Say it isn't so, Arneau.

[Guest guest]

, " kriptodanny "

<kriptodanny> wrote:

 

> We will know the tree from it's fruits,Ashish...from my point of view

> the WCASY looks much like the pentagon style,based on sub-

structures.I

> wonder one thing,though...Do you think all the speaches of Shri

Mataji

> will be indeed under direct supervision and copywrited by the

> WCASY?..which means people will be dragged in the courts for using

> ,,not authorized ,,quotes from Shri Mataji without the direct

approval

> of the WCASY??..Scary thought,indeed.Welcome to the corporation of

> sahaja yoga!!!You'll do what they say,or you're not a sahaja

yogi.Will

> they sink so low? ..well,only time will tell.As I said,we'll know the

> tree from it's fruits.

 

 

Long time back, I had a discussion with a TM follower about why they

charged so much for people wanting to take up their form of

meditation. His reply was, " You cannot take away our economics. " What

he meant was that they had to collect funds to maintain their

organization and to fund their activities. Recently I had an almost

similar kind of discussion, this time with a senior member of the

Sahaj hierarchy concerning the justification for collecting royalties

to Shri Mataji's talks. It is, of course, fair and justified if one is

buying a new CD or tape to pay for it. But what if one is making a

copy at home for personal use or for that matter to give to a friend,

is it necessary to make a payment of royalty then? Yes, it is

necessary to pay a royalty, said my learned friend, otherwise it is

not 'auspicious.' Besides we need to collect funds for our activities.

That also raised the question whether previous incarnations like

Christ, Buddha and Krishna or their followers charged royalty for

their teachings. Will we soon also charge 'royalty' for people to get

their realization? Or is it that the supposed guardians of Shri

Mataji's legacy are using the same you-cannot-take-away-our-economics

rationale of TM.

 

Perhaps the newer Sahaja Yogis are unaware of how Shri Mataji spoke so

vehemently against TM in the late seventies and early eighties at the

initial stage of Her work in the West. She seldom missed any

opportunity to criticize or mock TM in those days. There was once when

She was talking about God's plan for humanity when She

stressed, " God's plan, I tell you, not world plan! " She was obviously

referring to TM's so-called " World Plan. " This was one of TM's

initiatives for advancement of their aims. Fast forward twenty five

years and Sahaja Yoga has its own " World Council, " with parallel aims.

One wonders if this is just a coincidence or we are me-tooing TM, only

a quarter century late.

 

There was another occasion when, in answer to a question about TM at a

public program, She said, " This talk about stress release is all

nonsense! " The current generation of Sahaja Yogis in our World Council

must have forgotten about Shri Mataji's sharp opinion about " stress

release, " the main attraction of TM, otherwise the supposed custodians

of Shri Mataji's legacy would not be presenting Sahaja Yoga as a

technique for stress management. This is yet another attempt,

wittingly or unwittingly, to mimic TM, again a quarter century late.

 

The more senior members of WCASY should be able to recall the early

years of Sahaja Yoga in England when Shri Mataji was so totally

uncompromising towards TM and then put a stop to this drift towards

the TM-ization of Sahaja Yoga. There is a rumor that some of the

members of WCASY are ex-TMers, which would explain the apparent

influence of TM ideas in WCASY policy. At the current rate could we

expect the convergence of Sahaja Yoga and TM sometime soon? Say it

isn't so, Arneau.

 

Chandra

[Guest guest]

, " my2pai " <my2pai>

wrote:

>

> There was another occasion when, in answer to a question about TM

> at a public program, She said, " This talk about stress release is

> all nonsense! " The current generation of Sahaja Yogis in our World

> Council must have forgotten about Shri Mataji's sharp opinion

> about " stress release, " the main attraction of TM, otherwise the

> supposed custodians of Shri Mataji's legacy would not be presenting

> Sahaja Yoga as a technique for stress management. This is yet

> another attempt, wittingly or unwittingly, to mimic TM, again a

> quarter century late.

>

 

If Shri Mataji was strongly against stress management 25 years ago,

and i believe you too, how come SYs are singing its virtues today?

Just like a number of key issues, it is the contradictory nature of

Sahaja Yoga as taught by management SYs that baffles me. Surely Shri

Mataji had no intention of changing Her stand, one that management

has done without any opposition from the rest, not that their

opinion mattered anyway.

