THE HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE OF APPLYING FOR SY MARRIGE THRU' THE CENTER LEADER

[Guest guest]

Dear Sohniya,

 

i am shocked at the treatment you have received from those in charge

of SY. How can anyone insult a woman in such a manner??!!! It is

obvious that abuse by management SYs is quite common since they are

empowered to do certain duties. That so-called self-realized souls

inflict such humiliation on those who ask for help is beyond words.

i can only offer my silence to heal your sufferings sister Sohniya.

 

jagbir

 

 

, " indiblonde "

<indiblonde> wrote:

>

> DEAR ALL,

>

> I HAVE BEEN READING WITH MUCH INTEREST ALL THE TALK ABOUT INDIA35

> AND ANUJ AND MAHESH ..WELL LET ME " ENLIGHTEN " THEM WITH MY

> EXPERIENCE. I STAY IN DUBAI.

>

> DATE: MAY 2004 - TILL JULY 2004

>

> I TOOK A TRIP TO USA TO VISIT MY AUNT. SHE LIVED MORE THAN 2

HOURS DRIVE AWAY FROM THE NEAREST SY CENTER AND I COULD NOT EVEN ASK

HER TO DRIVE ME 2 HOURS TO GO AND ANOTHER 2 HOURS TO COME BACK TO

THE SY CENTER. HENCE I COULD NOT VIST THE CENTER THERE, AS I WAS A

GUEST IN HER HOME.

>

> I USED TO MEDITATE REGULARLY IN HER HOME THOUGH. WHEN I CAME BACK

> IN JULY I VISITED THE SY CENTER AND THE LEADER AND HIS WIFE WERE

> AWAY ON VACATION TILL SEPTEMBER.

>

> DATE: SEPTEMBER 2004

>

> I GOT A CHANCE TO VISIT USA AGAIN, AND BY CHANCE A SYOGI TOLD ME

> THERE WERE SY MARRIAGES BEING HELD IN OCTOBER IN LA. THE CO-

> INCIDENCE WAS I WAS SCHEDULED TO VISIT LA ON EXACTLY THE SAME

> DATES. I WENT TO MY CENTER LEADER FOR A MARRIAGE FORM. THEN THE

> NIGHTMARE BEGAN.

>

> FIRSTLY I CALLED HIM ON THE PHONE AND HE KEPT SAYING HE WAS TOO

BUSY AND DISCONNECTING THE PHONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CONVERSATION.

>

> THEN WHEN I CALLED HIM A NUMBER OF TIMES, HE SAID YOU HAVE TO COME

> TO MY HOME TO " DISCUSS " . HIS HOME IS IN ANOTHER CITY CALLED

SHARJAH AND I HAD TO DRIVE FOR 1.45 HOURS IN HIGH TRAFFIC TO REACH

HIS HOME. WHEN I REACHED THERE HE IMMEDATEDLY BEGAN ATTACKING ME.

HIS NAME IS SURESH NARAYAN.

>

> FIRST HE BOUGHT OUT AN OLD SY MARRIGE FORM. HE ASKED ME IF I

FITTED THE CRITERIA. I SAID I DID, OFCOURSE. HE ALSO KNEW I DID.

BUT HE SAID THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN U IN THE CENTER.

>

> I REPLIED SAYING THAT I WAS IN USA TILL JULY AND HE IS JUST BACK

IN SEPT, SO TAHTS WHY HE DIDNT SEE ME. HE SAID " THAT MEANS YOU ARE

NOT A SERIOUS SY " . (?????)

>

> I REALISED LOOKING AT HIS BODY LANGUAGE HE WAS JUST USING THAT

> OCCASION TO SHOW OFF, SO I JUST LOOKED AT SHRI MATAJI'S PHOTO IN

HIS LIVING ROOM AND SAID " OK WHAT EVER IS MA'S WISH " , AND GOT UP TO

> LEAVE HIS HOME.

>

> HOWEVER HE WAS NOT CONTENT, PERHAPS HE WANTED ME TO BEG HIM FOR

THE FORM. OR HE WANTED TO SHOW HE WAS DOING A BIG FAVOUR TO ME BY

> GIVING ME THE FORM.

>

> SO HE CALLED ME BACK. I WAS SURPRISED, BUT I STAYED ON TO SEE

WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.

>

> HE THEN STARTED ATTACKING ME ON NONSENSICAL THINGS. HE HAD SEEN

ME TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE WHO QUESTION HIS AUTHORITY AND HE HINTED

THAT I SHUD BE " MORE SERIOUS " (READ - BE ON HIS SIDE). I WAS NOT

TAKING ANY SIDES. IF SOMEONE TALKS TO ME IN THE CENTER I DO REPLY

TO THEM. I TALK TO EVERYONE.

>

> THEN HE SAID I DONT GET INVOLVED IN SY ACTIVITIES - I TOLD HIM

THEY NEVER EVER IN THE 2+ YEARS THAT I HAVE ATTENDED THE CENTER EVER

> ANNOUNCED THAT THEY ARE DOING ANY ACTIVITES AND WANT US TO

> VOLUNTEER. (HE JUST KEEPS THE ACTIVITES RESTRICTED TO HIS " INNER

> CIRLCE " OF CRONIES AND RIGHT HAND MEN..AND THEIR CHILDERN ARE THE

> ONLY ONES WHO EVER ARE ALLOWED TO PERFORM ANY DANCES WHEN SHRI MA

> VISITS.)

>

> THEN HE SAID I DONT DONATE ANY MONEY TO THE CENTER, I TOLD HIM I

> DONT HAVE A JOB, YET I HAVE DONATED ON SOME OCCASIONS IN 100'S, HE

> ASKED ME WHEN - I TOLD HIM WHEN THEY WERE COLLECTING MONEY FOR

SHRI MATAJI'S BIRTHDAY PRESENT AND SECONDLY WHEN THEY WERE

COLLECTING FOR HER VISIT TO OUR COUNTRY. HE SAID " THAT ALL IS

USELESS " (?????)

>

> THEN HE ASKED ME IF I HAD VISITED ANY SY CENTER IN USA, I TOLD HIM

> MY AUNT LIVES 2 HOURS DRIVE AWAY AND BEING A GUEST IN HER HOME, I

> COULD ONLY MENTION IT, BUT COULD NOT IMPOSE ON HER TO DRIVE FOR 4

> HOURS TOTAL FOR ME...AND SHE DIDNT WANT TO TAKE ME THERE BECAUSE

SHE DIDNT WANT TO DRIVE FOR 4 HOURS, SO THERE WAS NOTHING THAT I

COULD DO ABOUT IT.

>

> HE SAID " YOU ARE NOT A SERIOUS SY THAT MEANS "

>

> I TOLD HIM THAT I DID MY BEST TO SPREAD SY IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD IN

> USA WHERE I WAS STAYING, AND EVEN WORKED ON SOME PPL. TO GIVE

> REALISATION AND TOLD THEM ABOUT SY AND GAVE THEM MATAJI'S PICTURES

> AND MANTARS AND GAVE THEM ALL THE INFORMATION ETC.

>

> HE SAID " THAT ALL MEANS NOTHING - ITS USELESS "

>

> THEN HE STARTED BOASTING ABOUT HOW HIS CHILDREN SPEND TIME IN THE

> HOT SUN BARE FOOT TO SPREAD SY, (WHICH LATER ON I HEARD FROM OTHER

> SY'S IS A COMPLETE LIE AS ALL CHILDERN GO TOGETHER AND GO ONLY IN

> THE EVENINGS).

>

> THEN HE STARTED ATTACKING ME ON WHERE MY CHAKRAS ARE CATCHING AND

> HIS WIFE ALSO JOINED IN. THEY KEPT SAYING I WAS A BAD SY AND HE

> SAID THIS IS AN OLD FORM. I WILL NOT SHOW YOU THE NEW FORM AS YOU

> DONT FIT THE REQUIRED CRITERIA AT ALL.

