Christians still do not know that they are supposed to look for a Cool Breeze

[Guest guest]

Dear Violet,

 

You told me that " Christians still do not know that they are

supposed to look for a Cool Breeze, because the Pentecostals don't

teach that. The Pentecostals teach about the Gifts of the Spirit. "

 

If you do not mind, can you elaborate/edit the same points and post

it on the forum? i think this is a major topic that needs public

discussion so that its manifestation and implications can be

compared viz a viz mainstream Christianity. The self-verification of

Cool Breeze experienced by those who get their Second Birth from the

Spirit within themselves is the force de rigeur of Sahaja Yoga.

 

The Pentecostal churches do not teach about the Cool Breeze because

their pastors have absolute no power to give Second Birth. i have

read a number of disturbing articles. One of them reads:

 

" 50 Videos that document Pentecostal Manifestation Heresy!

 

1. See famous Pentecostal preachers practice mass hypnotic

induction, holy Laughter, slain in the spirit, animal sounds,

spiritual amnesia, spiritual muteness, spiritual drunkenness,

spontaneous movements, see someone do " the dead chicken " on the

floor and another while standing up! Hear the " redhead moo " and the

preacher crow like a rooster. See the " left leg anointing " and

the " head wagging " prophetesses. Learn about the pain you feel when

you're slain! Hear misquotes of the Bible within a prophecy! Hear

Bible reading openly mocked!

 

See and hear Pentecostals and their Pastors worship in chaos and

misbehave in church services in ways that other church goers

discipline their children for, and blame it on the Holy Spirit!

 

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm

 

 

2. Manifestations in non-Christian occult and satanic religions are

identical to many modern Pentecostal churches.

 

Gurus, Hypnotists and Pentecostals: Can you tell the difference?

 

 

3. Most manifestations in modern Pentecostal churches and revival

meetings are not found in the Bible.

Bible Miracles and Modern day impostors!

Bible Tongue Speaking and Modern Impostors!

The 9 Spiritual Gifts of Bible defined

What is the Gift Of Tongues?

Slain in the Spirit is unbiblical and occult!

Former Pentecostal Pastor of 18 years converts to the truth! " For me

it was a conflict with the Bible, and I knew nothing supernatural

was happening! "

Pentecostals view non-Charismatics as dead and lifeless churches!

 

 

4. Detailed theological refutation of 20th century tongues that

proves tongues ceased sometime around 100 AD.

Detailed Theological research paper:

Part 1: Intro and foundational arguments

Part 2: Exposition of 1 Cor 13:8-13

Part 3: Pentecostal arguments refuted

 

 

5. Photo Galleries of fake Pentecostal miracles.

Fake TV Evangelist I.Q. Test

 

Photo gallery: Pentecostal Miracle Trinkets

 

Occult Fake miracles photo gallery

 

TV's Peter Popoff proven to be a fraud

 

Why are seriously crippled people (ie. paraplegics) NEVER healed

although Pentecostal churches are full of them???

Miracle workers who couldn't heal!

 

 

6. Pentecostalism looks and feels good, but is it from God???

Encyclopedia of Pentecostal ministries their leaders, organizations

and false doctrines EXPOSED!

Moral failures of the highest profile Pentecostal preachers

Many Pentecostals are Anti-doctrine, Anti-intellectual " Knowledge is

of the devil "

Pentecostalism: Worshipping God with you mind in neutral!

Pentecostalism: Founded by women who usurp their place!

Spiritual Supremacists: Most Pentecostals are spiritual elitists

 

 

7. Would Jesus endorse the Pentecostal church where you attend?

Why I Left The Pentecostal Church After 18 years, this former

Pentecostal Pastor becomes a simple New Testament Christian and

continues to preach!

Major errors of Pentecostalism

Most Pentecostals sacrifice the Bible at the alter of their feelings!

 

 

8. Nothing truly supernatural ever happens in today's Pentecostal

churches but there is a lot of emotionalism!

 

How about surviving a snake bite??? WE CHOSE THE SNAKE! $1,100,000

Challenge for one MIRACLE!

" Miracles have ceased " doesn't mean God is powerless!

 

 

9. Encyclopedias and Dictionaries of Pentecostal and Occult

religions

Encyclopedia of Pentecostal history & tongues 150-1901 AD

Encyclopedia of occult terms & lingo Why do all these occult

definitions perfect fit many Pentecostals today???

Dictionary of Hindu, yoga terms & lingo

Encyclopedia of all known Pentecostal ministries

 

 

10. History: Pentecostalism is the ancient heresy of " Montanism "

revived

150 AD: Montanism: The Ancient roots of Pentecostalism

150-1901 AD Does history prove Pentecostalism?

1901-Today " Neo-Montanism " : Modern roots of Pentecostalism

 

http://www.bible.ca/tongues.htm

 

 

The Cool Breeze comes from within and this evidence must be self-

verified by the seeker to know that he/she is truly born of the

Spirit. This Divine power lies within the person, a miracle of God's

direct action to fulfill His Promise to humanity.

 

" The term " miracle " has been subjected to indiscriminate usage in

our time. Almost anything unusual is incorrectly styled a " miracle " .

God is present and active throughout our universe through

instrumentality of natural laws, but even natural laws are those of

whom God is author. A miracle is an instance of God's direct action,

as distinguished from His mediate or indirect action through natural

laws. For instance, when Jesus fed the 5,000 with a lad's lunch of

five loaves and two fishes, this was a miracle. If the lad had fed

himself with the lunch he had prepared, this would have been a

perfectly natural event. (Matthew 14:15-21). The difference is that

the latter would have been in perfect conformity with natural law;

the former required utilizing divine power. "

 

There are tens of thousands of SYs who experience this Cool Breeze

daily. Let us not forget the hundreds of thousands of seekers who

did feel this Cool Breeze over countless numbers of SY public

programs and health fairs but left because, since they were never

told the Truth, found it no big deal as they could not relate it to

their religious upbringing. Perhaps in future many of these seekers,

and Pentecostal churchgoers too, may find out that the Wind that the

Disciples of Jesus felt on the Day of Pentecost is a daily

experience for those taking part in the Resurrection and Last

Judgment.

