Sahaj Cultural Mores

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

I got my realization over the internet. The only site I have read is

from this site. I do not know of any Cultural Mores nor did I realize

any existed. I do not have a support group here nor have I ever met

another Sahaja Yogi in person. I continue to read and meditate within

myself and listen to the real me, my spirit. I do not know what else

to do but be myself. I believe by doing just that, that others might

come to their realization also. I am a changed person. It started

just by reading about Jagbir's children. I do not smoke or drink

anymore since I started my journey but of course that is only the

outward appearance of a great change that has occurred within myself.

I realized the divine message and the importance of it and wanted to

be a part of it.

I hope this helps others see that I see self realization as a

personal journey where I seek answers from within myself. Of course

if I have questions I can always ask others through this web site.

Thanks everyone for your support.

 

Love,

 

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Jai Shri Mataji

 

Its good to know that there are people out there who get their realisation over the net and continue their growth within. Also as Shri Mataji has said that we should go to the meditation center if there is one for collective meditation. I know being in touch over the net is also being part of the collective, but going to the center helps too.

Also trying to attend the pujas would be helpful to grow spiritually faster.

Though there are many sys who inspite of attending the centers , pujas regularly do not reach the desired stage, but that should not be a deterrent for attending centers and pujas.

 

jai shri matajiChuck <chuckhennigan wrote:

Dear All,I got my realization over the internet. The only site I have read is from this site. I do not know of any Cultural Mores nor did I realize any existed. I do not have a support group here nor have I ever met another Sahaja Yogi in person. I continue to read and meditate within myself and listen to the real me, my spirit. I do not know what else to do but be myself. I believe by doing just that, that others might come to their realization also. I am a changed person. It started just by reading about Jagbir's children. I do not smoke or drink anymore since I started my journey but of course that is only the outward appearance of a great change that has occurred within myself. I realized the divine message and the importance of it and wanted to be a part of it.I hope this helps others see that I see self realization as a

personal journey where I seek answers from within myself. Of course if I have questions I can always ask others through this web site. Thanks everyone for your support.Love,Chuck

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[Guest guest]

, mahesh khatri

<maheshkhatri> wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir

>

> Jai Shri Mataji

>

> So do you mean to say that all the centers and Pujas are a waste

> of time and energy.

>

 

 

Dear Mahesh,

 

i have discussed this issue a number of times:

 

/message/3415

 

You should read it again to understand my stand. i know for a fact

that Shri Mataji urges us to be in Collective Conciousness rather

than local collective consciousness.

 

Chuck may go to the local collective is he wishes but i cannot

reccommend him any. Neither can you. Since that is the case it would

be better i honestly tell him that he is already advanced than many

SYs having spent years going to collectives and pujas. When he has

progressed so far without going to a collective or puja why are you

insisting that he must go ............... or else will not be

regarded a SY?

 

See, you are already starting to put conditions on him even before

he has moved a single step towards the collective. What else will

take place when he does visit one? Since he never set foot in a

collective how is it possible for him to advance that far? i am

asking this because by your definition he is not a SY too, just like

me. Or is he since he has done very well in such a short time? i

mean he gave up drinking and smoking. Surely he was helped.

 

i just heard today that in vast Australia there are a number of SYs

who are isolated and alone. Are they not SYs? And if they are why?

Please answer these questions because SYs have the habit of

generalizing and saying things that are not true. If SYs were

genuinely advancing in collectives Sahaja Yoga would have been

successful a long time ago.

 

But when you have official mouthpieces like Aunty Shaku warning us

to stay indoors next week on Diwali because the doors of hell are

going to open i will keep on telling seekers like Chuck to stay away

from collectives for their own good.

 

Last, but not the least, SYs are in the mode of external worship.

Once you are able to meditate the Adi Shakti withtin without any

external aid or image you will truly realize what Shri Mataji tried

to teach us. Just because SYs at local collectives continue with

these external rituals does not mean others must be subject to them

too. Chuck will have to follow external rituals because SYs have not

reached that state yet. Why usher him to attend kindergarten just

because those greeting him are in Grade 1? Why not let him advance

on his own so that we may one day find out the progress made by

those able to meditate on their own after self-realization with

attending any collective or meeting and SYs? Mahesh, just like you

and the vast majority of SYs, i am trying to rid the demons of the

years in Sahaja Yoga. Why can't you and others have faith that the

Inner Guide/Spirit/Shakti is the Ultimate Reality, not Her external

aging incarnation Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi? Why should we subject

advanced souls to the ignorance exhibited by SYs in their local

collectives? Why can't you recognize their advanced stage? How do

you know who are these souls who have started meditating on the

Shakti within? Why must we subject them to the same pain that all of

us have and will experience from ignorant SYs in collectives? Must

Chuck get ready to stay indoors because the doors of hell will be

open 24 hrs about a week from today? i mean this comes from official

sources for all centers and collectives. Unlike us here, who are SYs

at local collectives to question the wisdom of Aunty Shaku?

