Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Dear All, It seems to me that receiving royalties has now become the rule for most creative artistic work in Sahaja Yoga, even at the expense of the Universal Collective Joy which we all have enjoyed due to the timely release of " The Supreme Source of Love " video. i understand the need for royalties to continue good works of Sahaja Yoga, but surely there can be an exception in this case. A Sahaja Yogi once told me that Shri Mataji many many years ago, said to that person that the Sahaja Yoga Organization would in future " tie up everything " and this prophecy has come true, because according to Wolfgang's message the Sahaja Yoga Organization even want money for the " Supreme Source of Love " . Sahaja Yoga Organization having tied everything up, may now legally own all Sahaj materials, however these materials are also morally and spiritually owned by all the Sons and Daughters of the Adi Shakti who have Her in their Hearts. The Sahaja Yoga Organization, unlike the Adi Shakti, do not own the hearts and minds of the Sahaja Yogis. It is my belief that this exquisite Supreme Masterpiece of " Supreme Source of Love " , created by the Italian Sahaja Yogis cannot be surpassed. They have done the utmost supreme justice to any Sahaj Materials used. i would like to thank our wonderful Italian brothers and sister for this heartfelt and loving contribution from the Adi Shakti. The Adi Shakti's obvious pleasure with the making of this video, reveals Itself in the incredibly strong flow of vibrations emiting from " The Supreme Source of Love " . This video has the power to unite the hearts and minds of all Sahaja Yogis. We are not on this Earth at this Time to have our hearts and minds controlled by an external authority. We are here at this Time to dedicate ourselves to the Adi Shakti. There is a very subtle difference, and the Message of the " Supreme Source of Love " shows this Message very clearly. The " Supreme Source of Love " video is exactly the type of Artistic Masterpiece that should be exempt from all royalties, as the vibrations show that this is a Message from the Supreme Source of Love Herself to Her Children. Jai Shri Mataji! Violet -- In , " Violet " <vtubb@b...> wrote: > > Dear Peter, > > This is my best effort of translating from German. If anyone can do better, please do so. > > Violet > > > " Hi Loved Ones, " > > " The Love Supreme Video whose Link you received over the internet, would have been shown in the Auditorium at the Shri Guru Puja in New York. We realize that it was made in Italy and that not only is this an early Film Declaration of the Adi Shakti but that this is also a Declaration of the italian Role and the management Personnel of the last one-and-a-half decades. i believe that the dignified Phase of Sahaja Yoga is being left behind. Italians have done good Work over the decades. They will again do great Work as soon as in their Enjoyment they can again find the Heart's Qualities and between that lies a sorry occurrence. > > Please remain contained and do not distribute that Video on all Computers for the sake of the Royalties that must be thought about. > > > , Peter Kidd > <csiguszi> wrote: > > > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > > > " ...For a time it was good. But humanity's so-called civil > societies soon fell victim to vanity and corruption " Animatrix - > also incl. in Announcement CD > > > > Yes it looks that WC standard not to spread " Supreme Source of > Love " . > > Leader told when I gave it to him: " This was noisy, maybe it is a > bad copy " > > " Officially " we have not seen it, but majority of the collective > has it:) > > > > (Some effects reminds me to the times of communism.) > > > > I heard in Austria many yogis could not have seen it. (Thanks to > Adishakti.org many can download it. > > Pls. can anyone translate the following German message into > English. > > I heard that WC refused to show " Supreme Source of Love " on Guru > puja 2004. > > > > BTW what is the royalty of Love? > > > > Kidd > > > > " Hi Ihr Lieben > > Das " Love Supreme " Video dessen Link Ihr über Virtangana bekommen > habt, wurde beim Shri Guru Pooja in NY dem Auditorium gezeigt. Wir > nehmen zur Kenntnis, dass es in Italien gemacht wurde und natürlich > bemerken wir, dass es nicht nur eine Art verfrühter Nachruf auf die > Adi Shakti ist, sondern auch ein Nachruf auf die italienischen Rolle > und deren handelnden Personen der letzten eineinhalb Jahrzehnte. Ich > glaube dass wir Sahaja Yoga - Phasen in Ehren hinter uns lassen > dürfen. Italien hat über Jahrzehnte eine gute Arbeit getan, es wird > wieder eine super Arbeit tun soblad es im Enjoyment wieder seine > Herzqualitäten finden kann und dazwischen