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Dear All,

 

I am sorry I reacted the way I did this morning. I should not have

gotton angry. It just hurts me to see other people treating others

the way the collective have treated Violet and I may add also the

others who have been mistreated on this web site. I just want to

thank everyone for sharing their experiences. This is the way we

learn from each other. Danny, I am so sorry to hear of your bad

experience you also had here in the United States.

 

Jagbir, how may I help with Peter's request to translate the Supreme

Source Of Love into english dialogue. I will do anything I can to

help.

 

Thank You Everyone from the bottom of my heart

 

Love,

 

Chuck

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, " bibbycine "

<bibbycine> wrote:

>

> , " semirafields "

> <semirafields> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Danny,

> > There are some things I'd like to say about your reply to Kyyan.

> > You have mentioned that it is necessary to go to the collective

> > regularly for progress.

>

> I have not met one yogi in my life who could meditate alone.,,Please

> give me his name,so I can worship him....

>

>

 

It is 100% possible to meditate alone without ever meeting a SY. i

totally agree with Chandra for what he has said:

 

" Collectivity does not mean being stuck together physically with

glue, as Shri Mataji says in the except as appended below. Sahaja

Yogis tend to have the misconception that collectivity has to be

physical for it to be real. No, what it means is that wherever we

may be, we are in connection, through the Sahasrara; that is the

real meaning of collectivity. "

 

SYs label any SY who does not attend the collective as a non-SY. This

is done by twisting Shri Mataji's words and used as a means to put

down those who have problems with leaders/SYs. Take for example the

case of Violet. The local collective have judged and informed that she

is not welcome anymore. In their eyes, since she is now not able to

meditate collectively, is not a SY any longer. There is a twisted

logic that makes them think Shri Mataji said so. It is so easy to make

the collective feel good and the victim guilty. So don't be surprised

to hear some Aussis SYs claim that the Paramchaitanya is acting in

tandem with their desires.

 

But nothing is further from the truth, whether their claim that anyone

not meditating collectively is a non-SY or that no SY can meditate

alone. To understand this better let us regard every city, town,

district and village as an individual entity. For example, Montreal,

Jaitu Mandi and Kuala Kubu will be three out of tens of millions of

human habitations. Since there are no SY in the vast majority of these

locations it will be impossible to spread Sahaja Yoga to at least 99%

of the land mass. This is because SYs themselves claim that no SY can

meditate alone and advance, and any SY that does not attend a

collective can never be a SY. This is the lie that has been fed to all

collectives over the years by SYs themselves, especially the older

SYs. Now it has become part and parcel of 'mainstream' Sahaja Yoga.

 

But questions and reasoning that debunk such misconceptions are not

allowed or discussed at the collectives. If ignorance is indeed bliss

what is the need may i ask?

 

regards to all,

 

 

jagbir

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, " bibbycine "

<bibbycine> wrote:

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org> wrote:

> >

> > , " bibbycine "

> > <bibbycine> wrote:

> > >

> > > , " semirafields "

> > > <semirafields> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Danny,

> > > > There are some things I'd like to say about your reply to

Kyyan.

> > > > You have mentioned that it is necessary to go to the

collective

> > > > regularly for progress.

> > >

> > > I have not met one yogi in my life who could meditate

alone.,,Please

> > > give me his name,so I can worship him....

> > >

> > >

>

> Dear Jagbir

> Of course one can progress meditating by himself.I meditated like

> 12 years just by myself in the US.Due to the lack of yogis around.

> But then again,I am trying to put myself in a begginer's shoes.

> All I have said was that,in my humble opinion,it's very unlikely

> for someone to stabileze in sahaja yoga without ever meeting

> another yogi in his life.

 

Danny, you are contradicting yourself. i can even dare say, after

taking the past into consideration, that you are confusing yourself

and making a mess in the process. You are right about not being able

to be stable because you never met any SY. However, this applies

strictly to yourself only and members should not feel they will fall

victim to instability.

 

 

> This is because of the Shakti transfer.

