The nature of my so-called 'self-exile' from the Local Collective....

[Guest guest]

Dear Forum Family,

 

I met up with a dear Sahaja Yogini friend and have learned that my 'situation'

is known throughout the Australian collective and they have `labelled' it as

`self-exile'. I have never heard of such a thing as `self-exile'.

 

I want to be part of the Local Collective.... however.... because i give myself

the God-given right of freedom of expression on these websites, and write

truthfully from my heart about what Shri Mataji has taught, rumours are being

spread about me. The rumours say that we are criticizing others.... to which I

stated, emphatically, that we are not. We are addressing issues that everyone

here is bringing forward.... issues that need to be talked about, to help each

other grow spiritually. To the best of our ability, we do our utmost to back up

everything we say, with what Shri Mataji and the other Incarnations have said.

 

The rank and file Sahaja Yogis are aware of these forums now. However, they are

seriously taking into consideration the word of the managers of Sahaja Yoga that

these forums `are not quite right, somehow.' I would like the rank and file

Sahaja Yogis to come to these websites with an open heart and mind and really

make an effort to understand what we are saying.

 

From talking to my dear friend, it was obvious that she never really read, with

an open heart and mind, what has been written on these web sites. Taking into

consideration the negative comments that " managerial " Sahaja Yogis are making

about these websites to rank and file SY's, it will be rare for a SY to really

check out these websites without bias. It will be rare for them to really come

to these websites with an open heart and mind and really read and decide for

themselves, whether what is said is in accordance with what Shri Mataji and the

other Incarnations have taught. After all, Shri Mataji has said that we must

test everything like a scientist. A scientist does not take the word of anyone

else, but tests the content against a set standard and that is the proof. Any

Sahaja Yogi can do exactly that; test what is written on these websites, using

the set standard, which is the teachings of Shri Mataji and other Incarnations.

 

I asked whether i might attend my dear yogini friend's place for her weekly

meditation, however she stated that I must change some things first, before I

can come. I explained to her that I only come to meditate and not to talk about

the forums.

 

Apparently, it is my `self-imposed-exile' that prevents me from going to her

place, even though i am specifically asking to attend the local collective

meditation meeting.

 

My friend and I `agreed to disagree'....as there was no other option, but we

both believe that the Truth will come out one day. We gave each other loving

hugs with hope and also some sadness in our hearts.

 

With love,

Violet

[Guest guest]

Dear Violet,

 

I would like to offer you my sympathies about the unfortunate

situation you are into. It is really sad to see such behaviours from

Sahaja Yogis. Only today I was reading a guru puja talk given by

Mother where She states that we are not to critisize others.

Demanding from you to " change some things " in order to join the

collectivity for mere meditation is outrageous.

 

If you want my advice, pure and disarming honesty can beat

everything. Just don't let anyone make you apologize for expressing

your views, let alone for having them.

 

michalis

 

, " Violet " <vtubb@b...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Forum Family,

>

> I met up with a dear Sahaja Yogini friend and have learned that

my 'situation' is known throughout the Australian collective and

they have `labelled' it as `self-exile'. I have never heard of such

a thing as `self-exile'.

>

> I want to be part of the Local Collective.... however.... because

i give myself the God-given right of freedom of expression on these

websites, and write truthfully from my heart about what Shri Mataji

has taught, rumours are being spread about me. The rumours say that

we are criticizing others.... to which I stated, emphatically, that

we are not. We are addressing issues that everyone here is bringing

forward.... issues that need to be talked about, to help each other

grow spiritually. To the best of our ability, we do our utmost to

back up everything we say, with what Shri Mataji and the other

Incarnations have said.

>

> The rank and file Sahaja Yogis are aware of these forums now.

However, they are seriously taking into consideration the word of

the managers of Sahaja Yoga that these forums `are not quite right,

somehow.' I would like the rank and file Sahaja Yogis to come to

these websites with an open heart and mind and really make an effort

to understand what we are saying.

>

> From talking to my dear friend, it was obvious that she never

really read, with an open heart and mind, what has been written on

these web sites. Taking into consideration the negative comments

that " managerial " Sahaja Yogis are making about these websites to

rank and file SY's, it will be rare for a SY to really check out

these websites without bias. It will be rare for them to really come

to these websites with an open heart and mind and really read and

decide for themselves, whether what is said is in accordance with

what Shri Mataji and the other Incarnations have taught. After all,

Shri Mataji has said that we must test everything like a scientist.

