Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 , " Matt " <mpc5995> wrote: > jagbir, > > It is unfortunate that people have turned their children, their > lives, etc. over to this cult. > > When there is organization, there is corruption. This is the Way > in Maya. It doesn't matter how holy the person who started it, > look at Christianity and other religions now. They are such > powerful cults that people don't even realize it becuase they are > so brainwashed starting at an early age! > > It is unfortunate when an organization stands between people and > the truth. The truth is your birthrigth! Seek out God yourself, > Shri Mataji has opened the door for many but it is up to each of > us to deepen this realtionship with God ourselves. No school, no > organization will do this for us. We must do it ourselves. > Change the world by changing oneself. The truth is within. > > I am sorry that you had the experiences you did and it is good > that you openly speak about them. > > Inner Peace, > > Matt Matt, i believe your post will not be welcome at 'official' SY forums as most subtle system SYs believe in and relate to the external, not internal, Adi Shakti. i wonder if they know that the internal Adi Shakti is eternally young, unlike Her aging incarnation Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Over the years i have hardly found any discussion about this truth despite Shri Mataji's claim that She exists in their Sahasraras. Sometimes i wonder why. Anyway, i was lying in bed just now, still wide awake near midnight, thinking about an email from a religious person who had complained that Shri Mataji should not claim Herself to be the Adi Shakti. i corrected him by explaining that Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the _incarnation_ of the Shakti who had to come in a physical form carrying God Almighty's (Brahman) Divine Message to humanity. Since he did not mind worshipping idols but not a human being i explained it would be better he meditated on Brahman/Shakti within. i also sent him the post: Nirguna Brahman is not unique to Judaism or Islam but Hinduism too /message/4582 What i realized more clearly is that in future people will react to worshipping/meditating on Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi because of Her human form. However, since it is the absolute truth that She is indeed the incarnation of the Shakti within, that is the way it must be presented from now onwards: " Seek out God yourself, Shri Mataji has opened the door for many but it is up to each of us to deepen this realtionship with God ourselves. No school, no organization will do this for us. We must do it ourselves. Change the world by changing oneself. The truth is within. " If we follow what you too believe then it will be impossible for any leader/organization to come between us. And once seekers are assured and convinced that it is the Adi Shakti within, not Her incarnation Shri Mataji without, that is the Source of bodily resurrection and spiritual immortality many will respond favorable to the Divine Message in future. If God (Light) and His Spirit (Shakti) is within then their aversion to worshipping a physical being is removed. All religions and scriptures have this collective unifying truth though sometimes it needs clarification, especially in Islam. But for the first time in history Shri Mataji has released this truth upon human consciousness. All we need is to gather the scriptural evidence and present it to all. People will be able to seek the Divine within themeselves, bypassing the unnecessary rituals and pitfalls that many have experienced in this organization. This realization has been getting stronger and clearer lately. When i look back at the sudden 'sickness' and silence Shri Mataji has displayed since last year it is slowly removing all forms of external worship, steadily strenghtening my faith and attention on Her Inner Sanctuary. But that is where She had been all the while .................. long before Her physical incarnation awakened and made us deeply conscious of the Divine within: TO MY FLOWER CHILDREN You are angry with life Like small children Whose Mother is lost in Darkness Your sulk expressing despair At the fruitless end of your journey You wear Ugliness to discover Beauty You name everything false in the name of Truth You drain out emotions to fill the cup of Love My sweet children, my darlings How can you get peace by waging war With yourself, with your being, with joy itself? Enough are your efforts of renunciation The artificial mask of consolation Now rest in the petals of the lotus flower In the lap of your gracious Mother I will adorn your life with beautiful blossoms And fill your moments with joyful fragrance I will annoint your head with Divine Love For I cannot bear your torture anymore Let me engulf you in the ocean of joy So you lose your being in the Greater one Who is smiling in your calyx of Self Secretly hidden to tease you all the while Be aware and you will find Him Vibrating your every fibre with blissful joy Covering the