liegt halt ein trübes > Vorkommnis. > > > > Bitte seid so nett und ladet dass Video nicht einfach auf alle > Computer ohne dabei an Royalties zu denken. > > > > Jai Shri Mataji > > > > wolfgang " > > > > > > indiblonde <indiblonde> wrote: > > > > Today we copied the supremso movie in CD in the format to be > played > > in the CD player, so the whole family cud watch it on TV. We made > > one extra copy and I took it to the center today, because I know > not > > everyone knows about the or visits or has access to > it. > > So I wanted to give the CD at the center so they cud circulate it. > > Much against my liking, I had to talk to the leader, and I gave > him > > the Cd saying he cud give it to anyone if they wanted to watch it. > > > > He said we already have a copy. (though he has never announced > > anything abut it, or abut circulating it – and iam sure those who > > don't access the probably don't know anything abut > the > > movie yet) I said ok, if someone wants the Cd they can keep it. > > His reaction? He announced soon afterwards that we use divine > > discretion in spreading sy. (sure, we need discretion when even > > circulating a CD among sy's at center). And he didn't announce > > anything about the movie or the CD again. If I wasn't a member on > > this group and only a follower at the center, I would probably > have > > no clue abut it now, wud I? > > > > My reaction – I forgive. > > > > JSM, Sohniya > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Dear All, The idea that one can pay for the love of God is absurd; and paying royalties for the Truth or for the Word of God is equally repugnant. If money is needed for the upkeep of Sahaja Yoga and other contingencies then let us all pay generously for this purpose so as to obviate the need later to label any transaction as 'royalty.' In this way we can continue to uphold Shri Mataji's promise that Sahaja Yoga is free; Her teachings are free. It is indeed disturbing that the hallowed organizers of Sahaja Yoga, in all their collective wisdom, have taken on the role of business managers and bean counters and have institutionalized the payment and collection of royalties as normal and acceptable facets of Sahaj life. Surely this need not be so; surely there must exist ideas to deal with the trap of the commercialization of the Advent of the Adi Shakti. Is it too much or is it too late for the huddled masses of Sahaja Yogis to look to the World Council for inspiration and some enlightened leadership on this very fundamental issue? Those who have watched the " Supreme Source of Love " video would remember the opening words of Shri Mataji, " The greatest guru that we have is love, Sahaj love,... " It is a quote taken from Shri Mataji's speech at the Guru Puja in Cabella in 1994. In fact the whole show is actually a pictorial rendition of the theme of Shri Mataji's puja address and incidentally, this was the last puja speech given by Shri Mataji to date. Appended below is the transcript of the Guru Puja 1994. Reading this should help enhance one's appreciation and enjoyment of the video presentation. After absorbing Mother's words in conjunction with the video presentation and then looking at Herr Wolfgang's note, one can't help but feel offended by the crassness and vulgarity of his sentiments vis-a-vis the Italians and the issue of royalties. Regards, Chandra Guru Puja, Cabella, 4th July, 2004 It is a great pleasure for me, greatest joy to see so many Sahaja Yogis for the Guru Puja. It's very gratifying to think that there are so many, so many of you who are disciples. It was never expected that I'll have so many, so many people following me. It is being expected that you all will follow my message of love. I do not have to say anything for love. Love is absolute gift, gift of just feeling others. There is no talking about it, discussing about it, nothing. Just you feel that love. To feel the love I will say one has to have a heart, but how can you have a heart. It is not your own doing, it's all there. So it is something is already gifted to you, you have it, that you can feel that love. It's so much joy- giving, peace-giving. Love has its own qualities and one of the quality is that love understands. Its understanding is not in words, not in thought, but understands within. It can feel within, which is very important. This is the most important part one has to realise, that love, you can only feel it. You cannot talk about it, you cannot show about it, but it is within and you can feel it. And that is why today is your celebration of the Guru, is the celebration where you can feel that love for your Guru. That feeling is within. And only within you can feel that. So we have to understand it's not the show, it's no, nothing else