 

with love and season's greetings,

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

 

The so-called Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Pentecostalism is done through what

is called as the `laying on of hands'. It is done as part of the Church Service

when the Minister uses his right hand and places it on the head of the

recipient, and declares/prays over the recipient by saying something like: `In

the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, the Holy Ghost be now

received!'

 

Then the Holy Ghost `transmission' is passed on from the Minister to the

recipient in what is felt like a hot radiating heat that leaves the right hand

of the Minister's hand and it goes into the Sahasrara (head) of the recipient.

People like the experience. It gives them a real `high' (siddhi).

 

I once asked a Pentecostal `Church of God' Minister where he got this power to

give the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. He told me he was initiated into it from

another Minister who already had it.

 

The teaching in the Pentecostal Church is that once a person receives this

Baptism of the Holy Spirit, they can then expect to see the Gifts of the Holy

Spirit operative in their lives, as described in the 12th Chapter of I

Corinthians, where these Gifts of the Spirit are described. This Chapter is the

MAIN TENET of all Christian 'Pentecostal' Style Religions.

 

Here it is:

 

" The Use of Spiritual Gifts " (New American Standard Bible)

Author: (Apostle) Paul....

 

1. " Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware.

 

2. You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to the dumb idols,

however you were led.

 

3. Therefore I make known to you, that no one speaking by the Spirit of God

says, " Jesus is accursed " ; and no one can say " Jesus is Lord, " except by the

Holy Spirit.

 

4. Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit.

 

5. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord.

 

6. And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in

all persons.

 

7. But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.

 

8. For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the

word of knowledge according to the same Spirit.

 

9. To another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the

one Spirit.

 

10. And to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to

another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and

to another the interpretation of tongues.

 

11. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one

individually just as He wills.

 

12. For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of

the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ.

 

13. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or

Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

 

14. For the body is not one member, but many.

 

15. If the foot should say, " Because I am not the hand, I am not a part of the

body, " it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.

 

16. And if the ear should say, " Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the

body, " it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.

 

17. If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were

hearing, where would the sense of smell be?

 

18. But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as

He desired.

 

19. And if they were all one member, where would the body be?

 

20. But now there are many members, but one body.

 

21. And the eye cannot say to the hand, " I have no need of you " , or again the

head to the feet, " I have no need of you. "

 

22. On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body, which seem

to be weaker, are necessary;

 

23. And those members of the body, which we deem less honorable, on these we

bestow more abundant honor, and our unseemly members come to have more abundant

seemliness,

 

24. Whereas our seemly members have no need of it. But God has so composed the

body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked,

 

25. That there should be no division in the body, but that the members should

have the same care for one another.

 

26. And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is

honored, all the members rejoice with it.

 

27. Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it,

 

28. And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second(ly) prophets,

third(ly) teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps,

administrations, various kinds of tongues.

 

29. All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not

teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they?

 

30. All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues,

do they? All do not interpret, do they?

 

31. But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more

excellent way. " (1 Corinthians 12:1-31)

 

Jagbir, Verse 31 leads you to where the non-Pentecostal Mainstream Traditional

Christian Churches base their views. They generally disregard the 12th Chapter

with the Gifts of the Spirit, and opt to go with the 13th Chapter, which

stresses the more excellent way of love.

 

Here it is:

 

" The Excellence of Love " (New American Standard Bible)

 

1. " If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I

have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

 

2. And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge;

and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am

nothing.

 

3. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I deliver my body

to be burned (suicide bombers?!), but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

 

4. Love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is

not arrogant.

 

5. Does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does

not take into account a wrong suffered,

 

6. Does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth,

 

7. Bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

 

8. Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away;

if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done

away.

 

9. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;

 

10. But when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.

 

11. When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as

a child; when I became a man; I did away with childish things.

 

12. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part,

but then I shall know fully just as I also have been fully known.

 

But now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

(1 Corinthians 13:1-13)

 

Jagbir, between Chapter 12 (Pentecostal Stance) and Chapter 13 (Traditional

Christian Stance), you have the basic differences between `Pentecostals' and

other `traditional Christian believers'.

 

However, the next chapter, Chapter 14 is what makes Pentecostals believe that

their view is correct as against the view of the traditional Christian

believers' views, who basically totally disregard Chapter 12. That is why

`Pentecostal Christian' feel spiritually/morally superior to the traditional

Christian beliefs, because `Pentecostals' do not believe that the traditional

Christian beliefs are the " Full Gospel " , because they ignore the " Spiritual

Gifts " as espoused in Chapter 12.

 

Anyway, here is Chapter 14:

 

" Prophecy is a Superior Gift " (New American Standard Bible)

Author: (Apostle) Paul....

 

1. Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you

may prophesy.

 

2. For one who speaks in a tongue ( " glossolalia " ) does not speak to men, but,

but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

 

3. But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and

consolation.

 

4. One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies

the church.

 

5. Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would

prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues,

unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.

 

6. But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what shall I profit

you, unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or knowledge or of

prophecy or of teaching?

 

7. Yet even lifeless things, either flute or harp, in producing a sound, if they

do not produce a distinction in the tones, how will it be known what is played

on the flute or on the harp?

 

8. For if the bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for

battle?

 

9. So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it

be known what is spoken? (Referring to `gibberish' here, a.k.a. `glossolalia')

For you will be speaking into the air.

 

10. There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no

kind is without meaning.

 

11. If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be to the one who

speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me.

 

12. So also you, since you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek to abound for

the edification of the church.

 

13. Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret.

 

14. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

 

15. What is the outcome then? I shall pray with the spirit and I shall pray with

the mind also; I shall sing with the spirit and I shall sing with the mind also.

 

16. Otherwise if you bless in the spirit only, how will the one who fills the

place of the ungifted say the " Amen " at your giving of thanks, since he does not

know what you are saying?