>

> I REALISED THAT HE HAD DECIDED EVEN BEFORE I CAME TO HIS HOME TAHT

> HE WOULD NOT GIVE ME THE FORM. YET HE DELIBERATELY MADE ME DRIVE

> ALL THE WAY TO HIS HOME JUST SO HE COULD HAVE THE PLEASURE OF

> INSULTING ME. I TOLD HIM " YOU COULD HAVE TOLD ME ON THE PHONE

THAT YOU WONT GIVE ME THE FORM, I HAVE A FLIGHT TONIGHT, AND YOU

JUST MADE ME DRIVE FOR 2 HOURS AND AGAIN I HAVE TO GO BACK ... "

>

> I FELT REALLY HURT AND I KEPT LOOKING AT SHRI MATAJI'S PICTURE IN

> HIS LIVING ROOM AND TELLING HER IN MY HEART " MA WHATEVER YOU

> WISH...WHATEVER YOU WISH MA "

>

> HE THEN STATED TELLING ME THAT I SHOULD GET MORE INVOLVED (READ -

> JOIN HIS INNDER CIRCLE OF CRONIES WHO LICK HIS FOOTSTEPS) AND THAT

I SHOUD NOT TALK TO THE PPL. WHO QUESTION HIS AUTHORITY. THEN HE

SAID HE WILL NOT GIVE ME THE FORM BUT I COULD GO TO LA AND TELL THEM

TO LET ME JOIN FOR SY MARRIGE. (????????)

>

> THEN HE SAID I DONT THINK YOU ARE FIT TO MARRY AN SY.

>

> THEN HE SAID MAYBE YOU CAN MARRY A NON-SY AND CONVERT HIM (?????

> LIKE ITS HIS CHOICE WHO I MARRY??? )

>

> AND HE KEPT ON SAYING YOU NEED TO GET MORE SERIOUS ABOUT SY.

>

> I TOLD HIM THERE WAS A MAN IN KUWAIT WHO REFUSED TO MARRY IN SY

> BECAUSE HE DIDNT GET A GIRL FROM USA, AND HE IS REGARDED AS A

> SERIOUS SY?? AND HERE I AM, SAYING I WILL MARRY ANYONE AS LONG AS

> ITS A SY MARRIAGE AND IAM NOT A SERIOUS SY?

>

> HE GOT UPSET AND STARTED SHOUTING AT ME.

>

> HIS WIFE KEPT TOUCHING HIS HAND TO CALM HIM DOWN.

>

> I GOT UP AND SAID I WILL NEVER COME TO HIS CENTER AGAIN. THE WAY

HE BEHAVES IS VERY DISCOURAGING AND WHAT IS THE POINT OF COMMING TO

THE CENTER AND BEING A SY WHEN THIS IS HOW SY'S ARE.

>

> AND I DID GO TO LA - BUT COULD NOT GO FOR SY PUJA OR WEDDING

THANKS TO SURESH NARAYAN. I DONT THINK I NEED TO SAY WHAT ALL HE

HAS TOLD HIS CRONIES AND HOW HE MUST HAVE BOASTED ABOUT HIS POWER IN

FRONT OF THEM AND THEY MUST HAVE PRAISED HIM TO THE SKIES.

>

> SOME OF MY SY' BROTHERS AND SISTERS INSISTED I GO TO THE CENTER,

SO I WENT 2 TIMES, BOTH THE TIMES, HIS CRONIES KEPT LOOKING AT ME AS

IF THEY WANTED TO KILL ME (ANGRY LOOKS) AND ONE GIRL STARTED TEASING

> ME " WHEN ARE U GETTING MARRIED?? " , " WHEN ARE U GETTING

MARRIED?? " , AND LAUGHING.

>

> 9 MONTHS DOWN THE LINE SOMEONE FROM THE CENTER CALLED ME AND TOLD

ME WHY DONT YOU COME. I SAID PPL. DONT TALK THERE ...SHE SAID WE

SHUD LEARN TO FORGIVE. SO I STARTED GOING AGAIN. I DONT TALK TO

ANYONE AND HIS CRONIES AND WIFE STILL GIVE ME ANGRY LOOKS. I IGNORE

AND AND JUST MEDITATE AND COME BACK.

>

> HOWEVER IAM QUITE PREPARED MENTALLY TO RESPOND TO ANYONE IF THEY

> TEASE ME AGAIN OR TRY TO ACT FUNNY. BELIEVE ME IAM ...SO VERY

MUCH. AND ALSO STOP GOING THERE.

>

> SO FAR ALL THE PEOPLE I HAVE TOLD THIS TO SAY THIS WAS UNFAIR.

MANY SY'S SYMPHATISE WITH ME BUT ALSO SAY THEY CANNOT HELP ME AS

THEY DONT WANT TO GO AGAINST THE LEADER AND GET INTO THE SAME

SITUATION IAM IN. THEY SAY WE KNOW HE IS WRONG, BUT THEY ARE SAYING,

WE JUST GO THERE TO MEDITATE AND WE IGNORE HIM, WE DONT WANT TO GO

AGAINST HIM. BASICALLY NO BODY WANTS TO GET INTO A MESS. I AGREE

FOR THEM.

>

> I WANT TO KNOW WAHT DO MAHESH, ANUJ AND INDIA335 (WHATEVER HIS

NAME IS ) HAVE TO SAY FOR THIS. IF THEY SAY SAHAJAMATCH IS ANTI-SY

ARE THEY WILLING TO SAY ANYTHING TO THIS LEADER FOR HIS ACTIVITY

ALSO?

>

> JSM,

> SOHNIYA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jai Shri Mataji

 

I fully sympathise with you. I know there are people where leadership goes into their head.

Such people get exposed eventually.

but as I said in my earlier post, If sy marriage works out it is good. If not even then it is Ok.

Shri Mataji works out fine for all her children. There are several permutations and combinations for a minutest event to take place.

Being in witness helps a lot. If It were in my hands, I would have changed the leader right away. But at the moment I can give the bandhan.

Dont worry everything will work out fine.

 

Jai Shri Mataji

 

 

 

indiblonde <indiblonde wrote:

DEAR ALL,I HAVE BEEN READING WITH MUCH INTEREST ALL THE TALK ABOUT INDIA35 AND ANUJ AND MAHESH ..WELL LET ME "ENLIGHTEN" THEM WITH MY EXPERIENCE. I STAY IN DUBAI.DATE: MAY 2004 - TILL JULY 2004I TOOK A TRIP TO USA TO VISIT MY AUNT. SHE LIVED MORE THAN 2 HOURS DRIVE AWAY FROM THE NEAREST SY CENTER AND I COULD NOT EVEN ASK HER TO DRIVE ME 2 HOURS TO GO AND ANOTHER 2 HOURS TO COME BACK TO THE SY CENTER. HENCE I COULD NOT VIST THE CENTER THERE, AS I WAS A GUEST IN HER HOME. I USED TO MEDITATE REGULARLY IN HER HOME THOUGH. WHEN I CAME BACK IN JULY I VISITED THE SY CENTER AND THE LEADER AND HIS WIFE WERE AWAY ON VACATION TILL SEPTEMBER.DATE: SEPTEMBER 2004I GOT A CHANCE TO VISIT USA AGAIN, AND BY CHANCE A SYOGI TOLD ME THERE WERE SY MARRIAGES BEING HELD IN OCTOBER IN LA. THE

CO-INCIDENCE WAS I WAS SCHEDULED TO VISIT LA ON EXACTLY THE SAME DATES. I WENT TO MY CENTER LEADER FOR A MARRIAGE FORM. THEN THE NIGHTMARE BEGAN.FIRSTLY I CALLED HIM ON THE PHONE AND HE KEPT SAYING HE WAS TOO BUSY AND DISCONNECTING THE PHONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CONVERSATION.THEN WHEN I CALLED HIM A NUMBER OF TIMES, HE SAID YOU HAVE TO COME TO MY HOME TO "DISCUSS". HIS HOME IS IN ANOTHER CITY CALLED SHARJAH AND I HAD TO DRIVE FOR 1.45 HOURS IN HIGH TRAFFIC TO REACH HIS HOME. WHEN I REACHED THERE HE IMMEDATEDLY BEGAN ATTACKING ME. HIS NAME IS SURESH NARAYAN. FIRST HE BOUGHT OUT AN OLD SY MARRIGE FORM. HE ASKED ME IF I FITTED THE CRITERIA. I SAID I DID, OFCOURSE. HE ALSO KNEW I DID. BUT HE SAID THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN U IN THE CENTER.I REPLIED SAYING THAT I WAS IN USA TILL JULY AND HE IS JUST BACK IN SEPT, SO TAHTS WHY HE DIDNT SEE ME. HE SAID "THAT MEANS YOU