 

What on earth are you talking about? SHAKTI TRANSFER!!!!?????? Are

you by any chance mixed-up with the mutual blood tranfusion that

happened in Translyvania way back in 1802 when some intoxicated

vampires attacked each other after sucking a drunkard dry? It was

front-page news in the Daily Dracula in case you forgot.

 

 

> And the knowledge transfer which the logical brain ,,needs,, in

> order to abandon it's ways and finally decides to just meditate in

> the mornings?

> I know I have this phobia with the morning meditation,but it pains

> me when people tell me,,they are too busy,, to meditate in the

> morning,or stuff like that.Of course.

 

What do you mean by all this Danny? It just makes no sense. You have

a phobia about morning meditation!!!!!???? Don't you think you

should see a doctor who may help you?

 

> The meditation though,the pure form of it..is really simple.One

> stays still,forgives the thoughts/just watches them..feels the

> cool breeze.

> This is the problem,I think..it's too easy.

 

It's too easy!!!!???? .......... and yet it is a problem!!!!????

See what i mean Danny!

 

regards,

 

 

jagbir

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--- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:

 

> ,

> " bibbycine "

> <bibbycine> wrote:

> >

> > ,

> " semirafields "

> > <semirafields> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Danny,

> > > There are some things I'd like to say about your

> reply to Kyyan.

> > > You have mentioned that it is necessary to go to

> the collective

> > > regularly for progress.

> >

> > I have not met one yogi in my life who could

> meditate alone.,,Please

> > give me his name,so I can worship him....

> >

> >

>

> It is 100% possible to meditate alone without ever

> meeting a SY. i

> totally agree with Chandra for what he has said:

>

> " Collectivity does not mean being stuck together

> physically with

> glue, as Shri Mataji says in the except as appended

> below. Sahaja

> Yogis tend to have the misconception that

> collectivity has to be

> physical for it to be real. No, what it means is

> that wherever we

> may be, we are in connection, through the Sahasrara;

> that is the

> real meaning of collectivity. "

>

> SYs label any SY who does not attend the collective

> as a non-SY. This

> is done by twisting Shri Mataji's words and used as

> a means to put

> down those who have problems with leaders/SYs. Take

> for example the

> case of Violet. The local collective have judged and

> informed that she

> is not welcome anymore. In their eyes, since she is

> now not able to

> meditate collectively, is not a SY any longer. There

> is a twisted

> logic that makes them think Shri Mataji said so. It

> is so easy to make

> the collective feel good and the victim guilty. So

> don't be surprised

> to hear some Aussis SYs claim that the

> Paramchaitanya is acting in

> tandem with their desires.

>

> But nothing is further from the truth, whether their

> claim that anyone

> not meditating collectively is a non-SY or that no

> SY can meditate

> alone. To understand this better let us regard every

> city, town,

> district and village as an individual entity. For

> example, Montreal,

> Jaitu Mandi and Kuala Kubu will be three out of tens

> of millions of

> human habitations. Since there are no SY in the vast

> majority of these

> locations it will be impossible to spread Sahaja

> Yoga to at least 99%

> of the land mass. This is because SYs themselves

> claim that no SY can

> meditate alone and advance, and any SY that does not

> attend a

> collective can never be a SY. This is the lie that

> has been fed to all

> collectives over the years by SYs themselves,

> especially the older

> SYs. Now it has become part and parcel of

> 'mainstream' Sahaja Yoga.

>

> But questions and reasoning that debunk such

> misconceptions are not

> allowed or discussed at the collectives. If

> ignorance is indeed bliss

> what is the need may i ask?

>

> regards to all,

>

>

> jagbir

>

>

>

 

 

Hi to all

i just wanted to share with all of you that one can

indeed meditate alone.

i haven't visited the " program " since almost one year

and actually the meditation improved a lot. i am also

glad that i do not have to attend all the nonsensical

rituals that are really condititioning. my impression

is that Sahaja Yoga is going to become organized as

the curch is. it already has the ingredients: leaders,

endless rituals. hopefully i am wrong.

best regards

calin

 

 

 

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