 

17. For you are giving thanks well enough, but the other man is not edified.

 

18. I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all;

 

19. however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind, that I may

instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue. (1 Corinthians

14:1-19)

 

Jagbir, you can see from Verse 18, that the (Apostle) Paul must have been a

`Pentecostal', because he says that he " speaks in tongues " . Perhaps (Apostle)

Paul was over-the-top, encouraging Christians to 'try to prophecy', 'try to

heal', all these things. i mean, i think a lot of this must have been in the

form of left/righ channel 'siddhis'. i am beginning to think (Apostle) Paul was

maybe a bit 'unbalanced' and 'fanatical', because you don't go around saying to

people " Try to heal " , " Try to prophesy " , do you?! However, my theory is, that

because it was Peter and Paul who were the basis of the continuing Official

Church, that they included all of Paul's idiosyncracies in the Bible, which

today are embraced and perpetuated by the so-called 'Pentecostals'.

 

It also seems that because of the increasing popularity of the 'Pentecostal

Movement', that more 'traditional' Christian Churches are also including more

elements of the so-called " Full Gospel " of the Pentecostals such as the Gift of

Healing, for example, but excluding less acceptable things like " prophesy " or

" speaking in tongues " (which is a strange phenomena anyway).

 

Btw, for the Pentecostals, " Speaking in Tongues " .... not the Cool Breeze.... is

the Sure Sign of having the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

 

In all of these Christian Churches (non-Pentecostal and Pentecostal alike),

there is no Cool Breeze of the Holy Spirit. They all believe that the Cool Wind

of the Holy Spirit was a 'once off' Dispensation experienced only by the

Disciples of Jesus on the Day of Pentecost.

 

Jagbir, I know that this is not the `edit' and `paste' style you requested,

however, as you can see it is a fairly 'deep' topic that required more input

than a brief Q and A style.

 

Love and best wishes,

 

Violet

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> Dear Violet,

>

> You told me that " Christians still do not know that they are

> supposed to look for a Cool Breeze, because the Pentecostals don't

> teach that. The Pentecostals teach about the Gifts of the Spirit. "

>

> If you do not mind, can you elaborate/edit the same points and

post

> it on the forum? i think this is a major topic that needs public

> discussion so that its manifestation and implications can be

> compared viz a viz mainstream Christianity. The self-verification

of

> Cool Breeze experienced by those who get their Second Birth from

the

> Spirit within themselves is the force de rigeur of Sahaja Yoga.

>

> The Pentecostal churches do not teach about the Cool Breeze

because

> their pastors have absolute no power to give Second Birth. i have

> read a number of disturbing articles. One of them reads:

>

> " 50 Videos that document Pentecostal Manifestation Heresy!

>

> 1. See famous Pentecostal preachers practice mass hypnotic

> induction, holy Laughter, slain in the spirit, animal sounds,

> spiritual amnesia, spiritual muteness, spiritual drunkenness,

> spontaneous movements, see someone do " the dead chicken " on the

> floor and another while standing up! Hear the " redhead moo " and

the

> preacher crow like a rooster. See the " left leg anointing " and

> the " head wagging " prophetesses. Learn about the pain you feel

when

> you're slain! Hear misquotes of the Bible within a prophecy! Hear

> Bible reading openly mocked!

>

> See and hear Pentecostals and their Pastors worship in chaos and

> misbehave in church services in ways that other church goers

> discipline their children for, and blame it on the Holy Spirit!

>

> http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm

>

>

> 2. Manifestations in non-Christian occult and satanic religions

are

> identical to many modern Pentecostal churches.

>

> Gurus, Hypnotists and Pentecostals: Can you tell the difference?

>

>

> 3. Most manifestations in modern Pentecostal churches and revival

> meetings are not found in the Bible.

> Bible Miracles and Modern day impostors!

> Bible Tongue Speaking and Modern Impostors!

> The 9 Spiritual Gifts of Bible defined

> What is the Gift Of Tongues?

> Slain in the Spirit is unbiblical and occult!

> Former Pentecostal Pastor of 18 years converts to the truth! " For

me

> it was a conflict with the Bible, and I knew nothing supernatural

> was happening! "

> Pentecostals view non-Charismatics as dead and lifeless churches!

>

>

> 4. Detailed theological refutation of 20th century tongues that

> proves tongues ceased sometime around 100 AD.

> Detailed Theological research paper:

> Part 1: Intro and foundational arguments

> Part 2: Exposition of 1 Cor 13:8-13

> Part 3: Pentecostal arguments refuted

>

>

> 5. Photo Galleries of fake Pentecostal miracles.

> Fake TV Evangelist I.Q. Test

>

> Photo gallery: Pentecostal Miracle Trinkets

>

> Occult Fake miracles photo gallery

>

> TV's Peter Popoff proven to be a fraud

>

> Why are seriously crippled people (ie. paraplegics) NEVER healed

> although Pentecostal churches are full of them???

> Miracle workers who couldn't heal!

>

>

> 6. Pentecostalism looks and feels good, but is it from God???

> Encyclopedia of Pentecostal ministries their leaders,

organizations

> and false doctrines EXPOSED!

> Moral failures of the highest profile Pentecostal preachers

> Many Pentecostals are Anti-doctrine, Anti-intellectual " Knowledge

is

> of the devil "

> Pentecostalism: Worshipping God with you mind in neutral!

> Pentecostalism: Founded by women who usurp their place!

> Spiritual Supremacists: Most Pentecostals are spiritual elitists

>

>

> 7. Would Jesus endorse the Pentecostal church where you attend?

> Why I Left The Pentecostal Church After 18 years, this former

> Pentecostal Pastor becomes a simple New Testament Christian and

> continues to preach!

> Major errors of Pentecostalism

> Most Pentecostals sacrifice the Bible at the alter of their

feelings!

>

>

> 8. Nothing truly supernatural ever happens in today's Pentecostal

> churches but there is a lot of emotionalism!

>

> How about surviving a snake bite??? WE CHOSE THE SNAKE! $1,100,000

> Challenge for one MIRACLE!

> " Miracles have ceased " doesn't mean God is powerless!