ARE NOT A SERIOUS SY". (?????)I REALISED LOOKING AT HIS BODY LANGUAGE HE WAS JUST USING THAT OCCASION TO SHOW OFF, SO I JUST LOOKED AT SHRI MATAJI'S PHOTO IN HIS LIVING ROOM AND SAID "OK WHAT EVER IS MA'S WISH", AND GOT UP TO LEAVE HIS HOME.HOWEVER HE WAS NOT CONTENT, PERHAPS HE WANTED ME TO BEG HIM FOR THE FORM. OR HE WANTED TO SHOW HE WAS DOING A BIG FAVOUR TO ME BY GIVING ME THE FORM.SO HE CALLED ME BACK. I WAS SURPRISED, BUT I STAYED ON TO SEE WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.HE THEN STARTED ATTACKING ME ON NONSENSICAL THINGS. HE HAD SEEN ME TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE WHO QUESTION HIS AUTHORITY AND HE HINTED THAT I SHUD BE "MORE SERIOUS" (READ - BE ON HIS SIDE). I WAS NOT TAKING ANY SIDES. IF SOMEONE TALKS TO ME IN THE CENTER I DO REPLY TO THEM. I TALK TO EVERYONE.THEN HE SAID I DONT GET INVOLVED IN SY ACTIVITIES - I TOLD HIM THEY NEVER EVER IN

THE 2+ YEARS THAT I HAVE ATTENDED THE CENTER EVER ANNOUNCED THAT THEY ARE DOING ANY ACTIVITES AND WANT US TO VOLUNTEER. (HE JUST KEEPS THE ACTIVITES RESTRICTED TO HIS "INNER CIRLCE" OF CRONIES AND RIGHT HAND MEN..AND THEIR CHILDERN ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO EVER ARE ALLOWED TO PERFORM ANY DANCES WHEN SHRI MA VISITS.)THEN HE SAID I DONT DONATE ANY MONEY TO THE CENTER, I TOLD HIM I DONT HAVE A JOB, YET I HAVE DONATED ON SOME OCCASIONS IN 100'S, HE ASKED ME WHEN - I TOLD HIM WHEN THEY WERE COLLECTING MONEY FOR SHRI MATAJI'S BIRTHDAY PRESENT AND SECONDLY WHEN THEY WERE COLLECTING FOR HER VISIT TO OUR COUNTRY. HE SAID "THAT ALL IS USELESS" (?????)THEN HE ASKED ME IF I HAD VISITED ANY SY CENTER IN USA, I TOLD HIM MY AUNT LIVES 2 HOURS DRIVE AWAY AND BEING A GUEST IN HER HOME, I COULD ONLY MENTION IT, BUT COULD NOT IMPOSE ON HER TO DRIVE FOR 4 HOURS TOTAL FOR ME...AND SHE DIDNT WANT TO TAKE ME THERE BECAUSE

SHE DIDNT WANT TO DRIVE FOR 4 HOURS, SO THERE WAS NOTHING THAT I COULD DO ABOUT IT.HE SAID "YOU ARE NOT A SERIOUS SY THAT MEANS"I TOLD HIM THAT I DID MY BEST TO SPREAD SY IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD IN USA WHERE I WAS STAYING, AND EVEN WORKED ON SOME PPL. TO GIVE REALISATION AND TOLD THEM ABOUT SY AND GAVE THEM MATAJI'S PICTURES AND MANTARS AND GAVE THEM ALL THE INFORMATION ETC.HE SAID "THAT ALL MEANS NOTHING - ITS USELESS"THEN HE STARTED BOASTING ABOUT HOW HIS CHILDREN SPEND TIME IN THE HOT SUN BARE FOOT TO SPREAD SY, (WHICH LATER ON I HEARD FROM OTHER SY'S IS A COMPLETE LIE AS ALL CHILDERN GO TOGETHER AND GO ONLY IN THE EVENINGS). THEN HE STARTED ATTACKING ME ON WHERE MY CHAKRAS ARE CATCHING AND HIS WIFE ALSO JOINED IN. THEY KEPT SAYING I WAS A BAD SY AND HE SAID THIS IS AN OLD FORM. I WILL NOT SHOW YOU THE NEW FORM AS YOU DONT FIT THE REQUIRED CRITERIA AT ALL.I REALISED THAT HE

HAD DECIDED EVEN BEFORE I CAME TO HIS HOME TAHT HE WOULD NOT GIVE ME THE FORM. YET HE DELIBERATELY MADE ME DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO HIS HOME JUST SO HE COULD HAVE THE PLEASURE OF INSULTING ME. I TOLD HIM "YOU COULD HAVE TOLD ME ON THE PHONE THAT YOU WONT GIVE ME THE FORM, I HAVE A FLIGHT TONIGHT, AND YOU JUST MADE ME DRIVE FOR 2 HOURS AND AGAIN I HAVE TO GO BACK ..."I FELT REALLY HURT AND I KEPT LOOKING AT SHRI MATAJI'S PICTURE IN HIS LIVING ROOM AND TELLING HER IN MY HEART "MA WHATEVER YOU WISH...WHATEVER YOU WISH MA"HE THEN STATED TELLING ME THAT I SHOULD GET MORE INVOLVED (READ - JOIN HIS INNDER CIRCLE OF CRONIES WHO LICK HIS FOOTSTEPS) AND THAT I SHOUD NOT TALK TO THE PPL. WHO QUESTION HIS AUTHORITY. THEN HE SAID HE WILL NOT GIVE ME THE FORM BUT I COULD GO TO LA AND TELL THEM TO LET ME JOIN FOR SY MARRIGE. (????????)THEN HE SAID I DONT THINK YOU ARE FIT TO MARRY AN SY.THEN HE SAID

MAYBE YOU CAN MARRY A NON-SY AND CONVERT HIM (????? LIKE ITS HIS CHOICE WHO I MARRY??? )AND HE KEPT ON SAYING YOU NEED TO GET MORE SERIOUS ABOUT SY.I TOLD HIM THERE WAS A MAN IN KUWAIT WHO REFUSED TO MARRY IN SY BECAUSE HE DIDNT GET A GIRL FROM USA, AND HE IS REGARDED AS A SERIOUS SY?? AND HERE I AM, SAYING I WILL MARRY ANYONE AS LONG AS ITS A SY MARRIAGE AND IAM NOT A SERIOUS SY?HE GOT UPSET AND STARTED SHOUTING AT ME.HIS WIFE KEPT TOUCHING HIS HAND TO CALM HIM DOWN.I GOT UP AND SAID I WILL NEVER COME TO HIS CENTER AGAIN. THE WAY HE BEHAVES IS VERY DISCOURAGING AND WHAT IS THE POINT OF COMMING TO THE CENTER AND BEING A SY WHEN THIS IS HOW SY'S ARE.AND I DID GO TO LA - BUT COULD NOT GO FOR SY PUJA OR WEDDING THANKS TO SURESH NARAYAN. I DONT THINK I NEED TO SAY WHAT ALL HE HAS TOLD HIS CRONIES AND HOW HE MUST HAVE BOASTED ABOUT HIS POWER IN FRONT OF THEM AND THEY MUST HAVE PRAISED HIM TO

