Personal journey

[Guest guest]

I am finding by not looking at all, that for me personally, i find it

easier to meditate when i am by myself then when i am at a weekly

meeting or a puja or what have you in a collective atmosphere. Im not

sure why, but lately i find and feel like my attention and my focus

(both mentally and otherwise) is alot more inside and on my spirit

and on learning to truly build a relationship with the mother inside,

then on being a part of a group or learning the external rituals of

puja and such. Don't get me wrong, i enjoy the pujas and collective

meditation when people work on me and to watch the videos of Shri

Mataji etc etc, but i find it super difficult for me to meditate in

that situation. I think it feels to public a place for me to be doing

something so personal. I kind of feel for me i begin to trivialize it

and forget who i am actually connecting with and for what

purpose,instead worrying about if people can tell im struggling with

my attention, or weather or not they know what im thinking or why

this and that is catching or whatever. Its like i find myself placing

the purpose of meditating and the mindfulness of what i am actually

doing( from raising my kundalini to meditation itself) out of mind,

and my focus ends up on the " practice of meditating " in stead of

experiencing the experience in a conscious way. I just feel the most

content when i am by myself meditating, communicating etc in a

private setting.

 

Does this have anything to do with the fact that outside of all these

worship rituals which are amazing, in the end it all comes own to the

one on one relationship with God. I mean like i read on here: in the

end all that is there is you and God; not family, not freinds, not

job or boses, not wife or kids, not pujas, or insence or candles or

caphor, but you (the spirit) and God. For me there is omething in

that information that when contemplated upon, really brings me and

how special " sahaja yoga " (as an experience of a personal nature) is;

its really a gift.

 

Kyyan

[Guest guest]

Dear Danny,

There are some things I'd like to say about your reply to Kyyan.

You have mentioned that it is necessary to go to the collective

regularly for progress.

I am experiencing severe problems with this because I find the

organisation to be involved in lies and coverups. Also, I'm tired of

getting told about footsoaking, and hearing twisted versions of what

I know to be otherwise.

I cannot understand why realised people are knowingly practising

deception, whereas even unrealised people can discern the difference

between truth and lies. The layers of pretence and dishonesty are

repelling.

It is true that meditating in the collective is a very powerful

experience. However, this cannot be a reason to ignore the wrong

things that have been happening in the organisation.

If people in the SY organisation had any integrity at all, and were

sincere, all these troubling issues would be brought out into the

open and faced up to. The fact that this has not been done, and that

there is resistance to people voicing honest and sincere opinions,

is a mockery to the pursuit of Truth.

Warmest regards, Semira

 

 

 

, " kriptodanny "

<kriptodanny> wrote:

>

> , " kriptodanny "

> <kriptodanny> wrote:

> >

> > , " v_koa "

<v_koa>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kyyan..I feel like you are talking to me since you have used

> > those words...therefore ..I will answer..

> > > I am finding by not looking at all, that for me personally, i

find it

> > > easier to meditate when i am by myself then when i am at a

weekly

> > > meeting or a puja or what have you in a collective atmosphere.

>

> Dear Kyyan...I must add something..You must trust the ,,practice of

> meditation,,..and not look for the results..It's like this..

> .....do not worry about the fruits of your actions...(Upanishads)

> or something like this,I can't recall the exact words(maybe Chuck

will

> help me with that?)

> It works!!!

> There is also a time gap between the meditation persey and the real

> results.About 12 hours,from my experience.So I say to you....never

> worry about the booths,spiders,or inability to ,,meditate,,..This

is

> not the point.The Pure Desire,and the Devotion to Shri Mataji is

the

> point..The Pure Desire as,,to be one with God,,...and devotion to

Shri

> Mataji for She opened your sahasrara..that's it.

>

> Im not

> > > sure why, but lately i find and feel like my attention and my

focus

> > > (both mentally and otherwise) is alot more inside and on my

spirit

> > > and on learning to truly build a relationship with the mother

inside,

> > > then on being a part of a group or learning the external

rituals of

> > > puja and such.

>

> Dear Kyyan...the external rituals are just means of focusing

peoples's

> attention on the Truth.It is very difficult for the logical brain

to

> just ,,jump,, into the absolute ,because of it's nature.

> Every great Divine Incarnation who arrived on this earth knew

> that...so they devised some of them..then after they departed the

> believers devised more ..(lots..like mushrooms!!!) rituals so their

> attention might have a chance to be fixed on the Truth.