but just the feeling within that you know that you have love of the Divine. This you can have because it is just there. No one can give you, no one can sell it, no one can share it, it's just there. And that love has to be felt and shared. It has nothing to do with others. Whether others love you or not makes no difference. It's within yourself this feeling, this depth is there which you enjoy. It is their capacity. Everyone has this, lots of it. Sometimes you feel you've lost it, sometimes you feel you've gained it, but it is there as much as the expanse of the sea. Sea you cannot say, today it's full and tomorrow it's not. It is eternal. In the same way the source of your love is eternal. You cannot measure it, it's difficult. But it's beyond all your human expressions and it shows your understanding, your understanding of love which has no words, which cannot explain, but by itself you will know that I have this quality to love within myself and I can enjoy this love within myself. This is a very unique gift which only very few human beings have. Among animals also you find people who have love, but that love is not deep, that love has no meaning. It has some purpose, maybe, but it is not human. So it lacks the beauty of human love. It lacks the understanding of human love. It is not easy to describe or explain love in human words. This you can only feel within yourself. That is what once you start feeling, you can feel who is your Guru, whom do you think you are being taught and persuaded and made to live in a particular manner. All that is possible. Everything is possible, humanly possible, but to love and to enjoy love is not so easy, unless and until you are immersed in it. It's very gratifying, it is very lovable to see how people love each other and then this love spreads. Love begets love. If somebody has love it just spreads. He need not tell anyone, he need not confess it, but it will spread. And this is what one has to learn, how to see that love in other person. Somehow we are here already in love because of Sahaj happening. We all love and we enjoy love, shows on our faces, that we are love, in our characters, in our lives, that we are in love. What a thing which is not very normal becomes so normal and so easily available. It is a very big blessing that you're human beings and that this source of love is there plus the feeling for love is there. It's a very intricate situation which cannot be explained in words. Only one can be in it and enjoy it. But today is the day when we're celebrating the Guru Puja. The greatest guru that we have is love, Sahaj love, it's the Guru within us which teaches us, which somehow or other leads us. We are led into that great life of understanding for which we don't have to go to any college, to any school for education. It is something so much within that it works and expresses itself, expresses like light. Such people we can make out because they are fully enlightened. They have light and through that light they see the whole world which is very innocent and simple for them. We have love for our children, naturally. We have love for our parents naturally. We have love for some people but that love is different from what love I am telling you. That has some connections, some meanings, but this love which is, cannot be described in words, has to be felt within. Same when you talk of your Guru, you should have that love within you. Why do you feel so much. The reason is Guru loves you and you love Guru. That's the only reason why should you love your Guru. Now there's no reason for that. Because love is love. That is how the Guru becomes very important in life. We have people who love their Guru and are very much in chaste understanding of their love. In this great opportunity of love that we are, we are here to enjoy each other fully from our heart. That there is this ocean within us. We have to just get submerged in that ocean. If we are lost in that ocean then we'll have no problems, no questions. Everything will be our own, and we can manage everything without any argument, without any questioning. That is what is being Sahaj. The Sahaj way, if you have this love, you enjoy. You enjoy yourself and enjoy everybody else because it is Sahaj. Don't have to make any efforts, don't have to try anything, just it is there and it works. The feeling of love has no way of expressing itself. It is just there, it cannot express because it acts without expression. It is just to be felt within yourself. Then you want to do so many things. You want to help everyone, you want to help yourself, you want to do good to others. So much has been done by great leaders of the world because they had that love. They had nothing else but this love which they could not