THE SKIES.SOME OF MY SY' BROTHERS AND SISTERS INSISTED I GO TO THE CENTER, SO I WENT 2 TIMES, BOTH THE TIMES, HIS CRONIES KEPT LOOKING AT ME AS IF THEY WANTED TO KILL ME (ANGRY LOOKS) AND ONE GIRL STARTED TEASING ME "WHEN ARE U GETTING MARRIED??" , "WHEN ARE U GETTING MARRIED??" , AND LAUGHING.9 MONTHS DOWN THE LINE SOMEONE FROM THE CENTER CALLED ME AND TOLD ME WHY DONT YOU COME. I SAID PPL. DONT TALK THERE ...SHE SAID WE SHUD LEARN TO FORGIVE. SO I STARTED GOING AGAIN. I DONT TALK TO ANYONE AND HIS CRONIES AND WIFE STILL GIVE ME ANGRY LOOKS. I IGNORE AND AND JUST MEDITATE AND COME BACK. HOWEVER IAM QUITE PREPARED MENTALLY TO RESPOND TO ANYONE IF THEY TEASE ME AGAIN OR TRY TO ACT FUNNY. BELIEVE ME IAM ...SO VERY MUCH. AND ALSO STOP GOING THERE.SO FAR ALL THE PEOPLE I HAVE TOLD THIS TO SAY THIS WAS UNFAIR. MANY SY'S SYMPHATISE WITH ME BUT ALSO SAY THEY CANNOT HELP ME AS

THEY DONT WANT TO GO AGAINST THE LEADER AND GET INTO THE SAME SITUATION IAM IN. THEY SAY WE KNOW HE IS WRONG, BUT THEY ARE SAYING, WE JUST GO THERE TO MEDITATE AND WE IGNORE HIM, WE DONT WANT TO GO AGAINST HIM. BASICALLY NO BODY WANTS TO GET INTO A MESS. I AGREE FOR THEM.I WANT TO KNOW WAHT DO MAHESH, ANUJ AND INDIA335 (WHATEVER HIS NAME IS ) HAVE TO SAY FOR THIS. IF THEY SAY SAHAJAMATCH IS ANTI-SY ARE THEY WILLING TO SAY ANYTHING TO THIS LEADER FOR HIS ACTIVITY ALSO?JSM,SOHNIYA-- In , "sahajboy" <sahajboy> wrote:>> > Anuj,this is the owner of> sahajamatch> My name is sahajboy.> I see I got a friend in krytodanny??..or what ever is his true>

name.pLEASE RESPOND TO HIS questions...here,I'll copy/paste for you.> Thank you Daniel.> Jai Shri Mataji!!> sahajboy> > Dear Mahesh> I also observe with pleasure that you have included all kinds of> useful links (matrimony sites) on your own webpage ..> http://www.shalstudios.com/links_of_use.htm> If you regard these sites where people are looking for marriage> as,,evil,, and nonsahaj culture,may I ask you why you are making a> living out of them(as a wedding photographer?)..maybe because you need> their money?..Are you aware that the last marriage puja was in US,and> I am banned to enter US for the next 10 years?..Also,are you aware> that my passport was confiscated by the romanian officials because was> expired for 12 years(while I was in the US..)..so I can't travel> anywhere in the world for the

marriage pujas?..are you aware that EVEN> if I could,it could not be possible for me to obtain a marriage> questionare from my local leader,since I post in this very> forum(Jagbir's) and they hate me for it?> daniel> > , "kriptodanny"> <kriptodanny> wrote:> >> > , mahesh khatri> > <maheshkhatri> wrote:> > >> > > This New group should be closed immediately. Prerna you need some> > meditation. Ask Shri Mataji's forgiveness for indulging in antisahaj> > activities. Shri Ganesh is not going to like it and it could be> > dangerous for you to play with fire.> > >> > > Jai Shri Mataji> > >> > > Mahesh Khatri> > >> > Dear Mahesh> > I would humbly like to

ask you couple of questions..> > 1.Is marriage ,,indulging in antisahaj activities,?> > 2.Is looking for a marriage partner the same thing as,,flirting,, and> > destroying ones innocence?> > 3.Do sahaja yogis have the same right as any other person from this> > planet to choose their own life-partner?> > 4.Do I need my collective leader permission to get married?> > 5.Do I need to travel to India ,spend thousands of dollars,just to> > attend some marriage puja,so maybe I'd get married before I get too old?> > 6.What if the leader doesn't like me,and refuses to give me a marriage> > questionare to apply?..Means that I'm done for life?...What happened> > with my God given right to select a life-partner?..A sahaja> > yogi,persey?..Is this flirting,again?> > 7.Are you from India,and are you aware that arranged marriages is

a> > way of life over there?..Are you aware that this is not a way of life> > in many other cultures?..Do I need to embrace the indian way of life> > to be a sahaja yogi?> > daniel> >>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sohniya,

Your experience is really upsetting, and I am very sorry that you

have been treated so badly.

I pray for your healing from these traumas, and hope that you may

find a person with whom you can share joy and happiness with.

Love, Semira

 

 

 

 

, " indiblonde "

<indiblonde> wrote:

>

> DEAR ALL,

>

> I HAVE BEEN READING WITH MUCH INTEREST ALL THE TALK ABOUT INDIA35

> AND ANUJ AND MAHESH ..WELL LET ME " ENLIGHTEN " THEM WITH MY

> EXPERIENCE. I STAY IN DUBAI.

>

> DATE: MAY 2004 - TILL JULY 2004

>

> I TOOK A TRIP TO USA TO VISIT MY AUNT. SHE LIVED MORE THAN 2

HOURS

> DRIVE AWAY FROM THE NEAREST SY CENTER AND I COULD NOT EVEN ASK HER

> TO DRIVE ME 2 HOURS TO GO AND ANOTHER 2 HOURS TO COME BACK TO THE

SY

> CENTER. HENCE I COULD NOT VIST THE CENTER THERE, AS I WAS A GUEST

> IN HER HOME.

>

> I USED TO MEDITATE REGULARLY IN HER HOME THOUGH. WHEN I CAME BACK

> IN JULY I VISITED THE SY CENTER AND THE LEADER AND HIS WIFE WERE

> AWAY ON VACATION TILL SEPTEMBER.

>

> DATE: SEPTEMBER 2004

>

> I GOT A CHANCE TO VISIT USA AGAIN, AND BY CHANCE A SYOGI TOLD ME

> THERE WERE SY MARRIAGES BEING HELD IN OCTOBER IN LA. THE CO-

> INCIDENCE WAS I WAS SCHEDULED TO VISIT LA ON EXACTLY THE SAME

> DATES. I WENT TO MY CENTER LEADER FOR A MARRIAGE FORM. THEN THE

> NIGHTMARE BEGAN.

>

> FIRSTLY I CALLED HIM ON THE PHONE AND HE KEPT SAYING HE WAS TOO

BUSY

> AND DISCONNECTING THE PHONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CONVERSATION.

>

> THEN WHEN I CALLED HIM A NUMBER OF TIMES, HE SAID YOU HAVE TO COME

> TO MY HOME TO " DISCUSS " . HIS HOME IS IN ANOTHER CITY CALLED

SHARJAH

> AND I HAD TO DRIVE FOR 1.45 HOURS IN HIGH TRAFFIC TO REACH HIS

> HOME. WHEN I REACHED THERE HE IMMEDATEDLY BEGAN ATTACKING ME. HIS

> NAME IS SURESH NARAYAN.

>

> FIRST HE BOUGHT OUT AN OLD SY MARRIGE FORM. HE ASKED ME IF I

FITTED

> THE CRITERIA. I SAID I DID, OFCOURSE. HE ALSO KNEW I DID. BUT

HE

> SAID THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN U IN THE CENTER.

>

> I REPLIED SAYING THAT I WAS IN USA TILL JULY AND HE IS JUST BACK

IN

> SEPT, SO TAHTS WHY HE DIDNT SEE ME. HE SAID " THAT MEANS YOU ARE

NOT

> A SERIOUS SY " . (?????)

