Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 jai shri mataji, Can anyone explain why the skin desease occurs, & whats exact reason & how to clear it even feel vibrations on left hand much than right hand palm. & why that skin desease spread from parents to ancestors. & with the help of sahaja treatment how we can remove it or better to advice him to do medical treatments along with sahaja for new sahaja yogi??? Reply me urgent & inform Me that persons vibration & chakra's status too Regards Shailesh India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Shailesh, Skin Deseases come from a hot liver. Please work on your Swadithana and Nabhi chakras on the right side. Ice on the liver daily is very clearing. Despite some of the posts here, clearing techniques work for established Yogis as well as new Yogis. The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. Best Regards, Suzy Yogi raz aaryan <raz_aaryan wrote: jai shri mataji, Can anyone explain why the skin desease occurs, & whats exact reason & how to clear it even feel vibrations on left hand much than right hand palm. & why that skin desease spread from parents to ancestors. & with the help of sahaja treatment how we can remove it or better to advice him to do medical treatments along with sahaja for new sahaja yogi??? Reply me urgent & inform Me that persons vibration & chakra's status too Regards Shailesh India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 , Suzy Creamcheese <suzyogi> wrote: > > Shailesh, > > Skin Deseases come from a hot liver. Please work on your Swadithana > and Nabhi chakras on the right side. Ice on the liver daily is > very clearing. > > Despite some of the posts here, clearing techniques work for > established Yogis as well as new Yogis. The idea is to use them > when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. > > Best Regards, > > Suzy Yogi > Dear Suzy Yogi, i have never said clearing techniques do not work or should not be used. Just like you i am against the daily ritualistic cleansing which many insist is necessary. Some even swear it is mandatory, the more the better. As one SY used to spam this forum with his free and unsolicited chakra reports. As far as he was concerned why do only one footsoak per day when you can do four or five? .............. and there were other SYs to back him. Can you believe that? The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. That is what i am trying to say for years i.e., use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. Despite that the same positive opinion i.e., " use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals " continues to be misinterpreted as " Despite some of the posts here " . In hindsight i have to say that SYs should not invent cures for everything that ails humanity. Check the label to see if the advise and medicine is from Dr. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. And if it does not work just go and see your physician. BTW, my son Arwinder is also having a skin problem, a small thumb-size area has become bald. i have made an appointment with the dermatologist today and will not be trying out what you have recommended. For one thing no one has any idea if they came from Shri Mataji or were invented by some SY. Secondly, there are hundreds of skin diseases and Shri Mataji definitely never covered all of them. If She ever did it would have been just a few. Thirdly, over the years i have heard this cool-your-hot-liver-cure-all just one time too many. It just does not make sense that it can heal so many diseases. Last, but not the least, if you ask 10 SYs the same question about how to cure skin diseases you are bound to get a number of different replies. There is just no consistency but few really bother to find out. But i know all this is part and parcel of the Sahaja Yoga health benefits that will attract seekers. What else have management SYs got left to entice people to join? regards, jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Hi Jagbir, Chill. I didn't mention you by name. Never take cooling the liver or any other SY treatment as a cure all. In addition to "use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals", one should use the right treatment for the right ailment. One should always, always, always go inside and use ones Guru Tatwa to decide whether or not to use any treatment (SY or otherwise). When you are in Sahasrara, you will always get the correct answer. Also, I never meant that the person I was answering shouldn't see a doctor. He asked about an SY treatment. I was mearly giving him the treatment that I know of for skin diseases. And, I have heard Mother talk about the liver manifesting itself as skin ailments. If I can remember the audio tape on which I heard it, I will certainly pass it on to you. I can't believe that there are Sahaja Yogis that actually think that more is better. I was in attendance when Mother said that she gave us the treatments and we should use them. Of course, this is out of context; she added after to use them with discretion. I have a question for you Jagbir. Why did this post turn into an opportunity to mention and denigrate Management SY? My answer had nothing to do with Mgmt. SY. I have nothing to do with Mgmt. SY. I was hoping that this would be a place where we can discuss the "REAL SY" and keep those Mgmt guys out of it. Sorry if I offended you but that was not my intention. Regards, Suzyjagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: , Suzy Creamcheese <suzyogi> wrote:> > Shailesh,> > Skin Deseases come from a hot liver. Please work on your Swadithana> and Nabhi chakras on the right side. Ice on the liver daily is > very clearing.