Collectivity doesn't mean that we all should be stuck together

[Guest guest]

Dear Violet,

 

Collectivity does not mean being stuck together physically with

glue, as Shri Mataji says in the except as appended below. Sahaja

Yogis tend to have the misconception that collectivity has to be

physical for it to be real. No, what it means is that wherever we

may be, we are in connection, through the Sahasrara; that is the

real meaning of collectivity.

 

As Shri Mataji says, " So you may be in America, you may be in India,

you may be anywhere; you are just connected. And you are concerned.

As soon as there is a problem somewhere, into any part, any part of

the world, you are connected and you are effective, you've managed. "

This is what happened today when I read about your problem with your

local group. I was immediately concerned for you. And in this state

I remembered what Mother had said about the correct definition of

collectivity. It is as if Mother Herself is telling you, take heart,

forgive these ignorant people, enjoy the company of your brothers

and sisters in near or far off places, through your Spirit.

 

Chandra

 

 

" ...What were you asking there, nothing but the enjoyment of

collectivity. Collectivity doesn't mean that we all should be stuck

together with some glue or something; or we all become like

Gibraltar, Rock of Gibraltar. No, it doesn't mean that. It means

wherever you are, you are connected; that is collectivity. But

connected doesn't mean that you hate that person, no. You're

connected means you love that person; you're concerned about that

person. The connection, the connecting line is of love and not of

hatred. So when you are connected with another person or persons

then you are in collectivity. But people will live together and

everyday break each others heads. Some of them really give me

headaches, I tell you; because they are no where near the real

growth of Sahaja Yoga. So you may be in America, you may be in

India, you may be anywhere; you are just connected. And you are

concerned. As soon as there is a problem somewhere, into any part,

any part of the world, you are connected and you are effective,

you've managed. But if you are not connected and if you are just

glued together, very inconvenient under such circumstances. I think

people don't even understand the meaning of collectivity, where

there's not the other, ananya, where there's not the other; there's

no other personality. These personalities are separated from you

because of left and right, or could be both. But you are yourself

fully when you're absolutely detached and your Kundalini is dancing;

you're alone and never alone. This oneness with the whole gives you

all the security that you want, all the joy that you want. And

that's why Kundalini awakening means collectivity. Unless and until

you want pure collectivity in your being, Kundalini won't rise. "

 

Kundalini Puja, Germany, 11/8/91

 

 

 

, " Violet " <vtubb@b...>

wrote:

>

>

> (i would just like to say here that i am sad because i asked for

my 'standing' in the local collective in order to get 'closure' for

myself and yesterday i was told that my local collective family of

Sahaja Yogis do not want me to go the local collective anymore

because of what i write on these forums. It is a sad situation.

However, in my mind and heart they are still my family even though

they are rejecting me. Because they are still in my mind and my

heart, i will still talk as if i am in the collective, because in my

mind and heart, i am. Maybe the thing they still do not understand

is that " you can take the girl out of the collective, but you can't

take the collective out of the girl. " This is because i am in

collective consciousness and in collective consciousness we are

together in Spirit, even though we may not be able to be together in

the physical presence.)

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandra,

 

Thank you for those reassuring Words of Shri Mataji where She states that....

" So you may be in America, you may be in India, you may be anywhere; you are

just connected " ..... ('through the Sahasrara' as you rightly said it, Chandra).

 

Going to a Local Collective does not mean that a person is by that fact truly

" connected " to others. It depends upon whether they have the Supreme Source of

Love Within, which is what connects one Spirit to another Spirit. As Shri Mataji

has clarified, " Collectivity does not mean being stuck together physically with

glue. "

 

Warm regards,

Violet

 

- In , " my2pai " <my2pai>

wrote:

>

> Dear Violet,

>

> Collectivity does not mean being stuck together physically with

> glue, as Shri Mataji says in the except as appended below. Sahaja

> Yogis tend to have the misconception that collectivity has to be

> physical for it to be real. No, what it means is that wherever we

> may be, we are in connection, through the Sahasrara; that is the

> real meaning of collectivity.

>

> As Shri Mataji says, " So you may be in America, you may be in

India,

> you may be anywhere; you are just connected. And you are

concerned.

> As soon as there is a problem somewhere, into any part, any part

of

> the world, you are connected and you are effective, you've

managed. "

> This is what happened today when I read about your problem with

your

> local group. I was immediately concerned for you. And in this

state

> I remembered what Mother had said about the correct definition of

> collectivity. It is as if Mother Herself is telling you, take

heart,

> forgive these ignorant people, enjoy the company of your brothers

> and sisters in near or far off places, through your Spirit.