A scientist does not take the word of anyone else, but tests the

content against a set standard and that is the proof. Any Sahaja

Yogi can do exactly that; test what is written on these websites,

using the set standard, which is the teachings of Shri Mataji and

other Incarnations.

>

> I asked whether i might attend my dear yogini friend's place for

her weekly meditation, however she stated that I must change some

things first, before I can come. I explained to her that I only come

to meditate and not to talk about the forums.

>

> Apparently, it is my `self-imposed-exile' that prevents me from

going to her place, even though i am specifically asking to attend

the local collective meditation meeting.

>

> My friend and I `agreed to disagree'....as there was no other

option, but we both believe that the Truth will come out one day. We

gave each other loving hugs with hope and also some sadness in our

hearts.

>

> With love,

> Violet

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Violet,

 

If Shri Mataji is truly the incarnation of the HOLY SPIRIT she would not

want you to meditate out of the group, for being open minded, helpful and

trying to clear up misundertstandings. ( So the Yogi's not understanding

themselves and maybe they are also in self exile) That would have left many

people out when Jesus walked the Earth. Anotherwards they think you are

causing yourself to not be allowed to be in group because you are open

minded and trying to hlep others, and yourself, and not being biased. You

are standing ground but are willing to look at ALL sides to be sure, and for

that, you are closed out of group?

 

 

Many people became believers but not at first, through people like you, who

tried to help them, and work with them, Jesus has been ever patient not

coming back to judge the world, as He wants to give EVERY soul ample time to

see the TRUTH.. If He shut out everyone, who EARNESTLY was seeking and

trying to learn, it would be sinful and No one would have been saved. You

are correct like a scientist we owe it to ourselves, ot check out all, to be

SURE, as this is important, to know the TRUTH> It is an important issue. Not

everyone blieves exactly the SAME in Sahja Yooga anyway, many do not see

Shri mataji as par t of the Godhead, but truly a great Prophet of her time

sent for a reasoon. Some do and some do not. They are stil attending

meditation, and are stil Yogis. Probably themselves waiting for the

Sahrarstara ( never could spell this) to open as they wonder why they cannot

see what others see, maybe all other chakras opened but that one, whatever,

only God knows. Some say the Shri Mataji does not want everyone to see her

as God, that was told to me too, she reveals herself to who she wishes, in

different ways.) So actually even within the group we have some differnt

thoughts on this, and they are trying to understand. ( Maybe I am wrong and

they are just going along, and not seeking, not sure) I am not trying to

mean here, on this forum, am jsut trying to explain my thoughts ( actually

my husband and I on this whole thing and sort it out in OUR minds.) VERY

important to get this right, because if she is NOT God ( Or Holy Spirit)

then we can VENERATE HER LIKE THE SAINTS but NOT WORSHIP her there is a

difference.

Venerating shows respet to a high entity, but ONLY God and the God head

would be worshipped.

 

Well anyway, sorry, for trying to get answers, and sorry Violet if this

happened because of me. I will not write anymore as not to upset anyone. (

Will search on our own.) As it looks like if we were still in our collective

we would also be labeled, " Self Exiled " i guess. For questioning and

searching and being open minded, and thinking and looking at ALL sides. For

being truthful, and speaking up on our thoughts. Everyone loved us when we

sat back and never questioned. Or never stated our thoughts. I always saw

Yogis and yoginis as being as saints, and they would be willing to help that

one lost sheep, that maybe went astray.

 

LOVE

 

Danny and Carol

 

> " Violet " <vtubb

>

>

> The nature of my so-called 'self-exile'

>from the Local Collective....

>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:14:46 -0000

>

>Dear Forum Family,

>

>I met up with a dear Sahaja Yogini friend and have learned that my

>'situation' is known throughout the Australian collective and they have

>`labelled' it as `self-exile'. I have never heard of such a thing as

>`self-exile'.

>

>I want to be part of the Local Collective.... however.... because i give

>myself the God-given right of freedom of expression on these websites, and

>write truthfully from my heart about what Shri Mataji has taught, rumours

>are being spread about me. The rumours say that we are criticizing

>others.... to which I stated, emphatically, that we are not. We are

>addressing issues that everyone here is bringing forward.... issues that

>need to be talked about, to help each other grow spiritually. To the best

>of our ability, we do our utmost to back up everything we say, with what

>Shri Mataji and the other Incarnations have said.

