Go tell all the SEEKERS OF THE DIVINE about Shri Mataji.

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

 

I totally agree with you that we sould tell the seekers the truth

staight away. But nowadays they are fairly few. The majority of the

people have become careles about God unfortunately. To help them

save their souls whe need to show them the right way first. That is

diplomacy. If we want to spread the message and do it justice we

need to use that kind of way. Hiding the truth for a month or so we

make sure that they are convinced that SY excists and therefore, why

not consider the possibility that SY's founder is actually what She

claims to be? That's the way I think, you know. I can feel the

vibrations, I can feel the chacras and the catches and I think that

Sahaja Yoga is working. So why not Shri Mataji be the Adi Shakti. If

She is not, then She is the contrary and she wouldn't teatch a such

a noble technique.

 

Of course we are not to say that SY is for stress management, health

issues etc. I would say that it has to do with the divine, it has to

do with apocalypse so that people who join don't feel decieved and

they are informed of what they are getting in to. And if they asked

who Shri Mataji is on the very first meeting I would say that She is

very important but it is very early for them to know. And I would

assure them that when this time comes, they still will be able to

leave, just to ensure that they are not frightened.

 

And don't forget what Christ said about the Holly Spirit. Insult

against the father and the son shall be forgived, but insult against

the Holly Spirit shall not. By telling them who She is they most

likely won't believe us and insult Her. As Sakis said there are a

lot of people that claim to be divine nowadays. Here in Greece was a

lady called Vasoula that claimed to be the Holly Spirit and when an

aunt of mine heard about Shri Mataji she thought of her.

 

PS: I don't belong to the general public beeing Sahaja Yogi and

therefore inetrested in Shri Mataji talks, and yet I can't purchase

the book. Only I found a second hand copy in Amazon...

[Guest guest]

Dear Michalis,

I understand that you are being sincere in presenting your views,

and that you wish to be helpful.

However, I'm a bit shocked that you say it is diplomatic to hide the

truth for a month or so. Whatever the motives, it is cheating people

to not tell them exactly what something is about from the start.

Also, from a different perspective, it is helpful to consider why

the majority of the people have become careless about God. They

have become careless and distant from God because of the repression,

the restrictions, the control, the double-standards and empty

rituals that are present in the organised religions. The last thing

that people feeling like this want is to join yet another

organisation in which the same structures have been imposed. There

are countless such organisations, and many people have been

disillusioned by these.

 

You write below: " By telling them who She is they most

> likely won't believe us and insult Her. " This is actually a

projection of your own fear.

People appreciate and respect honesty and freedom of discussion.

People relate to the sharing of personal experiences.

 

The message of Sahaja yoga is the confirmation of all the messages

of the previous Incarnations of all the religions, and people will

recognise this, and will not be afraid, but will embrace this with

hope. I believe that many people are waiting for the release from

the oppression of organised religions, and to experience the

awareness of the Spirit within.

Warm regards, Semira

 

 

, " michalis_9 "

<michalis_9> wrote:

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> I totally agree with you that we sould tell the seekers the truth

> staight away. But nowadays they are fairly few. The majority of

the

> people have become careles about God unfortunately. To help them

> save their souls whe need to show them the right way first. That

is

> diplomacy. If we want to spread the message and do it justice we

> need to use that kind of way. Hiding the truth for a month or so

we

> make sure that they are convinced that SY excists and therefore,

why

> not consider the possibility that SY's founder is actually what

She

> claims to be? That's the way I think, you know. I can feel the

> vibrations, I can feel the chacras and the catches and I think

that

> Sahaja Yoga is working. So why not Shri Mataji be the Adi Shakti.

If

> She is not, then She is the contrary and she wouldn't teatch a

such

> a noble technique.

>

> Of course we are not to say that SY is for stress management,

health

> issues etc. I would say that it has to do with the divine, it has

to

> do with apocalypse so that people who join don't feel decieved and

> they are informed of what they are getting in to. And if they

asked

> who Shri Mataji is on the very first meeting I would say that She

is

> very important but it is very early for them to know. And I would

> assure them that when this time comes, they still will be able to

> leave, just to ensure that they are not frightened.

>

> And don't forget what Christ said about the Holly Spirit. Insult

> against the father and the son shall be forgived, but insult

against

> the Holly Spirit shall not. By telling them who She is they most

> likely won't believe us and insult Her. As Sakis said there are a

> lot of people that claim to be divine nowadays. Here in Greece was

a

> lady called Vasoula that claimed to be the Holly Spirit and when

an

> aunt of mine heard about Shri Mataji she thought of her.

>

> PS: I don't belong to the general public beeing Sahaja Yogi and

> therefore inetrested in Shri Mataji talks, and yet I can't

purchase

> the book. Only I found a second hand copy in Amazon...

