Are you sure about that,Jagbir?.

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, " kriptodanny "

<kriptodanny> wrote:

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Semira,

> >

> > i find it difficult to believe that you regard arranged

marriages a violation of human rights. If that is the case, you are

insulting all the prophets, sages and gurus since time immemorial

who always accepted arranged marriages.

>

> Are you sure about that,Jagbir?....you mean sages and gurus adviced

> about marriage with a stranger because the family said so?

> And the woman had to marry the stranger?

> Are you serious?

> ?????

 

Danny, there were no dating clubs for sages those days ......

neither are there today, i.e., for sages. Arranged marriage was

legit and honourable as could be.

 

> >

> > You are also insulting more than half of humanity as the Chinese

and Indians always had arranged marriage for millennia, and still do.

>

> Are those chinese and indians needing the leader approval to get

> married ,Jagbir??

> Or they must get the plane to India for the marriage Committee to

> marry them?

> Or those chinese and indian dudes who have for millennia arranged

> marriages need the leader approval to get married?..I do NOT THINK

SO

 

i am talking ancient cultures, not Indian and Chinese SYs.

 

But i agree that getting the leader's approval can be abused. They

can mould you like plasticine in case they decide you are not Sahaj

enough. i just do not agree that they wield so much power over SYs

desirious of arranged marriage. Indiblonde's case brought home that

message, one that we cannot ignore due to its nastiness, pettiness

of issues amd the humiliation. Women should never be subject to that

type of humilation and there should be checks and balances. Maybe

they will start improving once they realize how abusive some

'leaders' are.

 

>

> How you can..could you.. Jagbir????.. to compare those with the

> heavily restricted to the LEADER signiture marriage form??...are

you making fun of me,or are you serious??

>

 

Leaders should never decide our eligibility. They have no means of

judging accurately, except comparing the biodata. And i would not

want anyone to butter them for the sake of getting favourable marks.

 

i think if parents are involved they will help bring forth a better

match but that would mean delegating power. And the logistics of

arranged marriage between different cultures and distances also

hinder. It is no easy solution since there are so few SYs, compared

to the general population, to facilitate that. Perhaps in future we

can have a better method, choice and freedom to make this very

importnat decision. And let's not forget checks and balances to root

out abusive leaders.

 

 

> > You are also insulting my parents who lived and loved each other

> > through all the trials and tribulations, thanks to the inherent

> > strength of their arranged marriage.

>

> God be with them..

>

 

Gos is always withIN them..

 

> > You are also insulting my best friend whose son, a chemical

> > engineer, was matched with an accountant just last month.

>

> Good luck to him..did he need any Leader aproval to get married?

> Yes or NO???..did he get the marriage form to get

married?..YES..or NO?? Was he married by a Marriage Counsel??...

> Yes..or No??

>

 

He is a Malaysian, not a SY, and thus need not apply for any forms.

 

>

> > i am also going to get all my children married through arranged

> > marriage because i do not believe in this dating culture that

you espouse in the name of human rights.

>

> Good for you..You will be braking the Mahesh protocol,which says

you can not NEVER get married without your Leader .He must(MUST)

give you the form of marriage,then you must go to India for the

marriage commitee might marry your kids with someone from

Uvpakistan..that's it..get use to it,Jagbir..

>

 

i am getting all my children married outside Sahaja Yoga because

since they are all possessed and demonic they may just sink their

fangs into the unfortunate self-realized victim.

 

 

> > Please come down to earth and read some hisotry. It is time you

> > learn to respect other cultures and their rich traditions that

have remarkably stood the test of time.

>

> It is time to not push me,Mahesh..this is the time..for this has

> nothing to do with yoga,and it's an abomination ...for they want

us to succomb to the Marriage Counsel...and if you guys do not

realize it,I am sorry for you,for ..I will never give up on this

insane(insane) issue.. You guys waKE UP....OR I personally start a

war on this.I believe it is a basic human right for any person to

marry whoever wants...Looks like sahaja yoga wants to marry people

like in the slavery times?...based on the Marriage CounseL??

> Jai Shri Mataji

>

 

No one is Sahaja Yoga stops you marrying whom you want. You are free

to do what you want with your life. Please don't insist we start a

dating club for SYs. If you meet someone at a puja and your parents

agree it should be allowed. By this i mean both parents can meet and

decide, provided both CONSENTING ADULTS agree. It is not that both

are going out dating and dancing. It is not that there is lust in

their eyes as some dry, puritan SYs hcondemn. If i look at a

beautiful girl that does not mean i am lusting for her. Any self-

realized soul will not have such thoughts and the natural chemistry

cannot be suppressed (and i don't mean sexually). It is natural for

young adults to go through this phase, and evolution has a strong

influence. We just cannot deny nature. i do not seen any reason for

any objections from the " marriage council " , if there is such a body,

when such situations arise i.e., parents taking control in deciding

the future of their children and help facilitate a better match. i

am sure their wisdom and experience is better than that of the

present 'marriage councils'.

 

Maybe all these suggestions will be condemned but time is also on my

side on this issue. If future, when Sahaja Yoga spreads and we have

far more SYs, social progress will enforce more freedom. You just

cannot stop such progress. And i always keep reminding that things

will be different when Shri Mataji leaves. Just wait and see.

 

regards,

 

 

jagbir