 

i told my wife about this yesterday and asked her why. BTW, she

rarely reads the forum or any SY material for that matter. All she

wants is to meditate and grow on her own. But i just wanted to know

what she thinks about SYs trying the stress management bait to see

if a sprinkling of woman's intuition and a dash of common sense is

sufficient in finding answers to a patriachal problem.

 

She replied that Shri Mataji never wanted stress management to be

used to spread Sahaja Yoga. But over the years SY leaders, after

having exhausted other ways, decided to use it anyway. She believes

that Shri Mataji may have reluctantly agreed to their persuation

after realizing that they were unwilling to make the Divine Message

available i.e., tired of asking them to make Her advent public. i

tend to believe that is the case as i do not see any reason for Shri

Mataji to dilute the message and depreciate Herself in the eyes of

the world.

 

This is not a topic that can be discussed with those responsible for

an obviously WCASY sanctioned deception. At least we should have

answers as to how Her teachings have been corrupted over the last 25

years, all the more while She is still on Earth.

 

regards,

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

, " my2pai " <my2pai>

wrote:

>

> The more senior members of WCASY should be able to recall the

> early years of Sahaja Yoga in England when Shri Mataji was so

> totally uncompromising towards TM and then put a stop to this

> drift towards the TM-ization of Sahaja Yoga. There is a rumor that

> some of the members of WCASY are ex-TMers, which would explain the

> apparent influence of TM ideas in WCASY policy. At the current

> rate could we expect the convergence of Sahaja Yoga and TM

> sometime soon? Say it isn't so, Arneau.

>

> Chandra

>

 

 

And what made council members sworn to the maintenance of Sahaja

ethics in all of their activities do a complete U-turn when 25

years ago they wanted us to believe that:

 

" Shri Kalki is the Redeemer and the Destroyer, the White Rider of

the Christian and Hindu eschatologies, His Coming is actualised by

Sahaja Yoga's implementation of collective consciousness on

earth . . .The Rider is the Destroyer. That was made perfectly clear

in the Gospels and the Kalki Purana. When He will come, He will

neither argue or listen, neither save nor forgive. We should clearly

understand one thing: HH Mataji is the Saviour because She is the

compassionate One to grant us emancipation before the coming of Shri

Kalki. She is the Comforter that Christ has promised. Therefore, all

our attention should be on Her, on the Now, and on self-realsation

that She grants. Shri Kalki is not to be expected now. We are not

ready for Him. He is the beloved and most obedient Son of HH Mataji.

He listens to Her and delays His coming because the Divine Mother

wants us to get our realisation first. "

 

(Grégoire de Kalbermatten, The Advent)

 

 

Just wanted to ask them what stress management and Shri Kalki have

in common. i just do not have their intelligence or wisdom to figure

it on my own. Or is it that when informed that " When He will come,

He will neither argue or listen, neither save nor forgive " people

will be so agitated and frightened that stress management is a

standard prerequisite? i am just guessing and may be wrong as usual.

Maybe i will ask my wife when she returns from work.

 

BTW, it has been announced that WCASY is " committed to the notion of

collective leadership, selfless service and the maintenance of

Sahaja ethics in all of our activities and have adopted two

resolutions as " entry gates " for Council membership. "

 

Since my wife, who does not even follow the forum or read SY mail,

has been able to give accurate answers and solutions to complex

problems besetting Sahaja Yoga i may just ask her to seek the " entry

gates " for Council membership. Now where are these entry gates

anyway? Darn it, they did not even say " A " , " B " or " C " . Can anyone

help me here?

 

regards,

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

, " jagbir singh " <

> And what made council members sworn to the maintenance of Sahaja

> ethics in all of their activities do a complete U-turn when 25

> years ago they wanted us to believe that:

>

> " Shri Kalki is the Redeemer and the Destroyer, the White Rider of

> the Christian and Hindu eschatologies, His Coming is actualised by

> Sahaja Yoga's implementation of collective consciousness on

> earth . . .The Rider is the Destroyer. That was made perfectly

clear

> in the Gospels and the Kalki Purana. When He will come, He will

> neither argue or listen, neither save nor forgive. We should

clearly

> understand one thing: HH Mataji is the Saviour because She is the

> compassionate One to grant us emancipation before the coming of

Shri

> Kalki. She is the Comforter that Christ has promised. Therefore,

all

> our attention should be on Her, on the Now, and on self-realsation

> that She grants. Shri Kalki is not to be expected now. We are not

> ready for Him. He is the beloved and most obedient Son of HH

Mataji.

