This post is not for the prudish

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To all,

 

i am posting an email to educate ourselves as to the darkness of

this Kali Yuga and how demonic people seek salvation. This email

also reminded me of Ishmael. i feel it is necessary that we grasp

the wide range of problems facing us SYs as we try to enlighten

others.

 

i have not replied to the email below as i cannot find the words:

 

dear people at adi-shakti.I just happened to come across our

website,maybe it was devine calling,but your website and HH Mataji

Nirmala Devi has trully blow away my mind and I have completely

surrendered myself to her.I was born and raised a Roman catholic but

have always felt empty spiritually.I especially resent the heavy-

handed ways of the catholic church especially their views on sex.I

think sex is most natural thing and we become closer to God in the

act.Me and friends have started a small group of followers wherein

we try to realise our spiritual self and sex is a very important

part.However we have always felt the need for a great leader to show

us the way to the ultimate truth.I dont know whether Adi Shakti can

help though we beleive she can.Right now I am based in London.DO you

have any offices or branch here.Is it possible to have a darshan of

Mataji.Forgive me if I have made any trespasses but after seeing the

photograph of Mataji I have a strong inner desire to copulate with

her and obtain spiritual nirvana.Are disciples of Mata allowed to

copulate with her.I need to know this since the urge to copulate and

attain nirvana is so tremendous in me.Again I apologise If i have

made any trespasses but this is merely due my ignorance of your

institution.

disciple of the lord

jeremy

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, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> To all,

>

> i am posting an email to educate ourselves as to the darkness of

> this Kali Yuga and how demonic people seek salvation. This email

> also reminded me of Ishmael. i feel it is necessary that we grasp

> the wide range of problems facing us SYs as we try to enlighten

> others.

>

 

i was asked to remove this post:

 

" Jagbir

Now you've 'educated' us, please delete this repulsive email from the

archives. "

 

Wish to inform those SYs unable to face the realities of this world

to stop reacting and feel insulted. It is a far greater insult to

the Adi Shakti to have tens of thousands of Her devotees misleading

6,000,000,000 humans than a single ignorant one telling the truth of

what he believes. Some SYs feel so offended when they come across

such an incident but have no conscience of their own blatant

dishonesty. Yet they want to delete the post. How about them asking

their leaders to delete all Sahaja Yoga websites that refuse to tell

the Divine Message?

 

i very strongly believe misleading billions of humans is a far, far

greater sin because it involves tens of thousands SYs working

collectively to support the deception. Why feel nauseated by the

honest belief of an ignorant being? At least he has declared what he

was taught by his guru! Comparing the openness and sincerity of his

strong faith to what SYs have i still do not know whether to laugh

or cry. Any suggestions?

 

regards to all,

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbirji,

 

This is very obviously the work of a prankster and trouble-maker and

you showed appallingly poor judgment and extremely bad taste in

showing everybody this crap on this forum. Did you say forensic

analysis? You should do this and identify which of your many enemies

is behind this.

 

Ashish

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

>

>

> To all,

>

> i am posting an email to educate ourselves as to the darkness of

> this Kali Yuga and how demonic people seek salvation. This email

> also reminded me of Ishmael. i feel it is necessary that we grasp

> the wide range of problems facing us SYs as we try to enlighten

> others.

>

> i have not replied to the email below as i cannot find the words:

>

[Guest guest]

, " ashish_k108 "

<ashish_k108> wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbirji,

>

> This is very obviously the work of a prankster and trouble-maker

> and you showed appallingly poor judgment and extremely bad taste

> in showing everybody this crap on this forum. Did you say forensic

> analysis? You should do this and identify which of your many

> enemies is behind this.

>

> Ashish

>

>

 

i DID the forensic analysis before posting it. It is from someone

who believes in tantra sex. There are literally thousands of them

and their numbers are growing. i have been on the net for a decade

and have read more garbage than anyone can absorb in an entire life-

time. Maybe you will understand better if you digest the sincerity

of those who believe that salvation can be attained through sex:

 

 

" Tantra: A system of exercises practiced as part of the Hindu

discipline to promote control of the body and mind; yoga or tantrism

is any of several esoteric traditions rooted in the religions of

India.

 

In its Indian forms, tantra can be summarized as a family of

voluntary rituals modeled on those of the Vedas, together with

their attendant texts and lineages. These rituals typically involve

the visualization of a deity, offerings (real or visualized), and

the chanting of his or her mantra. These practices are usually said

to require permission from a qualified teacher or guru who belongs

to a legitimate guruparampara or teacher-student lineage. Tantra

thus broadly overlaps with yoga in the broadest sense of that word.