>

>The rank and file Sahaja Yogis are aware of these forums now. However, they

>are seriously taking into consideration the word of the managers of Sahaja

>Yoga that these forums `are not quite right, somehow.' I would like the

>rank and file Sahaja Yogis to come to these websites with an open heart and

>mind and really make an effort to understand what we are saying.

>

>From talking to my dear friend, it was obvious that she never really read,

>with an open heart and mind, what has been written on these web sites.

>Taking into consideration the negative comments that " managerial " Sahaja

>Yogis are making about these websites to rank and file SY's, it will be

>rare for a SY to really check out these websites without bias. It will be

>rare for them to really come to these websites with an open heart and mind

>and really read and decide for themselves, whether what is said is in

>accordance with what Shri Mataji and the other Incarnations have taught.

>After all, Shri Mataji has said that we must test everything like a

>scientist. A scientist does not take the word of anyone else, but tests the

>content against a set standard and that is the proof. Any Sahaja Yogi can

>do exactly that; test what is written on these websites, using the set

>standard, which is the teachings of Shri Mataji and other Incarnations.

>

>I asked whether i might attend my dear yogini friend's place for her weekly

>meditation, however she stated that I must change some things first, before

>I can come. I explained to her that I only come to meditate and not to talk

>about the forums.

>

>Apparently, it is my `self-imposed-exile' that prevents me from going to

>her place, even though i am specifically asking to attend the local

>collective meditation meeting.

>

>My friend and I `agreed to disagree'....as there was no other option, but

>we both believe that the Truth will come out one day. We gave each other

>loving hugs with hope and also some sadness in our hearts.

>

>With love,

>Violet

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, " Violet " <vtubb@b...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Forum Family,

>

> I met up with a dear Sahaja Yogini friend and have learned that

> my 'situation' is known throughout the Australian collective and

> they have `labelled' it as `self-exile'. I have never heard of

> such a thing as `self-exile'.

>

> I want to be part of the Local Collective.... however.... because

> i give myself the God-given right of freedom of expression on

> these websites, and write truthfully from my heart about what Shri

> Mataji has taught, rumours are being spread about me. The rumours

> say that we are criticizing others.... to which I stated,

> emphatically, that we are not. We are addressing issues that

> everyone here is bringing forward.... issues that need to be

> talked about, to help each other grow spiritually. To the best of

> our ability, we do our utmost to back up everything we say, with

> what Shri Mataji and the other Incarnations have said.

>

> The rank and file Sahaja Yogis are aware of these forums now.

> However, they are seriously taking into consideration the word of

> the managers of Sahaja Yoga that these forums `are not quite

> right, somehow.' I would like the rank and file Sahaja Yogis to

> come to these websites with an open heart and mind and really make

> an effort to understand what we are saying.

>

> From talking to my dear friend, it was obvious that she never

> really read, with an open heart and mind, what has been written on

> these web sites. Taking into consideration the negative comments

> that " managerial " Sahaja Yogis are making about these websites to

> rank and file SY's, it will be rare for a SY to really check out

> these websites without bias. It will be rare for them to really

> come to these websites with an open heart and mind and really read

> and decide for themselves, whether what is said is in accordance

> with what Shri Mataji and the other Incarnations have taught.

> After all, Shri Mataji has said that we must test everything like

> a scientist. A scientist does not take the word of anyone else,

> but tests the content against a set standard and that is the

> proof. Any Sahaja Yogi can do exactly that; test what is written

> on these websites, using the set standard, which is the teachings

> of Shri Mataji and other Incarnations.

>

> I asked whether i might attend my dear yogini friend's place for

> her weekly meditation, however she stated that I must change some

> things first, before I can come. I explained to her that I only

> come to meditate and not to talk about the forums.

>

> Apparently, it is my `self-imposed-exile' that prevents me from

> going to her place, even though i am specifically asking to attend

> the local collective meditation meeting.

>

> My friend and I `agreed to disagree'....as there was no other

> option, but we both believe that the Truth will come out one day.

> We gave each other loving hugs with hope and also some sadness in

> our hearts.