> > Despite some of the posts here, clearing techniques work for > established Yogis as well as new Yogis. The idea is to use them > when needed and to NOT use them as rituals.> > Best Regards,> > Suzy Yogi> Dear Suzy Yogi,i have never said clearing techniques do not work or should not be used. Just like you i am against the daily ritualistic cleansing which many insist is necessary. Some even swear it is mandatory, the more the better. As one SY used to spam this forum with his free and unsolicited chakra reports. As far as he was concerned why do only one footsoak per day when you can do four or five? .............. and there were other SYs to back him. Can you believe that?The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals.The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals.The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals.The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals.The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals.The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals.The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals.That is what i am trying to say for years i.e., use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. Despite that the same positive opinion i.e., "use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals" continues to be misinterpreted as "Despite some of the posts here". In hindsight i have to say that SYs should not invent cures for everything that ails humanity. Check the label to see if the advise and medicine is from Dr. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. And if it does not work just go and see your physician.BTW, my son Arwinder is also having a skin problem, a small thumb-size area has become bald. i have made an appointment with the dermatologist today and will not be trying out what you have recommended. For one thing no one has any idea if they came from Shri Mataji or were invented by some SY. Secondly, there are hundreds of skin diseases and Shri Mataji definitely never covered all of them. If She ever did it would have been just a few. Thirdly, over the years i have heard this cool-your-hot-liver-cure-all just one time too many. It just does not make sense that it can heal so many diseases. Last, but not the least, if you ask 10 SYs the same question about how to cure skin diseases you are bound to get a number of different replies. There is just no consistency but few really bother to find out. But i know all this is part and parcel of the Sahaja Yoga health benefits that will attract seekers. What else have management SYs got left to entice people to join?regards,jagbir for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Dear Jagbir and Suzy Yogi, i have a Sahaja Yoga Treatments book which i was told were the publisher's written accounts, to the best of their ability, of what Shri Mataji had generally approved. Since the publication of this book, however, there seems to be evermore advice that is not mentioned in the Sahaja Yoga Treatments book itself. In regards to Skin Problems, the 'official' Sahaja Yoga Treatments Book says: - " SKIN PROBLEMS Can be due to the right or the left side. Whether liver is too hot or too cold, see hot liver, or Articaria. Correct the imbalance " . Please note that it says " can be due to " . It does not say " is due to " . We must realize that any cures that our Kundalini does within us, is due to our connection with the Divine. Ultimately, as Jesus has said, " Our faith will make us whole " . Energy cleansing and healing is only part and parcel of the Wholistic practice of Meditation, Contemplation, Introspection and last but not least, SURRENDER TO THE DIVINE. It is my belief that we should always give more eminence and credit to the Divine Healer Within and this should always be stressed when giving any Sahaja Yoga Treatments Advice. In practical terms, what i am saying is that a SY should stress that the Kundalini will do the healing because She is your individual Mother. Okay, there are treatments given in the SY Treatments Book that can also be applied but unless a person is also SURRENDERING TO THE DIVINE, and is Meditating, Introspecting and Contemplating WITHIN, any benefit of Sahaja Yoga Treatment will only be temporary at best. My main cures in SY have come from the Divine Within through my desire and they have been dramatic also. One came through great Desire for Kundalini Clearing, while all i could do was Manual Clearing, because my 'thoughtless awareness' had not yet been established. The other dramatic Kundalini clearing came