 

Common variations include visualizing the deity in the act of sexual

union with a consort; visualizing oneself as the deity;

and/or " transgressive " acts such as token consumption of meat or

alcohol. Occasionally ritualized sex may be undertaken in imitation

of the divine model. This accounts of tantra's mixed reputation, and

its reception in the West primarily as a collection of sexual

practices.

 

Within Vajrayana Buddhist circles, sexual tantra is apparently rare

but not unknown, even among theoretically celibate monks. June

Campbell's book " Traveller in Space " tells the story of her

recruitment as a tantric consort by Kalu Rinpoche, who also strongly

urged her silence. Vajrayana principles might justify the resulting

violation of his monastic vows with an appeal to the bodhisattva

principle, on the theory that even a monk ought to have sex if that

will help him attain enlightenment sooner. Nevertheless, a more

typical example of Tibetan tantra would be the chanting of the well-

known mantra of Avalokiteshvara Aum Mani Padme Hum.

 

Japan's Shingon sectBuddhist tantrism is also practiced to a lesser

extent in East Asia. Japan's Shingon sect, for example, practices

tantric veneration of the deity

 

New Age tantra: New Age and Western esoteric appropriations of

tantra usually disregard requirements involving guruparampara and

ritual conduct, though they otherwise adopt many of the terms and

concepts of Indian tantra. In these circles, " tantra " is often a

synonym for sacred sexuality, i.e. a belief that sex ought to be

recognized as a sacred act which is capable of elevating its

participants to a higher spiritual plane. At other times " tantra "

comes to mean a set of techniques for cultivating a more fulfilling

sexual or love relationship, like the otherwise unrelated Kama

Sutra, regardless of its metaphysical import. "

 

 

i believe the forensic analysis confirms a belief in sacred sex, and

is not the work of a prankster and trouble-maker. Shri Mataji

exposed us to false gurus using all sorts of methods to attract

followers. i am just exposing how ignorant humans, especially in the

West, are led to believe that sacred sex will save their soul.

 

BTW, there was a SY who claimed he did the same and wanted to be

recognized as Shri Kalki. Think he is using stealth to advertise and

revive his claim all over again here Ashish?

 

regards,

 

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> , " ashish_k108 "

> <ashish_k108> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbirji,

> >

> > This is very obviously the work of a prankster and trouble-maker

> > and you showed appallingly poor judgment and extremely bad taste

> > in showing everybody this crap on this forum. Did you say

> > forensic analysis? You should do this and identify which of your

> > many enemies is behind this.

> >

> > Ashish

> >

> >

>

> i DID the forensic analysis before posting it. It is from someone

> who believes in tantra sex. There are literally thousands of them

> and their numbers are growing. i have been on the net for a decade

> and have read more garbage than anyone can absorb in an entire

> life-time. Maybe you will understand better if you digest the

> sincerity of those who believe that salvation can be attained

> through sex:

>

>

 

Just in case forensic analysis is not sufficient to rule out a

prankster and trouble-maker i have taken the trouble to confirm that

there are 3,200,000 Google links for " tantra + sex " . Looks like

there are millions who have set up " salvation through scared sex "

websites. i list the top four with evidence that matches the deep

belief of those looking for tantra sex.

 

Let's not pretend this is a ploy to discredit me ............... of

what may i ask? Where is the evidence or is it mere speculation?

 

And even if in 1 out of 3,200,000 chance it does come true that a

prankster did it will it alter the truth of the Divine Message in

any way? Even if i turn out to be wrong will it change an iota of

Shri Mataji's message to humanity?

 

With more than 3 million links to support this growing belief of

sacred sex for enlightenment i rest my case.

 

jagbir

 

 

Article: The Alchemy of Sex

 

Tantra and Taoism both take the approach that one should not reject

the body and its desires, but actually embrace them on the road to

enlightenment. They share the view that sexual intercourse can be a

sacrament and a means of spiritual transformation.

 

http://www.tantra.com/

 

 

4 Freedoms: energy sex in conscious relationship

TANTRA teaches the totality of life: awakening the body, merging

with the space of consciousness.

Teachers and authors Pala Copeland and Al Link have been practicing

sacred sex since 1987 and hosting seminars since 1997. This website

shares their knowledge and experience with you

 

http://www.tantra-sex.com/

 

 

Because Tantra is a mystical subject, it is nearly impossible to

define. Tantra is a spiritual, sexual science that is not static in

its definition.