>

> With love,

> Violet

>

 

 

Dear Violet,

 

Now they want you to be de-programmed before you can return from

self-exile. But who are they to sanitize you of the contamination

and negativity you have been exposed? What have you done here that

so disturbs and frightens them? If you left on your own why can't

you return the same way? Why accuse you of self-exile and then bar

your return by putting conditions?

 

i deeply sympathise with the predicament you are in for merely

following the very principles WCASY so loudly proclaims to SYs;

 

" The Council aims at maintaining the highest standard of

spirituality and ethics in the operation of all the Sahaja

institutions and committees, thereby insuring worldwide consistency

in the operations of all the Sahaja messages and approaches in

conformity with the teachings of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. We humbly

pray to Shri Mataji to allow the Paramchaitanya to guide us and keep

the living work of Sahaja Yoga in a manner She has personally taught

each one of us. "

 

It is so easy to rip apart and expose the hypocrisy and hype of

these founding fathers. All you need is to read what they proclaimed

with much fanfare just two years ago. And Violet, please remember

your unoffical national anthem. For most people, the words

of ‘Waltzing Matilda’ embody the free spirit, resourcefulness and

defiance of authority associated with the Australian national

character. It is time to get ready to spring into the billabong.

 

with love and best wishes,

 

 

jagbir

 

 

--------------------------------

 

World Council for the Advancement of Sahaja Yoga

Resolution for the Humble Acceptance of Responsibility

Background on Formation of the World Council:

 

The formation of the World Council for the Advancement of Sahaja

Yoga took place on November 20th, 2003 at the Residence of Shri

Mataji in Los Angeles, USA. A number of Sahaja Yogis were present at

the time when She made the decision to form the World Council

including Grégoire deKalbermatten, Karan Khurana, Manoj Kumar, Gagan

Ahluwalia and Paul Ellis. Shri Mataji clearly affirmed that the

document She was signing was an expression of Her will and desire.

She was actively engaged in the discussion and talked to

those present at great length. She spoke with complete clarity in Her

inimitable style that we all know so well. Shri Mataji personally

reviewed the list of the people on the World Council and made

changes as She saw fit. All of the above mentioned Sahaja yogis, who

were present on that occasion felt privileged to be a part of this

moment in the formation of the World Council and be witness to

Shri Mataji creating this expression of Her will.

 

Preamble: Sahaja Yoga is a spiritual movement inspired by the

sincerity and the devotion of its members to the person and legacy

of the Maha Avatar Adi Shakti Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi.

 

Shri Mataji has placed each one of us on this Council for a purpose

and role only She fully knows by Her eternal principle of Divine

knowledge, and it is by this consciousness that She guides us as Her

devotees. It is not for us to question whom or why, but to always

remember that Shri Mataji is our Eternal Guru and Her choice is the

only one. As none of the Council members are infallible, and as

integral part of our Sahaja collective existence we will search with

humility for wisdom and guidance through our permanent connection

with Her, to discover the divine direction She continually gives us,

and to humbly follow Her directive in selflessly working to fulfill

Her vision in helping to bring the experience of en-masse self-

realization to all humanity. It is our responsibility to fully

preserve and enhance the legacy of Shri Mataji for all time to come.

To do this, we must do the work of Sahaja Yoga as one body united

in our devotion to Shri Mataji, and fully responsive to our

vibrations and collective consciousness.

 

Resolution:

Under the direct mandate of our Divine Mother and Guru, Shri Adi

Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi, We, the members of the World

Council, accept that as long as Shri Mataji chooses

to withdraw from routine matters of Sahaja Yoga, it is our

responsibility to provide leadership, guidance and decisions on all

institutional and governance aspects, and matters that impact the

world collective, and on global matters that would otherwise be

guided directly by Shri Mataji through Her pure, omnipotent and

omnipresent attention. The Council will formulate and adopt its code

of conduct and rules of procedures to carry out its responsibilities

in a Sahaja way following the vibrations of divine love, the

Paramchaitanya. We fully dedicate ourselves to the task of sharing

Shri Mataji's gift of Sahaja Yoga with the world and to nurturing a

Sahaja environment that strengthens the bonds of love and

collectivity amongst all the Sahaja Yogis of the world.

We pray to Shri Mataji to bless us with wisdom, as we continue Her

work with humility and courage; we beg Her forgiveness for any

mistakes that we make, and pray that She give us a place at Her

lotus feet and in Her heart.

