Guest guest Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Dear my2pai, Shri Mataji has always given 'en-masse' self-realization and then told people right away that they now have their connection with the Divine and they now have to establish it. Among the audience, there would have to be many that had only one or two strands of the Kundalini rise initially, yet Shri Mataji said they had their connection with the Divine. It was always my understanding that when one has their connection to the Divine, that one's karmas are dissolved or removed through this connection. i am sure Shri Mataji has said this, but do not have a quote to hand. Maybe someone else does? i understand that the person who receives their connection to the Divine, still has to establish that connection in order for it to remain permanent by becoming their Spirit. Shri Mataji says that contrary to what was done previously and a person had to basically become a Saint before they could get their Kundalini Awakening, Second Birth, Self-Realization (whatever you want to call it), this Time, She has changed things to give the Self-Realization first and then we have the en-light-enment to also Become That.... Our Individual Spirit. One day when a number of us yogis were at a Mind, Body, Spirit Festival we were instrumental in other people receiving their Self-Realisation in a similar way as to the way that one candle can enlighten another candle. A group of individuals whom we were instrumental in giving Self-Realization to had just previously been to the Aura Photography Stall where they had a picture of their auras taken by a machine. These pictures showed auras that were all different colours such as red, yellow, brown etc. We suggested that after they received their Self-Realization to go get their picture taken again to see what would happen. They were very interested in what would happen, as were we. In every single case, their auras turned white! We were amazed and very happy that this fact was so verifiable by Aura Photography. A white aura, i believe, is the aura of a saint and indicates a transformation. To me, coming from a Christian background, this change relates to the " washing of the person's garments in the blood of the Lamb " meaning they become purified. In Revelations 12:11 it says " And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony " . I have read http://adishakti.org/divine_gift_to_humanity, but in this talk I did not hear the words " karmas are dissolved " . i did not understand from that tape what you are saying, my2pai. Maybe you can tell what Words of Shri Mataji you are referring to. Violet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 , " Violet " <vtubb@b...> wrote: > > Dear my2pai, > > Shri Mataji has always given 'en-masse' self-realization and then told people right away that they now have their connection with the Divine and they now have to establish it. Among the audience, there would have to be many that had only one or two strands of the Kundalini rise initially, yet Shri Mataji said they had their connection with the Divine. > > It was always my understanding that when one has their connection to the Divine, that one's karmas are dissolved or removed through this connection. i am sure Shri Mataji has said this, but do not have a quote to hand. Maybe someone else does? > > i understand that the person who receives their connection to the Divine, still has to establish that connection in order for it to remain permanent by becoming their Spirit. Shri Mataji says that contrary to what was done previously and a person had to basically become a Saint before they could get their Kundalini Awakening, Second Birth, Self-Realization (whatever you want to call it), this Time, She has changed things to give the Self-Realization first and then we have the en-light-enment to also Become That.... Our Individual Spirit. > > > > I have read http://adishakti.org/divine_gift_to_humanity, but in this talk I did not hear the words " karmas are dissolved " . i did not understand from that tape what you are saying, my2pai. Maybe you can tell what Words of Shri Mataji you are referring to. > > Violet > Dear Violet, The talk I referred you to was for the purpose of pointing out the mechanics of the process of Kundalini awakening where Shri Mataji goes into some detail about the action of the threads or strands or hairs of Kundalini and the role of the different nadis. No doubt, even when one thread has risen, the sadhaka is said to be realized, to be connected with the Divine. But he is hardly the equal of Shankara or Kabira. We are all equal insofar as we are realized souls but there is a wide disparity in the progress and awareness of different Sahaja Yogis. Whether our karmas are dissolved or to what extent would depend on how far along we are in our personal evolution. Your understanding seems to be that when one gets his or her connection with the Divine, however tenuous, then one's karmas are dissolved, automatically and unconditionally, by right, if you will. My understanding is that only the initial awakening is our birth-right, we have work for everything else. I append below an except from a talk by Shri Mataji entitled " The Problems of Ego, " given at Caxton Hall on 22nd October 1979. " Karmas are only the effect of our false idea of our ego. When there is no ego where are the karmas going to be? If there is no one who is doing, the doer is lost, then who is going to do the karmas and who is going to take the load of karmas upon themselves? Like when there is an organization then we say that I've got assets, I've got these debts and these are the things. But the association or that organization disappears, then who has the debts? In the same way you as ego disappear and there is no effect of your karmas. All finished, all that was when one Mr. Ego was there, when Mr. Ego has gone all liabilities have gone with him. We are something different now, now we have become the Self, the Atma and when we have become the Atma then we are one with that Universal Being and He is making us do everything. (...)When you become one with that whole, when you just feel that the whole is working and we as part are working with it and all the responsibilities are finished. " When we receive our realization or, more specifically, when our Agnya chakra is opened, our ego and superego are said to be sucked in and this is the ideal state referred to when Shri Mataji asks, " When there is no ego where are the karmas going to be? " We may have received our realization by virtue of having at least one thread of Kundalini being connected but are we totally free of ego and/or superego? In the public programs Shri Mataji always referred to the ideal state, as if the full force of Kundalini is awakened in us when we receive our realization. We have to listen with understanding and discretion and realize that we have still a long way to go to attain that state attained by the likes of Shankara when we may be truly egoless and consequently