The chorus of cries is growing louder WCASY and its the beginning of your end!

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" jglove7 " <jglove7

Mon Nov 7, 2005 11:08 pm

Hello

 

Hello,

 

I am one of those with one foot outside SY. I felt the need to tell

you what I still feel/experience in SY. I have no reason to lie, so

please don't attack me - this is what I feel, it is my experience.

 

I've been in it over 20 years. I feel chakra catches of myself and

others. When I do pluck up the courage to ask others (approx. 1/3rd

of the time)about their health/emotions, it has been spot on every

time - the chakra and the related problem/ailment.

 

I have stopped the aches and pains of many others -coworkers/

employees, friends, sahaja yogis. In particular many in my large

corporation come to me for help with their headaches and other

minor ailments. I know this is frowned upon, but I do it for free -

and it helps our company's bottom line.

 

NOw for why one foot is out of SY. It's the people who are " in

charge " . Except for the odd one, the majority are not at all saint-

like or compassionate. In fact many rank and file S Yogis behave

like Nazis - especially ones from Austria.

 

Also, there is very little emphasis in the US on meditation - it is

all external. Then there is the poli(t)ics, the lies and the cover-

ups. Don't they realize that we still retain a modicum of

intelligence?

 

Any experienced S Yogis on this site are welcome to explain these

major problems, and suggest solutions.

 

And, please, I am writing in all seriousness and sincerity, so

please respond in kind.

 

Thank you.

 

John.

 

 

" semirafields " <semirafields

Tue Nov 8, 2005 1:39 am

Re: Hello

 

Dear John,

 

The Kundalini energy is real; which is why you can feel the energy

of others. The effects of the energy are not dependant on your

belonging to an organisation which is blatantly corrupt. Never let

other people tell you what you should be doing, and how to behave;

just be true to yourself.

 

Meditation is a private experience between you and God, and cannot

be controlled and organised by other people.

 

Love, Semira

 

 

" trikon yogi " <trikon_yogi

Tue Nov 8, 2005 2:59 am

Re: Hello

 

first of all......thanks for sharing ur experience....

 

its been around 4 years since the time i recieved my SY

realisation.....there have been many doubts....many hurdles.....but

the feeling of the kundalini never dies out......that is what keeps

me going......i too have met certain SYogis who dont behave in the so

called saintly/compasionate manner......but i have met a few gems

too......who stick to the real sense of Sahaj......beyond the

institution......i strongly feel that SY is not a religion or an

institution......yes a sort of organising body is required in order

to carry out the various pujas,programmes etc.....but this aspect is

present only for the spread of the SY technique.......this is not the

actual true form of SY.....SY is much more deep......so there is no

need to pay attention to the disturbing elements.......in the end it

comes down to the self....to the meditation.....where one is

thoughtless......without being a part of the institution......and we

r still walking on the path......maybe the whole thing will solve

itself up after we reach where we r suppose to reach thru the

meditation.......all these hurdles/negative/opposing elements are

just stones in our path which should be experienced and left alone

after we have learnt our lesson.......we shouldnt stay involved in

them for too long.......we have to move on.....because i feel that

there is always something more to achieve if we choose not to stop

growing......

 

so stay cool......stay calm......forgive me if i have disturbed

anyone thru my words.......

 

thank you,

trikon_yogi

[Guest guest]

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

>

> Now for why one foot is out of SY. It's the people who are " in

> charge " . Except for the odd one, the majority are not at all saint-

> like or compassionate. In fact many rank and file S Yogis behave

> like Nazis - especially ones from Austria.

>

> Also, there is very little emphasis in the US on meditation - it is

> all external. Then there is the poli(t)ics, the lies and the cover-

> ups. Don't they realize that we still retain a modicum of

> intelligence?

>

 

i wonder if anyone will have one foot out of Sahaja Yoga after 20

years is he/she thoroughly understood what it is all about. Sure i

will be willing to leave anytime if it is about meditation and

healing. That we have SYs like John with one foot still out after

two decades is testimony to the enormous damage the present deeply

entrenched subtle system is inflicting on its practitioners. It

distorts intellectual reasoning, impairs judgment and dissipates

spiritual strength critically needed in this century of instant mass

communications. By this i mean the practitioners of subtle system

Sahaja Yoga become impotent against those questioning the religious

validity and divine credentials of its founder. That is why we have

management SYs devising all sorts of ruses and baits to entice

seekers. Improved health is one of the much touted benefits of

Sahaya Yoga. That is why many are the Jack of all trades. Only a few

like John have become masters - experts at chakra analysis and

healing.