 

World Council for the Advancement of Sahaja Yoga

Resolution of Commitment to Collective Leadership

Background on the principle of collective leadership:

 

Collectivity is the binding force of Sahaja Yoga that fulfills our

consciousness and our existence. In our collective meditation the

vibrations are the strongest, and when Sahaja decisions are made

collectively by dedicated and sincere Sahaja Yogis, it reflects the

will and desire of Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji defined and established

the direction and guidance on this matter on a historic day in

December 2001. She gave Her first guidance on Sahaja governance and

signed into effect the creation of collective leadership of Vishwa

Nirmala Dharma - USA (VND). Shri Mataji personally chose the sevens of VND to work closely with the national leader and carry

out a collective decision making process in all matters related to

national significance. A second layer of officers was added by Her

to work closely in carrying out the processes and represent VND in

its operations. On this occasion She provided us with a deeper

insight in to Her wishes on the subject of Sahaja governance with a

global perspective that all Sahaja decisionmaking, ought to occur in

this collective committee format. She further added that all

countries should follow this model that She has created.

 

Preamble:

Collective consciousness is the most fundamental principle of Sahaja

existence, by which the Paramchaitanya communicates Her divine

message, and we communicate with each other. She inspires and guides

us in our collective existence as Her nature molds our character as

one collective living being, and allows us to participate and

fulfill the role we must play for Her and therefore we

must resolve to function as one. We hold these truths as self-

obvious: That yoginis and yogis are their own masters and that they

do not need a clerical establishment as intermediary between their

Sahasrara chakra and their God. The Council is fully aware that the

need for legislation is minimal as knowledge and guidance in Sahaja

Yoga is vested in the teachings of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi that are

contained in the written, audio and video records of Her lectures.

This is why the leadership institution in Sahaja Yoga, including the

membership of the World Council, is not considered as a spiritual

hierarchy but as an enabling and empowering force. Shri Mataji is

our example and our ideal. She is Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti who has

come on this earth to give God's creation its true meaning

 

through Sahaja Yoga and has dedicated Her life in selflessly working

to spread Sahaja Yoga all over the world. The World Council,

national leaders and associated committees are to uphold,

channel and facilitate in a benevolent manner the harmonious and

dynamic progress of their collectives.

 

Resolution:

We the members of the World Council fully commit to the Sahaja

principle of collective decision-making. We solemnly affirm that the

functioning of the World Council will be in keeping with the

protocol of collective decision making with at least 75% majority

agreement, by either direct consultation or by means of committees,

in each of which there must be at least a minimum of three members

in keeping with the collective process. Further, we affirm the

commitment of the World Council in providing guidance, direction and

support in putting the appropriate collective decision-making

processes in place for all national collectives and all levels of

Sahaja collectivity. The Council aims at maintaining the highest

standard of spirituality and ethics in the operation of all the

Sahaja institutions and committees, thereby insuring worldwide

consistency in the operations of all the Sahaja messages and

approaches in conformity with the teachings of Shri Mataji Nirmala

Devi. We humbly pray to Shri Mataji to allow the Paramchaitanya to

guide us and keep the living work of Sahaja Yoga in a manner She has

personally taught each one of us. As our compassionate and loving

Mother, our benevolent Guru, and the Devi whom we worship, we offer

our prayers that She always be present within us.

 

These Primary and Pre-requisite Guidance Principles for the

Members of the World Council for the Advancement of Sahaja

Yoga:

 

Resolution for the Humble Acceptance of Responsibility

Resolution of Commitment to Collective Leadership

Were fully accepted by:

 

1. Rajesh Shah

2. Grégoire de Kalbermatten

3. David Spiro

4. Vijay Nalgirkar

5. Manoj Kumar

6. Eduardo Marino

7. Wolfgang Hackl

8. Majid Golpour

9. Phillip Zeiss

10. Derek Lee

11. Arneau de Kalbermatten

12. Nese Algan

13. Ivan Tan

14. Karan Khurana

15. Alex Henshaw

16. Aldo Gandolfi

17. Rajiv Kumar

18. Brian Wells

19. David Dunphy

20. Zafar Rashid

21. Bohdan Shehovych

22. Gagan Ahluwalia

23. Paul Ellis

24. Alan Wherry

25. Alan Pereira

26. Sandeep Gadkary