free of karma. (If I were at the level of Shankara, I doubt I would be interested in splitting hairs here over this issue, but my ego is such...) In conclusion, I would like to relate an incident at a Birthday Puja a few years ago when an Indian leader had asked Shri Mataji what Her wish was for Her birthday. Shri Mataji's apparent reply was, " Give me five Sahaja Yogis. " Now this would be a reality check for all Sahaja Yogis if ever one was needed. More than thirty years after the introduction of Sahaja Yoga, the number of Sahaja Yogis, in the strict, if not, the absolute sense, can still not be counted on the fingers of one hand. If indeed Sahaja Yogis of this quality existed, then these are the ones whose karmas would be dissolved, no doubt. Chandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Dear Chandra, Thank you for these Words of Shri Mataji which helps to shed light on the difference between Self-Realization and the dissolution of all karmas, which must also be the State of Nirvikalpa about which Shri Mataji says that 'one cannot come down after reaching that state.' i do believe it is very important to have a true understanding of these things and do not regard this as 'splitting hairs' nor do i believe you have an overinflated ego because of this. Thanks. Love from Violet , " my2pai " <my2pai> wrote: > > , " Violet " <vtubb@b...> > wrote: > > > > Dear my2pai, > > > > Shri Mataji has always given 'en-masse' self-realization and then > told people right away that they now have their connection with the > Divine and they now have to establish it. Among the audience, there > would have to be many that had only one or two strands of the > Kundalini rise initially, yet Shri Mataji said they had their > connection with the Divine. > > > > It was always my understanding that when one has their connection > to the Divine, that one's karmas are dissolved or removed through > this connection. i am sure Shri Mataji has said this, but do not > have a quote to hand. Maybe someone else does? > > > > i understand that the person who receives their connection to the > Divine, still has to establish that connection in order for it to > remain permanent by becoming their Spirit. Shri Mataji says that > contrary to what was done previously and a person had to basically > become a Saint before they could get their Kundalini Awakening, > Second Birth, Self-Realization (whatever you want to call it), this > Time, She has changed things to give the Self-Realization first and > then we have the en-light-enment to also Become That.... Our > Individual Spirit. > > > > > > > > I have read http://adishakti.org/divine_gift_to_humanity, but in > this talk I did not hear the words " karmas are dissolved " . i did not > understand from that tape what you are saying, my2pai. Maybe you can > tell what Words of Shri Mataji you are referring to. > > > > Violet > > > > Dear Violet, > > The talk I referred you to was for the purpose of pointing out the > mechanics of the process of Kundalini awakening where Shri Mataji > goes into some detail about the action of the threads or strands or > hairs of Kundalini and the role of the different nadis. No doubt, > even when one thread has risen, the sadhaka is said to be realized, > to be connected with the Divine. But he is hardly the equal of > Shankara or Kabira. We are all equal insofar as we are realized > souls but there is a wide disparity in the progress and awareness of > different Sahaja Yogis. Whether our karmas are dissolved or to what > extent would depend on how far along we are in our personal > evolution. Your understanding seems to be that when one gets his or > her connection with the Divine, however tenuous, then one's karmas > are dissolved, automatically and unconditionally, by right, if you > will. My understanding is that only the initial awakening is our > birth-right, we have work for everything else. > > I append below an except from a talk by Shri Mataji entitled " The > Problems of Ego, " given at Caxton Hall on 22nd October 1979. > > " Karmas are only the effect of our false idea of our ego. When there > is no ego where are the karmas going to be? If there is no one who > is doing, the doer is lost, then who is going to do the karmas and > who is going to take the load of karmas upon themselves? Like when > there is an organization then we say that I've got assets, I've got > these debts and these are the things. But the association or that > organization disappears, then who has the debts? In the same way you > as ego disappear and there is no effect of your karmas. All > finished, all that was when one Mr. Ego was there, when Mr. Ego has > gone all liabilities have gone with him. We are something different > now, now we have become the Self, the Atma and when we have become > the Atma then we are one with that Universal Being and He is making > us do everything. (...)When you become one with that whole, when you > just feel that the whole is working and we as part are working with > it and all the responsibilities are finished. " > > When we receive our realization or, more specifically, when our > Agnya chakra is opened, our ego and superego are said to be sucked > in and this is the ideal state referred to when Shri Mataji > asks, " When there is no ego where are the karmas going to be? " We > may have received our realization by virtue of having at least one > thread of Kundalini being connected but are we totally free of ego > and/or superego? In the public programs Shri Mataji always referred > to the ideal state, as if the full force of Kundalini is awakened in > us when we receive our realization. We have to listen with > understanding and discretion and realize that we have still a long > way to go to attain that state attained by the likes of Shankara > when we may be truly egoless and consequently free of karma. (If I > were at the level of Shankara, I doubt I would be interested in > splitting hairs here over this issue, but my ego is such...) > > In conclusion, I would like to relate an incident at a Birthday Puja > a few years ago when an Indian leader had asked Shri Mataji what Her > wish was for Her birthday. Shri Mataji's apparent reply was, " Give > me five Sahaja Yogis. " Now this would be a reality check for all > Sahaja Yogis if ever one was needed. More than thirty years after > the introduction of Sahaja Yoga, the number of Sahaja Yogis, in the > strict, if not, the absolute sense, can still not be counted on the > fingers of one hand. If indeed Sahaja Yogis of this quality existed, > then these are the ones whose karmas would be dissolved, no doubt. > > Chandra > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Dear Danny, Thank you for these Words of Shri Mataji. The Words of all Incarnations have always shed light on our spiritual path by giving us knowledge. As Jesus promised, the Comforter has come and taught us all things and i believe it is going to take us a lifetime of joy in understanding, contemplating, imbibing and meditating upon all that Shri Mataji has generously given to all of humanity. This greatest of knowledge of course also includes 'gnana' or the knowledge within a person. All external knowledge leads to the knowledge of the Spirit Within. Violet -- In , " kriptodanny " <kriptodanny> wrote: > > , " Violet " <vtubb@b...