>

>

> 9. Encyclopedias and Dictionaries of Pentecostal and Occult

> religions

> Encyclopedia of Pentecostal history & tongues 150-1901 AD

> Encyclopedia of occult terms & lingo Why do all these occult

> definitions perfect fit many Pentecostals today???

> Dictionary of Hindu, yoga terms & lingo

> Encyclopedia of all known Pentecostal ministries

>

>

> 10. History: Pentecostalism is the ancient heresy of " Montanism "

> revived

> 150 AD: Montanism: The Ancient roots of Pentecostalism

> 150-1901 AD Does history prove Pentecostalism?

> 1901-Today " Neo-Montanism " : Modern roots of Pentecostalism

>

> http://www.bible.ca/tongues.htm

>

>

> The Cool Breeze comes from within and this evidence must be self-

> verified by the seeker to know that he/she is truly born of the

> Spirit. This Divine power lies within the person, a miracle of

God's

> direct action to fulfill His Promise to humanity.

>

> " The term " miracle " has been subjected to indiscriminate usage in

> our time. Almost anything unusual is incorrectly styled

a " miracle " .

> God is present and active throughout our universe through

> instrumentality of natural laws, but even natural laws are those

of

> whom God is author. A miracle is an instance of God's direct

action,

> as distinguished from His mediate or indirect action through

natural

> laws. For instance, when Jesus fed the 5,000 with a lad's lunch of

> five loaves and two fishes, this was a miracle. If the lad had fed

> himself with the lunch he had prepared, this would have been a

> perfectly natural event. (Matthew 14:15-21). The difference is

that

> the latter would have been in perfect conformity with natural law;

> the former required utilizing divine power. "

>

> There are tens of thousands of SYs who experience this Cool Breeze

> daily. Let us not forget the hundreds of thousands of seekers who

> did feel this Cool Breeze over countless numbers of SY public

> programs and health fairs but left because, since they were never

> told the Truth, found it no big deal as they could not relate it

to

> their religious upbringing. Perhaps in future many of these

seekers,

> and Pentecostal churchgoers too, may find out that the Wind that

the

> Disciples of Jesus felt on the Day of Pentecost is a daily

> experience for those taking part in the Resurrection and Last

> Judgment.

>

> with love and season's greetings,

>

>

> jagbir

>

[Guest guest]

" The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don't

know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who

is born of the Spirit. " John 3.8

 

 

" The Kundalini rises through a very thin line of Brahmanadi. In the

beginning only a hair like thing rises, it pierces through; in some

people ,of course, in a big way it rises also. And then it pierces

this fontanel bone area which is a real baptism, real. Today only

people felt the cool breeze coming out of their heads. Can you do

that by jumping, or by paying money? They felt the cool breeze in

the hand. It's written in the Bible, even in the Bible very clearly,

that it's the cool breeze, cool breeze is the sign of the Holy

Ghost. You start feeling the cool breeze in your hands and you start

feeling the cool breeze on your head. This is the actualization.

 

Of course, you people don't read other books which are very good,

like Adi Shankaracharya, People don't even like the mention of his

name who has really and clearly said that it is the cool breeze; the

chaitanya is to be felt like cool breeze in the hands. They do not

want that you should know the truth. And this is the truth that when

you get your realization, you have to feel the cool breeze in your

hands yourself. You have to judge yourself. I'm not going to tell

you. It is you who has to see, it is you who has to feel, and then

you have to grow and you have to know all and everything; all the

secrets of Divine Science. You become the master then, you are the

guru.

 

You are the Spirit, and you should get it. It's your own which is

given to you. I have nothing to do about it. I'm just a catalyst. "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Maccabean Hall, Australia on March 22, 1981

 

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> Dear Violet,

>

> You told me that " Christians still do not know that they are

> supposed to look for a Cool Breeze, because the Pentecostals don't

> teach that. The Pentecostals teach about the Gifts of the Spirit. "

>

> If you do not mind, can you elaborate/edit the same points and

> post it on the forum? i think this is a major topic that needs

> public discussion so that its manifestation and implications can

> be compared viz a viz mainstream Christianity. The self-

> verification of Cool Breeze experienced by those who get their

> Second Birth from the Spirit within themselves is the force de

> rigeur of Sahaja Yoga.

>

> The Pentecostal churches do not teach about the Cool Breeze

> because their pastors have absolute no power to give Second Birth.

>

> The Cool Breeze comes from within and this evidence must be self-

> verified by the seeker to know that he/she is truly born of the

> Spirit. This Divine power lies within the person, a miracle of

> God's direct action to fulfill His Promise to humanity.

>

> There are tens of thousands of SYs who experience this Cool Breeze

> daily. Let us not forget the hundreds of thousands of seekers who

> did feel this Cool Breeze over countless numbers of SY public

> programs and health fairs but left because, since they were never

> told the Truth, found it no big deal as they could not relate it

> to their religious upbringing. Perhaps in future many of these

> seekers, and Pentecostal churchgoers too, may find out that the

> Wind that the Disciples of Jesus felt on the Day of Pentecost is a

> daily experience for those taking part in the Resurrection and

> Last Judgment.

>

> with love and season's greetings,

>

>

> jagbir

>

[Guest guest]

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> " The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don't

> know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who

> is born of the Spirit. " John 3.8

>

>

> " The Kundalini rises through a very thin line of Brahmanadi. In the

> beginning only a hair like thing rises, it pierces through; in some

> people ,of course, in a big way it rises also. And then it pierces

> this fontanel bone area which is a real baptism, real. Today only

> people felt the cool breeze coming out of their heads. Can you do

> that by jumping, or by paying money? They felt the cool breeze in

> the hand. It's written in the Bible, even in the Bible very clearly,

> that it's the cool breeze, cool breeze is the sign of the Holy

> Ghost. You start feeling the cool breeze in your hands and you start

> feeling the cool breeze on your head. This is the actualization.