>

> Chandra

>

>

> " ...What were you asking there, nothing but the enjoyment of

> collectivity. Collectivity doesn't mean that we all should be

stuck

> together with some glue or something; or we all become like

> Gibraltar, Rock of Gibraltar. No, it doesn't mean that. It means

> wherever you are, you are connected; that is collectivity. But

> connected doesn't mean that you hate that person, no. You're

> connected means you love that person; you're concerned about that

> person. The connection, the connecting line is of love and not of

> hatred. So when you are connected with another person or persons

> then you are in collectivity. But people will live together and

> everyday break each others heads. Some of them really give me

> headaches, I tell you; because they are no where near the real

> growth of Sahaja Yoga. So you may be in America, you may be in

> India, you may be anywhere; you are just connected. And you are

> concerned. As soon as there is a problem somewhere, into any part,

> any part of the world, you are connected and you are effective,

> you've managed. But if you are not connected and if you are just

> glued together, very inconvenient under such circumstances. I

think

> people don't even understand the meaning of collectivity, where

> there's not the other, ananya, where there's not the other;

there's

> no other personality. These personalities are separated from you

> because of left and right, or could be both. But you are yourself

> fully when you're absolutely detached and your Kundalini is

dancing;

> you're alone and never alone. This oneness with the whole gives

you

> all the security that you want, all the joy that you want. And

> that's why Kundalini awakening means collectivity. Unless and

until

> you want pure collectivity in your being, Kundalini won't rise. "

>

> Kundalini Puja, Germany, 11/8/91

>

>

>

> , " Violet "

<vtubb@b...>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > (i would just like to say here that i am sad because i asked for

> my 'standing' in the local collective in order to get 'closure'

for

> myself and yesterday i was told that my local collective family of

> Sahaja Yogis do not want me to go the local collective anymore

> because of what i write on these forums. It is a sad situation.

> However, in my mind and heart they are still my family even though

> they are rejecting me. Because they are still in my mind and my

> heart, i will still talk as if i am in the collective, because in

my

> mind and heart, i am. Maybe the thing they still do not understand

> is that " you can take the girl out of the collective, but you

can't

> take the collective out of the girl. " This is because i am in

> collective consciousness and in collective consciousness we are

> together in Spirit, even though we may not be able to be together

in

> the physical presence.)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We are not here to judge each other and who is MORE in the Sahasrara etc, it

is up to us to LOVE and that is it..... NO judging please, just love, and

all will follow. We are at different levels, and we must meet people where

they are. Sometimes, they give us headaches, yes, but yet, a most large love

is to be able to love those that give you a HEADACHE, as you can learn

patience and deeper agape LOVE from getting the headache. It is so easy to

love people who we THINK have it TOGETHER, and have achieved what we think

they should have achieved, are we so wonderful?

Love brothers sisters, love,m ake Mother proud to call you children. '

Together you stand divided you fall "

Set a good example in all you do and say, watch your words even when you are

having a 'headache 'day. Me too, I am no different we all need to learn

this, if you slip, apoligize, ask forgiveness, forgive self, ( hardest

sometimes) and try again.

 

> " Violet " <vtubb

>

>

> Re: Collectivity doesn't mean that we all

>should be stuck together

>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:33:59 -0000

>

>Dear Chandra,

>

>Thank you for those reassuring Words of Shri Mataji where She states

>that.... " So you may be in America, you may be in India, you may be

>anywhere; you are just connected " ..... ('through the Sahasrara' as you

>rightly said it, Chandra).

>

>Going to a Local Collective does not mean that a person is by that fact

>truly " connected " to others. It depends upon whether they have the Supreme

>Source of Love Within, which is what connects one Spirit to another Spirit.

>As Shri Mataji has clarified, " Collectivity does not mean being stuck

>together physically with glue. "

>

>Warm regards,

>Violet

>

>- In , " my2pai " <my2pai>

>wrote:

> >

> > Dear Violet,

> >

> > Collectivity does not mean being stuck together physically with

> > glue, as Shri Mataji says in the except as appended below. Sahaja

> > Yogis tend to have the misconception that collectivity has to be

> > physical for it to be real. No, what it means is that wherever we

> > may be, we are in connection, through the Sahasrara; that is the

> > real meaning of collectivity.