> wrote: > > > > Dear Chandra, > > > > Thank you for these Words of Shri Mataji which helps to shed light > on the difference between Self-Realization and the dissolution of all > karmas, which must also be the State of Nirvikalpa about which Shri > Mataji says that 'one cannot come down after reaching that state.' > > > > i do believe it is very important to have a true understanding of > these things and do not regard this as 'splitting hairs' nor do i > believe you have an overinflated ego because of this. Thanks. > > > > Love from Violet > > > Dear Violet > I would like to add couple more points,about ,,The Will Of God,, > Yes,these things must be understood...thank you Chandra for the > inspiring reminder about the ,,long way,, till we are fully realized > souls(as in Sahasrara fully opens) > daniel > Jai Shri Mataji > .................................... > THE WILL OF GOD > > SHRI MATAJI NIRMALA DEVI 1993 > ,,The limbic area wants to know about me. And the Kundalini also, as > Sahaja Yoga is increasing, is trying to rise in people, because you > become the channels, wherever you go, you generate vibrations, and > these vibrations give a challenge to the Kundalini or a message, and > in various people it rises. It may not rise up to Sahasrara, or it may > even rise to Sahasrara, but it falls back because there's no > recognition. So every time they do something, this Kundalini comes up > and gives them a pressure because their Sahasrara is not open. It's a > closed door. Because of the closed door, this gives a kind of a > pressure in the head which they don't understand and they call it as > tension.,, > > (note.* the ,,tension,, explained above is the very ,,pressure,, > or the ,,pimple in the brain,, as with humor someone expressed it > before.-(danny) > > Actually the Kundalini is trying to push it out itself but it cannot. > And those also who get their Realisation, if they do not make their > Sahasrara all right they go on getting into tensions. > > (note*.this is very true,the kundalini recedes-(d) > > So though Sahasrara has been opened out so many years back, still we > have some things to be done. To clear out our Sahasrara first of all. > > So first is the breaking of the Sahasrara, then once it opened out, > the Brahmarandra opened out, then we started feeling the grace, and it > moved onto our Ida and Pignala, the grace, not the Kundalini, and the > grace which is Chaitanya all round soothed down our left and right > side by which our chakras opened more, and more threads of the > Kundalini started piercing through. > > (note*this is because all the chakras projection are on the > sahasrara.As the chakras themselves get cleared,more strands of > kundalini go ,,,up,,and pass thru Agnia-(d.) > > So I always tell Sahaja Yogis that it is important that you must > meditate. If your Sahasrara is all right, all your chakras will be all > right, because, as you know the 'pitas' of the controlling centres of > all these chakras are in the brain around the limbic area. So if your > Sahasrara is clear, everything works out in a very different way. How > to keep the Sahasrara all right is the big problem that always people > ask me. > > You know that I reside in the Sahasrara, I have incarnated on the > lotus of one thousand petals. That's why I could break it also. As I > am today, as you see me, of course they say Sahasrara is Mahamaya. So > this is the illusion which is all the time there for you, which is > very elusive. It had to be that way because you could not have faced > me otherwise with all the lights coming out of me or the way you saw > yesterday Sahasrara some sort of abstract colours thrown on all sides > and the lights thrown outside. > So, once you reach that point, you can say now you are in Nirvikalpa, > because there is no 'vikalpa', there is no doubt in your head, because > you love, in love you don't doubt, no question. Only when you think, > you doubt. But when you love you don't doubt, you must love because > you enjoy love and that's why love is joy and joy is love. So after so > many days the Sahasrara has been opened out. > We have to open out our Sahasrara again through our meditative > processes, through understanding ourselves and others, maybe logically > reaching that point. > > (note*as the kundalini rises ,the grace (Will of God,Holy Spirit) > descends..for the body is ,,pure,, enough to sustain it.That leads to > further purification .The kundalini goes up,the Grace descends on the > left/right channels,purifying them..the karma is stored in those > channels...when these 2 are complete purified,then the sahasrara is > complete opened,and one's kundalini(attention) will be stable,beyond > meditation persey.-nirvikalpa.(d)) > > There's no way out now, we have reached the end of it now. The whole > logic has ended up. Now, jump into the ocean of love. Finished. > > Once you jump into the ocean of love there's nothing to be done, just > to be enjoyed. Every wave of it, every hue of it, every touch of it. > That is what one has to learn by reasoning. That Sahaja Yoga is > nothing but love. > > SHRI MATAJI NIRMALA DEVI 1993 > http://www.valaya.co.uk/IN-DEEPt2.htm > Now you are also told how to work it out. You know all the technical > know how. But what you don't know is that you are not yet a perfect > person. You have to perfect yourself, moreover there's a Mahamaya. She > doesn't take you for granted, that's the trouble. She puts you > deliberately into temptations. Deliberately she gives you position. > Now leaders, world leaders, universe leaders. You develop first one > pain, then one horn, and then something comes out of Sahasrara. Look > like a clown. To test you she may marry you to some funny people also. > This testing has to be done. That's the job of Mahamaya. She has to > test you. > > Gold has to be tested. The diamond has to be tested. All that is > valuable has to be tested. Without that how can you certify. It's not > like going to the church. Somebody puts the water on your head, all > right, now you are baptised. Finished, now you are chosen. The water > will evaporate in no time. And when you will go to God he'll say " How > are you baptised? " , " With water " , " Where is it. I can't see it. " So > all these things are to be understood in the right perspective. They > are for our ascent. For our benevolence. For our higher state. But for > that, you must know, we have to fix up our whole will. > ............................... > THE WILL OF GOD > > SHRI MATAJI NIRMALA DEVI 1993 > > " Today we are celebrating Sahasrara day. Perhaps we have not realised > what a day it must have been. Without opening the Sahasrara, God > itself was a myth, religion itself was a