> He listens to Her and delays His coming because the Divine Mother

> wants us to get our realisation first. "

>

> (Grégoire de Kalbermatten, The Advent)

>

>

> Just wanted to ask them what stress management and Shri Kalki have

> in common. i just do not have their intelligence or wisdom to

figure

> it on my own. Or is it that when informed that " When He will come,

> He will neither argue or listen, neither save nor forgive " people

> will be so agitated and frightened that stress management is a

> standard prerequisite? i am just guessing and may be wrong as

usual.

> Maybe i will ask my wife when she returns from work.

>

> BTW, it has been announced that WCASY is " committed to the notion

of

> collective leadership, selfless service and the maintenance of

> Sahaja ethics in all of our activities and have adopted two

> resolutions as " entry gates " for Council membership. "

>

> Since my wife, who does not even follow the forum or read SY mail,

> has been able to give accurate answers and solutions to complex

> problems besetting Sahaja Yoga i may just ask her to seek

the " entry

> gates " for Council membership. Now where are these entry gates

> anyway? Darn it, they did not even say " A " , " B " or " C " . Can anyone

> help me here?

>

> regards,

>

>

> jagbir

>

Dear Jagbir,

 

I for one would like to hear comments from your wife regarding this.

I am not sure what maintenence of Sahaja ethics are as if there any

rules of ethics we are supposed to be following, I am not sure what

they are? I was tought by Shri Matij that I am my own master, I am

not guilty, I forgive everyone, and I am a spirit. She tought me how

to get self realization and experience of the kundalini. Everything

I do, I seek from within myself. The Holy Spirit, Shri matij,

Comforter, provide me my ethics. Man cannot give me ethics, an

organization cannot give me ethics, nor WCASY cannot give me ethics.

No one has told me I have to do this or do that as entry gates for

membership of Sahaja Yoga. I hope all this makes sense.

 

Love,

 

Chuck

[Guest guest]

, " Chuck "

<chuckhennigan@s...> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> I for one would like to hear comments from your wife regarding

> this. I am not sure what maintenence of Sahaja ethics are as if

> there any rules of ethics we are supposed to be following, I am

> not sure what they are? I was tought by Shri Matij that I am my

> own master, I am not guilty, I forgive everyone, and I am a

> spirit. She tought me how to get self realization and experience

> of the kundalini. Everything I do, I seek from within myself. The

> Holy Spirit, Shri matij, Comforter, provide me my ethics. Man

> cannot give me ethics, an organization cannot give me ethics, nor

> WCASY cannot give me ethics. No one has told me I have to do this

> or do that as entry gates for membership of Sahaja Yoga. I hope

> all this makes sense.

>

> Love,

>

> Chuck

>

 

Dear Chuck,

 

Few SYs know the meaning of " entry gates " or their whereabouts. The

term gives the aura of selected souls entering a heavenly dominion

ordained by the Divine ........... i mean that is what WCASY wants

those aspiring Will-wannabees to think of themselves.

 

i can tell you offhand that women are barred from this Celestial

Circle, perhaps due to the impurity of their monthly mensus. That

does not mean post-menopause aspirants can apply for membership. i

know there will now be an emergency council meeting hastily convened

once they read this goof-up, and a sub-clause added to plug this

feminine loophole.

 

To be eligible for " entry gates " male applications will need to

follow strict rules and have a certain mindset. The main criteria

for admittance is that they must have the abilty to lie and be

dishonest about Shri Mataji and Her Divine Message. Those with no

conscience of being adharmic to humanity are especially coveted.

 

i heard that bonus points are awarded to any murmuring soul who

actively spread rumours about the www.adishakti.org websites and

forums. Even those who stalk and harrass moderators like Violet will

be considered. However this is just hearsay and hopefuls should not

crucify me if it is not true. But the rumour is credible because

they cannot say so in their entry rules as it would be evidence that

they are still carrying out Yogi Mahajan's Inquisytion aginst this

family of possessed and demonic children .............. and those

who support and believe their witnessing the Shakti in the Sahasrara.

 

Chuck, it is true that " Man cannot give me ethics, an organization

cannot give me ethics, nor WCASY cannot give me ethics. " But what

ethics can we learn from a bureaucracy that clearly wants those

able to influence others to continue lying on its behalf?

 

For me the " entry gates " lead to the death and destruction of the

Divine Message to humanity. What has overcome those who now actively

encourage management SYs able to influence Her devotees to come

forward, openly dangling the carrot of approved membership to their

exclusive Inner Circle as a reward?

 

Jai Shri Mataji,

 

 

jagbir