[Guest guest]

, " semirafields "

<semirafields wrote:

 

" The message of Sahaja yoga is the confirmation of all the messages of the

previous Incarnations of all the religions, and people will recognise this, and

will not be afraid, but will embrace this with hope. I believe that many people

are waiting for the release from the oppression of organised religions, and to

experience the awareness of the Spirit within " .

 

Dear Semira,

 

Thank you for these beautiful and enlightened words. i agree with you totally,

Semira. There is nothing difficult in telling people that Shri Mataji brings the

message of a Divine Incarnation like Jesus, Mohammed, or Buddha. Once that is

said, we can tell the person that they have to prove this for themselves,

though. At least this is being upfront and honest. No one is expected to take

anyone at their word. Shri Mataji has often stressed that we are to test

everything for ourselves, like a scientist.

 

i too agree that if we are afraid, it usually is a fear within ourselves. We

must face any fear within ourselves with the Pure Light of the Spirit Within,

which will dispel all our fears and replace them with confidence and 'gnana'

(inward knowing).

 

The way i do this is to look at any fears that come up within me, in the light

of my Spirit, so that i can see what is the nature of this fear (or

alternatively, where it is coming from), because the worst fear is the " fear of

fear " itself. Once i see its nature, i can deal with it and when i have dealt

with it, it dispels like mist does when the sun shines.

 

This kind of work is part and parcel of " spiritual introspection " . i too see, as

Jagbir does, that there is a force of organizational 'fear' that also must be

overcome on an individual basis and this 'organizational fear' comes in the form

of what leaders have taught; not what Shri Mataji has taught. We need to

distinguish between the two, which we are attempting to do on this forum in

order to help everyone to overcome these pervasive and pervading fears.

 

Btw, it is interesting to note, that Shri Mataji never caused someone to fear,

to my knowledge anyway; She was always loving, and brave, and upfront and spoke

Her Truth loud and clear. She has also asked us to follow Her example, with

courage and dedication to the Truth of God Almighty.

 

Love from Violet

[Guest guest]

Dear violet,

 

What does it mean to introspect in SY? Does it mean to really look

at yourself, words action etc and see where you are weak or ailing,

then use the proper mantras to awaken the qualities you are lacking

and help them to grow and grow in strength? OR is it a diferent kind

of introspection that is so important in SY? ALso what is spiritual

introspection exactly and how is it done?

 

ANother question i have is: what does it mean to have established

thoughtless awareness? How do u tell when it is established? I mean

does it mean u r thoughtless all the time or does that mean u enter

it effortlesly in meditation or something else?

 

Lastly, enlightened awareness. WHat is the difference between focus

or rconcentration and awareness? I mean itis stressed that we should

keep our attention on our spirit always( in the 7th center)but if

that ment focus or concentration, talking or walking or other things

woul not be possible while maintaing our focus elsewhere.

 

These are my questions. Thanks 4 your time.

 

kyyan

 

, " Violet " <vtubb@b...>

wrote:

> , " semirafields "

> <semirafields> wrote:

>

> " The message of Sahaja yoga is the confirmation of all the

messages of the previous Incarnations of all the religions, and

people will recognise this, and will not be afraid, but will embrace

this with hope. I believe that many people are waiting for the

release from the oppression of organised religions, and to

experience the awareness of the Spirit within " .

>

> Dear Semira,

>

> Thank you for these beautiful and enlightened words. i agree with

you totally, Semira. There is nothing difficult in telling people

that Shri Mataji brings the message of a Divine Incarnation like

Jesus, Mohammed, or Buddha. Once that is said, we can tell the

person that they have to prove this for themselves, though. At least

this is being upfront and honest. No one is expected to take anyone

at their word. Shri Mataji has often stressed that we are to test

everything for ourselves, like a scientist.

>

> i too agree that if we are afraid, it usually is a fear within

ourselves. We must face any fear within ourselves with the Pure

Light of the Spirit Within, which will dispel all our fears and

replace them with confidence and 'gnana' (inward knowing).

>

> The way i do this is to look at any fears that come up within me,

in the light of my Spirit, so that i can see what is the nature of

this fear (or alternatively, where it is coming from), because the

worst fear is the " fear of fear " itself. Once i see its nature, i

can deal with it and when i have dealt with it, it dispels like mist

does when the sun shines.

>

> This kind of work is part and parcel of " spiritual introspection " .

i too see, as Jagbir does, that there is a force of

organizational 'fear' that also must be overcome on an individual

basis and this 'organizational fear' comes in the form of what

leaders have taught; not what Shri Mataji has taught. We need to

distinguish between the two, which we are attempting to do on this

forum in order to help everyone to overcome these pervasive and

pervading fears.

>

> Btw, it is interesting to note, that Shri Mataji never caused

someone to fear, to my knowledge anyway; She was always loving, and

brave, and upfront and spoke Her Truth loud and clear. She has also

asked us to follow Her example, with courage and dedication to the

Truth of God Almighty.

>

> Love from Violet