myth, and all talk about > Divinity was a myth. People believed in it but it was just a belief, > and science, as it was put forward, was about to obliterate all the > value system, all the proof of God Almighty. > > If you see in history, one after another, when science established > itself, the people who are so called " in charge " , at the helm of > affairs in religion, in different religions tried to cope with the > findings of science. They tried to show that: " all right, if it is > said this much is in the Bible, and if it is wrong we should correct > it. " Especially Augustine did that. And it started looking as if it > was all a stupidity, that these scriptures were just mythical. At > least the Koran itself, though, had lots of things which were > describing the biology of today. They could not believe that human > beings were specially created by God. They thought it was a matter of > change that one after another the animals acquired a situation by > which they became human beings. > > Thus all the time Divinity was challenged and there was no way of > giving a proof of whatever is said in the Bible or in the Koran or in > Gita or in Upanishads or in the Torah. Any one of these things could > not be proved because it was still just faith. Very, very few people > got their Realisation and when they talked, people did not believe > them and thought that they were just trying to say something which > they were using to propound their own theories. > > So the whole thing became a kind of dead science. There was no science > of religion. People started thinking what's the use of following the > ten commandments or these strict rules of life, because by following > that you gain nothing, you lose all the fun of life. Why think of > gaining some punyas also. And that is how all the time there was a big > derailment of the human value system. Also these organised religions, > this monotholic organised religions started taking the course of > gaining power, or gaining money, because they thought that's the only > way you can control people and can go on. They were least bothered as > to " deliver the goods " , whatever has been described in the Bible. > > The Bible of course was tampered with very much and there have been > lots of changes in that and persons like Paul and Peter, who joined > together, try to spoil most of the truth. Though Koran was not so much > touched but still it dealt with more the right side, with the > reproductive system and all those things. And so many things are still > ambiguous. > > Now simultaneously two things have happened, I don't know if you are > aware of it or not. First thing that has happened is that we have a > new science of microbiology in which we have discovered that every > cell has got a DNA tape, every cell has got a program in it, as we > have in a computer chip. Every cell has got a tape in it, in such a > way that it is programmed. And according to that program the > development takes place, now imagine the intricacy of the whole thing. > > So many computers are already programmed and all these cells have > these in them. So a very mysterious sort of thing has come up before > the scientists and they cannot explain it. They cannot explain many > things but one of them is this. Now what Sahaja Yoga has done is that > it has proved that it is the will of God, it is the desire of God, the > will of God, which is doing all the work. And it has been proved. > > All this Chaitanya. Adi Shakti, is nothing but the will of God. And > the will of God is the one is working out everything very > harmoniously. I don't know if some of you have read my first book, > where I have described how earth is created. There was a bang, but it > was very harmonious, and how it developed is through the will of God. > So everything was done in a way that God's will was working it out. > > Now the will of God you are feeling on your finger tips. After > Realisation, now, you have discovered the the absolute science, which > is the will of God, which is an absolute science. You people know that > we have cured people through Sahaja Yoga. You also know giving Bandhan > and all that. Things work out. So many things work out automatically > after realisation that people don't want to believe. > > In the beginning people would not believe when the scientists told > them something, but now you can see science is always a flux, all the > time changing. One theory is again challenged. Another theory's again > challenged. But Sahaja Yoga has exposed you to that great truth of > science which cannot be challenged, which is all there. > > So anybody who comes out with any new proposal about defaming God, or > saying that there is no God, we can prove them wrong. Not that there > is God, but that everything, the creation of this earth, the creation > of human beings and everything was done harmoniously by the will of > God. If the will of God has done everything, human beings should not > take any credit for discovering some things which were created by God. > > Supposing this carpet is made by somebody and we start discovering all > the colours. What is so great? It is all there. You cannot create. So > it is not the creation part of which is so important but the > fashioning of this world. The whole thing was done by the will of God. > > Now if the will of God is so important, it has to be proved. And now > through Sahaja Yoga, after the breaking of the Sahasrara, you have now > for the first time felt the will of God., Which is such an important > thing. But for us it is come to us so Sahaj that we don't understand, > we just give Bandhan and the things work out and we feel that the > things have worked out, so it is the Bandhan has worked out, and we > have managed everything. It's not so, it's much more than that. We > have now become part and parcel of that big computer of the will of > God, we have become the medium, or we can say the channels, of the > will of God. We are connected with that will of God which created all > the universe. > > So we can manage everything, because we have got the absolute science > in our hands, the absolute science which will work out the betterment > of the whole world. We can prove it to the scientists that there is a > will of God which has done all this creation. Even the evolutionary > process is the will of God. Without his will nothing could have happened. > > So many people used to say that not even a blade of grass moves > without the will of God, which is a very true thing. And you have seen > now that we have got the will of God as our own power. We can use it. > So how important it is to be a Sahaja Yogi. Perhaps we don't realise > how important it is to be a Sahaja Yogi. Sahaja Yoga is not only for > saying " Mother, I am full of joy, I am enjoying myself. I got > purified. Everything is fine " . But for what? Why did you get all these > blessings? Why you have been cleansed? So that this knowledge of the > will of God should be apparent to you. Not only