>

> Of course, you people don't read other books which are very good,

> like Adi Shankaracharya, People don't even like the mention of his

> name who has really and clearly said that it is the cool breeze; the

> chaitanya is to be felt like cool breeze in the hands. They do not

> want that you should know the truth. And this is the truth that when

> you get your realization, you have to feel the cool breeze in your

> hands yourself. You have to judge yourself. I'm not going to tell

> you. It is you who has to see, it is you who has to feel, and then

> you have to grow and you have to know all and everything; all the

> secrets of Divine Science. You become the master then, you are the

> guru.

>

> You are the Spirit, and you should get it. It's your own which is

> given to you. I have nothing to do about it. I'm just a catalyst. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> Maccabean Hall, Australia on March 22, 1981

>

>

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Violet,

> >

> > You told me that " Christians still do not know that they are

> > supposed to look for a Cool Breeze, because the Pentecostals don't

> > teach that. The Pentecostals teach about the Gifts of the Spirit. "

> >

> > If you do not mind, can you elaborate/edit the same points and

> > post it on the forum? i think this is a major topic that needs

> > public discussion so that its manifestation and implications can

> > be compared viz a viz mainstream Christianity. The self-

> > verification of Cool Breeze experienced by those who get their

> > Second Birth from the Spirit within themselves is the force de

> > rigeur of Sahaja Yoga.

> >

> > The Pentecostal churches do not teach about the Cool Breeze

> > because their pastors have absolute no power to give Second Birth.

> >

> > The Cool Breeze comes from within and this evidence must be self-

> > verified by the seeker to know that he/she is truly born of the

> > Spirit. This Divine power lies within the person, a miracle of

> > God's direct action to fulfill His Promise to humanity.

> >

> > There are tens of thousands of SYs who experience this Cool Breeze

> > daily. Let us not forget the hundreds of thousands of seekers who

> > did feel this Cool Breeze over countless numbers of SY public

> > programs and health fairs but left because, since they were never

> > told the Truth, found it no big deal as they could not relate it

> > to their religious upbringing. Perhaps in future many of these

> > seekers, and Pentecostal churchgoers too, may find out that the

> > Wind that the Disciples of Jesus felt on the Day of Pentecost is a

> > daily experience for those taking part in the Resurrection and

> > Last Judgment.

> >

> > with love and season's greetings,

> >

> >

> > jagbir

 

 

 

Dear Jagbir and All,

 

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

 

" You told me that " Christians still do not know that they are supposed to look

for a Cool Breeze, because the Pentecostals don't teach that. The Pentecostals

teach about the Gifts of the Spirit. " (End Quote)

 

(Jagbir... that is correct. Christians still do not know that they are supposed

to look for a Cool Breeze. Neither traditional christians nor pentecostal

christians know that.)

 

 

" If you do not mind, can you elaborate/edit the same points and post it on the

forum? " (End Quote)

 

(i will do my best, Jagbir. People from non-Christian spiritual backgrounds

though... may need a bit of background information first. With discussion,

spiritual understanding can perhaps be reached. There is much to clear up and

simplify in Christianity, because it has become a complicated thing due to the

misconceptions, misinterpretions and misunderstandings that have collected over

the centuries since Shri Jesus was on Earth and gave His Pristine Divine

Teachings.)

 

 

" i think this is a major topic that needs public discussion so that its

manifestation and implications can be compared viz a viz mainstream

Christianity. The self-verification of Cool Breeze experienced by those who get

their Second Birth from the Spirit within themselves is the force de rigeur of

Sahaja Yoga. " (End Quote)

 

(i totally agree with you that this " is " a major topic that needs public

discussion. It is such a major topic that a person cannot write about it in one

post (i don't think)... and discussion brings out many points for our collective

spiritual understanding. i believe it is important that the varying spiritual

traditions develop a 'common understanding of spirituality'... which i know you

are working on 'day in day out'. After all... the original Teachers

(Incarnations)... agreed on all the basic and essential principles. And if they

are from God, why should they not agree? That which does not agree... " cannot

therefore " be from God. This is just 'plain old logic'.

 

In fact, i am sure it will be quite surprising what will come out of such

continuing discussion. i am sure it will go a long way to help reach a

collective spiritual understanding and therefore more spiritual agreement among

all people, regardless of which spiritual tradition they come from.

 

For example... Sahaja Yogis know " without any doubt whatsoever " (and they have

come from varying spiritual backgrounds too)... that they feel the Cool Breeze

of the Holy Ghost as a sign that they have had their Second Birth. They actually

feel it as a cool breeze, that is not an ordinary wind that blows when it is a

windy day. This wind also blows " when it is not a windy day " . This happened on

the Day of Pentecost. It also happens today. It cannot be replicated or conjured

or manufactured. It is the Living Spirit that produces the Divine Wind. It is

written about in the Koran and in the Bible and mystics from various spiritual

traditions also wrote about it in poetry.

 

However, this Truth has remained unknown by both traditional christians and

pentecostal christians. Why is this so? What could be the reason? At least the

pentecostal christians are trying to get some understanding on it, however, as

they are following Apostle Paul's teachings instead of Shri Jesus, the Christ's

teachings... they have somewhat gone 'off the straight and narrow' that leads to

the Kingdom of God within. The shocking truth that Christians need to realise is

that Pauline Christianity and Jesus the Christ's teachings actually do not agree

in a lot of ways. For example, Shri Jesus said that the sign of the Holy Spirit

is " like the Wind but you do not know where it comes from and where it is

going " ... whereas the followers of Apostle Paul say that " speaking in tongues "

is the sign of the coming of the Holy Spirit. Apostle Paul, in fact says: " I

thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all. " (I Corinthians 14:18 - KJV)

 

Jagbir... over time, we could take each individual teaching of Paul and compare

it to each comparable individual teaching of Jesus, the Christ... and 'that way'

remove the 'smoke-and-mirrors' effect... so everyone can see plainly what

theologians also now see. This is that Pauline Christianity and Jesus's

teachings are different. The more a person researches into this... the more they

will be dismayed at the differences. (This does not mean that everything is in

disagreement; however, there should not be discrepancy on so many points.)

Apostle Paul seems to misunderstand what Shri Jesus taught. It only takes a

little misunderstanding to eventuate in a chasm of misunderstanding... over

time.