> >

> > As Shri Mataji says, " So you may be in America, you may be in

>India,

> > you may be anywhere; you are just connected. And you are

>concerned.

> > As soon as there is a problem somewhere, into any part, any part

>of

> > the world, you are connected and you are effective, you've

>managed. "

> > This is what happened today when I read about your problem with

>your

> > local group. I was immediately concerned for you. And in this

>state

> > I remembered what Mother had said about the correct definition of

> > collectivity. It is as if Mother Herself is telling you, take

>heart,

> > forgive these ignorant people, enjoy the company of your brothers

> > and sisters in near or far off places, through your Spirit.

> >

> > Chandra

> >

> >

> > " ...What were you asking there, nothing but the enjoyment of

> > collectivity. Collectivity doesn't mean that we all should be

>stuck

> > together with some glue or something; or we all become like

> > Gibraltar, Rock of Gibraltar. No, it doesn't mean that. It means

> > wherever you are, you are connected; that is collectivity. But

> > connected doesn't mean that you hate that person, no. You're

> > connected means you love that person; you're concerned about that

> > person. The connection, the connecting line is of love and not of

> > hatred. So when you are connected with another person or persons

> > then you are in collectivity. But people will live together and

> > everyday break each others heads. Some of them really give me

> > headaches, I tell you; because they are no where near the real

> > growth of Sahaja Yoga. So you may be in America, you may be in

> > India, you may be anywhere; you are just connected. And you are

> > concerned. As soon as there is a problem somewhere, into any part,

> > any part of the world, you are connected and you are effective,

> > you've managed. But if you are not connected and if you are just

> > glued together, very inconvenient under such circumstances. I

>think

> > people don't even understand the meaning of collectivity, where

> > there's not the other, ananya, where there's not the other;

>there's

> > no other personality. These personalities are separated from you

> > because of left and right, or could be both. But you are yourself

> > fully when you're absolutely detached and your Kundalini is

>dancing;

> > you're alone and never alone. This oneness with the whole gives

>you

> > all the security that you want, all the joy that you want. And

> > that's why Kundalini awakening means collectivity. Unless and

>until

> > you want pure collectivity in your being, Kundalini won't rise. "

> >

> > Kundalini Puja, Germany, 11/8/91

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Violet "

><vtubb@b...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > (i would just like to say here that i am sad because i asked for

> > my 'standing' in the local collective in order to get 'closure'

>for

> > myself and yesterday i was told that my local collective family of

> > Sahaja Yogis do not want me to go the local collective anymore

> > because of what i write on these forums. It is a sad situation.

> > However, in my mind and heart they are still my family even though

> > they are rejecting me. Because they are still in my mind and my

> > heart, i will still talk as if i am in the collective, because in

>my

> > mind and heart, i am. Maybe the thing they still do not understand

> > is that " you can take the girl out of the collective, but you

>can't

> > take the collective out of the girl. " This is because i am in

> > collective consciousness and in collective consciousness we are

> > together in Spirit, even though we may not be able to be together

>in

> > the physical presence.)

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Danny Weaver,

 

Out of curiosity is there any relation between you and Danny? i

would appreciate if you just explain this coincidence.

 

jagbir

 

adishati_sahaja_yoga , " danny weaver "

<cdweaver32@h...> wrote:

>

> We are not here to judge each other and who is MORE in the

Sahasrara etc, it

> is up to us to LOVE and that is it..... NO judging please, just

love, and all will follow. We are at different levels, and we must

meet people where they are. Sometimes, they give us headaches, yes,

but yet, a most large love is to be able to love those that give you

a HEADACHE, as you can learn patience and deeper agape LOVE from

getting the headache. It is so easy to love people who we THINK have

it TOGETHER, and have achieved what we think they should have

achieved, are we so wonderful? Love brothers sisters, love,m ake

Mother proud to call you children. Together you stand divided you

fall " Set a good example in all you do and say, watch your words

even when you are having a 'headache 'day. Me too, I am no different

we all need to learn this, if you slip, apoligize, ask forgiveness,

forgive self, ( hardest sometimes) and try again.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagdir,

 

Do not know what you mean? Danny of Canajoharie, this is, but writing is his

wife, Carol.

 

Good to hear from you Jagdir.

 

Carol

 

 

> " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org

>

>

> Re: Collectivity doesn't mean that we all

>should be stuck together

>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:14:52 -0000

>

>

>

>Hi Danny Weaver,

>

>Out of curiosity is there any relation between you and Danny? i

>would appreciate if you just explain this coincidence.