through at a time in my life when i had another great need that happens to a woman at a certain age, and i prayed to the Adi Shakti to heal me. At this time She came as a breeze from outside and i could feel Her rise up from the lowest to the highest energy centre in a spiral motion. As She rose slowly, soothingly and healing, through each chakra to finally come out at the top of my head, i was in total bliss. Therefore, according to my experience, it is my suggestion that when we answer any queries about clearing or treatments, that the Wholistic Answer is given at all times; not just implied, because this is a Public Form and not just a place for Sahaja Yogis alone and people might get the wrong idea and think that Sahaja Yoga is above all, an Alternative Health Centre, without even realizing Who it is that is giving the Gift of Health. What i am saying is that we have to keep our focus on the AUTHOR OF OUR FAITH, not on an outward application of a medical treatment only when we give asked-for Sahaja Yoga Treatment Advice. The wholistic view is in the person's faith. That's why Jesus said " Your faith will make you whole " . The cure was contained in the person's faith and also given as a reward for their faith in the Divine. Btw, i also remember Shri Mataji saying that Sahaja Yoga was not primarily for the purpose of people coming just to get their diseases cured. The curing of diseases was not Shri Mataji's main Vision, Mission and Message, so we always need to keep that in mind. She also stated She did not come on Earth to make Sahaja Yoga into a Medical Centre, but to make it into a Spiritual Centre. There is a difference, and again, our advice to any requests for help need to show that this is a Spiritual Centre. To me, when any posts are exclusively Treatment Oriented and Chakra Clearing Oriented, without the Wholistic Approach, that it then smacks of idolatry. I use the word 'idolatry' to mean when we are seen to be putting all our faith in a treatment and are not at the same time seen to be putting our faith in God, that it looks like 'idolatry'. Idolatry means not giving credence to God, but to our own efforts instead. i am not referring to you Suzi Yogi i understand that you see the true picture. i am referring to the many 'posts' over the years, where it seemed to be a competition of who could come up with the best cures and treatments, without God or Mother Kundalini ever being given a mention. i hope you all understand what i am saying and please, i do not wish to offend anyone. Kind regards, Violet , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > , Suzy Creamcheese > <suzyogi> wrote: > > > > Shailesh, > > > > Skin Deseases come from a hot liver. Please work on your Swadithana > > and Nabhi chakras on the right side. Ice on the liver daily is > > very clearing. > > > > Despite some of the posts here, clearing techniques work for > > established Yogis as well as new Yogis. The idea is to use them > > when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Suzy Yogi > > > > > Dear Suzy Yogi, > > i have never said clearing techniques do not work or should not be > used. Just like you i am against the daily ritualistic cleansing > which many insist is necessary. Some even swear it is mandatory, the > more the better. As one SY used to spam this forum with his free and > unsolicited chakra reports. As far as he was concerned why do only > one footsoak per day when you can do four or five? .............. > and there were other SYs to back him. Can you believe that? > > The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. > The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. > The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. > The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. > The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. > The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. > The idea is to use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals. > > That is what i am trying to say for years i.e., use them when needed > and to NOT use them as rituals. Despite that the same positive > opinion i.e., " use them when needed and to NOT use them as rituals " > continues to be misinterpreted as " Despite some of the posts here " . > In hindsight i have to say that SYs should not invent cures for > everything that ails humanity. Check the label to see if the advise > and medicine is from Dr. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. And if it does > not work just go and see your physician. > > BTW, my son Arwinder is also having a skin problem, a small thumb- size area has become bald. i have made an appointment with the dermatologist today and will not be trying out what you have recommended. For one thing no one has any idea if they came from Shri Mataji or were invented by some SY. Secondly, there are hundreds of skin diseases and Shri Mataji definitely never covered all of them. If She ever did it would have been just a few. Thirdly, over the years i have heard this cool-your-hot-liver-cure-all just one time too many. It just does not make sense that it can heal so many diseases. Last, but not the least, if you ask 10 SYs the same question about how to cure skin diseases you are bound to get a number of different replies. There is just no consistency but few really bother to find out. > > But i know all this is part and parcel of the Sahaja Yoga health benefits that will attract seekers. What else have management SYs got left to entice people to join? > > regards, > > > jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 , Suzy Creamcheese <suzyogi> wrote: > Hi Jagbir, > > Chill. I didn't mention you by name. > My dear Suzy, i am glad you brought this topic out and gave it balance. i am definitely not offended because you too are against ritualistic cleansing. Perhaps i should have made it clear that i was talking to ritualistic SYs in particular than you in general. This confusion is from my side. > Never take cooling the liver or any other SY treatment as a cure > all. In addition to " use them when needed and to NOT use them as > rituals " , one should use the right treatment for the right > ailment. One should always, always, always go inside and use ones > Guru Tatwa to decide whether or not to use any treatment (SY or > otherwise). When you are in Sahasrara, you will always get the > correct answer. > i could not agree more. > Also, I never meant that the person I was answering shouldn't see > a doctor. He asked about an SY treatment. I was mearly giving > him the treatment that I know of for skin diseases. And, I have > heard Mother talk about the liver manifesting itself as skin > ailments. If I can remember the audio tape on which I heard it, I > will certainly pass it on to you. > Years of confusion and contradiction from aspiring SY 'doctors' dispensing cures for all sorts of diseases has left me wary of any advise. i just do not know who is telling the truth, and i don't mean you. i have learnt that it is best to advise seeing a doctor right away instead of them experimenting the findings of perhaps well-meaning SYs. And i still believe that the Divine within heals better than anything external. If the liver is to be cooled, that can be done too automatically. They say the liver gets hot due to too much thinking. Daily meditation and remaining _consciously_ thoughtless definitely helps ........... sans ice-pack. > I can't believe that there are Sahaja Yogis that actually think > that more is better. I was in attendance when Mother said that > she gave us the treatments and we should use them. Of course, > this is out of context; she added after to use them with > discretion. > Discretion is a word that these SYs find difficulty in understanding. > I have a question for you Jagbir. Why did this post turn into an > opportunity to mention and denigrate Management SY? My answer had > nothing to do with Mgmt. SY. I have nothing to do with Mgmt. > SY. I was hoping that this would be a place where we can discuss > the " REAL SY " and keep those Mgmt guys out of it. > You will find sooner or later that many of the problems facing Sahaja Yoga have their roots in management SYs - leaders, co- ordinators, WCASY. For example, we find that a certain leader is the culprit in Mohan's excellent commentary on the corruption of the sacred havan: /message/4524 It is the management SYs who too have corrupted the original treatments given by Shri Mataji. It is they who put their stamp of approval and the rank and file just help spread these innovations. Yes, we are trying to practise the real SY here by learning from each other how to be our own masters. This is the only SY forum which is open to the public and all questions about Shri Mataji and Her Message answered. But some of us have been abused by management SYs and need the strength and assurance that they are just myths. Then there are new seekers who need to be told right away not to listen to management SYs but only to Shri Mataji and the Spirit within. All this requires a contant and concerted effort to be reminded that we must learn to be our own masters. Many SYs still listen to what their leaders tell them to do. Some even agreed to tell Violet that she is no longer welcome at the collective. As far as management SYs are concerned this forum undermines their authority and ability to organize the Truth. And undermine their authority we should ............... by pointing out each and every fault they have made, are making and will make to ruin Sahaja Yoga. If we don't they will only flex their muscles more and take on extra-judiciary powers. The most frightening reality is their ability to convince SYs that lying is in the best interests of seekers, since as representatives of Shri Mataji's Will they are saying so. And there is no dearth of Will-wannabees to carry out their orders. (Who do you think told Violet that she is not welcome in the collective anymore?) That is why it is necessary to maintain a constant vigil by exposing them at every opportunity available. > Sorry if I offended you but that was not my intention. > i was never offended. Thanks anyway. regards, jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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