Guest guest Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Dear All, I am sorry I reacted the way I did this morning. I should not have gotton angry. It just hurts me to see other people treating others the way the collective have treated Violet and I may add also the others who have been mistreated on this web site. I just want to thank everyone for sharing their experiences. This is the way we learn from each other. Danny, I am so sorry to hear of your bad experience you also had here in the United States. Jagbir, how may I help with Peter's request to translate the Supreme Source Of Love into english dialogue. I will do anything I can to help. Thank You Everyone from the bottom of my heart Love, Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 , " bibbycine " <bibbycine> wrote: > > , " semirafields " > <semirafields> wrote: > > > > Dear Danny, > > There are some things I'd like to say about your reply to Kyyan. > > You have mentioned that it is necessary to go to the collective > > regularly for progress. > > I have not met one yogi in my life who could meditate alone.,,Please > give me his name,so I can worship him.... > > It is 100% possible to meditate alone without ever meeting a SY. i totally agree with Chandra for what he has said: " Collectivity does not mean being stuck together physically with glue, as Shri Mataji says in the except as appended below. Sahaja Yogis tend to have the misconception that collectivity has to be physical for it to be real. No, what it means is that wherever we may be, we are in connection, through the Sahasrara; that is the real meaning of collectivity. " SYs label any SY who does not attend the collective as a non-SY. This is done by twisting Shri Mataji's words and used as a means to put down those who have problems with leaders/SYs. Take for example the case of Violet. The local collective have judged and informed that she is not welcome anymore. In their eyes, since she is now not able to meditate collectively, is not a SY any longer. There is a twisted logic that makes them think Shri Mataji said so. It is so easy to make the collective feel good and the victim guilty. So don't be surprised to hear some Aussis SYs claim that the Paramchaitanya is acting in tandem with their desires. But nothing is further from the truth, whether their claim that anyone not meditating collectively is a non-SY or that no SY can meditate alone. To understand this better let us regard every city, town, district and village as an individual entity. For example, Montreal, Jaitu Mandi and Kuala Kubu will be three out of tens of millions of human habitations. Since there are no SY in the vast majority of these locations it will be impossible to spread Sahaja Yoga to at least 99% of the land mass. This is because SYs themselves claim that no SY can meditate alone and advance, and any SY that does not attend a collective can never be a SY. This is the lie that has been fed to all collectives over the years by SYs themselves, especially the older SYs. Now it has become part and parcel of 'mainstream' Sahaja Yoga. But questions and reasoning that debunk such misconceptions are not allowed or discussed at the collectives. If ignorance is indeed bliss what is the need may i ask? regards to all, jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 , " bibbycine " <bibbycine> wrote: > > , " jagbir singh " > <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > > , " bibbycine " > > <bibbycine> wrote: > > > > > > , " semirafields " > > > <semirafields> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Danny, > > > > There are some things I'd like to say about your reply to Kyyan. > > > > You have mentioned that it is necessary to go to the collective > > > > regularly for progress. > > > > > > I have not met one yogi in my life who could meditate alone.,,Please > > > give me his name,so I can worship him.... > > > > > > > > Dear Jagbir > Of course one can progress meditating by himself.I meditated like > 12 years just by myself in the US.Due to the lack of yogis around. > But then again,I am trying to put myself in a begginer's shoes. > All I have said was that,in my humble opinion,it's very unlikely > for someone to stabileze in sahaja yoga without ever meeting > another yogi in his life. Danny, you are contradicting yourself. i can even dare say, after taking the past into consideration, that you are confusing yourself and making a mess in the process. You are right about not being able to be stable because you never met any SY. However, this applies strictly to yourself only and members should not feel they will fall victim to instability. > This is because of the Shakti transfer. What on earth are you talking about? SHAKTI TRANSFER!!!!?????? Are you by any chance mixed-up with the mutual blood tranfusion that happened in Translyvania way back in 1802 when some intoxicated vampires attacked each other after sucking a drunkard dry? It was front-page news in the Daily Dracula in case you forgot. > And the knowledge transfer which the logical brain ,,needs,, in > order to abandon it's ways and finally decides to just meditate in > the mornings? > I know I have this phobia with the morning meditation,but it pains > me when people tell me,,they are too busy,, to meditate in the > morning,or stuff like that.Of course. What do you mean by all this Danny? It just makes no sense. You have a phobia about morning meditation!!!!!???? Don't you think you should see a doctor who may help you? > The meditation though,the pure form of it..is really simple.One > stays still,forgives the thoughts/just watches them..feels the > cool breeze. > This is the problem,I think..it's too easy. It's too easy!!!!???? .......... and yet it is a problem!!!!???? See what i mean Danny! regards, jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: > , > " bibbycine " > <bibbycine> wrote: > > > > , > " semirafields " > > <semirafields> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Danny, > > > There are some things I'd like to say about your > reply to Kyyan. > > > You have mentioned that it is necessary to go to > the collective > > > regularly for progress. > > > > I have not met one yogi in my life who could > meditate alone.,,Please > > give me his name,so I can worship him.... > > > > > > It is 100% possible to meditate alone without ever > meeting a SY. i > totally agree with Chandra for what he has said: > > " Collectivity does not mean being stuck together > physically with > glue, as Shri Mataji says in the except as appended > below. Sahaja > Yogis tend to have the misconception that > collectivity has to be > physical for it to be real. No, what it means is > that wherever we > may be, we are in connection, through the Sahasrara; > that is the > real meaning of collectivity. " > > SYs label any SY who does not attend the collective > as a non-SY. This > is done by twisting Shri Mataji's words and used as > a means to put > down those who have problems with leaders/SYs. Take > for example the > case of Violet. The local collective have judged and > informed that she > is not welcome anymore. In their eyes, since she is > now not able to > meditate collectively, is not a SY any longer. There > is a twisted > logic that makes them think Shri Mataji said so. It > is so easy to make > the collective feel good and the victim guilty. So > don't be surprised > to hear some Aussis SYs claim that the > Paramchaitanya is acting in > tandem with their desires. > > But nothing is further from the truth, whether their > claim that anyone > not meditating collectively is a non-SY or that no > SY can meditate > alone. To understand this better let us regard every > city, town, > district and village as an individual entity. For > example, Montreal, > Jaitu Mandi and Kuala Kubu will be three out of tens > of millions of > human habitations. Since there are no SY in the vast > majority of these > locations it will be impossible to spread Sahaja > Yoga to at least 99% > of the land mass. This is because SYs themselves > claim that no SY can > meditate alone and advance, and any SY that does not > attend a > collective can never be a SY. This is the lie that > has been fed to all > collectives over the years by SYs themselves, > especially the older > SYs. Now it has become part and parcel of > 'mainstream' Sahaja Yoga. > > But questions and reasoning that debunk such > misconceptions are not > allowed or discussed at the collectives. If > ignorance is indeed bliss > what is the need may i ask? > > regards to all, > > > jagbir > > > Hi to all i just wanted to share with all of you that one can indeed meditate alone. i haven't visited the " program " since almost one year and actually the meditation improved a lot. i am also glad that i do not have to attend all the nonsensical rituals that are really condititioning. my impression is that Sahaja Yoga is going to become organized as the curch is. it already has the ingredients: leaders, endless rituals. hopefully i am wrong. best regards calin visit my web-page : http://www.geocities.com/calinez _________ WIN ONE OF THREE ! VESPAS - Enter now! - http://uk.cars./features/competitions/vespa.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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