 

warmest regards,

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

I agree whole-heartedly with what you are saying, though I feel that

there are some issues which need to be taken even further.

What I say may be painful and difficuly to face for many; but it is

necessary that everything be openly faced.

Certainly SYs are stuck in the mode of external worship.

There are some unavoidable and undeniable facts to face.

As a person, Shri Mataji has done some awful things, and the

collective is following her example as well as doing even worse.

Choosing marriage partners for people, divorcing them and sending

small children far away from their parents is wrong. Allowing

abusive leaders to remain leaders is wrong. These are just a few

examples.

People who are caught up in conditionings, and who have not realised

the divine message of the Spirit within, will be unable to face the

truth, due to fear, and will continue with denial of facts, worship

of external things, and dishonesty to themselves and others.

People need to realise that the divine message is ABOVE all the

spiritual traditions. The concept of the worship of the guru as

incarnation is Hindu/Indian. This is a cultural conditioning. The

power of the Holy Spirit is not Hindu, or Christian, or Muslim; it

is BEYOND all the spiritual traditions. A universal religion means

just this; it is UNIVERSAL; unbound by culture, traditions, customs,

conditionings; it rises above them all.

The spiritual journey only begins when everything that is known is

left behind, and when one begins to follow the Inner Spirit.

Until this happens, the journey has not even begun. The external

paths only serve to bring the individual to the point at which the

individual is ready to begin the real journey within.

Love and peace to all, Semira

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> , mahesh khatri

> <maheshkhatri> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir

> >

> > Jai Shri Mataji

> >

> > So do you mean to say that all the centers and Pujas are a waste

> > of time and energy.

> >

>

>

> Dear Mahesh,

>

> i have discussed this issue a number of times:

>

> /message/3415

>

> You should read it again to understand my stand. i know for a fact

> that Shri Mataji urges us to be in Collective Conciousness rather

> than local collective consciousness.

>

> Chuck may go to the local collective is he wishes but i cannot

> reccommend him any. Neither can you. Since that is the case it

would

> be better i honestly tell him that he is already advanced than

many

> SYs having spent years going to collectives and pujas. When he has

> progressed so far without going to a collective or puja why are

you

> insisting that he must go ............... or else will not be

> regarded a SY?

>

> See, you are already starting to put conditions on him even before

> he has moved a single step towards the collective. What else will

> take place when he does visit one? Since he never set foot in a

> collective how is it possible for him to advance that far? i am

> asking this because by your definition he is not a SY too, just

like

> me. Or is he since he has done very well in such a short time? i

> mean he gave up drinking and smoking. Surely he was helped.

>

> i just heard today that in vast Australia there are a number of

SYs

> who are isolated and alone. Are they not SYs? And if they are why?

> Please answer these questions because SYs have the habit of

> generalizing and saying things that are not true. If SYs were

> genuinely advancing in collectives Sahaja Yoga would have been

> successful a long time ago.

>

> But when you have official mouthpieces like Aunty Shaku warning us

> to stay indoors next week on Diwali because the doors of hell are

> going to open i will keep on telling seekers like Chuck to stay

away

> from collectives for their own good.

>

> Last, but not the least, SYs are in the mode of external worship.

> Once you are able to meditate the Adi Shakti withtin without any

> external aid or image you will truly realize what Shri Mataji

tried

> to teach us. Just because SYs at local collectives continue with

> these external rituals does not mean others must be subject to

them

> too. Chuck will have to follow external rituals because SYs have

not

> reached that state yet. Why usher him to attend kindergarten just

> because those greeting him are in Grade 1? Why not let him advance

> on his own so that we may one day find out the progress made by

> those able to meditate on their own after self-realization with

> attending any collective or meeting and SYs? Mahesh, just like you

> and the vast majority of SYs, i am trying to rid the demons of the

> years in Sahaja Yoga. Why can't you and others have faith that the

> Inner Guide/Spirit/Shakti is the Ultimate Reality, not Her

external

> aging incarnation Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi? Why should we subject

> advanced souls to the ignorance exhibited by SYs in their local

> collectives? Why can't you recognize their advanced stage? How do

> you know who are these souls who have started meditating on the

> Shakti within? Why must we subject them to the same pain that all

of

> us have and will experience from ignorant SYs in collectives? Must

> Chuck get ready to stay indoors because the doors of hell will be

> open 24 hrs about a week from today? i mean this comes from

official

> sources for all centers and collectives. Unlike us here, who are

SYs

> at local collectives to question the wisdom of Aunty Shaku?