>

>jagbir

>

>adishati_sahaja_yoga , " danny weaver "

><cdweaver32@h...> wrote:

> >

> > We are not here to judge each other and who is MORE in the

>Sahasrara etc, it

> > is up to us to LOVE and that is it..... NO judging please, just

>love, and all will follow. We are at different levels, and we must

>meet people where they are. Sometimes, they give us headaches, yes,

>but yet, a most large love is to be able to love those that give you

>a HEADACHE, as you can learn patience and deeper agape LOVE from

>getting the headache. It is so easy to love people who we THINK have

>it TOGETHER, and have achieved what we think they should have

>achieved, are we so wonderful? Love brothers sisters, love,m ake

>Mother proud to call you children. Together you stand divided you

>fall " Set a good example in all you do and say, watch your words

>even when you are having a 'headache 'day. Me too, I am no different

>we all need to learn this, if you slip, apoligize, ask forgiveness,

>forgive self, ( hardest sometimes) and try again.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Guess we did not understand problem here when I wrote, sorry, and we are not

in Sahaja Yoga anymore, so should have been quiet, but we do know that LOVE

is strongest of All. We need more love in the world. all would go so nicely

that way. We thought that is was someone misinformed, but no actually think

it is someone wanting a revenge to your group. We may not be IN the group

now but certainly would never mean harm to anyone, as we love all. You were

all nice to us, while we were in group, we just do not see Shri Mataji as

GOD, that is all. If we are wrong, then God is our Judge ( or as you feel,

Shri mataji) But we all do best we can, as we see.

 

 

> " danny weaver " <cdweaver32

>

>

>RE: Re: Collectivity doesn't mean that we

>all should be stuck together

>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:06:23 +0000

>

>Dear Jagdir,

>

>Do not know what you mean? Danny of Canajoharie, this is, but writing is

>his

>wife, Carol.

>

>Good to hear from you Jagdir.

>

>Carol

>

>

> > " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org

> >

> >

> > Re: Collectivity doesn't mean that we

>all

> >should be stuck together

> >Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:14:52 -0000

> >

> >

> >

> >Hi Danny Weaver,

> >

> >Out of curiosity is there any relation between you and Danny? i

> >would appreciate if you just explain this coincidence.

> >

> >jagbir

> >

> >adishati_sahaja_yoga , " danny weaver "

> ><cdweaver32@h...> wrote:

> > >

> > > We are not here to judge each other and who is MORE in the

> >Sahasrara etc, it

> > > is up to us to LOVE and that is it..... NO judging please, just

> >love, and all will follow. We are at different levels, and we must

> >meet people where they are. Sometimes, they give us headaches, yes,

> >but yet, a most large love is to be able to love those that give you

> >a HEADACHE, as you can learn patience and deeper agape LOVE from

> >getting the headache. It is so easy to love people who we THINK have

> >it TOGETHER, and have achieved what we think they should have

> >achieved, are we so wonderful? Love brothers sisters, love,m ake

> >Mother proud to call you children. Together you stand divided you

> >fall " Set a good example in all you do and say, watch your words

> >even when you are having a 'headache 'day. Me too, I am no different

> >we all need to learn this, if you slip, apoligize, ask forgiveness,

> >forgive self, ( hardest sometimes) and try again.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sohniya,

 

Thank you for your kind words.

 

Warm regards,

Violet

 

, " indiblonde "

<indiblonde> wrote:

>

> Dear Violet,

> Yes, i agree with Chandra, he sure did sum up my views on this.

> When i decided to stop going to the collective here , i decided it

> would not mean that i was not being collective, it meant that i

was

> not willing to attend a center under the leadership of the current

> leader. And many people had stopped going to the center for the

same

> reason as well. To me, in my heart i felt that the whole world of

> sy's was my collective, and even when i was meditating alone, that

> so many angles and god's watching me..that was my collective. Now

i

> go there again, but honestly, if i even have to stop again, it

would

> not make any difference to me, except make me think abut some new

> place to buy sy audio tapes.

>

> I feel that the collective was not right in asking you not to

visit

> there anymore. The reasons given are obviously senseless, even

> hypocritical. And as i said, Chandra did sum it up quite well :

> as if Mother Herself is telling you, take heart, forgive these

> ignorant people, enjoy the company of your brothers and sisters in

> near or far off places, through your Spirit.

>

> May you continue to blossom beautifully like a lotus...