whole Universe with light. YOUR MOTHER NIRMALA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 > How can it possible without Sahaja Yoga collectivite people see, develop themselves? On internet and this " Adi Shakti " groups ? Or in their home ? > there can be corruption, lies,whatever may be can occur even in Sahaja Yoga Collectivity but All these are part of maya, game ...We just see ourselves, our problems in this collectivite and just can correct ourselves,and just help ourselves and each other in Sahaja Yoga Collectivite... We can not know Who help to us or who we help in this collectivite..Cause it is very strange thing one day you can find yourself help one of Sahaja Yogi who you never quess and one day you are been helped a Sahaja Yogi who really never quess ...As long as Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi not say on the contarary Vishwa Nirmala Dharma Organization and cancel this organization we must accept this organization as our collectivite.. >Leaders, World Councul all off them are story, game.. They can exit today can leave tomorrow... But this organization under our Mother's attention and we just must look ourselves, our development... We must trust our mother and i believe mother do whatever necessery .... We are not above Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. For example May be the world leader can be the worst people in the world but although this even i say , " This is mother choice and there must be a wisdom in this choice.. and just watch it... How can we know much from her... Otherwise we must accept All these are nonsense... JSM >< -- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: > , " Matt " > <mpc5995> > wrote: > > jagbir, > > > > It is unfortunate that people have turned their > children, their > > lives, etc. over to this cult. > > > > When there is organization, there is corruption. > This is the Way > > in Maya. It doesn't matter how holy the person > who started it, > > look at Christianity and other religions now. > They are such > > powerful cults that people don't even realize it > becuase they are > > so brainwashed starting at an early age! > > > > It is unfortunate when an organization stands > between people and > > the truth. The truth is your birthrigth! Seek out > God yourself, > > Shri Mataji has opened the door for many but it is > up to each of > > us to deepen this realtionship with God ourselves. > No school, no > > organization will do this for us. We must do it > ourselves. > > Change the world by changing oneself. The truth > is within. > > > > I am sorry that you had the experiences you did > and it is good > > that you openly speak about them. > > > > Inner Peace, > > > > Matt > > > Matt, i believe your post will not be welcome at > 'official' SY > forums as most subtle system SYs believe in and > relate to the > external, not internal, Adi Shakti. i wonder if they > know that the > internal Adi Shakti is eternally young, unlike Her > aging incarnation > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Over the years i have > hardly found any > discussion about this truth despite Shri Mataji's > claim that She > exists in their Sahasraras. Sometimes i wonder why. > > Anyway, i was lying in bed just now, still wide > awake near midnight, > thinking about an email from a religious person who > had complained > that Shri Mataji should not claim Herself to be the > Adi Shakti. i > corrected him by explaining that Shri Mataji Nirmala > Devi is the > _incarnation_ of the Shakti who had to come in a > physical form > carrying God Almighty's (Brahman) Divine Message to > humanity. Since > he did not mind worshipping idols but not a human > being i explained > it would be better he meditated on Brahman/Shakti > within. i also > sent him the post: > > Nirguna Brahman is not unique to Judaism or Islam > but Hinduism too > /message/4582 > > What i realized more clearly is that in future > people will react to > worshipping/meditating on Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi > because of Her > human form. However, since it is the absolute truth > that She is > indeed the incarnation of the Shakti within, that is > the way it must > be presented from now onwards: > > " Seek out God yourself, Shri Mataji has opened the > door for many but > it is up to each of us to deepen this realtionship > with God > ourselves. No school, no organization will do this > for us. We must > do it ourselves. Change the world by changing > oneself. The truth is > within. " > > If we follow what you too believe then it will be > impossible for any > leader/organization to come between us. And once > seekers are assured > and convinced that it is the Adi Shakti within, not > Her incarnation > Shri Mataji without, that is the Source of bodily > resurrection and > spiritual immortality many will respond favorable to > the Divine > Message in future. If God (Light) and His Spirit > (Shakti) is within > then their aversion to worshipping a physical being > is removed. All > religions and scriptures have this collective > unifying