SYs believe that deceiving honest seekers is in their best interest

[Guest guest]

, " Sakis "

<mprgrandmaster@h...> wrote:

> Jai Shri Mataji!

> Deasr borthers and sisters,

> I have read a good amount of what is being post here these days

> and I have felt an urgent feeling to say my opionion and set my

> quetions. Please,do not be offended even if what I say seems to be

> so out of my lack of skills.

>

 

Sakis, we will be offended as you are going against Shri Mataji's

advise. You know very well, as Michalis does too, that " She doesn't

want us to talk ill of fellow Sahaja Yogis or not. From the talks of

Hers tha I've read I gather that She dislikes gossiping and any kind

of critisism. "

 

But we too know better what She means, in what context and time Shri

Mataji had to say so. No one is talking ill of others nor

gossipping. We are all trying to bring attention to the critical

issues facing Sahaja Yoga. Shri Krishna told Arjuna to go ahead and

kill his close relatives, teachers and friends. If He had to follow

such rules tyranny would have triumphed. So we are really very mild

in our method of dealing with the situation. Let's not react and

feel we are slaughtering souls here.

 

> I have experienced the fact that when you talk to someone about

> Sahaja Yoga without telling them the truth about Shri Mataji

> they :a)cannot understand the meaning of some parts of Sahaja Yoga

> practise.So, I have given Self-Reaslisation to a couple of people

> or so. In the beggining I didn't tell them the Truth about the

> Mother,I did so in a month or so after they strted weel on the

> practise and as work permitted.Before telling them, they couldn't

> fully accept/understand the use of Her photograph.

>

 

i am so happy to know that they started well after knowing the Truth

about the Mother, and that " Before telling them, they couldn't

fully accept/understand the use of Her photograph. "

 

> b)They cannot easily undesrand the meaning and importance of

> Sahaja Yoga and Self-Realisation.They didn't understand that the

> Awakening of Kundalini is such a precious gift, that was extremely

> rare in the past. They couldn't fully accept/understand that this

> is about Union witht the Divine and the fulfilment of

> revelation. After revealing the Truth about the Mother to them,

> they improved greatly.

>

 

Again i understand too that they couldn't understand Kundalini

awakening at first, as many have before them over the decades. What

more can i say that only " After revealing the Truth about the Mother

to them, they improved greatly. " This really says a lot about being

honest and truthful to seekers who are seeking the Divine and

meaning to their lives.

 

> But, I still think telling the Truth from the very first Sahaja

> yoga presentation is too much, Today, many are creating

> sects,claim to be gods and deceive people. If someone heard that

> that Woman from India with a big red dot claims to be the

> Incarnation of the Supreme,what would they think? What should they

> believe just by hearing,without experiencing? Of course,I do not

> mean they should try Sahaja Yoga for years before revealing the

> Truth, but I think a month,less or more accordin to the person,

> should be left so thet the newcomer experiences the power of the

> Gift they have been given.

>

 

Now you are contradicting your own experience about new seekers who

only " After revealing the Truth about the Mother to them, they

improved greatly. " Sakis, you are just not making sense despite

confirming that the Truth greatly helped. Like the rest of the SYs

the " Don't tell the Truth upfront " conditioning makes you believe

that people are afraid of the Truth about Shri Mataji. Like the rest

you want us to lie for the sake of Truth too!?? i just don't

understand this pervasive fear that has gripped our collectives. In

fact it is becoming a disease that has no cure as most SYs want to

be dishonest because the Truth is too much to bear. We are the first

so-called self-realized souls who can even conscientiously believe

that deceiving honest seekers is in their best interest. This is

truly the darkest depth of Kali Yuga, the concerted collective

effort to make all SYs fear telling the Truth of the Divine Message

to humanity. What Dark Force has overcome us?

 

> So, in my opinion, not strict rules should be given. She Herself

> has rarely given strict rules to Her Children. I think we

> shouldn't be that harsh and accuse anyone who doesn;t say from the

> very first time that Shri Mataji is Adi Shakti. Even if they

> should, accusing them either directly or behind the, doesn;t not

> bring any benefits.

>

 

Contrary to what you say and believe it does and will continue to

bring benefits. Telling others to be truthful is one of the most

important, if not the most important duty of any self-realized soul.

That many SYs do not to this dharma speaks volumes for

their organization and success.