>

> Love, Sohniya

>

>

>

> , " Violet "

<vtubb@b...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandra,

> >

> > Thank you for those reassuring Words of Shri Mataji where She

> states that.... " So you may be in America, you may be in India,

you

> may be anywhere; you are just connected " ..... ('through the

> Sahasrara' as you rightly said it, Chandra).

> >

> > Going to a Local Collective does not mean that a person is by

that

> fact truly " connected " to others. It depends upon whether they

have

> the Supreme Source of Love Within, which is what connects one

Spirit

> to another Spirit. As Shri Mataji has clarified, " Collectivity

does

> not mean being stuck together physically with glue. "

> >

> > Warm regards,

> > Violet

> >

> > - In , " my2pai "

<my2pai>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Violet,

> > >

> > > Collectivity does not mean being stuck together physically

with

> > > glue, as Shri Mataji says in the except as appended below.

> Sahaja

> > > Yogis tend to have the misconception that collectivity has to

be

> > > physical for it to be real. No, what it means is that wherever

> we

> > > may be, we are in connection, through the Sahasrara; that is

the

> > > real meaning of collectivity.

> > >

> > > As Shri Mataji says, " So you may be in America, you may be in

> > India,

> > > you may be anywhere; you are just connected. And you are

> > concerned.

> > > As soon as there is a problem somewhere, into any part, any

part

> > of

> > > the world, you are connected and you are effective, you've

> > managed. "

> > > This is what happened today when I read about your problem

with

> > your

> > > local group. I was immediately concerned for you. And in this

> > state

> > > I remembered what Mother had said about the correct definition

> of

> > > collectivity. It is as if Mother Herself is telling you, take

> > heart,

> > > forgive these ignorant people, enjoy the company of your

> brothers

> > > and sisters in near or far off places, through your Spirit.

> > >

> > > Chandra

> > >

> > >

> > > " ...What were you asking there, nothing but the enjoyment of

> > > collectivity. Collectivity doesn't mean that we all should be

> > stuck

> > > together with some glue or something; or we all become like

> > > Gibraltar, Rock of Gibraltar. No, it doesn't mean that. It

means

> > > wherever you are, you are connected; that is collectivity. But

> > > connected doesn't mean that you hate that person, no. You're

> > > connected means you love that person; you're concerned about

> that

> > > person. The connection, the connecting line is of love and not

> of

> > > hatred. So when you are connected with another person or

persons

> > > then you are in collectivity. But people will live together

and

> > > everyday break each others heads. Some of them really give me

> > > headaches, I tell you; because they are no where near the real

> > > growth of Sahaja Yoga. So you may be in America, you may be in

> > > India, you may be anywhere; you are just connected. And you

are

> > > concerned. As soon as there is a problem somewhere, into any

> part,

> > > any part of the world, you are connected and you are

effective,

> > > you've managed. But if you are not connected and if you are

just

> > > glued together, very inconvenient under such circumstances. I

> > think

> > > people don't even understand the meaning of collectivity,

where

> > > there's not the other, ananya, where there's not the other;

> > there's

> > > no other personality. These personalities are separated from

you

> > > because of left and right, or could be both. But you are

> yourself

> > > fully when you're absolutely detached and your Kundalini is

> > dancing;

> > > you're alone and never alone. This oneness with the whole

gives

> > you

> > > all the security that you want, all the joy that you want. And

> > > that's why Kundalini awakening means collectivity. Unless and

> > until

> > > you want pure collectivity in your being, Kundalini won't

rise. "

> > >

> > > Kundalini Puja, Germany, 11/8/91

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Violet "

> > <vtubb@b...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > (i would just like to say here that i am sad because i asked

> for

> > > my 'standing' in the local collective in order to

get 'closure'

> > for

> > > myself and yesterday i was told that my local collective

family

> of

> > > Sahaja Yogis do not want me to go the local collective anymore

> > > because of what i write on these forums. It is a sad

situation.

> > > However, in my mind and heart they are still my family even

> though

> > > they are rejecting me. Because they are still in my mind and

my

> > > heart, i will still talk as if i am in the collective, because

> in

> > my

> > > mind and heart, i am. Maybe the thing they still do not

> understand

> > > is that " you can take the girl out of the collective, but you

> > can't

> > > take the collective out of the girl. " This is because i am in

> > > collective consciousness and in collective consciousness we

are

> > > together in Spirit, even though we may not be able to be

> together

> > in

> > > the physical presence.)

> > > >

> > >

> >

>