 

But we have extremely few SYs, perhaps a handful only, who can

openly state that Sahaja Yoga is all about the Divine Message of the

Last Judgment delivered by the Adi Shakti. Even members here are

still reluctant to use such words to articulate their faith.

 

If 20 years ago John had understood the Divine Message he would have

far greater strength to stand and announce his conviction. He would

have had the courage to openly denounce all who were suppressing the

truth, even if it meant expulsion. He would have the self-

realization to know that he was at all times meditating and seeking

guidance from the eternal Shakti residing within, not Her

incarnation Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi without. He would have the

wisdom to be his own master and not fear/follow any `leader'. He

would have had both feet firmly planted in the Truth, with roots so

deep that no force can uproot them.

 

But we have begun on our forums and websites to put the past behind

us and begun a renaissance, albeit yet in its infancy. All we need

are more people who have the conscience to rebel against " the poli(t)

ics, the lies and the cover-ups. " Only those who have faith in the

Divine Message are going to establish the advent of Shri Mataji

before She leaves. The subtle system SYs are NOT going to do

anything about the Divine Message because they are influenced to

collectively take part in " the poli(t)ics, the lies and the cover-

ups " of the management SYs and WCASY. We have evidence to back what

we are saying. Even John makes no mention of it in his protest

despite 20 years in Sahaja Yoga. Do we SYs truly understand the

magnitude of what we have collectively brought upon ourselves?

 

Jai Shri Mataji,

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

Once a person has clearly understood the Divine message and its

implications, and personally experienced the power of the eternal

Spirit within, they will realise that the magnitude of this truth is

impossible to be confined to an organisation, and will follow the

guidance of the Spirit within only. The awareness that each person

is a part of the One living Spirit, and that this Spirit is within

us, gives us comfort and courage to openly declare and protect the

truth.

Best wishes, Semira

 

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Now for why one foot is out of SY. It's the people who are " in

> > charge " . Except for the odd one, the majority are not at all

saint-

> > like or compassionate. In fact many rank and file S Yogis behave

> > like Nazis - especially ones from Austria.

> >

> > Also, there is very little emphasis in the US on meditation - it

is

> > all external. Then there is the poli(t)ics, the lies and the

cover-

> > ups. Don't they realize that we still retain a modicum of

> > intelligence?

> >

>

> i wonder if anyone will have one foot out of Sahaja Yoga after 20

> years is he/she thoroughly understood what it is all about. Sure i

> will be willing to leave anytime if it is about meditation and

> healing. That we have SYs like John with one foot still out after

> two decades is testimony to the enormous damage the present deeply

> entrenched subtle system is inflicting on its practitioners. It

> distorts intellectual reasoning, impairs judgment and dissipates

> spiritual strength critically needed in this century of instant

mass

> communications. By this i mean the practitioners of subtle system

> Sahaja Yoga become impotent against those questioning the

religious

> validity and divine credentials of its founder. That is why we

have

> management SYs devising all sorts of ruses and baits to entice

> seekers. Improved health is one of the much touted benefits of

> Sahaya Yoga. That is why many are the Jack of all trades. Only a

few

> like John have become masters - experts at chakra analysis and

> healing.

>

> But we have extremely few SYs, perhaps a handful only, who can

> openly state that Sahaja Yoga is all about the Divine Message of

the

> Last Judgment delivered by the Adi Shakti. Even members here are

> still reluctant to use such words to articulate their faith.

>

> If 20 years ago John had understood the Divine Message he would

have

> far greater strength to stand and announce his conviction. He

would

> have had the courage to openly denounce all who were suppressing

the

> truth, even if it meant expulsion. He would have the self-

> realization to know that he was at all times meditating and

seeking

> guidance from the eternal Shakti residing within, not Her

> incarnation Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi without. He would have the

> wisdom to be his own master and not fear/follow any `leader'. He

> would have had both feet firmly planted in the Truth, with roots

so

> deep that no force can uproot them.

>

> But we have begun on our forums and websites to put the past

behind

> us and begun a renaissance, albeit yet in its infancy. All we need

> are more people who have the conscience to rebel against " the poli

(t)

> ics, the lies and the cover-ups. " Only those who have faith in the

> Divine Message are going to establish the advent of Shri Mataji

> before She leaves. The subtle system SYs are NOT going to do

> anything about the Divine Message because they are influenced to

> collectively take part in " the poli(t)ics, the lies and the cover-

> ups " of the management SYs and WCASY. We have evidence to back

what

> we are saying. Even John makes no mention of it in his protest

> despite 20 years in Sahaja Yoga. Do we SYs truly understand the

> magnitude of what we have collectively brought upon ourselves?

>

> Jai Shri Mataji,

>

>

> jagbir

>