. If SYs had followed

Shri Mataji's instructions way back in the early 1980s it would have been so

different today. But since they did not, and still do not want to, we will just

have to bear a much heavier burden over a very long and difficult journey.

 

 

Jai Shri Mataji,

 

 

jagbir