that, it should be a > part and parcel of you. > > So now we are exposed to a new dimension and that dimension is that we > are the ones who are the channels of that will of God. So then what is > our duty and what should we do about it? As a result of the Sahasrara > being opened out, one thing is that the illusions have vanished. > Illusions have vanished. You should have no illusion as to the > existence of God Almighty, the power of his will and the truth about > Sahaja Yoga. > > You should have no doubts at all, minimum of minimum you should be > like that. But while using this power you should be aware that this > power is given to you because you are capable of handling it. It is > the highest power you could think of. Take any governor, take any > minister, anyone, they can be removed tomorrow. They can become > corrupt. They can become absolutely devoid of any knowledge of their > own powers. There are many people who just get elected without knowing > what they have to do. > > So this is not just a conversion of people, it's not only even > transformation, but it is a new fashioning of a new human being which > has come forward and which is capable of carrying the will of God further. > > So as a result of your realisation, what you have got. The first thing > that has happened is that your illusions have gone. You should have no > illusions about God Almighty, his will and that he is omnipotent, > omnipresent and omniscient. All his omnipotence has done this work and > as a collective consciousness you should also know that you are also > omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. Omniscient means that he sees > everything, knows everything. Part of it, that power, is also within > you. So to prove his omnipotence you have to all the time be aware > that you are Sahaja Yogis. When I find even now Sahaja Yogis > struggling about their wives, their children, their house, their jobs, > I start wondering what is their level now. Where are they? When are > they going to take up the role of what they have got? > > So the omnipotent God who is everywhere, who has done all this, the > will of God that has worked it out, has to work through you people and > you have to be very strong, very sensible, very wise, also very > effective people. The more effective you become the more energy you > will get. But still I feel that the Sahaja Yogis are more, not taking > the responsibility of understanding that they have to represent this > God Almighty who is Omnipresent, Omniscient, who knows everything, who > sees everything and who is potent, means Almighty. > > If you understand that this is what has happened after opening the > Sahasrara, that you have now got the power which has these three > qualities in it. Say now this big thing has to be supported by strong > pillars. But supposing if they are not strong, it will fall down. In > the same way such a great power which has come to you, for that we > don't need very successful people, we don't need people who have a big > name or those who have lots of money, what we need are people of > character, people of understanding, of wisdom and of strength, that > whatever may come I will stand by it, " I'll take to it, I'll cope with > it, I " ll change myself and improve myself " . > > So now the illusion has been dispelled. I hope you all got rid of your > illusions. Also you should have no illusions about yourself. If you > have any illusion you should leave Sahaja Yoga. But know that you are > chosen for this purpose by God's will. That's why you are here and you > have to take it up, the responsibility of understanding of this > science which is absolute and working it out your Self, for yourself > as well as for others. > > You have felt my love, but your love must also be felt. Because God is > Love, so your love must be felt by others. Others must feel that you > are compassionate, loving, understanding. All the time this will of > God is flowing through you and you have to work it out in such a > manner that people should know that you are a saint, that this power > is flowing through you. > > Then the second thing that has happened to you is that you have > understood the integration, that in the world there is complete > integration. Normally if you look at children, they have their own > natural, innate understanding. They know. Normally a good child would > always like to share his things, would like to love another child, if > another child is there he would like to protect that child. Naturally > he won't think whether it has black hair or red hair or blue hair. > Naturally, innately a child feels that. > > Also if you take another child, supposing, who is a little baby, they > know that one should be careful about the privacy of the body. > Children don't want to be made nude before others. No child likes > that. Innately they know. So all these qualities are within you. > Children don't like to steal anything. They don't know what stealing > is. They have no idea of stealing. I've also seen children who go to a > place which is very beautiful, say to somebody's house. They will > always try to keep the beauty of that place. But if it is already > shabby they don't bother. > > So innately all these qualities are there. I think the countries which > are supposed to be underdeveloped have so many of these qualities > which are innately built within us. Innocence is innately built within > us. So the first and foremost thing that the will of God built up was > innocence, the auspiciousness. The first thing he did was to create > Shri Ganesha, or I would say 'She', because the will of God is Adi > Shakti. And all this innocence was created first of all to make the > whole world very beautiful. > > All those qualities were also placed within you. Specially made human > beings were specially made so that they should become saintly people, > that they should have their saintly, innate sense. But it happened in > the countries which developed, that our brain was bombarded by all > kinds of television, all kind of things, and we became very vulnerable. > > We started getting into the ideas of others. Anybody who is dominating > could dominate us. It's not only Hitler who dominated people. We also > see today how much we are dominated, if you really detach yourself > from this world. For example fashions, certain things that come up, > people cannot give them up at any cost. They cannot take to something > that is sensible because of fashion. > > For example nowdays there's a fashion to have short skirt. You can't > get a long skirt anywhere. Everybody has to wear that kind of skirt > otherwise you are not " in " , you are not in the madhouse! now this kind > of thing is bombarded on us morning till evening. So first of all we > become slaves of the entrepreneurs, whatever they give us. I was told > that in Belgium you cannot get anything fresh. You have to take > everything from the supermarket, which is all tinned. > > Gradually what is happening to us we