>

> warmest regards,

>

>

> jagbir

>

[Guest guest]

, " semirafields "

<semirafields> wrote:

>

> As a person, Shri Mataji has done some awful things, and the

> collective is following her example as well as doing even worse.

> Choosing marriage partners for people, divorcing them and sending

> small children far away from their parents is wrong. Allowing

> abusive leaders to remain leaders is wrong. These are just a few

> examples.

>

 

Dear Semira,

 

Shri Mataji never compelled anyone by " Choosing marriage partners

for people, divorcing them and sending small children far away from

their parents is wrong. "

 

i would glady have a marrraige partner chosen by Her. I have

voluntarily sent my children far away from us because of the harsh

North American enviroment. If i cannot get along with my wife it

would be mutually beneficial to both parties that we divorce. So

what is the problem here if Shri Mataji did the same?

 

A single swift does not make a summer. Shri Mataji may have advised

two or three married couples, out of hundreds, to divorce since they

were unable to get along despite efforts at reconciliation. i would

have advised the same. Even a marriage counsellor would have come to

the same conclusion.

 

The fact that you have listened to third-parties and come to this

conclusion about Shri Mataji leaves much to be desired as i have

great respect for you. In the first place you were not privy to what

actually took place two decades ago. Did you actually speak to the

divorced parties? Did they confide in you the reason they had to

divorce? Listening to murmuring souls trying to discredit Shri Mataji

on such isolated incidents that happened in the 80s will disturb

your mind. Please don't dwell on hearsay and judge/accuse Shri

Mataji in a kangaroo court.

 

warmest regards,

 

 

jagbir

 

 

Note: i will respond to Her chosing leaders when i have more time.

[Guest guest]

, " semirafields "

<semirafields> wrote:

>

> Dear Semira,

 

I think what Jagbir was trying to tell me is to keep listening to

myself, the spirit and not be swayed by outside influences. You are

right in that the external path is only to serve to bring the

individual to the point at which the individual is ready to begin

the real journey within. I did not seek realization at the very

beginning. I just read and learned. Violet was so kind as she did

not push. She just said, each person is different and only you will

know what is right for you. I do not feel that as an Avitar, Shri

Mataji has done anything awful. How can I judge someone elses

actions unless I know their heart? Someone who is kind, loving,

caring and thinks of others before themselves has a good heart. How

can someone not allow abusive leaders to remain leaders? Anyone who

is abusive and has followers will remain a leader to their followers

if followers choose to follow them. Shri Mataji allows free will for

everyone. As for choosing marriage partners or allowing people to

divorce and sending small children far away from their parents, I do

not know unless I know the intentions of the heart and the

circumstance. I do know that ritualism that takes away from

knowledge that everything comes from God is wrong. Ritualism that

draws someone closer to realization that everything comes from God

is good. I do not need ritualism to know that God lives inside my

body with me along with Avitars for understanding. But if I light a

candle and say, see the light? Do you understand the light is in you

also and is God? God is what will bring you closer to youself which

is your Spirit, yourself. When you know you are a spirit and

understand you are a Spirit and become your own master, you no

longer need the candle.

 

I will leave everyone with this from the Gita:

 

The night of the world is the time of awakening for the self

controlled, and the time of awakening for the world is night for

those with inner vision. One who is undisturbed by the flow of

desires finds peace, as the ocean-though filled by incessant rivers-

remains still. One who strives to satisfy those desires finds no

peace. One who gives up selfish desires, who lives content, without

ego or possessiveness, achieves peace. This is the spiritual path,

on which one will not be deluded. If one follows this path, even at

the hour of death, one will enter the presence of God.

 

Love,

 

Chuck

 

> Dear Jagbir,

> I agree whole-heartedly with what you are saying, though I feel

that

> there are some issues which need to be taken even further.

> What I say may be painful and difficuly to face for many; but it

is

> necessary that everything be openly faced.

> Certainly SYs are stuck in the mode of external worship.

> There are some unavoidable and undeniable facts to face.

> As a person, Shri Mataji has done some awful things, and the

> collective is following her example as well as doing even worse.

> Choosing marriage partners for people, divorcing them and sending

> small children far away from their parents is wrong. Allowing

> abusive leaders to remain leaders is wrong. These are just a few

> examples.

> People who are caught up in conditionings, and who have not

realised

> the divine message of the Spirit within, will be unable to face

the

> truth, due to fear, and will continue with denial of facts,

worship

> of external things, and dishonesty to themselves and others.