truth though > sometimes it needs clarification, especially in > Islam. But for the > first time in history Shri Mataji has released this > truth upon human > consciousness. All we need is to gather the > scriptural evidence and > present it to all. People will be able to seek the > Divine within > themeselves, bypassing the unnecessary rituals and > pitfalls that > many have experienced in this organization. This > realization has > been getting stronger and clearer lately. > > When i look back at the sudden 'sickness' and > silence Shri Mataji > has displayed since last year it is slowly removing > all forms of > external worship, steadily strenghtening my faith > and attention on > Her Inner Sanctuary. But that is where She had been > all the while > ................. long before Her physical > incarnation awakened and > made us deeply conscious of the Divine within: > > TO MY FLOWER CHILDREN > > You are angry with life > Like small children > Whose Mother is lost in Darkness > Your sulk expressing despair > At the fruitless end of your journey > You wear Ugliness to discover Beauty > You name everything false in the name of Truth > You drain out emotions to fill the cup of Love > My sweet children, my darlings > How can you get peace by waging war > With yourself, with your being, with joy itself? > Enough are your efforts of renunciation > The artificial mask of consolation > Now rest in the petals of the lotus flower > In the lap of your gracious Mother > I will adorn your life with beautiful blossoms > And fill your moments with joyful fragrance > I will annoint your head with Divine Love > For I cannot bear your torture anymore > Let me engulf you in the ocean of joy > So you lose your being in the Greater one > Who is smiling in your calyx of Self > Secretly hidden to tease you all the while > Be aware and you will find Him > Vibrating your every fibre with blissful joy > Covering the whole Universe with light. > > YOUR MOTHER NIRMALA > > > > > > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Dear buket ak, the arguments you brought here sound exactly as the arguments of religious leaders that pretend to represent the will of God and that's why the inocent people must always obey with their disgusting rules they created in order to have the control. And it seems that SY organization it is turning more and more into something like the Church. And i do not believe this is the will of God. Calin --- buket ak <buketak2000 wrote: > > How can it possible without Sahaja Yoga > collectivite > people see, develop themselves? On internet and this > " Adi Shakti " groups ? Or in their home ? > > > there can be corruption, lies,whatever may be can > occur even in Sahaja Yoga Collectivity but All > these > are part of maya, game ...We just see ourselves, our > problems in this collectivite and just can correct > ourselves,and just help ourselves and each other in > Sahaja Yoga Collectivite... We can not know Who help > to us or who we help in this collectivite..Cause it > is > very strange thing one day you can find yourself > help > one of Sahaja Yogi who you never quess and one day > you > are been helped a Sahaja Yogi who really never quess > ..As long as Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi not say on > the > contarary Vishwa Nirmala Dharma Organization and > cancel this organization we must accept this > organization as our collectivite.. > >Leaders, World Councul all off them are story, > game.. > They can exit today can leave tomorrow... But this > organization under our Mother's attention and we > just > must look ourselves, our development... We must > trust > our mother and i believe mother do whatever > necessery > ... We are not above Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. For > example May be the world leader can be the worst > people in the world but although this even i say , > " This is mother choice and there must be a wisdom > in > this choice.. and just watch it... How can we know > much from her... Otherwise we must accept All these > are nonsense... > JSM > >< > > -- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: > > > , > " Matt " > > <mpc5995> > > wrote: > > > jagbir, > > > > > > It is unfortunate that people have turned their > > children, their > > > lives, etc. over to this cult. > > > > > > When there is organization, there is corruption. > > > This is the Way > > > in Maya. It doesn't matter how holy the person > > who started it, > > > look at Christianity and other religions now. > > They are such > > > powerful cults that people don't even realize it > > becuase they are > > > so brainwashed starting at an early age! > > > > > > It is unfortunate when an organization stands > > between people and > > > the truth. The truth is your birthrigth! Seek > out > > God yourself, > > > Shri Mataji has opened the door for many but it > is > > up to each of > > > us to deepen this realtionship with God > ourselves. > > No school, no > > > organization will do this for us. We must do it > > ourselves. > > > Change the world by changing