are getting absolutely > artificial. The food is artificial, the dress is artificial, our whole > attitude becomes artificial, we are so much bombarded by > advertisements, by all kind of outside influences, that we just get > lost and we forget what is our innate sense which is being dominated > by all these modern things. > > There is also a big progress in another direction. Once money becomes > important, then all your entrepreneurs become important, because they > know how to make money and befoul you all the time. Today you have > this thing, tomorrow you have that thing. Today you change this and > have this thing. > > But those people who are innately built, they do not change. They have > their dress of the same type, they do not change. On the contrary they > find it very difficult to get out of their traditional achievements > and they don't want to change themselves. So for Sahaja Yogis it is > important to watch and see if they are getting into this slavery from > the entrepreneurs in modern times. > > Then, the thoughts. So many books we read, which give you thoughts, > which are mad rambling, I would say, of some madman like Freud. How > could Freud influence the west? because you have lost your sense and > accepted it. You accepted and that's how Freud became a sort of Jesus > Christ. He became the most important thing. Sex became the most > important thing. I mean it's so simple. With a little common sense you > can understand that at the moment we are put into this kind of > domination by these few domineering people who have certain ideas they > put forward. > > Anybody puts any idea. For example, Sade or Sartre or anyone. That > idea starts becoming " oh he said it " . Who is he? what is he's life? > Just see for yourself what sort of a man he is. With a little common > sense. But with your will that you have now, the will of God that has > fashioned the whole world, which has fashioned you. Every cell within > you has been fashioned by God Almighty and what you are doing is > playing in the hands of these entrepreneurs. > > They have realised that these vulnerable people are very good for > having as their disciples, I should say, to make money, to befoul > them. Now on this side, you have such a great power, you are chosen > for such a great thing, and on the other side you have this kind of > slavery. So try to understand that your innate qualities were lost. > But luckily by the Kundalini awakening and by the breaking of the > Sahasrara, all these qualities which looked like lost, like your > innocence, like your creativity, like your religion within, like your > compassion and love for humanity, like your power of judgment, your > wisdom, all these great qualities which we thought were lost were > nothing but in a dormant state. They all got awakened one by one. > > I don't have to tell you " don't drink this, don't eat this, don't do > that " . You yourself realise that this is wrong. You yourself know what > is good for you. And still if you want to do wrong you can go ahead. > But already there is a light within you to see for yourself what is > good and what is bad. It has come because of this Sahasrara being > opened out to this new dimension of new knowledge. This is not new, it > is all built within you. Now all those qualities are manifesting and > you are enjoining them. > > So now you have to get out of your petty ideas and petty things. > People are reporting to me something very funny. I can't believe > Sahaja Yogis can do like that. That they run away with the plates that > I have bought, or they run away with cups. They throw things here and > there, all over the place they are throwing things How can you behave > like this? I mean this is so stupid and so insipid. If you don't have > a proper discipline of life yourself, you cannot carry the will of > God, you cannot. But I am not going to tell you do this or do that. I > respect your freedom and I just want that your own kundalini should > awaken that wisdom in you. That greatness in you, that glory in you > and you start understanding what are our innate qualities. > > So it will purify you, once you are purified completely. Like you see, > if you have some gold which is not pure and you put it in the fire, > the gold is separated. In the same way, the fire of Kundalini cleanses > you completely, makes you absolutely clean and you start seeing your > glory, your own nature, your own greatness. So the integration part > comes to you easily. You start integrating. > > First of all, we used to have Sahaja Yogis, say from England, some > from Spain, some from here. They would always have different groups, > they would never sit together. You could make out this is the English > sitting here, they are sitting here, they are sitting here, and they > would form a group. But now it's not so. Now I find they are becoming > integrated. > > The integration of human beings is the most important thing for Sahaja > yoga. That comes by understanding, not by our intelligence, but by > understanding that all human beings are made by God, by his will, and > we have no right to despise anyone. > > The second integration that has come within you is that all religions, > all religions are to be worshipped, all incarnations, all prophets, > all scriptures are to be worshipped. There are defects, there are > problems, with those scriptures which can be corrected. > > So gradually you start entering into the subtler side of Divinity, to > understand that all these people have worked hard to create today the > atmosphere for Sahaja Yoga and no religion is to be despised and no > religion is to be attacked. Attacking any religion is a very, very, > absolutely unreal thing and you are working out a very unreal theory > which doesn't exist in the divine plan. So this is how we finish all > fundamentalism. Fundamentalists are the ones who believe that this is > written in this book, this is written in this book, and that we, > because we read this book , we are something better. Anybody can read > any book, what is so great? > > It's the same, I would say, in Sahaja Yoga people should not become > fundamentalists. Be very careful. Because that's what you are born > like. I mean, I don't know, it's not your innate quality but the way > you are made that way, you have fashioned yourself that way, that you > start also making Sahaja Yoga something fundamentalist. " Mother said > so " . Do not use me everywhere. " Mother said so " , is a way you want to > dominate others. > > You yourself say because now you have a right, you have an > individuality in Sahaja Yoga. You can say what you have to say > yourself, but don't say " Mother has said it " , because anybody can > start like that. Christ said it. A clergyman or, say, a pope can stand > up on his own platform and say that Christ has said it. They can just > arbitrarily use all these things. So nobody has any business to use me > arbitrarily. Whatever you have to say, you say yourself. But don't > ever