>

> I REALISED LOOKING AT HIS BODY LANGUAGE HE WAS JUST USING THAT

> OCCASION TO SHOW OFF, SO I JUST LOOKED AT SHRI MATAJI'S PHOTO IN

HIS

> LIVING ROOM AND SAID " OK WHAT EVER IS MA'S WISH " , AND GOT UP TO

> LEAVE HIS HOME.

>

> HOWEVER HE WAS NOT CONTENT, PERHAPS HE WANTED ME TO BEG HIM FOR

THE

> FORM. OR HE WANTED TO SHOW HE WAS DOING A BIG FAVOUR TO ME BY

> GIVING ME THE FORM.

>

> SO HE CALLED ME BACK. I WAS SURPRISED, BUT I STAYED ON TO SEE

WHAT

> HE HAD TO SAY.

>

> HE THEN STARTED ATTACKING ME ON NONSENSICAL THINGS. HE HAD SEEN

ME

> TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE WHO QUESTION HIS AUTHORITY AND HE HINTED

THAT

> I SHUD BE " MORE SERIOUS " (READ - BE ON HIS SIDE). I WAS NOT

TAKING

> ANY SIDES. IF SOMEONE TALKS TO ME IN THE CENTER I DO REPLY TO

> THEM. I TALK TO EVERYONE.

>

> THEN HE SAID I DONT GET INVOLVED IN SY ACTIVITIES - I TOLD HIM

THEY

> NEVER EVER IN THE 2+ YEARS THAT I HAVE ATTENDED THE CENTER EVER

> ANNOUNCED THAT THEY ARE DOING ANY ACTIVITES AND WANT US TO

> VOLUNTEER. (HE JUST KEEPS THE ACTIVITES RESTRICTED TO HIS " INNER

> CIRLCE " OF CRONIES AND RIGHT HAND MEN..AND THEIR CHILDERN ARE THE

> ONLY ONES WHO EVER ARE ALLOWED TO PERFORM ANY DANCES WHEN SHRI MA

> VISITS.)

>

> THEN HE SAID I DONT DONATE ANY MONEY TO THE CENTER, I TOLD HIM I

> DONT HAVE A JOB, YET I HAVE DONATED ON SOME OCCASIONS IN 100'S, HE

> ASKED ME WHEN - I TOLD HIM WHEN THEY WERE COLLECTING MONEY FOR

SHRI

> MATAJI'S BIRTHDAY PRESENT AND SECONDLY WHEN THEY WERE COLLECTING

FOR

> HER VISIT TO OUR COUNTRY. HE SAID " THAT ALL IS USELESS " (?????)

>

> THEN HE ASKED ME IF I HAD VISITED ANY SY CENTER IN USA, I TOLD HIM

> MY AUNT LIVES 2 HOURS DRIVE AWAY AND BEING A GUEST IN HER HOME, I

> COULD ONLY MENTION IT, BUT COULD NOT IMPOSE ON HER TO DRIVE FOR 4

> HOURS TOTAL FOR ME...AND SHE DIDNT WANT TO TAKE ME THERE BECAUSE

SHE

> DIDNT WANT TO DRIVE FOR 4 HOURS, SO THERE WAS NOTHING THAT I COULD

> DO ABOUT IT.

>

> HE SAID " YOU ARE NOT A SERIOUS SY THAT MEANS "

>

> I TOLD HIM THAT I DID MY BEST TO SPREAD SY IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD IN

> USA WHERE I WAS STAYING, AND EVEN WORKED ON SOME PPL. TO GIVE

> REALISATION AND TOLD THEM ABOUT SY AND GAVE THEM MATAJI'S PICTURES

> AND MANTARS AND GAVE THEM ALL THE INFORMATION ETC.

>

> HE SAID " THAT ALL MEANS NOTHING - ITS USELESS "

>

> THEN HE STARTED BOASTING ABOUT HOW HIS CHILDREN SPEND TIME IN THE

> HOT SUN BARE FOOT TO SPREAD SY, (WHICH LATER ON I HEARD FROM OTHER

> SY'S IS A COMPLETE LIE AS ALL CHILDERN GO TOGETHER AND GO ONLY IN

> THE EVENINGS).

>

> THEN HE STARTED ATTACKING ME ON WHERE MY CHAKRAS ARE CATCHING AND

> HIS WIFE ALSO JOINED IN. THEY KEPT SAYING I WAS A BAD SY AND HE

> SAID THIS IS AN OLD FORM. I WILL NOT SHOW YOU THE NEW FORM AS YOU

> DONT FIT THE REQUIRED CRITERIA AT ALL.

>

> I REALISED THAT HE HAD DECIDED EVEN BEFORE I CAME TO HIS HOME TAHT

> HE WOULD NOT GIVE ME THE FORM. YET HE DELIBERATELY MADE ME DRIVE

> ALL THE WAY TO HIS HOME JUST SO HE COULD HAVE THE PLEASURE OF

> INSULTING ME. I TOLD HIM " YOU COULD HAVE TOLD ME ON THE PHONE

THAT

> YOU WONT GIVE ME THE FORM, I HAVE A FLIGHT TONIGHT, AND YOU JUST

> MADE ME DRIVE FOR 2 HOURS AND AGAIN I HAVE TO GO BACK ... "

>

> I FELT REALLY HURT AND I KEPT LOOKING AT SHRI MATAJI'S PICTURE IN

> HIS LIVING ROOM AND TELLING HER IN MY HEART " MA WHATEVER YOU

> WISH...WHATEVER YOU WISH MA "

>

> HE THEN STATED TELLING ME THAT I SHOULD GET MORE INVOLVED (READ -

> JOIN HIS INNDER CIRCLE OF CRONIES WHO LICK HIS FOOTSTEPS) AND THAT

I

> SHOUD NOT TALK TO THE PPL. WHO QUESTION HIS AUTHORITY. THEN HE

SAID

> HE WILL NOT GIVE ME THE FORM BUT I COULD GO TO LA AND TELL THEM TO

> LET ME JOIN FOR SY MARRIGE. (????????)

>

> THEN HE SAID I DONT THINK YOU ARE FIT TO MARRY AN SY.

>

> THEN HE SAID MAYBE YOU CAN MARRY A NON-SY AND CONVERT HIM (?????

> LIKE ITS HIS CHOICE WHO I MARRY??? )

>

> AND HE KEPT ON SAYING YOU NEED TO GET MORE SERIOUS ABOUT SY.

>

> I TOLD HIM THERE WAS A MAN IN KUWAIT WHO REFUSED TO MARRY IN SY

> BECAUSE HE DIDNT GET A GIRL FROM USA, AND HE IS REGARDED AS A

> SERIOUS SY?? AND HERE I AM, SAYING I WILL MARRY ANYONE AS LONG AS

> ITS A SY MARRIAGE AND IAM NOT A SERIOUS SY?

>

> HE GOT UPSET AND STARTED SHOUTING AT ME.

>

> HIS WIFE KEPT TOUCHING HIS HAND TO CALM HIM DOWN.

>

> I GOT UP AND SAID I WILL NEVER COME TO HIS CENTER AGAIN. THE WAY

HE

> BEHAVES IS VERY DISCOURAGING AND WHAT IS THE POINT OF COMMING TO

THE

> CENTER AND BEING A SY WHEN THIS IS HOW SY'S ARE.

>

> AND I DID GO TO LA - BUT COULD NOT GO FOR SY PUJA OR WEDDING

THANKS

> TO SURESH NARAYAN. I DONT THINK I NEED TO SAY WHAT ALL HE HAS

TOLD

> HIS CRONIES AND HOW HE MUST HAVE BOASTED ABOUT HIS POWER IN FRONT

OF

> THEM AND THEY MUST HAVE PRAISED HIM TO THE SKIES.

>

> SOME OF MY SY' BROTHERS AND SISTERS INSISTED I GO TO THE CENTER,

SO

> I WENT 2 TIMES, BOTH THE TIMES, HIS CRONIES KEPT LOOKING AT ME AS

IF

> THEY WANTED TO KILL ME (ANGRY LOOKS) AND ONE GIRL STARTED TEASING

> ME " WHEN ARE U GETTING MARRIED?? " , " WHEN ARE U GETTING

MARRIED?? " ,

> AND LAUGHING.