oneself. The truth > > is within. > > > > > > I am sorry that you had the experiences you did > > and it is good > > > that you openly speak about them. > > > > > > Inner Peace, > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > Matt, i believe your post will not be welcome at > > 'official' SY > > forums as most subtle system SYs believe in and > > relate to the > > external, not internal, Adi Shakti. i wonder if > they > > know that the > > internal Adi Shakti is eternally young, unlike Her > > aging incarnation > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Over the years i have > > hardly found any > > discussion about this truth despite Shri Mataji's > > claim that She > > exists in their Sahasraras. Sometimes i wonder > why. > > > > Anyway, i was lying in bed just now, still wide > > awake near midnight, > > thinking about an email from a religious person > who > > had complained > > that Shri Mataji should not claim Herself to be > the > > Adi Shakti. i > > corrected him by explaining that Shri Mataji > Nirmala > > Devi is the > > _incarnation_ of the Shakti who had to come in a > > physical form > > carrying God Almighty's (Brahman) Divine Message > to > > humanity. Since > > he did not mind worshipping idols but not a human > > being i explained > > it would be better he meditated on Brahman/Shakti > > within. i also > > sent him the post: > > > > Nirguna Brahman is not unique to Judaism or Islam > > but Hinduism too > > > /message/4582 > > > > What i realized more clearly is that in future > > people will react to > > worshipping/meditating on Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi > > because of Her > > human form. However, since it is the absolute > truth > > that She is > > indeed the incarnation of the Shakti within, that > is > > the way it must > > be presented from now onwards: > > > > " Seek out God yourself, Shri Mataji has opened the > > door for many but > > it is up to each of us to deepen this realtionship > > with God > > ourselves. No school, no organization will do this > > for us. We must > > do it ourselves. Change the world by changing > > oneself. The truth is > > within. " > > > > If we follow what you too believe then it will be > > impossible for any > > leader/organization to come between us. And once > > seekers are assured > > and convinced that it is the Adi Shakti within, > not > > Her incarnation > > Shri Mataji without, that is the Source of bodily > > resurrection and > > spiritual immortality many will respond favorable > to > > the Divine > > Message in future. If God (Light) and His Spirit > > (Shakti) is within > > then their aversion to worshipping a physical > being > > is removed. All > > religions and scriptures have this collective > > unifying truth though > > sometimes it needs clarification, especially in > > Islam. But for the > > first time in history Shri Mataji has released > this > > truth upon human > > consciousness. All we need is to gather the > > scriptural evidence and > > present it to all. People will be able to seek the > > Divine within > > themeselves, bypassing the unnecessary rituals and > > pitfalls that > > many have experienced in this organization. This > > realization has > > been getting stronger and clearer lately. > > > > When i look back at the sudden 'sickness' and > > silence Shri Mataji > > has displayed since last year it is slowly > removing > > all forms of > > external worship, steadily strenghtening my faith > > and attention on > > Her Inner Sanctuary. But that is where She had > been > > all the while > > ................. long before Her physical > > incarnation awakened and > > made us deeply conscious of the Divine within: > > > > TO MY FLOWER CHILDREN > > > > You are angry with life > > Like small children > > Whose Mother is lost in Darkness > > Your sulk expressing despair > > At the fruitless end of your journey > > You wear Ugliness to discover Beauty > > You name everything false in the name of Truth > > You drain out emotions to fill the cup of Love > > My sweet children, my darlings > > How can you get peace by waging war > > With yourself, with your being, with joy itself? > > Enough are your efforts of renunciation > > The artificial mask of consolation > > Now rest in the petals of the lotus flower > > In the lap of your gracious Mother > > I will adorn your life with beautiful blossoms > > And fill your moments with joyful fragrance > > I will annoint your head with Divine Love > > For I cannot bear your torture anymore > > Let me engulf you in the ocean of joy > > So you lose your being in the Greater one > > Who is smiling in your calyx of Self > > Secretly hidden to tease you all the while > > Be aware and you will find Him > > Vibrating your every fibre with blissful joy > > Covering the whole Universe with light. > > > > YOUR MOTHER NIRMALA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > > > visit my web-page : http://www.geocities.com/calinez _________ Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger. 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