 

>

> P.S. I have started studying the Meta Modern Era. It is a wondeful

> book and I fully advice all our brothers and sisters to buy it

 

Shri Mataji clearly declares the Divine Message of the Last Judgment

and Resurrection in this book, one that is sold to the public. She

has done the same many times during public programs. It makes no

sense that SYs fear declaring Her Advent and Message when She has

done so openly over the years. Has any previous incarnation faced

such dishonest cowards?

[Guest guest]

Jau Shri Mataji!

Dear Jagbir,

Do I go against Shri Mataji advice because, as She said, I din;t

tell from the very first time who Shri Mataji is? don;t thik so.

Plus,while I have become many times angry with those who doupted the

Divinity of Our Mother,I don';t think this is a good opportunity for

you to shout at this forum. I consider myself a child of the

Goddess,so there is no reason to use harsh language towards me.

Sorry,but I consider you a brother but I don;t see that sweetness in

your posts.

We both agree that we should declare to all that Adi Shakti has

incanrated,but you stronly accuse me of being anti-Shri Mataji which

equals to being anti-God and thus evil because I suggest to leaves

ome days to the newcomers to intergrate the tons of knowledge that

we give to them. The knowledge of the Last Juddgment is a lot to

bear,don;t you think?Even if I am wrong, there is no need to talk so

tough to me.Am I evil?Am I anti-God?May be someone who knows me

better and prsonally may say if I am anti-God.Is there anyone here?I

think there is!

So, dear Jagbir, why dont you check the Vibrations of my emails?She

has given us this perfect Gift.Why don;t you find whether what I say

is anti-God by checking the vibrations of my email and leave out

your mentality?

In any case,I cosider myself your brther and a child of Shri

Mataji.I would like to end any fights right now as I cosider this to

be displeasing Our Mother.So, just try to declare Her Messege and

leave quarrels behind us.

Love,

Sakis

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

> , " Sakis "

> <mprgrandmaster@h...> wrote:

> > Jai Shri Mataji!

> > Deasr borthers and sisters,

> > I have read a good amount of what is being post here these days

> > and I have felt an urgent feeling to say my opionion and set my

> > quetions. Please,do not be offended even if what I say seems to

be

> > so out of my lack of skills.

> >

>

> Sakis, we will be offended as you are going against Shri Mataji's

> advise. You know very well, as Michalis does too, that " She

doesn't

> want us to talk ill of fellow Sahaja Yogis or not. From the talks

of

> Hers tha I've read I gather that She dislikes gossiping and any

kind

> of critisism. "

>

> But we too know better what She means, in what context and time

Shri

> Mataji had to say so. No one is talking ill of others nor

> gossipping. We are all trying to bring attention to the critical

> issues facing Sahaja Yoga. Shri Krishna told Arjuna to go ahead

and

> kill his close relatives, teachers and friends. If He had to

follow

> such rules tyranny would have triumphed. So we are really very

mild

> in our method of dealing with the situation. Let's not react and

> feel we are slaughtering souls here.

>

> > I have experienced the fact that when you talk to someone about

> > Sahaja Yoga without telling them the truth about Shri Mataji

> > they :a)cannot understand the meaning of some parts of Sahaja

Yoga

> > practise.So, I have given Self-Reaslisation to a couple of

people

> > or so. In the beggining I didn't tell them the Truth about the

> > Mother,I did so in a month or so after they strted weel on the

> > practise and as work permitted.Before telling them, they

couldn't

> > fully accept/understand the use of Her photograph.

> >

>

> i am so happy to know that they started well after knowing the

Truth

> about the Mother, and that " Before telling them, they couldn't

> fully accept/understand the use of Her photograph. "

>

> > b)They cannot easily undesrand the meaning and importance of

> > Sahaja Yoga and Self-Realisation.They didn't understand that the

> > Awakening of Kundalini is such a precious gift, that was

extremely

> > rare in the past. They couldn't fully accept/understand that

this

> > is about Union witht the Divine and the fulfilment of

> > revelation. After revealing the Truth about the Mother to them,

> > they improved greatly.

> >

>

> Again i understand too that they couldn't understand Kundalini

> awakening at first, as many have before them over the decades.

What

> more can i say that only " After revealing the Truth about the

Mother

> to them, they improved greatly. " This really says a lot about

being

> honest and truthful to seekers who are seeking the Divine and

> meaning to their lives.