contain within themselves, so they tried to spread it. And they are called now as our Guru, as our masters. Where's that love within which approached people in that unique manner. That's the thing that we cannot possess. You cannot claim. It is there and it works. It works automatically. This is what we have to know that we are that love. That love is within us, we have to have knowledge, we have to have a complete knowledge, that we are pasha. That will solve our problem. Because you can explain everything, all your behaviour, all your failures, everything you can explain when you know that you are endowed with that love. This is what is the Guru, is the love within you which wants to share love with others, which wants to give love to others. This is what it is and joy. I can go on talking on love, but to feel it within yourself is the biggest thing. Like water. If you are thirsty, we can give you water. But we cannot drink. You have to drink water and you have to feel the taste, feel the feeling, what it does, and all that is together, that's not separate. I don't think the subject was too subtle for you people. You all have reached a certain amount of understanding of that love. I hope it grows and you'll grow into it, all of you, and enjoy it. May God bless you. , " Violet " <vtubb@b...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > It seems to me that receiving royalties has now become the rule for most creative artistic work in Sahaja Yoga, even at the expense of the Universal Collective Joy which we all have enjoyed due to the timely release of " The Supreme Source of Love " video. i understand the need for royalties to continue good works of Sahaja Yoga, but surely there can be an exception in this case. > > A Sahaja Yogi once told me that Shri Mataji many many years ago, said to that person that the Sahaja Yoga Organization would in future " tie up everything " and this prophecy has come true, because according to Wolfgang's message the Sahaja Yoga Organization even want money for the " Supreme Source of Love " . > > Sahaja Yoga Organization having tied everything up, may now legally own all Sahaj materials, however these materials are also morally and spiritually owned by all the Sons and Daughters of the Adi Shakti who have Her in their Hearts. The Sahaja Yoga Organization, unlike the Adi Shakti, do not own the hearts and minds of the Sahaja Yogis. > > It is my belief that this exquisite Supreme Masterpiece of " Supreme Source of Love " , created by the Italian Sahaja Yogis cannot be surpassed. They have done the utmost supreme justice to any Sahaj Materials used. i would like to thank our wonderful Italian brothers and sister for this heartfelt and loving contribution from the Adi Shakti. The Adi Shakti's obvious pleasure with the making of this video, reveals Itself in the incredibly strong flow of vibrations emiting from " The Supreme Source of Love " . > > This video has the power to unite the hearts and minds of all Sahaja Yogis. We are not on this Earth at this Time to have our hearts and minds controlled by an external authority. We are here at this Time to dedicate ourselves to the Adi Shakti. There is a very subtle difference, and the Message of the " Supreme Source of Love " shows this Message very clearly. > > The " Supreme Source of Love " video is exactly the type of Artistic Masterpiece that should be exempt from all royalties, as the vibrations show that this is a Message from the Supreme Source of Love Herself to Her Children. > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > Violet > > -- In , " Violet " <vtubb@b...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Peter, > > > > This is my best effort of translating from German. If anyone can > do better, please do so. > > > > Violet > > > > > > " Hi Loved Ones, " > > > > " The Love Supreme Video whose Link you received over the internet, > would have been shown in the Auditorium at the Shri Guru Puja in New > York. We realize that it was made in Italy and that not only is this > an early Film Declaration of the Adi Shakti but that this is also a > Declaration of the italian Role and the management Personnel of the > last one-and-a-half decades. i believe that the dignified Phase of > Sahaja Yoga is being left behind. Italians have done good Work over > the decades. They will again do great Work as soon as in their > Enjoyment they can again find the Heart's Qualities and between that > lies a sorry occurrence. > > > > Please remain contained and do not distribute that Video on all > Computers for the sake of the Royalties that must be thought about. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 JSM! I just imagine that some church or organization would start to ask royalties for the Bible, Geeta or any scripture.... It sounds funy. I feel in my hear that all teachings of the Adi Shakti should be shared with all human beings as highest treasury of the world and no secret or nothing to hide should be there. This is my desire as it is with "Suprem Source of Love". The proper way of availability of all puja speeches, tapes, videos for everyone equally should be maintaned. My feeling is that the leela around the official/orginazing/controling line for us to show all the mistake to learn from not to commit again. And these are the results of the projection of the mind and desire of many of us - not only leaders creating it - but they are embodiment of this projection and who follows it. If we desire this treasury be shared with all human beingis with love compassion and forgiveness - not to react - than our desire will be fulfiled and these things will disappear. It is a good feeling that i could express my desire here. Jai Shri Mataji! peter ps.: Just a question arised in me: What makes people take to controlling business? Is it fear that "evil, attacking people" from outside can distroy or abuse the work and heritage of the Adi Shakti? My heart says nothing can do that. my2pai <my2pai wrote: Dear All,The idea that one can pay for the love of God is absurd; and paying royalties for the Truth or for the Word of God is equally repugnant. If money is needed for the upkeep of Sahaja Yoga and other contingencies then let us all pay generously for this purpose so as to obviate the need later to label any transaction as 'royalty.' In this way we can continue to uphold Shri Mataji's promise that Sahaja Yoga is free; Her teachings are free. Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 , " my2pai " <my2pai> wrote: " Surely this need not be so; surely there must exist ideas to deal with the trap of the commercialization of the Advent of the Adi Shakti. Is it too much or is it too late for the huddled masses of Sahaja Yogis to look to the World Council for inspiration and some enlightened leadership on this very fundamental issue? " Dear Chandra, i am sure a lot of yogis probably feel like this, but all these things have already been decided as to the way they are going to be. It would be nice if everyone talked about all these things, but they don't seem to from what i have seen. i have seen and heard of so many disappointments from yogis over the years as to the way that these issues have been handled, yet no yogi i know ever seemed to have a say in it. Maybe, there were " backroom boys " who made all the decisions for the collective without really seriously consulting the collective first. It seems that way, anyway. (i would just like to say here that i am sad because i asked for my 'standing' in the local collective in order to get 'closure' for myself and yesterday i was told that my local collective family of Sahaja Yogis do not want me to go the local collective anymore because of what i write on these forums. It is a sad situation. However, in my mind and heart they are still my family even though they are rejecting me. Because they are still in my mind and my heart, i will still talk as if i am in the collective, because in my mind and heart, i am. Maybe the thing they still do not understand is that " you can take the girl out of the collective, but you can't take the collective out of the girl. " This is because i am in collective consciousness and in collective consciousness we are together in Spirit, even though we may not be able to be together in the physical presence.) i was also told yesterday that this forum is not " mainstream Sahaja Yoga " . I have since pondered about what that means. i wonder what Shri Mataji would have said about that. I believe Her Answer would be to laugh and say that there is only One Main Stream. This " MainStream Sahaja Yoga " term sounds like exactly what Shri Mataji warned against, and that is not to " get stuck into things " . i mean to say, if a person really understands Sahaja Yoga, it is an " internal " thing, not an " external " thing. From Shri Mataji's Speech in 1987, it is clear that most yogis just did not really understand what Sahaja Yoga really is. It really is all about `Sahaj Love' and in " Sahaj Love' sincerely spiritual people's opinions and advice are regarded. The Truth of the matter is, there really is only one Main Stream in Sahaja Yoga. Either, you have surrendered to that Main Stream or you have not. Either you have surrendered to the Adi Shakti or you have not. We cannot get `stuck into' things as Shri Mataji has said. If we get `stuck into' things, we remain where we are and don't spiritually evolve. Sahaja Yoga really is very simple, as Shri Mataji has said in Her 1987 speech, but unfortunately, the 'organizers' have