 

The thing is... " Sahaja Yogis know " ... that a person cannot receive their Second

Birth and subsequent spiritual gifts by a minister putting some 'power' into the

person 'as in the pentecostal way'. Apostle Paul was a pentecostal. As stated

already, he said: " I speak in tongues more than you all. " (I Corinthians 14:18)

However, i have never once heard of Shri Jesus Christ even mentioning about

" speaking in tongues " . i have heard about the disciples of Jesus experiencing

the Wind on the Day of Pentecost, and them seeing tongues of flames over their

heads, and they spoke in different languages, which the Holy Spirit gave them

utterance, so that they could give the message out in many languages. However,

even at the Day of Pentecost, there is no mention of " speaking in tongues " as in

the 'pentecostal glossolalia experience'. Apostle Paul was not an initiate of

Shri Jesus. He was not even born while Shri Jesus was on Earth. So... where did

Paul get initiated into " speaking in tongues " in the first place? None of this

is mentioned by him in the bible. Maybe he wanted the Baptism of the Holy Spirit

so badly that he ended up " speaking in tongues " ... if you know what i mean.

However, Sahaja Yogis do not speak in tongues. There is something 'not quite

right' about this 'speaking in tongues' business.

 

In fact... Sahaja Yogis " know " ... that the Holy Spirit Power is within the

person, and located in their Sacrum Bone... until it awakens. This Holy Spirit

Power is called the " Kundalini Power " . It cannot be passed on from someone who

does not have this kundalini power awakened in them. When this dormant energy

awakens (usually through a catalyst, which is someone who already has it

awakened within themselves)... the Kundalini Power (the Holy Spirit Herself)

arises and baptises the person.

 

No external person can give another person the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Only

the Holy Spirit, Adi Shakti, Ruh of Allah, Shekinah, Great Mother, Aykaa Mayee,

Maitreya (depending upon which Name you prefer to call Her)... CAN ALONE GIVE IT

TO YOU. She is your Individual Spiritual Mother within you... that give you your

Spiritual Birth... just as you have a physcial mother that gives you your

physical birth. However, your Spiritual Mother incarnates with you from lifetime

to lifetime. She knows you 'heaps better' than your physical mother can ever

possibly know you... and that is not to disparage your physical mother. It is

just a fact.)

 

 

" The Pentecostal churches do not teach about the Cool Breeze because their

pastors have absolute no power to give Second Birth. " (End Quote)

 

(This is the thing. Pentecostal pastors have not had their kundalini energy

awakened themselves. Most probably do not even " know " about the kundalini energy

within the sacrum bone (sacred bone) because all Hindu knowledge was rejected by

christians. Now however, many pentecostals are looking at other spiritual

traditions for knowledge they do not have, so things may be changing. However,

in a lot of cases, it is just to find better answers that suit their own

religious theories, which is not the same as just having an open heart and mind

to find out what is the Absolute Truth... come what may.

 

That is also why Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has incarnated... to give them (and

others) the Absolute Truth on all these subjects... setting the record straight

regarding all the misconceptions and misinterpretations... so they will not have

to remain in spiritual ignorance and spiritual division between the different

christian denominations and other spiritual traditions as well. After all... we

are all part and parcel of one human family. After all... there is only ONE

UNITED KINGDOM OF GOD. If you are 'for division' you cannot enter this kingdom.

Only those who want to be united in Spirit, can enter this kingdom. There are

not separate Kingdoms of God for the different christian denominations and/or

different spiritual traditions. We are going to have to come to " some " Spiritual

Unity therefore, first from within... and then this will manifest without.

 

No incarnation came to create religions which divide people according to

man-made doctrines and dogmas. Study Shri Jesus Christ's teachings, and you will

find no such doctrines and dogmas which Apostle Paul teaches. Once Christians

realise the Absolute Truth... then they too will come to know the Cool Breeze of

the Holy Ghost... as experienced by the disciples of Jesus on the Day of

Pentecost.

 

Pentecostals stress the " Day of Pentecost " very much. They even take their

'name' from that 'Day of Pentecost'. It should be their spiritual birthright

therefore, to have a correct understanding of these things. When pentecostals

find out the Absolute Truth on this subject and live it, there will be no

stopping them. The positive message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection will

then spread like wildfire. There will be no hesitation on that major subject, as

it is with WCASY and followers of WCASY.)

 

 

" The Cool Breeze comes from within and this evidence must be self-verified by

the seeker to know that he/she is truly born of the Spirit. This Divine power

lies within the person, a miracle of God's direct action to fulfill His Promise

to humanity.

 

There are tens of thousands of SYs who experience this Cool Breeze daily. Let us

not forget the hundreds of thousands of seekers who did feel this Cool Breeze

over countless numbers of SY public programs and health fairs but left because,

since they were never told the Truth, found it no big deal as they could not

relate it to their religious upbringing. Perhaps in future many of these

seekers, and Pentecostal churchgoers too, may find out that the Wind that the

Disciples of Jesus felt on the Day of Pentecost is a daily experience for those

taking part in the Resurrection and Last Judgment. " (End Quote)

 

(That many seekers and pentecostal churchgoers will find out that the Wind that

the Disciples of Jesus felt on the Day of Pentecost is a daily experience for

those taking part in the Resurrection and Last Judgment... is the desired

outcome and why we work hard at getting this most important message out. Shri

Mataji has asked us no less than to declare that She is the Holy Ghost and that

She has come for this special time, which is the Resurrection Time:

 

" Declare to all the nations now, that I am the Holy Ghost and I have come for

this special time... that is the resurrection time " .

(Birthday Puja - Sydney - 21 March 1983)

 

 

 

'Therefore'... taking account of all the above facts... 'as stated'... i feel it

is important to give some background information upon which to base an

understanding of Christianity and the Second Birth. Facts which have already

been stated above, may be repeated in going over this expansive subject that

includes the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, Second Birth, self-realisation,

salvation (a.k.a. spiritual liberation)... and so forth. This will probably not

be the only discussion on it either, because as Jagbir has said... many things

need to be discussed. However... these are the really essential and pivotal

subjects that need to be addressed... as everything else revolves around these

basic essentials.