>

> > But, I still think telling the Truth from the very first Sahaja

> > yoga presentation is too much, Today, many are creating

> > sects,claim to be gods and deceive people. If someone heard that

> > that Woman from India with a big red dot claims to be the

> > Incarnation of the Supreme,what would they think? What should

they

> > believe just by hearing,without experiencing? Of course,I do not

> > mean they should try Sahaja Yoga for years before revealing the

> > Truth, but I think a month,less or more accordin to the person,

> > should be left so thet the newcomer experiences the power of the

> > Gift they have been given.

> >

>

> Now you are contradicting your own experience about new seekers

who

> only " After revealing the Truth about the Mother to them, they

> improved greatly. " Sakis, you are just not making sense despite

> confirming that the Truth greatly helped. Like the rest of the SYs

> the " Don't tell the Truth upfront " conditioning makes you believe

> that people are afraid of the Truth about Shri Mataji. Like the

rest

> you want us to lie for the sake of Truth too!?? i just don't

> understand this pervasive fear that has gripped our collectives.

In

> fact it is becoming a disease that has no cure as most SYs want to

> be dishonest because the Truth is too much to bear. We are the

first

> so-called self-realized souls who can even conscientiously believe

> that deceiving honest seekers is in their best interest. This is

> truly the darkest depth of Kali Yuga, the concerted collective

> effort to make all SYs fear telling the Truth of the Divine

Message

> to humanity. What Dark Force has overcome us?

>

> > So, in my opinion, not strict rules should be given. She Herself

> > has rarely given strict rules to Her Children. I think we

> > shouldn't be that harsh and accuse anyone who doesn;t say from

the

> > very first time that Shri Mataji is Adi Shakti. Even if they

> > should, accusing them either directly or behind the, doesn;t not

> > bring any benefits.

> >

>

> Contrary to what you say and believe it does and will continue to

> bring benefits. Telling others to be truthful is one of the most

> important, if not the most important duty of any self-realized

soul.

> That many SYs do not to this dharma speaks volumes for

> their organization and success.

>

> >

> > P.S. I have started studying the Meta Modern Era. It is a

wondeful

> > book and I fully advice all our brothers and sisters to buy it

>

> Shri Mataji clearly declares the Divine Message of the Last

Judgment

> and Resurrection in this book, one that is sold to the public. She

> has done the same many times during public programs. It makes no

> sense that SYs fear declaring Her Advent and Message when She has

> done so openly over the years. Has any previous incarnation faced

> such dishonest cowards?

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

 

Sakis is right you do use tough language on him. He just expresses

his opinion after all, just like I do and you call us dishonest

cowards? Sorry but this is not a behaviour. Maybe you wouldn't say

that if you saw the way he feels about Shri Mataji. OK we all do

mistakes but this doesn't meen that when our opinions differentiate

you are to talk like that.

 

There is a subtle line between cleansing techniques and rituals.

Very subtle indeed and one can easily stray. Shri Mataji advised us

to use techniques wisely and make sure we don't become ritualistic.

Your fear of becoming ritualistic led you to cut them off. It is

true that Shri Mataji said to turn to the Spirit within instead of

techniques, but that was for those who have become way too

ritualistic. Just like when She says to a left sided person to try

and go to the right side. She wouldn't say that for a right sided

person. It is the balance that matters. Beeing afraid of heights

doesn't meen to go and live underground does it?

 

So Jagbir, try to overcome your fear that leads you to conditionings

and balance yourself.

 

Before a mere hour I meditated. Not as usually though. I footsoaked

and the difference was huge. My thoughts were gone imediately, I

didn't even realise they were gone! Surely the salted water helped.

 

Wishes for a quick balancing to Jagbir, Violet and all of us.

Jai Shri Mataji!

 

PS: I know Sakis personally, he gave me my Self Realisation and

taught me a good load of stuff. He is also going to lent me his Meta

Modern Era book

 

 

 

 

, " sahajagr19 "

<mprgrandmaster@h...> wrote:

> Jau Shri Mataji!

> Dear Jagbir,

> Do I go against Shri Mataji advice because, as She said, I din;t

> tell from the very first time who Shri Mataji is? don;t thik so.

> Plus,while I have become many times angry with those who doupted

the

> Divinity of Our Mother,I don';t think this is a good opportunity

for

> you to shout at this forum. I consider myself a child of the

> Goddess,so there is no reason to use harsh language towards me.

> Sorry,but I consider you a brother but I don;t see that sweetness

in

> your posts.