quote me: " Mother has said it " , or, " in this book such and such > is written, so this is the line that is important " . > > You're not bound by any line, by whatever I say. It is you who has to > stand up and see for yourself what you have to say because you have to > use your will and for that you have to develop yourself to have pure > will, the pure desire of God Almighty. The integration is not only > outward, but inward. > > Like first of all,whatever we did, our mind used to say one thing, our > heart used to say another thing, our brain used to say another thing. > Now what has happened is that all these three things have become one. > So whatever your brain says is absolutely acceptable to your heart, > absolutely acceptable to your attention, so you yourself, you have now > become integrated. > > Many people say " Mother I want to do it, but I can't do it " , " Mother I > wish my desire to do it, but I can't do it " . Now you are completely > integrated and you can easily do the whole thing very well. If you > want to examine yourself, you should try to find out " Am I integrated > or not? Whatever I am doing, am I doing with my full heart or not, > with my full attention or not? " . > > I have seen that you do things with full heart and intelligence, but > full attention is not there. Still the attention, which is the first > thing that was enlightened, is not fully used. So the whole attention > should be absolutely there. " I have to do this thing with full > attention " . Otherwise, the integration is not complete. Integration is > partial. So these things have to be completely integrated. > > So the integration of all the Chakras comes in. Like whatever you do, > has to be auspicious. Whatever you do has to be with full attention. > Whatever you do has to be absolutely religious. So like that, all > these centres are being absolutely one integrated power that you have. > So the whole of life should be integrated. > > Now, say somebody's husband is not of that level or somebody's wife is > not of that level, you shouldn't bother. You should just bother about > yourself. Don't expect anything from anybody else. It is your duty > which is important. You have to fulfill your duty and you have to work > it out yourself. Unless and until you understand that it is your > individual being which has achieved it, and it's the individual being > that has to become one, integrated with the rest of them. > > Many times I've seen, if I say something people start thinking that I > am saying it for somebody else. They never take it for themselves. So, > we have to see what is my gain. I've got financial gain, I have got > physical gains, I have got mental gains, I've got joy, happiness, > that's not the only thing. That should not be the only criteria. But > what you should have is the understanding of your own personality > which has been specially fashioned over many, many lives, for you to > come into this life to get your Realisation, to do the further work of > the will of God. > > Every moment when you see a miracle taking place you do realise that > it's all done by Paramchaitanya. But what is Paramchaitanya? It's the > will of Adi Shakti. And what is Adi Shakti? It's the will of God. So > what ever is done, is all 'fixed entities', we can call them, or these > vibrations. For example DNA tapes: they all know how they have to fashion. > > See, today it's very sunny. Everybody's surprised. How can so many > things happen like this. The other day, we had Havan. It was > absolutely sunny. So the whole cosmos is working for you. You are on > the stage now and you have to see to it, but if you don't have faith > in yourself, if you are not confident as to what you are, how can you > help? How can you work out yourself and work out all the problems of > the world, which are created only by human beings? > > So we have to absolutely overthrow all these dominations on us. First > from science. We can prove everything that Sahaja Yoga has said. > Whatever it has said about science, has been proved. So, science is > always, all the time in the flux, it's changing all the time. Then the > so-called religions that we have. So called religions because people > who have been Catholics, who have been Protestants, who have been > Hindus or Muslims, or this and that , they all have got that thing on > their heads. And this has to be thrown away. We have to become like > lotuses from the mud. > > So now you have become lotuses and the lotuses have to throw away all > this death mud, otherwise the fragrance won't be there. What one has > to achieve is to throw away all these shackles which are killing you, > which are of no use but a burden to beautiful lotuses as you are. You > have to understand that the whole fashioning has been done so > carefully, with such sweetness, with such delicacy. > > So first of all we must have respect for ourselves, we must have > affection and love for others and we must have respect. This means we > must have discipline. We have to have discipline because if you > respect yourself you'll definitely discipline yourself and you'll make > it available. > > Now as you realise, from my life itself, that I work very hard, travel > a lot, much more than anyone of you can do because I have the will > that I have to bring this world to that state of enjoyment, to that > state of happiness, to that state of divinity, where they realise what > is their glory, what is the glory of their Father. > > So I work very hard and I never even think that something will go > wrong with me, or this will happen, or what will happen. I never have > bothered you about my family life, about my children, about anyone. > Whatever problems I had, I am dealing with them myself. But here I get > such big, big letters from Sahaja Yogis, written about their > daughters, their son, this thing, that thing. > > Another thing is this attachment to family. It is the biggest burden > on your heads and all the time you are worried about your children, > you're worried about this, you're worried about that. That's not your > responsibility. Please try to understand. That's the responsibility of > God Almighty. You can't do better than Him can You? But when you try > to take the responsibility he says " All right, look after it " , and the > problems start. > > Detachment is the word one should understand in a proper sense. When I > asked people why do you throw things here and there they said " we are > detached " , - a wonderful way to be detached. And what about your > children? You cling onto them. What about your own things? You cling > onto them. For a small little thing, they'll bother my head. And if it > belongs to me or to Sahaja Yoga, then they'll have a very nice time > with it - and throw it away, wherever they feel. I mean this kind of a > responsibility. How can you call them divine? How can they be saintly > people? Saintly people are not only a responsible for themselves, but > for everyone. > > Very slowly, smoothly, sweetly, with