>

> 9 MONTHS DOWN THE LINE SOMEONE FROM THE CENTER CALLED ME AND TOLD

ME

> WHY DONT YOU COME. I SAID PPL. DONT TALK THERE ...SHE SAID WE

SHUD

> LEARN TO FORGIVE. SO I STARTED GOING AGAIN. I DONT TALK TO ANYONE

> AND HIS CRONIES AND WIFE STILL GIVE ME ANGRY LOOKS. I IGNORE AND

> AND JUST MEDITATE AND COME BACK.

>

> HOWEVER IAM QUITE PREPARED MENTALLY TO RESPOND TO ANYONE IF THEY

> TEASE ME AGAIN OR TRY TO ACT FUNNY. BELIEVE ME IAM ...SO VERY

MUCH.

> AND ALSO STOP GOING THERE.

>

> SO FAR ALL THE PEOPLE I HAVE TOLD THIS TO SAY THIS WAS UNFAIR.

MANY

> SY'S SYMPHATISE WITH ME BUT ALSO SAY THEY CANNOT HELP ME AS THEY

> DONT WANT TO GO AGAINST THE LEADER AND GET INTO THE SAME SITUATION

> IAM IN. THEY SAY WE KNOW HE IS WRONG, BUT THEY ARE SAYING, WE JUST

> GO THERE TO MEDITATE AND WE IGNORE HIM, WE DONT WANT TO GO AGAINST

> HIM. BASICALLY NO BODY WANTS TO GET INTO A MESS. I AGREE FOR THEM.

>

> I WANT TO KNOW WAHT DO MAHESH, ANUJ AND INDIA335 (WHATEVER HIS

NAME

> IS ) HAVE TO SAY FOR THIS. IF THEY SAY SAHAJAMATCH IS ANTI-SY ARE

> THEY WILLING TO SAY ANYTHING TO THIS LEADER FOR HIS ACTIVITY ALSO?

>

> JSM,

> SOHNIYA

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

-- In , " sahajboy "

> <sahajboy> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Anuj,this is the owner of

> > sahajamatch

> > My name is sahajboy.

> > I see I got a friend in krytodanny??..or what ever is his true

> > name.pLEASE RESPOND TO HIS questions...here,I'll copy/paste for

> you.

> > Thank you Daniel.

> > Jai Shri Mataji!!

> > sahajboy

> >

> > Dear Mahesh

> > I also observe with pleasure that you have included all kinds of

> > useful links (matrimony sites) on your own webpage ..

> > http://www.shalstudios.com/links_of_use.htm

> > If you regard these sites where people are looking for marriage

> > as,,evil,, and nonsahaj culture,may I ask you why you are making

a

> > living out of them(as a wedding photographer?)..maybe because

you

> need

> > their money?..Are you aware that the last marriage puja was in

> US,and

> > I am banned to enter US for the next 10 years?..Also,are you

aware

> > that my passport was confiscated by the romanian officials

because

> was

> > expired for 12 years(while I was in the US..)..so I can't travel

> > anywhere in the world for the marriage pujas?..are you aware

that

> EVEN

> > if I could,it could not be possible for me to obtain a marriage

> > questionare from my local leader,since I post in this very

> > forum(Jagbir's) and they hate me for it?

> > daniel

> >

> > , " kriptodanny "

> > <kriptodanny> wrote:

> > >

> > > , mahesh khatri

> > > <maheshkhatri> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > This New group should be closed immediately. Prerna you need

> some

> > > meditation. Ask Shri Mataji's forgiveness for indulging in

> antisahaj

> > > activities. Shri Ganesh is not going to like it and it could be

> > > dangerous for you to play with fire.

> > > >

> > > > Jai Shri Mataji

> > > >

> > > > Mahesh Khatri

> > > >

> > > Dear Mahesh

> > > I would humbly like to ask you couple of questions..

> > > 1.Is marriage ,,indulging in antisahaj activities,?

> > > 2.Is looking for a marriage partner the same thing

> as,,flirting,, and

> > > destroying ones innocence?

> > > 3.Do sahaja yogis have the same right as any other person from

> this

> > > planet to choose their own life-partner?

> > > 4.Do I need my collective leader permission to get married?

> > > 5.Do I need to travel to India ,spend thousands of

dollars,just

> to

> > > attend some marriage puja,so maybe I'd get married before I

get

> too old?

> > > 6.What if the leader doesn't like me,and refuses to give me a

> marriage

> > > questionare to apply?..Means that I'm done for life?...What

> happened

> > > with my God given right to select a life-partner?..A sahaja

> > > yogi,persey?..Is this flirting,again?

> > > 7.Are you from India,and are you aware that arranged marriages

> is a

> > > way of life over there?..Are you aware that this is not a way

of

> life

> > > in many other cultures?..Do I need to embrace the indian way

of

> life

> > > to be a sahaja yogi?

> > > daniel

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jai Shri Mataji

 

First of all it should be very clear that being in sy does not give anyone a special privilege to get married in sy.

If it works out good, it is ok. If not still it is Ok.

It should not be made an issue and Shri Mataji’s protocols should be followed at all costs.

If it is in your Karma to have a sy partner, even if you marry a non sy, he or she would take to sy.

Shri Mataji has said several times that our attention should be on our sahastrar and not marriage or anything else. If we attend sy programs and our eyes search for a partner over there, It is no good. Shri Mataji would not like it.

And to set up a group to promote what Shri Mataji would not definitely like, is inviting trouble.

No one would take any action on anyone. But Kundalini, ganas would definitely do what they like for breaking the protocols.

Everything can be argued or justified.

So you can do what you like.

Being a sy brother, It is my duty to point out what is wrong. If I do not bring your attention, I would be in the wrong as I would have to answer Shri Mataji what did I do when I saw something going wrong. Did you at least point out?

I have done my duty and that’s it.

You don’t need my approval to go on with the group or whatever.

Everyone has got their own wisdom and freedom to do what they want to do.

 

Jai Shri Mataji.

 

 

Mahesh Khatri

RESPONSE TO INDIA335 & MAHESH KHATRI.I would like you both to reply to the following:1 – Do you know about how many sy's men and women meet at sy puja's and then decide to get married to each other without applying for marriage? They just meet, like each other, and do it, MUCH LIKE YOU WOULD MEET SOMEONE IN A PARTY .. usually selecting each other on basis of same origin (for example an oriental man met an oriental looking woman NOT IN THE SY MARRIAGE

WAY THOUGH and they both decided to marry each other and entered the sy marriage having selected each other THEMSELVES –For them, meeting platform was the puja, so would you now say they are absurd or they are doing anti-sahaj activity? Is their way of meeting and deciding to get married any more anti-sy than someone meeting each other on sahajamatch? If you want to close down shajamatch then what about puja's that are providing fertile ground to "this kind of activity".2 – Do u know the number of sy's listed on various non-sy matrimonial sites clearly stating they are sahaja yogi's and talking

with NON-sy's and having to deal with their ignorance of sy and its culture, just because there isn't a site for sy's to meet each other. And what if a sy girl and sy boy happen to meet each other on a non-sy site...should they not talk to each other just because they both are sy and talk to other non-sy's instead for marriage?Since the sites are non-sy and even the rest of the members are non-sy, the few sy's listed there have to deal with anti-sy behaviour and manners in the NON-SY-MATRIMONIAL SITES.And as obvious from point 1 above, not everyone wants to go thru'

the leaders.Do you know how that its much easier for a sy to talk to a sy on a sy matrimonial site than to a non-sy on a non-sy matrimonial site who cannot or does not even want to know/understand why the sy has such sy values and even criticises the sy for it?3 – Do you know that if you let the sy's be their own guru and exercise their right to make their own decisions about right and wrong, many will decide for themselves if they want to join sahajamatch or not. We are not forcing them to join, why are you trying to stop them? If they are mature enough to be married,

aren't they mature enough to know right from wrong…that too in such a basic matter. Why are you "deciding" (imposing?) on them. Why do u not want to give them the freedom to decide for themselves?4 - Do you know the number of sy's who say they don't want leaders deciding for them who they will marry? Do u know how many sy's are left with no choice but to marry non-sy's because of your attitude? 5 -You do not stop sy's from marrying non-sy's from the numerous non-sy matrimonial sites, but you want to stop sy's from marrying sy's on a sy matrimonial site? 7