> We both agree that we should declare to all that Adi Shakti has

> incanrated,but you stronly accuse me of being anti-Shri Mataji

which

> equals to being anti-God and thus evil because I suggest to leaves

> ome days to the newcomers to intergrate the tons of knowledge that

> we give to them. The knowledge of the Last Juddgment is a lot to

> bear,don;t you think?Even if I am wrong, there is no need to talk

so

> tough to me.Am I evil?Am I anti-God?May be someone who knows me

> better and prsonally may say if I am anti-God.Is there anyone here?

I

> think there is!

> So, dear Jagbir, why dont you check the Vibrations of my emails?

She

> has given us this perfect Gift.Why don;t you find whether what I

say

> is anti-God by checking the vibrations of my email and leave out

> your mentality?

> In any case,I cosider myself your brther and a child of Shri

> Mataji.I would like to end any fights right now as I cosider this

to

> be displeasing Our Mother.So, just try to declare Her Messege and

> leave quarrels behind us.

> Love,

> Sakis

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org> wrote:

> > , " Sakis "

> > <mprgrandmaster@h...> wrote:

> > > Jai Shri Mataji!

> > > Deasr borthers and sisters,

> > > I have read a good amount of what is being post here these

days

> > > and I have felt an urgent feeling to say my opionion and set

my

> > > quetions. Please,do not be offended even if what I say seems

to

> be

> > > so out of my lack of skills.

> > >

> >

> > Sakis, we will be offended as you are going against Shri

Mataji's

> > advise. You know very well, as Michalis does too, that " She

> doesn't

> > want us to talk ill of fellow Sahaja Yogis or not. From the

talks

> of

> > Hers tha I've read I gather that She dislikes gossiping and any

> kind

> > of critisism. "

> >

> > But we too know better what She means, in what context and time

> Shri

> > Mataji had to say so. No one is talking ill of others nor

> > gossipping. We are all trying to bring attention to the critical

> > issues facing Sahaja Yoga. Shri Krishna told Arjuna to go ahead

> and

> > kill his close relatives, teachers and friends. If He had to

> follow

> > such rules tyranny would have triumphed. So we are really very

> mild

> > in our method of dealing with the situation. Let's not react and

> > feel we are slaughtering souls here.

> >

> > > I have experienced the fact that when you talk to someone

about

> > > Sahaja Yoga without telling them the truth about Shri Mataji

> > > they :a)cannot understand the meaning of some parts of Sahaja

> Yoga

> > > practise.So, I have given Self-Reaslisation to a couple of

> people

> > > or so. In the beggining I didn't tell them the Truth about the

> > > Mother,I did so in a month or so after they strted weel on the

> > > practise and as work permitted.Before telling them, they

> couldn't

> > > fully accept/understand the use of Her photograph.

> > >

> >

> > i am so happy to know that they started well after knowing the

> Truth

> > about the Mother, and that " Before telling them, they couldn't

> > fully accept/understand the use of Her photograph. "

> >

> > > b)They cannot easily undesrand the meaning and importance of

> > > Sahaja Yoga and Self-Realisation.They didn't understand that

the

> > > Awakening of Kundalini is such a precious gift, that was

> extremely

> > > rare in the past. They couldn't fully accept/understand that

> this

> > > is about Union witht the Divine and the fulfilment of

> > > revelation. After revealing the Truth about the Mother to

them,

> > > they improved greatly.

> > >

> >

> > Again i understand too that they couldn't understand Kundalini

> > awakening at first, as many have before them over the decades.

> What

> > more can i say that only " After revealing the Truth about the

> Mother

> > to them, they improved greatly. " This really says a lot about

> being

> > honest and truthful to seekers who are seeking the Divine and

> > meaning to their lives.

> >

> > > But, I still think telling the Truth from the very first

Sahaja

> > > yoga presentation is too much, Today, many are creating

> > > sects,claim to be gods and deceive people. If someone heard

that

> > > that Woman from India with a big red dot claims to be the

> > > Incarnation of the Supreme,what would they think? What should

> they

> > > believe just by hearing,without experiencing? Of course,I do

not

> > > mean they should try Sahaja Yoga for years before revealing

the

> > > Truth, but I think a month,less or more accordin to the

person,

> > > should be left so thet the newcomer experiences the power of

the

> > > Gift they have been given.