>

> We are all babies...they knew what they were doing.THEY KNEW that

the

> logical brain must pass thru some ritual,so the ego can believe

it..see?

>

> However,the rituals persey are useless if one's ,,vibrations,,

depend

> on that.

>

> I talk now about the,,high,, people experience during pujas(for

they

> are connected in Shakti)...then the,,low,, afterwords,because they

> think they,,got it,,..and stop the meditation process.They stop

> meditating in the morning,that's it..and ,,think,,the vibrations

are

> in the rituals,not realizing that was only a,,Shakti

> transfusion,,..for ONE only gets a bust,not a rezolve.One must

> meditate,and one must have the pure desire(for God) to

progress..And

> THAT,it's individual...It IS an individual journey..When you

die..you

> die like a dog..It is between your soul and God(spirit) in the

> end,and nobody else.This is where your pure desire comes

handy..see?

>

>

>

> > .............................

> > Dear Kyyan..the shakti within you is the same shakti within

others

> > fellow yogis in meditation.I have already forced a bunch of

yogis in

> > this forum (using ,,nice,,and,,not nice,,tactics)..to GO TO THE

> > collective.All of them were happy I did it(force them..that's

it)....

> > ..................................

> >

> > Don't get me wrong, i enjoy the pujas and collective

> > > meditation when people work on me and to watch the videos of

Shri

> > > Mataji etc etc, but i find it super difficult for me to

meditate in

> > > that situation. I think it feels to public a place for me to

be doing

> > > something so personal.

>

> Dear Kyyan..

>

> > Kyyan...Listen to me.There is no way you can progress without

> > collective at your stage.What is the role of the collective you

might

> > ask me?.....Yes,the meditation is personal ..but the SHAKTI is

> > not..it's like this...You must GO to THE collective till you are

> > stable...it's like...a blood transfusion?..of Shakti?...

> >

> > ok..I will give you an example ...imagine Shri Mataji was

> > there,attending the meeting you went to..

> >

> > ..and your chakras are messed up?...meaning..you feel heat

instead of

> > cool ?

> >

> > Then...you are worried why not cool breeze ?

> >

> > That was because the Shakti was busy purifying your stuff..ok?

>

> Collective means any other yogis around you..there is deeper

meaning

> to the term,,collective,, but I will not address that now,..

> As example,Jagbir's wife is a sahaja yogi..now..that's a collective

> right there..I was not blessed by such things.All I had was the

pure

> desire.It works.

>

> Key!!..One needs the collective at initial stages..later on,when he

> understands,and his attention is stable..then it's ok.

>

> > I kind of feel for me i begin to trivialize it

> > > and forget who i am actually connecting with and for what

> > > purpose,instead worrying about if people can tell im

struggling with

> > > my attention, or weather or not they know what im thinking or

why

> > > this and that is catching or whatever. Its like i find myself

placing

> > > the purpose of meditating and the mindfulness of what i am

actually

> > > doing( from raising my kundalini to meditation itself) out of

mind,

> > > and my focus ends up on the " practice of meditating " in stead

of

> > > experiencing the experience in a conscious way.

> >

> > The ,,practice,,.this what I have preached all this years..The

> > conscious way will come later..ok???

> >

> > I just feel the most

> > > content when i am by myself meditating, communicating etc in a

> > > private setting.

> >

> > This is not possible..The Shakti is only one..

> >

> > > Does this have anything to do with the fact that outside of

all these

> > > worship rituals which are amazing, in the end it all comes own

to the

> > > one on one relationship with God.

> >

> > It Does..

> >

> > I mean like i read on here: in the

> > > end all that is there is you and God; not family, not freinds,

not

> > > job or boses, not wife or kids, not pujas, or insence or

candles or

> > > caphor, but you (the spirit) and God

> >

> > NO!!..I said your soul and God....not your spirit and

God...yet..all

> > of those are welcome

> >

> >

> > . For me there is omething in

> > > that information that when contemplated upon, really brings me

and

> > > how special " sahaja yoga " (as an experience of a personal

nature) is;

> > > its really a gift.

> > >

> > > Kyyan

> > >

> > Kyyan...you have the pure desire.

> > Sahaja Yoga is the truth.I have studied all the yogas.Sahaja

yoga is

> > the only one.Please understand.....Sahaja yoga is the

answer..YES!!!!

> > Jai Shri Mataji!!

> >

> > ps..email me in person..I will explain you...

> >

> Daniel....

> Jai Shri Mataji!!!

>