- Do u know the number of sy's who secretly say they want to have this kind of freedom to select a sy partner however, because they are too afraid to be thrown out of the collective they end up marrying non-sys? 8- Do u know the corruption on the leadership level in sy where they arrange marriages only because someone wants to move from asian countries to us/uk /europe and this is their free citizenship ticket? 9- Do u know the number of sy's who refuse to marry each other JUST BECAUSE OF THE COUNTRY...THEY WANT TO GO TO US/UK/ EUROPE AND THEY refuse to marry ppl. selected for them from non-european countries? 10- Do you know the number of sy's just waiting and wanting to join the shajamatch group, but too scared to do so just because they do not want to be boycotted, by what they feel, is a too rigid

attitude, but also know there is no talking sense to you. Or are waiting for someone to open the gates for them to walk through, too scared to take the first step themselves, lest they be castout?11- Do you know the repercussions of suppressing something like this in the long term? Do you know the number of sy's who secretly are in love with each other without letting the collective know? They are waiting for a puja to declare they are getting married to each other…Kindly let me know just how anti-sahaja the above activites are and lets reflect on how the sahajamatch is a much-awaited much needed

group. Seek the truth and it will set you free. JSM, With much love,Prerna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,Mahesh Khatri

http://www.geocities.com/maheshkhatri/Maheshkhatri.html

http://www.sahajayogaradio.org/

www.sahajayoga.ca

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sohniya,

 

i too felt for you, dear Sohniya.

 

No one should have to go through what you went through.

 

My Love To You.

 

Violet

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sohniya,

>

> i am shocked at the treatment you have received from those in

charge

> of SY. How can anyone insult a woman in such a manner??!!! It is

> obvious that abuse by management SYs is quite common since they

are

> empowered to do certain duties. That so-called self-realized souls

> inflict such humiliation on those who ask for help is beyond

words.

> i can only offer my silence to heal your sufferings sister Sohniya.

>

> jagbir

>

>

> , " indiblonde "

> <indiblonde> wrote:

> >

> > DEAR ALL,

> >

> > I HAVE BEEN READING WITH MUCH INTEREST ALL THE TALK ABOUT

INDIA35

> > AND ANUJ AND MAHESH ..WELL LET ME " ENLIGHTEN " THEM WITH MY

> > EXPERIENCE. I STAY IN DUBAI.

> >

> > DATE: MAY 2004 - TILL JULY 2004

> >

> > I TOOK A TRIP TO USA TO VISIT MY AUNT. SHE LIVED MORE THAN 2

> HOURS DRIVE AWAY FROM THE NEAREST SY CENTER AND I COULD NOT EVEN

ASK

> HER TO DRIVE ME 2 HOURS TO GO AND ANOTHER 2 HOURS TO COME BACK TO

> THE SY CENTER. HENCE I COULD NOT VIST THE CENTER THERE, AS I WAS

A

> GUEST IN HER HOME.

> >

> > I USED TO MEDITATE REGULARLY IN HER HOME THOUGH. WHEN I CAME

BACK

> > IN JULY I VISITED THE SY CENTER AND THE LEADER AND HIS WIFE WERE

> > AWAY ON VACATION TILL SEPTEMBER.

> >

> > DATE: SEPTEMBER 2004

> >

> > I GOT A CHANCE TO VISIT USA AGAIN, AND BY CHANCE A SYOGI TOLD ME

> > THERE WERE SY MARRIAGES BEING HELD IN OCTOBER IN LA. THE CO-

> > INCIDENCE WAS I WAS SCHEDULED TO VISIT LA ON EXACTLY THE SAME

> > DATES. I WENT TO MY CENTER LEADER FOR A MARRIAGE FORM. THEN

THE

> > NIGHTMARE BEGAN.

> >

> > FIRSTLY I CALLED HIM ON THE PHONE AND HE KEPT SAYING HE WAS TOO

> BUSY AND DISCONNECTING THE PHONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CONVERSATION.

> >

> > THEN WHEN I CALLED HIM A NUMBER OF TIMES, HE SAID YOU HAVE TO

COME

> > TO MY HOME TO " DISCUSS " . HIS HOME IS IN ANOTHER CITY CALLED

> SHARJAH AND I HAD TO DRIVE FOR 1.45 HOURS IN HIGH TRAFFIC TO REACH

> HIS HOME. WHEN I REACHED THERE HE IMMEDATEDLY BEGAN ATTACKING ME.

> HIS NAME IS SURESH NARAYAN.

> >

> > FIRST HE BOUGHT OUT AN OLD SY MARRIGE FORM. HE ASKED ME IF I

> FITTED THE CRITERIA. I SAID I DID, OFCOURSE. HE ALSO KNEW I

DID.

> BUT HE SAID THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN U IN THE CENTER.

> >

> > I REPLIED SAYING THAT I WAS IN USA TILL JULY AND HE IS JUST BACK

> IN SEPT, SO TAHTS WHY HE DIDNT SEE ME. HE SAID " THAT MEANS YOU

ARE

> NOT A SERIOUS SY " . (?????)

> >

> > I REALISED LOOKING AT HIS BODY LANGUAGE HE WAS JUST USING THAT

> > OCCASION TO SHOW OFF, SO I JUST LOOKED AT SHRI MATAJI'S PHOTO IN

> HIS LIVING ROOM AND SAID " OK WHAT EVER IS MA'S WISH " , AND GOT UP

TO

> > LEAVE HIS HOME.

> >

> > HOWEVER HE WAS NOT CONTENT, PERHAPS HE WANTED ME TO BEG HIM FOR

> THE FORM. OR HE WANTED TO SHOW HE WAS DOING A BIG FAVOUR TO ME BY

> > GIVING ME THE FORM.

> >

> > SO HE CALLED ME BACK. I WAS SURPRISED, BUT I STAYED ON TO SEE

> WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.

> >

> > HE THEN STARTED ATTACKING ME ON NONSENSICAL THINGS. HE HAD SEEN

> ME TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE WHO QUESTION HIS AUTHORITY AND HE HINTED

> THAT I SHUD BE " MORE SERIOUS " (READ - BE ON HIS SIDE). I WAS NOT

> TAKING ANY SIDES. IF SOMEONE TALKS TO ME IN THE CENTER I DO REPLY

> TO THEM. I TALK TO EVERYONE.

> >

> > THEN HE SAID I DONT GET INVOLVED IN SY ACTIVITIES - I TOLD HIM

> THEY NEVER EVER IN THE 2+ YEARS THAT I HAVE ATTENDED THE CENTER

EVER

> > ANNOUNCED THAT THEY ARE DOING ANY ACTIVITES AND WANT US TO

> > VOLUNTEER. (HE JUST KEEPS THE ACTIVITES RESTRICTED TO

HIS " INNER

> > CIRLCE " OF CRONIES AND RIGHT HAND MEN..AND THEIR CHILDERN ARE

THE

> > ONLY ONES WHO EVER ARE ALLOWED TO PERFORM ANY DANCES WHEN SHRI

MA

> > VISITS.)

> >

> > THEN HE SAID I DONT DONATE ANY MONEY TO THE CENTER, I TOLD HIM

I

> > DONT HAVE A JOB, YET I HAVE DONATED ON SOME OCCASIONS IN 100'S,

HE

> > ASKED ME WHEN - I TOLD HIM WHEN THEY WERE COLLECTING MONEY FOR

> SHRI MATAJI'S BIRTHDAY PRESENT AND SECONDLY WHEN THEY WERE

> COLLECTING FOR HER VISIT TO OUR COUNTRY. HE SAID " THAT ALL IS

> USELESS " (?????)