> > >

> >

> > Now you are contradicting your own experience about new seekers

> who

> > only " After revealing the Truth about the Mother to them, they

> > improved greatly. " Sakis, you are just not making sense despite

> > confirming that the Truth greatly helped. Like the rest of the

SYs

> > the " Don't tell the Truth upfront " conditioning makes you

believe

> > that people are afraid of the Truth about Shri Mataji. Like the

> rest

> > you want us to lie for the sake of Truth too!?? i just don't

> > understand this pervasive fear that has gripped our collectives.

> In

> > fact it is becoming a disease that has no cure as most SYs want

to

> > be dishonest because the Truth is too much to bear. We are the

> first

> > so-called self-realized souls who can even conscientiously

believe

> > that deceiving honest seekers is in their best interest. This is

> > truly the darkest depth of Kali Yuga, the concerted collective

> > effort to make all SYs fear telling the Truth of the Divine

> Message

> > to humanity. What Dark Force has overcome us?

> >

> > > So, in my opinion, not strict rules should be given. She

Herself

> > > has rarely given strict rules to Her Children. I think we

> > > shouldn't be that harsh and accuse anyone who doesn;t say from

> the

> > > very first time that Shri Mataji is Adi Shakti. Even if they

> > > should, accusing them either directly or behind the, doesn;t

not

> > > bring any benefits.

> > >

> >

> > Contrary to what you say and believe it does and will continue

to

> > bring benefits. Telling others to be truthful is one of the most

> > important, if not the most important duty of any self-realized

> soul.

> > That many SYs do not to this dharma speaks volumes for

> > their organization and success.

> >

> > >

> > > P.S. I have started studying the Meta Modern Era. It is a

> wondeful

> > > book and I fully advice all our brothers and sisters to buy it

> >

> > Shri Mataji clearly declares the Divine Message of the Last

> Judgment

> > and Resurrection in this book, one that is sold to the public.

She

> > has done the same many times during public programs. It makes no

> > sense that SYs fear declaring Her Advent and Message when She

has

> > done so openly over the years. Has any previous incarnation

faced

> > such dishonest cowards?

[Guest guest]

, " michalis_9 "

<michalis_9> wrote:

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> Sakis is right you do use tough language on him. He just expresses

> his opinion after all, just like I do and you call us dishonest

> cowards? Sorry but this is not a behaviour. Maybe you wouldn't say

> that if you saw the way he feels about Shri Mataji. OK we all do

> mistakes but this doesn't meen that when our opinions

> differentiate you are to talk like that.

>

>

 

The Truth – " Sach " or Sat is the basic fundamental in Sikhism. The

meaning of word " Truth " is different in different contexts. The most

important connotation of Truth is God. The Almighty is Truth.

Another meaning of Truth is Virtue which includes qualities like

honesty, righteousness, justice, compassion, detachment, humility

etc. The third meaning of Truth is pure, holy, sacred. The fourth

meaning of Truth is that which is correct and proper. The fifth

meaning of Truth is eternal happiness of bliss.

 

But who can give the Truth? God being the source of Truth gives

truth (revelation) direct to the holy and the enlightened. Secondly

the Satguru or Guru can give Truth to the devotee through his

teachings. Thirdly the Sadh Sangat or Holy Congregation can impart

an understanding of Truth to the disciple. So God, Guru, or Holy

Congregation can grant the gift of Truth to a devotee.

 

The gift of Truth comes to the deserving. The Sikh must satisfy some

requirements to be a candidate for the gift of Truth. He must follow

the Guru's teaching: he must do charitable and altruistic deeds; he

must submit to the will of God; he must do spiritual cleansing

through remembrance of the Holy Name; finally, he must pray for

God's grace.

 

In Sikhism greater than Truth is Truthful living. One must lead a

life of Truth. He must speak the Truth, act the Truth and think the

Truth. A noble character implies the practice of humility,

compassion, meditation and a desire to serve and guide others on the

spiritual path. Such a devotee earns the gift of Truth and

ultimately merges with the Eternal God like the rain drop merging

itself in the ocean.

 

http://www.sikhpoint.com/religion/creatertruth & sikhism/aboutsikhism.php

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Mataji clearly declares the Divine Message of the Last

> > Judgment and Resurrection in this book, one that is sold to the

> > public. She has done the same many times during public programs.

> > It makes no sense that SYs fear declaring Her Advent and Message

> > when She has done so openly over the years. Has any previous

> > incarnation faced such dishonest cowards?