 

How many times did Shri Mataji repeat the very same things... over and over

again in different ways? So... please bear with those who go into the " nitty

gritty " of it all. " Pauline Christianity is not a simple thing " . It is quite

complicated. This is because instead of following the Christ's teachings and

applying those teachings to their lives, people started to follow Apostle Paul's

(and other) man-made teachings instead. When this happens, things get

complicated! You could compare it to how it is much easier to follow Shri

Mataji's teachings of Truth because of their 'consistency' rather than trying to

follow WCASY's truths because of their 'inconsistencies'. Absolute Truth is

never inconsistent. That is why it is known as " Absolute Truth " . Whenever their

is some 'inconsistency'... you can be sure that man has put his edit on it in

some way.

 

'The thing is'... whenever 'man' puts stress on something out of character with

the way the Incarnation 'gave it'... great complications happen which increase

in complexity over time. The complications may not be apparent 'early in the

piece' but 'down the track'... a chasm of misunderstanding and misinterpretation

of the Incarnation's teachings becomes apparent. 'Today'... this is quite

noticeable with regards to Apostle Paul's teachings, which is why theologians

call his the " Pauline Christianity " . It is not any more Jesus the Christ's

Christianity... you see! And as stated, theologians are very aware of this

already.

 

The important thing to remember about Paul, though... is that he was not there

when Jesus, the Christ was on Earth. He was not a disciple of Jesus. 'Bluntly

speaking'... Shri Mataji has called the Apostle Paul " an imposter " in fact. This

might be shocking to some, however this is what the Incarnation of the Holy

Spirit, Shri Mataji... has told Sahaja Yogis. Apostle Paul seems to have usurped

Shri Jesus's teachings, and this will probably be revealed ever more clearly on

detailed examination of Jesus's teachings in comparison with what Apostle Paul

teaches. It is common sense to do this. It is a logical thing to do too. We have

to be like scientists and compare what the Incarnations said... to what mere man

says. When they do not tally, then something has gone amiss.

 

 

NOTE: Christians use and read different versions of the Bible. They don't

generally confine themselves to the King James Version. They like to make

comparative studies, using the different versions. This can be easily seen if a

person searches the Christian Bible Study Websites where they will find all the

comparative versions given. The reason for this is so that people can get the

maximum of spiritual meaning and understanding from the scriptures. What a

person may not grasp the full meaning of in one version... they may be able to

ascertain from another version.

 

Also... depending on the particular passage or verse of the bible being studied,

the best translation can also be found that best suits one's own spiritual

and/or church worldview. i have noticed that in christendom in general... that

certain versions of the Bible are sometimes considered to be more compatible

than others. Often the scholars worked with particular denominational worldviews

in mind. However, to the nominal christian... or reader from another spiritual

tradition... this difference will not be picked up, because a person has to know

what they are looking for. There are times when i have been disappointed with

'modern-day-version-rendering of the Bible' with regard to particular scriptural

passages... and therefore have opted for the King James Version.

 

However, the King James Version contains many words that are not in common

English usage anymore; after all its first publication was in 1611:

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Bible) This makes instant comprehension

difficult at times... especially for the young people. So... although different

congregations may recommend a particular version, they will most probably leave

it to the individual to choose their preferred version. In my experience, i have

not found any hard or fast rule about it. At the very least anyway... the King

James Version is not touted the way it used to be. There is not this strict

adherence to the King James Version of the Bible anymore like there used to be.

 

All in all, i don't think i would be too far wrong in saying that the KJV is

mainly used as a 'backup-base-line-of-reference' and the

'church-accepted-and-preferred-version' or the 'minister's-preferred-version'

will generally be used instead. As stated already, this tends to vary from

denomination to denomination and even from church to church in some cases... in

my experience. Ministers usually state what version they are reading from at a

church service. Also... as already stated... having the young people understand

the bible is of the " most vital importance " to christian churches today.

 

 

The difference between Traditional Christians and Pentecostal Christians...

 

To start with... in the 1960's and 70's, non-pentecostalism (traditional

christianity) and pentecostalism were very clearly divided according to what

chapter of Apostle Paul's teaching a congregation followed. In particular... if

the congregation followed chapter 12 of his First Epistle to the Corinthians...

which is about " the Gifts of the Spirit " , then the congregation or church were

" pentecostal " . If you did not follow chapter 12 about " the Gifts of the

Spirit " ... then you were " not " a pentecostal.

 

Traditional christians ignored chapter 12 in favour of chapter 13 which is about

" Love " . Traditional christians also followed what is called " the Fruits of the

Spirit " ... which is comparable to " the Qualities of the Spirit " in Sahaja Yoga.

 

The best way to understand this difference is to read both chapters 12 and 13...

keeping in mind that 'pentecostals particularly stress' chapter 12 (while also

accepting chapter 13) and non-pentecostals mostly choose to ignore chapter 12,

preferring to opt for chapter 13. Pentecostals stress " The Gifts of the Spirit " ,

while non-pentecostals stress " Love " and " the Fruits of the Spirit " . Whereas

pentecostals believe that the Gifts of the Spirit are given today,

non-pentecostals believe that they were given " Once-Off " in the earlier

Spiritual Dispensation when Jesus was on Earth 'For them'... 'it does not happen

today'. (At least... that is what their pastors and priests tell them.)

 

Here then is the biblical passage about " the Fruits of the Spirit " ... after

which i have appended chapters 12 (The Gifts of the Spirit) and chapter 13

(Love):

 

 

" Fruits of the Spirit "

The Epistle of Paul to the Galatians (New International Version) -

 

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,

goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things

there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful

nature with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us

keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and

envying each other. (Galatians 5:22-26)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galations%205; & version=31;

 

 

" Spiritual Gifts "

The First Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians (New International Version)-

 

1 Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. 2 You

know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led

astray to mute idols. 3 Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the

Spirit of God says, " Jesus be cursed, " and no one can say, " Jesus is Lord, "

except by the Holy Spirit.