great affection, I have brought > you to this level. I didn't ask you to go to the Himalayas or stand on > your head or to donate all your property to me - nothing. We have > managed it in a very, very beautiful manner. Now when you have to go, > further, then you have to understand that your duties are to be > fulfilled by you and nobody else. But this duties are done by you, are > toward your family, towards your house, towards this, towards that. No > duties towards Sahaja yoga. > > So before Sahaja yoga, you were not attached to anyone, in the sense > you were only attached to yourself, self-centred. Now you have widened > yourself a little more, so that now you are attached to your wife or > to your children. But that's just the same. That is also selfish, > because they are your children, you think. They are not " your " > children, they are the children of God. I hope all of you are > intelligent enough to understand your responsibility and work it out. > > This is a very important thing that has happened to you, that the > Sahasrara has opened. Now you can prove the existence of God, His > will, everything, to the whole world. Nobody can challenge Sahaja > Yoga. Those scientists who might challenge, can be told. Anybody, > whether you're a scientists, economist, politician, anything, > everything can be explained in the light of Sahaja Yoga and can be > proved: that there's only one politics, that is God, one economics, > that is God, and there is only one religion that is God, that is > Vishwa Nirmala Dharma. > > It can be proved, there's nothing to be afraid or to worry about. This > all can be proved to the scientists and to the other intellectuals and > to some few people if they want to listen to us. If they don't want to > listen to us, forget it. Because we are, so powerful, why should we > worry about them? But, if they are willing to listen to us, then it's > better that we tell them that now we have discovered this great power > and if it works out, if this great power works out, then only we can > really fashion the whole world in a new way. > > I have great hopes from you people, but the seriousness with which you > should take Sahaja yoga, for example even meditation, people don't do. > A simple thing like meditation, you people don't do. I can't > understand. How will you grow without meditation? > > Unless and until you become thoughtlessly aware, you cannot grow. So > you have to. You have to at least meditate morning and evening. There > are many people who are not even collective by temperament. If they > are staying in an Ashram they just think that Ashram life is no good > and, such people should really get out of Sahaja yoga, because they > have not yet understood what Sahaja Yoga is. Without collectivity, how > will you grow? You see, you know very well that in a 'Sanga', in a > group, in combining together only you can be strong. > > It's a fact that if you have one stick you can break it, but if you > put many sticks together you cannot break them. But there are still > people I know who are still not so much in collectivity. This shows > how poor they are in their understanding of their own self, and they > are telling me that " Mother we don't want to stay in the Ashram any > more " . So they should get out of Sahaja Yoga. Without the > collectivity, you cannot grow. Without the discipline of Sahaja Yoga > you cannot grow. > > It's better to have ten people of good quality than to have a thousand > useless people. That's what is the will of God. So now, as you are > today here , so many people, I am really enamored to see so many > people are there, and we have done so much of our growth and grown out > of all those nonsensical things that we were following. But today we > have to take a wow: that I'll fashion my life according to the will of > God, absolutely, and dedicate myself to that. > > No family, no other considerations. Just forget it. Nothing is so > important. Everything can be looked after by the will of God, so if > you just try to follow the will of God, your children will be looked > after, everything will be looked after. You don't have to worry for > anything, and that works. Just try to understand that you have > problems because you don't want to give those problems to God, you > want to keep it to yourselves, that's why you have problems. If you > decide that " no, I just want to give these problems to God's will " . > Finished. > > Also there are some who want to say that we are not so capable. > " Mother, we can't do it " . Saying like this also is stupid. You must > test yourself, see for yourself. So first of all, one should > understand why do we say such a thing. Maybe we are very > money-oriented, that we want to have money to ourselves, or something > like that. Or some people are there who talk of business also in > Sahaja Yoga. There must be something like money orientation, or some > sort of material attachment that they say that we are not capable, we > cannot change. > > The second could be the attachment to your family, your children, > this, that. Or, " this is mine, this is mine, this is mine " . This could > be the second reason: that you think that you are not bold enough or > you are not strong enough to do Sahaja Yoga. > > Thirdly could be that you are still playing with your old habits and > that you are enjoying your life without virtues. There can be some > reason like that, so just try to locate, why am I behaving like this? > Why am I not getting into the same beautiful path of my ascent as > everybody else. If you introspect, you will find out that there's > something wrong with me. That I think I am not capable of doing > things. You are capable of doing everything. You just try this and > enjoy it. > > So most important thing now that remains is that you should become a > proper, strong, compassionate vehicle of God's will. So then, what is > most important of course? I agree that you do my Puja, because that > helps you a lot, no doubt. But not so many other things you people > tell me are of importance. The main thing is that you should all > ascend higher and higher and compete with each other in getting into > higher situation. > > As it is, I think that in such a short time we have achieved a lot, no > doubt, but still we have to speed up and work it out. I am sure that > this new science which we can say is the absolute science, will one > day out-shadow the other sciences. Tell people that this is what it > is. It is in your hands. You work it out. > > So today is the day we celebrate by which we have opened absolutely a > new dimension. Absolutely a venue of great divinity, of the proofs of > the divine and this is something so great that we can really finish > all the illusions they have about themselves. We can manage that. That > power you all have. > > May God bless you. > 10th of May 1992, Cabella Ligure Italy > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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