made it into something very difficult. Jai Shri Mataji! Violet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Dear Violet, I am so sorry for all this to come to such. It is all very senseless to me. I want you to know you have been so kind and wonderful to me and I truly thank you for all you have done and for being your own master. Never forget that Violet. Do people not understand? I just do not get it! Are people like robots where people are told what to do and how to behave. I could go to any church, synagog, or mass and get that kind of teaching. All the great realized souls did not teach that way. Shri Mataji told me it must come from within and to be my own master. I then sought to learn, ask questions, understand. My first teachers of Sahaja Yoga were Jagbir's children. Just reading of their experiences really touched my spirit and understand that it all comes from within. Again, If anyone has not read the new age childrens stories, please do so. I then read the Aquarium Gospel of Jesus the Christ. It does not say anything in there that is contradictory to what Violet was teaching me through private e-mails. Everything goes together and fits like a puzzle. The Gita also says the same thing when Arjuna is asking questions of God and again, he is told to seek within himself. Shri Mataji says the Kingdom of God comes from within. But it takes complete dedication and meditation. Love, Chuck , " Violet " <vtubb@b...> wrote: > > , " my2pai " <my2pai> > wrote: > > " Surely this need not be so; surely there must exist ideas to deal with the trap of the commercialization of the Advent of the Adi Shakti. Is it too much or is it too late for the huddled masses of Sahaja Yogis to look to the World Council for inspiration and some enlightened leadership on this very fundamental issue? " > > Dear Chandra, > > i am sure a lot of yogis probably feel like this, but all these things have already been decided as to the way they are going to be. It would be nice if everyone talked about all these things, but they don't seem to from what i have seen. i have seen and heard of so many disappointments from yogis over the years as to the way that these issues have been handled, yet no yogi i know ever seemed to have a say in it. Maybe, there were " backroom boys " who made all the decisions for the collective without really seriously consulting the collective first. It seems that way, anyway. > > (i would just like to say here that i am sad because i asked for my 'standing' in the local collective in order to get 'closure' for myself and yesterday i was told that my local collective family of Sahaja Yogis do not want me to go the local collective anymore because of what i write on these forums. It is a sad situation. However, in my mind and heart they are still my family even though they are rejecting me. Because they are still in my mind and my heart, i will still talk as if i am in the collective, because in my mind and heart, i am. Maybe the thing they still do not understand is that " you can take the girl out of the collective, but you can't take the collective out of the girl. " This is because i am in collective consciousness and in collective consciousness we are together in Spirit, even though we may not be able to be together in the physical presence.) > > i was also told yesterday that this forum is not " mainstream Sahaja Yoga " . I have since pondered about what that means. i wonder what Shri Mataji would have said about that. I believe Her Answer would be to laugh and say that there is only One Main Stream. This " MainStream Sahaja Yoga " term sounds like exactly what Shri Mataji warned against, and that is not to " get stuck into things " . i mean to say, if a person really understands Sahaja Yoga, it is an " internal " thing, not an " external " thing. > > From Shri Mataji's Speech in 1987, it is clear that most yogis just did not really understand what Sahaja Yoga really is. It really is all about `Sahaj Love' and in " Sahaj Love' sincerely spiritual people's opinions and advice are regarded. > > The Truth of the matter is, there really is only one Main Stream in Sahaja Yoga. Either, you have surrendered to that Main Stream or you have not. Either you have surrendered to the Adi Shakti or you have not. We cannot get `stuck into' things as Shri Mataji has said. If we get `stuck into' things, we remain where we are and don't spiritually evolve. Sahaja Yoga really is very simple, as Shri Mataji has said in Her 1987 speech, but unfortunately, the 'organizers' have made it into something very difficult. > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > Violet > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Dear Violet, i believe you have become your own guru, capable of withstanding difficult situations after making your own decisions. It is a price to be paid if your conscience cannot compromise with the agenda of those organizing the truth. Always remember that you are never alone as we continue to forge Collective Consciousness. As Rod Steward said in Young Turks, " time is on your side " . Jai Shri Mataji, jagbir , " Violet " <vtubb@b...