 

4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are different

kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but

the same God works all of them in all men.

 

7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.

8 To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the

message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same

Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous

powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to

another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the

interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit,

and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.

 

12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its

parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13 For we were all

baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and

we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

 

14 Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15 If the foot should

say, " Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body, " it would not for

that reason cease to be part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, " Because

I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body, " it would not for that reason

cease to be part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the

sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of

smell be? 18 But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of

them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would

the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.

 

21 The eye cannot say to the hand, " I don't need you! " And the head cannot say

to the feet, " I don't need you! " 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body

that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are

less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable

are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special

treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater

honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the

body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one

part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part

rejoices with it.

 

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And

in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third

teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those

able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in

different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all

teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in

tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But eagerly desire[e] the greater gifts. And now I

will show you the most excellent way. (I Corinthians 12:1-31)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=I%20Corinthians%2012:1-31; & version=3\

1;

 

 

" Love "

The First Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians (New International Version) -

 

1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a

resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can

fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move

mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the

poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

 

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not

proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it

keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the

truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

 

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there

are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the

imperfect disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought

like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways

behind me. 12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see

face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully

known.

 

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these

is love. (I Corinthians 13:1-13)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53 & chapter=13 & version=31

 

 

 

Jagbir... traditional christians follow chapter 13. They believe in the

excellence of love and therefore choose to ignore or turn a blind eye to the

spiritual gifts. Pentecostals, on the other hand... accept both chapters. They

believe what Apostle Paul said, which is that the spiritual gifts are important

to pursue. It is a well-known fact, therefore... that each generally disapproves

of the other's stance. Traditional christians consider " speaking in tongues " to

be a spiritual aberration and a sign of fanaticism. In other words, they

consider pentecostals to be fanatical.

 

On the other hand, pentecostal christians tend to consider traditional

christians 'not to be following the Full Gospel'. After all... Apostle Paul

admitted to 'speaking in tongues'. He said: " I thank God, I speak in tongues

more than you all; " (I Corinthians 14:18) Apostle Paul was therefore 'a

pentecostal' and not a traditionalist. Apostle Paul also refers to the 'speaking

in tongues' to be the lowliest spiritual gift... 'yet with special honour':

 

" And the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor " (I

Corinthians 12:23)

 

This is why pentecostals believe that 'speaking in tongues' has the special

honour to be the sign that someone has received their 'Baptism of the Holy

Spirit'. That is why... if a pentecostal is not yet able to 'speak in

tongues'... they will have another 'laying on of hands' by the minister to

ensure this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laying_on_of_hands)

 

Because it is an 'actual experience'... pentecostalism has grown in leaps and

bounds. People believe in the pentecostal 'Baptism of the Holy Spirit' because

they have had 'an experience' and because they can 'speak in tongues'. It is a

powerful aberration over the human psychosomatic system. However, i 'have been

there and done that' and i am a Sahaja Yogi now, and i know that this is not the

real Baptism of the Holy Spirit at all. Just like traditional Christians

believe... it is fanaticism. The sign of the real Baptism of the Holy Spirit is

the Cool Breeze of the Holy Spirit... and this is according to Jesus. Nowhere

have i read Shri Jesus saying that 'some sort of speaking in tongues' is a sign

of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit!:

 

Words of Shri Jesus...

 

" The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know

where it comes from and where it is going; SO IS EVERYONE WHO IS BORN OF THE

SPIRIT " (John 3:8)

 

Therefore i challenge any pentecostal to find any teaching from Jesus, because

it is not there. It is Apostle Paul's teaching. It is " Pauline Christianity " ...

not the Incarnation's teachings. However, thousands of Sahaja Yogis have had

their real Baptism of the Holy Spirit... as evidenced by a Cool Breeze of the

Holy Ghost... just as Jesus describes in John 3:8. This is the real Baptism. The

Cool Breeze is an experience too. It also cannot be faked. And not one Sahaja

Yogi has 'spoken in tongues'.

 

However, unlike the 60's and 70's... from what i can see... pentecostalism seems

to be in the ascendancy now. Many people are being 'taken in' by it. Many

freelance pentecostal preachers are also teaching even further aberrations as

they get deeper and deeper into the collective subconscious (past) and

supraconscious (future). The place to be is in the collective

superconsciousness, which is to be in the present or presence of Holy Spirit

Power.

 

So... the dharma is in shambles, because with fanaticism comes psychosomatic

imbalance. Looking back to my time in pentecostalism and being able to use Sahaj

Understanding to describe it... i can say that it drained me. It was exhausting

with highs and lows, like a drug that you filled up on each Sunday, Wednesday,

and Friday. All you have to do is check out a pentecostal service, and you will

see what i am talking about.

 

Nevertheless... this is what is preached:

 

" Speaking in other tongues was the first physical manifestation of the Holy

Spirit baptism throughout the book of Acts (Acts 2:4; 10:46; 19:6). Once you

have asked for this baptism, ask God to anoint you. Then in praise and worship,

wait for the anointing. This witness of tongues will come forth. Expect it!

Rejoice in it! You are a unique individual, and your experiences will be your

own.

 

God wants us to communicate with Him, learn about Him, hear His voice, do His

will and be baptized with His Spirit. He also wants us to conform to the example

given us by the Holy Spirit to help you accomplish all of the things that are

important. The Holy Spirit contributes to your life every moment of every day.

He helps you understand the Bible, He teaches you truth, and helps you to pray.

 

One of the principles of the Kingdom of God concerns being in agreement with Him

and with another person as you pray. Be encouraged to ask a Spirit-filled

Christian such as one of our prayer partners to pray with you. "

http://crossroads.ca/response/baptism.htm

(End Quote)

 

i therefore agree with what you say Jagbir that " perhaps in future many of these

seekers, and Pentecostal churchgoers too, may find out that the Wind that the

Disciples of Jesus felt on the Day of Pentecost is a daily experience for those

taking part in the Resurrection and Last Judgment " .

 

warmest regards,

 

violet