> >

> > THEN HE ASKED ME IF I HAD VISITED ANY SY CENTER IN USA, I TOLD

HIM

> > MY AUNT LIVES 2 HOURS DRIVE AWAY AND BEING A GUEST IN HER HOME,

I

> > COULD ONLY MENTION IT, BUT COULD NOT IMPOSE ON HER TO DRIVE FOR

4

> > HOURS TOTAL FOR ME...AND SHE DIDNT WANT TO TAKE ME THERE BECAUSE

> SHE DIDNT WANT TO DRIVE FOR 4 HOURS, SO THERE WAS NOTHING THAT I

> COULD DO ABOUT IT.

> >

> > HE SAID " YOU ARE NOT A SERIOUS SY THAT MEANS "

> >

> > I TOLD HIM THAT I DID MY BEST TO SPREAD SY IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD

IN

> > USA WHERE I WAS STAYING, AND EVEN WORKED ON SOME PPL. TO GIVE

> > REALISATION AND TOLD THEM ABOUT SY AND GAVE THEM MATAJI'S

PICTURES

> > AND MANTARS AND GAVE THEM ALL THE INFORMATION ETC.

> >

> > HE SAID " THAT ALL MEANS NOTHING - ITS USELESS "

> >

> > THEN HE STARTED BOASTING ABOUT HOW HIS CHILDREN SPEND TIME IN

THE

> > HOT SUN BARE FOOT TO SPREAD SY, (WHICH LATER ON I HEARD FROM

OTHER

> > SY'S IS A COMPLETE LIE AS ALL CHILDERN GO TOGETHER AND GO ONLY

IN

> > THE EVENINGS).

> >

> > THEN HE STARTED ATTACKING ME ON WHERE MY CHAKRAS ARE CATCHING

AND

> > HIS WIFE ALSO JOINED IN. THEY KEPT SAYING I WAS A BAD SY AND HE

> > SAID THIS IS AN OLD FORM. I WILL NOT SHOW YOU THE NEW FORM AS

YOU

> > DONT FIT THE REQUIRED CRITERIA AT ALL.

> >

> > I REALISED THAT HE HAD DECIDED EVEN BEFORE I CAME TO HIS HOME

TAHT

> > HE WOULD NOT GIVE ME THE FORM. YET HE DELIBERATELY MADE ME

DRIVE

> > ALL THE WAY TO HIS HOME JUST SO HE COULD HAVE THE PLEASURE OF

> > INSULTING ME. I TOLD HIM " YOU COULD HAVE TOLD ME ON THE PHONE

> THAT YOU WONT GIVE ME THE FORM, I HAVE A FLIGHT TONIGHT, AND YOU

> JUST MADE ME DRIVE FOR 2 HOURS AND AGAIN I HAVE TO GO BACK ... "

> >

> > I FELT REALLY HURT AND I KEPT LOOKING AT SHRI MATAJI'S PICTURE

IN

> > HIS LIVING ROOM AND TELLING HER IN MY HEART " MA WHATEVER YOU

> > WISH...WHATEVER YOU WISH MA "

> >

> > HE THEN STATED TELLING ME THAT I SHOULD GET MORE INVOLVED (READ -

 

> > JOIN HIS INNDER CIRCLE OF CRONIES WHO LICK HIS FOOTSTEPS) AND

THAT

> I SHOUD NOT TALK TO THE PPL. WHO QUESTION HIS AUTHORITY. THEN HE

> SAID HE WILL NOT GIVE ME THE FORM BUT I COULD GO TO LA AND TELL

THEM

> TO LET ME JOIN FOR SY MARRIGE. (????????)

> >

> > THEN HE SAID I DONT THINK YOU ARE FIT TO MARRY AN SY.

> >

> > THEN HE SAID MAYBE YOU CAN MARRY A NON-SY AND CONVERT HIM (?????

> > LIKE ITS HIS CHOICE WHO I MARRY??? )

> >

> > AND HE KEPT ON SAYING YOU NEED TO GET MORE SERIOUS ABOUT SY.

> >

> > I TOLD HIM THERE WAS A MAN IN KUWAIT WHO REFUSED TO MARRY IN SY

> > BECAUSE HE DIDNT GET A GIRL FROM USA, AND HE IS REGARDED AS A

> > SERIOUS SY?? AND HERE I AM, SAYING I WILL MARRY ANYONE AS LONG

AS

> > ITS A SY MARRIAGE AND IAM NOT A SERIOUS SY?

> >

> > HE GOT UPSET AND STARTED SHOUTING AT ME.

> >

> > HIS WIFE KEPT TOUCHING HIS HAND TO CALM HIM DOWN.

> >

> > I GOT UP AND SAID I WILL NEVER COME TO HIS CENTER AGAIN. THE

WAY

> HE BEHAVES IS VERY DISCOURAGING AND WHAT IS THE POINT OF COMMING

TO

> THE CENTER AND BEING A SY WHEN THIS IS HOW SY'S ARE.

> >

> > AND I DID GO TO LA - BUT COULD NOT GO FOR SY PUJA OR WEDDING

> THANKS TO SURESH NARAYAN. I DONT THINK I NEED TO SAY WHAT ALL HE

> HAS TOLD HIS CRONIES AND HOW HE MUST HAVE BOASTED ABOUT HIS POWER

IN

> FRONT OF THEM AND THEY MUST HAVE PRAISED HIM TO THE SKIES.

> >

> > SOME OF MY SY' BROTHERS AND SISTERS INSISTED I GO TO THE CENTER,

> SO I WENT 2 TIMES, BOTH THE TIMES, HIS CRONIES KEPT LOOKING AT ME

AS

> IF THEY WANTED TO KILL ME (ANGRY LOOKS) AND ONE GIRL STARTED

TEASING

> > ME " WHEN ARE U GETTING MARRIED?? " , " WHEN ARE U GETTING

> MARRIED?? " , AND LAUGHING.

> >

> > 9 MONTHS DOWN THE LINE SOMEONE FROM THE CENTER CALLED ME AND

TOLD

> ME WHY DONT YOU COME. I SAID PPL. DONT TALK THERE ...SHE SAID WE

> SHUD LEARN TO FORGIVE. SO I STARTED GOING AGAIN. I DONT TALK TO

> ANYONE AND HIS CRONIES AND WIFE STILL GIVE ME ANGRY LOOKS. I

IGNORE

> AND AND JUST MEDITATE AND COME BACK.

> >

> > HOWEVER IAM QUITE PREPARED MENTALLY TO RESPOND TO ANYONE IF THEY

> > TEASE ME AGAIN OR TRY TO ACT FUNNY. BELIEVE ME IAM ...SO VERY

> MUCH. AND ALSO STOP GOING THERE.

> >

> > SO FAR ALL THE PEOPLE I HAVE TOLD THIS TO SAY THIS WAS UNFAIR.

> MANY SY'S SYMPHATISE WITH ME BUT ALSO SAY THEY CANNOT HELP ME AS

> THEY DONT WANT TO GO AGAINST THE LEADER AND GET INTO THE SAME

> SITUATION IAM IN. THEY SAY WE KNOW HE IS WRONG, BUT THEY ARE

SAYING,

> WE JUST GO THERE TO MEDITATE AND WE IGNORE HIM, WE DONT WANT TO GO

> AGAINST HIM. BASICALLY NO BODY WANTS TO GET INTO A MESS. I AGREE

> FOR THEM.

> >

> > I WANT TO KNOW WAHT DO MAHESH, ANUJ AND INDIA335 (WHATEVER HIS

> NAME IS ) HAVE TO SAY FOR THIS. IF THEY SAY SAHAJAMATCH IS ANTI-

SY

> ARE THEY WILLING TO SAY ANYTHING TO THIS LEADER FOR HIS ACTIVITY

> ALSO?

> >

> > JSM,

> > SOHNIYA

> >

> >

> >

>