 

When we embrace Tantra, we become more " complete. " By identifying

and stimulating our innate sensual spirituality, we discover parts

of ourselves that have been repressed. We can learn to use Tantric

energy for sexual pleasure and awareness above all.

 

Familiarity with Tantra can help a person enjoy their sex life to

its fullest potential. It can help do away with guilt or fear, and

break down self-imposed or limiting cultural boundaries (as is the

case in most Western societies).

 

Tantra teaches us to become familiar with our mystical nature, and

when we do so, our boundaries (sexual and otherwise) expand. We

enter into new realms of awareness. We become empowered and more

fulfilled -- and the orgasms experienced in this state of

consciousness are not just incredible, they're explosive and

potentially unending.

 

http://www.askmen.com/sex/sextip/43_love_tip.html

 

 

AT tantra tantric sex site was created by experts trained in

traditional tantric yoga and tantra positions, specifically, the

ancient Tibet style of spiritual or sacred sexuality ( " AT " ). We

offer free info, instructional books and CDs.

 

What you can experience through this is indescribable. Imagine

trying to explain color to people who have only seen black & white

their entire lives - that's how different it is.

 

Usually credited to Hindu practices, such techniques were practiced

in ancient Egypt, Buddhism, Jewish, and Christian cultures. There

are two basic types of tantra - tantric sex, one lovingly shares

spiritual and sexual/emotional energy with the spouse and is

connected with God. The other styles, sometimes called " sex magic " ,

selfishly " drain " energy from the partner. We only offer instruction

in the first type.

 

Expert or beginner, you'll find something for your needs " AT tantra

tantric sex " .

 

http://at-tantra-tantric-sex.com/

[Guest guest]

, " ashish_k108 "

<ashish_k108> wrote:

>

> You should do this and identify which of your many enemies

> is behind this.

>

> Ashish

>

 

Now the Muslim guy is mad because i told him that Shri Mataji will

not meet him in person. Danny is on a warpath because he feels

offended that he cannot offend others. JN is angry that i posted

that tantra article for the education of others since he was already

educated. Guess that tantra addict will become my enemy too if i do

not respond favourable.

 

Looks like if i do not accomodate these views and demands they too

will join the swelling rank of my enemies. Does anyone think i

should become more popular by pretending Sahaja Yoga is for stress

management and leave all problems to Shri Mataji? Will it help if i

just witness the doors of Hell opening on Diwali and do nothing

about it? Or refuse to speak up when senior SYs brainwash young

minds to chase bhoots with lighted candles?

 

Sure Ashish i have many enemies. Try telling the Truth upfront with

all transparency and see how many you will make. But i really do not

worry about reputation, popularity or insults. Since leaders could

not even produce five SYs as a birthday gift for Shri Mataji i have

had only good feelings that they will never come from within the

organization. Is that the reason why i have so many enemies from

within the organization too? ............... and all the while i

was thinking SYs were supposed to love other SYs, even night-soil

carriers like me? Where did my many enemies go wrong Ashish?

 

Jai Shri Mataji,

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

Nor should you reply Jagbir; a reply would only waste positive energy in a negative direction.

This person is very sick indeed.jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:

To all,i am posting an email to educate ourselves as to the darkness of this Kali Yuga and how demonic people seek salvation. This email also reminded me of Ishmael. i feel it is necessary that we grasp the wide range of problems facing us SYs as we try to enlighten others.i have not replied to the email below as i cannot find the words:dear people at adi-shakti.I just happened to come across our website,maybe it was devine calling,but your website and HH Mataji Nirmala Devi has trully blow away my mind and I have completely surrendered myself to her.I was born and raised a Roman catholic but have always felt empty spiritually.I especially resent the heavy-handed ways of the catholic church especially their views on sex.I think sex is most natural thing and we become closer to God in the act.Me and friends

have started a small group of followers wherein we try to realise our spiritual self and sex is a very important part.However we have always felt the need for a great leader to show us the way to the ultimate truth.I dont know whether Adi Shakti can help though we beleive she can.Right now I am based in London.DO you have any offices or branch here.Is it possible to have a darshan of Mataji.Forgive me if I have made any trespasses but after seeing the photograph of Mataji I have a strong inner desire to copulate with her and obtain spiritual nirvana.Are disciples of Mata allowed to copulate with her.I need to know this since the urge to copulate and attain nirvana is so tremendous in me.Again I apologise If i have made any trespasses but this is merely due my ignorance of your institution.disciple of the lordjeremy

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