> People need to realise that the divine message is ABOVE all the

> spiritual traditions. The concept of the worship of the guru as

> incarnation is Hindu/Indian. This is a cultural conditioning. The

> power of the Holy Spirit is not Hindu, or Christian, or Muslim; it

> is BEYOND all the spiritual traditions. A universal religion means

> just this; it is UNIVERSAL; unbound by culture, traditions,

customs,

> conditionings; it rises above them all.

> The spiritual journey only begins when everything that is known is

> left behind, and when one begins to follow the Inner Spirit.

> Until this happens, the journey has not even begun. The external

> paths only serve to bring the individual to the point at which the

> individual is ready to begin the real journey within.

> Love and peace to all, Semira

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chuck,

Thank you for the lovely words of the Gita and for sharing your

personal experiences and thoughts.

It is true that each person is different, and has different needs.

The words you have written 'How can I judge someone elses actions

unless I know their heart' are insightful, and have reminded me that

the only person I should be judging is myself; and not anyone else.

Love, Semira

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Chuck "

<chuckhennigan@s...> wrote:

>

> , " semirafields "

> <semirafields> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Semira,

>

> I think what Jagbir was trying to tell me is to keep listening to

> myself, the spirit and not be swayed by outside influences. You

are

> right in that the external path is only to serve to bring the

> individual to the point at which the individual is ready to begin

> the real journey within. I did not seek realization at the very

> beginning. I just read and learned. Violet was so kind as she did

> not push. She just said, each person is different and only you

will

> know what is right for you. I do not feel that as an Avitar, Shri

> Mataji has done anything awful. How can I judge someone elses

> actions unless I know their heart? Someone who is kind, loving,

> caring and thinks of others before themselves has a good heart.

How

> can someone not allow abusive leaders to remain leaders? Anyone

who

> is abusive and has followers will remain a leader to their

followers

> if followers choose to follow them. Shri Mataji allows free will

for

> everyone. As for choosing marriage partners or allowing people to

> divorce and sending small children far away from their parents, I

do

> not know unless I know the intentions of the heart and the

> circumstance. I do know that ritualism that takes away from

> knowledge that everything comes from God is wrong. Ritualism that

> draws someone closer to realization that everything comes from God

> is good. I do not need ritualism to know that God lives inside my

> body with me along with Avitars for understanding. But if I light

a

> candle and say, see the light? Do you understand the light is in

you

> also and is God? God is what will bring you closer to youself

which

> is your Spirit, yourself. When you know you are a spirit and

> understand you are a Spirit and become your own master, you no

> longer need the candle.

>

> I will leave everyone with this from the Gita:

>

> The night of the world is the time of awakening for the self

> controlled, and the time of awakening for the world is night for

> those with inner vision. One who is undisturbed by the flow of

> desires finds peace, as the ocean-though filled by incessant

rivers-

> remains still. One who strives to satisfy those desires finds no

> peace. One who gives up selfish desires, who lives content,

without

> ego or possessiveness, achieves peace. This is the spiritual path,

> on which one will not be deluded. If one follows this path, even

at

> the hour of death, one will enter the presence of God.

>

> Love,

>

> Chuck

>

> > Dear Jagbir,

> > I agree whole-heartedly with what you are saying, though I feel

> that

> > there are some issues which need to be taken even further.

> > What I say may be painful and difficuly to face for many; but it

> is

> > necessary that everything be openly faced.

> > Certainly SYs are stuck in the mode of external worship.

> > There are some unavoidable and undeniable facts to face.

> > As a person, Shri Mataji has done some awful things, and the

> > collective is following her example as well as doing even worse.

> > Choosing marriage partners for people, divorcing them and

sending

> > small children far away from their parents is wrong. Allowing

> > abusive leaders to remain leaders is wrong. These are just a few

> > examples.

> > People who are caught up in conditionings, and who have not

> realised

> > the divine message of the Spirit within, will be unable to face

> the

> > truth, due to fear, and will continue with denial of facts,

> worship

> > of external things, and dishonesty to themselves and others.

> > People need to realise that the divine message is ABOVE all the

> > spiritual traditions. The concept of the worship of the guru as

> > incarnation is Hindu/Indian. This is a cultural conditioning.

The

> > power of the Holy Spirit is not Hindu, or Christian, or Muslim;

it

> > is BEYOND all the spiritual traditions. A universal religion

means

> > just this; it is UNIVERSAL; unbound by culture, traditions,

> customs,

> > conditionings; it rises above them all.

> > The spiritual journey only begins when everything that is known

is

> > left behind, and when one begins to follow the Inner Spirit.

> > Until this happens, the journey has not even begun. The external

> > paths only serve to bring the individual to the point at which

the

> > individual is ready to begin the real journey within.

> > Love and peace to all, Semira

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>