> wrote: > > (i would just like to say here that i am sad because i asked for > my 'standing' in the local collective in order to get 'closure' > for myself and yesterday i was told that my local collective > family of Sahaja Yogis do not want me to go the local collective > anymore because of what i write on these forums. It is a sad > situation. " I get reports from others, who say: " Your Sahaja Yogis are wicked people, because they say to people: `You are evil.' `You are possessed.' `You are this, you are that.' – They are very wicked people. " > However, in my mind and heart they are still my family even though > they are rejecting me. This flexible response comes from growth within you. So we'll have to have our growth. And for our growth, let us be silent within. Let us not react to others: " This person is this, that person is that. " What about yourself? " > > i was also told yesterday that this forum is not " mainstream > Sahaja Yoga " . I have since pondered about what that means. i > wonder what Shri Mataji would have said about that. I believe Her > Answer would be to laugh and say that there is only One Main > Stream. This " MainStream Sahaja Yoga " term sounds like exactly > what Shri Mataji warned against, and that is not to " get stuck > into things " . i mean to say, if a person really understands Sahaja > Yoga, it is an " internal " thing, not an " external " thing. > So, this kind of understanding (and discrimination) should be there. Though I have always said: " If I say one thing, you tend to cling on to it (exclusively), so I always say the other side of it too. " So don't " stick on " to anything. Sahaja Yoga is not for " sticking on " to something. For example, somebody who had learnt certain lessons about Sahaja Yoga at the beginning, say certain mantras that they had learnt, and still today they are sticking on to the same stage. No, no, no, no! You have to go ahead. (Sahaja Yoga is a process of growth), just a staircase (a series of steps for going up ever higher). So, don't get stuck at a particular point. We have had so many such cases here. People get really `out-worn', as they say, (like a coat you should have discarded ages ago). They'll go on telling you so many nonsensical ideas that they learnt at the beginning: " You see, you do like this, then this happens, etc. " Sahaja Yogis must grow within. There should no longer be anyone regarded as `immature' Sahaja Yogis. I would say a `mature Sahaja Yogi' is one who can combine many, many different things together, (who is flexible and discriminating), but with all the beautiful, fine dividing lines, (the `maryadas',) maintained. (You must be 'diplomatic, with an adaptable and varied response according to the situation). > From Shri Mataji's Speech in 1987, it is clear that most yogis > just did not really understand what Sahaja Yoga really is. It > really is all about `Sahaj Love' and in " Sahaj Love' sincerely > spiritual people's opinions and advice are regarded. > > The Truth of the matter is, there really is only one Main Stream > in Sahaja Yoga. Either, you have surrendered to that Main Stream > or you have not. Either you have surrendered to the Adi Shakti or > you have not. We cannot get `stuck into' things as Shri Mataji has > said. If we get `stuck into' things, we remain where we are and > don't spiritually evolve. Sahaja Yoga really is very simple, as > Shri Mataji has said in Her 1987 speech, but unfortunately, > the 'organizers' have made it into something very difficult. > > Especially the very old Sahaja Yogis think they are authorities on spontaneity. Like we had some land in Vaitharna. So one of the older ones went there and he said, " This land is vibrating, and this land is not vibrating. " So everybody accepted that: " Alright, alright, alright. " Then he said: " In this part of the land nobody should eat their food. " From where does this knowledge come? I mean, eating food is not a sin, is it? As if it would be a sin, if you were eating food there! But religiously they'll follow: " A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H .... down to ....Z. " Then, again: " A, B, C.... " `Sahaja' Yoga has gone to such an extent, that I start thinking: " Now they have become another group of fanatic Sahaja Yogis.... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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