December 25 marks a pagan festival, the birth of the sun god at winter solstice.

December 20, 2005

, " jagbir singh "

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>

> And Christmas is just round the corner to celebrate the birth of

> Jesus, another collective lie the traces its source from the

> Church. But we can console ourselves since Santa shares that with

> the Savior and children wait in joy and anticipation for his

> arrival. (i heard that even though he is just a century old Santa

> beats Jesus hands down in popularity and gifts of the season, not

> Spirit, .............. even among adults.) Is it any wonder why

> it was necessary for the Adi Shakti to take birth and, among many

> things, bring to remembrance about Christ? Most Christian

> preachers have conveniently forgotten that too and do not teach it

> anymore. Just like their inability to bring forth the Cool Breeze

> of those born of the Spirit, they just add thunder to what they

> lack in lightning.

>

" We do not know at what time of the year Jesus was actually born.

For some time there was a wide range of speculation; one third-

century text sets the date as 28 March by reasoning that the world

would have to be perfect, with trees in leaf and flowers in bloom,

and the day would have to be a Wednesday because in Genesis the sun

and the moon are created on the fourth day. But by the fourth

century at the latest, dates around the midwinter solstice came to

prevail. The season coincided with Roman festivals, including 25

December as the day celebrating the unconquered sun. The Christian

idea of a birth that would bring new blessing seemed to be readily

associated with the annual renewal of the sun's radiance. Many early

Christians gave greater attention to the baptism of Jesus than to

his birth. "

Professor Willard G. Oxtoby, World Religions: Western Traditions,

Oxford University Press, 1996, p. 221.

" Whereas scientists have tested the stories of Creation to see if

they correspond to facts, it is for historians to test the stories

of the Nativity to see if they correspond to historical truth. It is

not that there was no Nativity or that Jesus was not a historical

person. The question is merely whether the Gospels' stories knew

when and where he was born. This question was decisively answered by

a Christian minister, Emil Schuerer, in his massive History of the

Jewish People which began to appear in 1885. What Schuerer

demonstrated still underlines all informed discussion of the truth.

There have been many attempts to evade it since 1885, but when

Schuerer's great work was revised in a new English edition in 1973,

its two eminent revisers answered these attempts in their supporting

notes and correctly left his main discussion of the Nativity

unchanged ...

A middle-aged Jesus, crucified in his late forties, an expulsion

from Eden not for sex but for fear that humans would steal eternal

life: these stories are true to texts in the Bible, but they

challenge many centuries of contrary interpretation. Yet as they

stand, the stories of Creation and Nativity are untrue: they do not

correspond to the facts or cohere between themselves. We can argue

with renewed confidence for the date when Jesus died (March 36),

but, like early Christians, we do not know exactly when or where he

was born. By c. 200 there were Christians who argued that the birth

had occurred in November 3 BC (miscalculating the date of King

Herod's death), while others argued for mid May or mid April (the

date of conception, others maintained.)

Not until the mid fourth century AD are Christians known to have

been celebrating Christmas on 25 December. Previously, the date had

been marked by a pagan festival, the birth of the sun god at the

winter solstice. It was a deliberate retort by Christians in the

western parts of the Roman Empire to choose the date as a festival

of the birth of their new god, Christ. Not every Christian agreed.

In the eastern part of the empire, other Christians fixed the date

of the Nativity as 6 January, the time of another great pagan

festival. If the pagans were having a huge household holiday, the

Christians, still a minority, need one, too, to keep the members of

their own celebrations. Christmas, therefore, settled down in our

calendar not through certainty but through conflict, in a battle of

festivals between the Christians and the pagan majority among whom

they lived. "

Robin Lane Fox, The Unauthorized Version: Truth and fiction in the

Bible, Penguin Books Ltd, 1991, p. 27-38.

" Jesus was not born on December 25. He was born about October 1, a

time of the year when shepherds kept their flocks out-of-doors at

night. (Luke 2:8-12) Jesus never commanded Christians to celebrate

his birth. Rather, he told his disciples to memorialize, or remember

his death. (Luke 22:19, 20) "

Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society

" The Pope has caused a stir on numerous occasions during the past

two years by challenging long-held Catholic notions. Two years ago,

he pronounced that the theory of evolution was compatible with the

biblical account of human origins, and less than two months ago

issued an encyclical stating that science and faith were compatible

as two different, but complementary, methods for apprehending the

truth. He also recently acknowledged historical research which notes

that December 25th was not actually Christ's birthday, but a

convenient date borrowed by early Christians from pagan winter

festivals. "

Corbin Andrews, Modernizing God's Image

(National Post, January 20, 1999)

" And the symbol of Ganesha on one side is Christ. He symbolized

Ganesha. So both of them are worshipped only on Diwali. Actually

this is the Christmas. This is the real Christmas that was before

also and this was the time baby Christ was born — Not the 25th of

December. It's a misunderstanding . . . the darkest night where

there is no moon, absolutely that is the day when we celebrate

Diwali . . . And that is the time when Christ was born. That's why

lights are put on in the night because He was born at 12 o'clock in

the night . . . Now see, symbolically, Christ is born and the New

Year is celebrated. Next day, as soon as He is born, new year

started. "

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Diwali Puja — November 11, 1980

December 28, 2005

JSM Can SY tell tht is it posibble to download Shri Mata Ji lectures.that could be a great thing as i happen to travel quite a lot. Thanks JSM Saurabhjagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: , "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org> wrote:> > And Christmas is just round the corner to celebrate the birth of > Jesus, another collective lie the traces its source from the > Church. But we can console ourselves since Santa shares that with > the Savior and children wait in joy and anticipation for his > arrival. (i heard that even though he is just a century old Santa > beats Jesus hands down in popularity and gifts

of the season, not > Spirit, .............. even among adults.) Is it any wonder why > it was necessary for the Adi Shakti to take birth and, among many > things, bring to remembrance about Christ? Most Christian > preachers have conveniently forgotten that too and do not teach it > anymore. Just like their inability to bring forth the Cool Breeze > of those born of the Spirit, they just add thunder to what they > lack in lightning.> "We do not know at what time of the year Jesus was actually born. For some time there was a wide range of speculation; one third-century text sets the date as 28 March by reasoning that the world would have to be perfect, with trees in leaf and flowers in bloom, and the day would have to be a Wednesday because in Genesis the sun and the moon are created on the fourth day. But by the fourth century at the latest, dates around the midwinter solstice came

to prevail. The season coincided with Roman festivals, including 25 December as the day celebrating the unconquered sun. The Christian idea of a birth that would bring new blessing seemed to be readily associated with the annual renewal of the sun's radiance. Many early Christians gave greater attention to the baptism of Jesus than to his birth."Professor Willard G. Oxtoby, World Religions: Western Traditions, Oxford University Press, 1996, p. 221."Whereas scientists have tested the stories of Creation to see if they correspond to facts, it is for historians to test the stories of the Nativity to see if they correspond to historical truth. It is not that there was no Nativity or that Jesus was not a historical person. The question is merely whether the Gospels' stories knew when and where he was born. This question was decisively answered by a Christian minister, Emil Schuerer, in his massive History of the

Jewish People which began to appear in 1885. What Schuerer demonstrated still underlines all informed discussion of the truth. There have been many attempts to evade it since 1885, but when Schuerer's great work was revised in a new English edition in 1973, its two eminent revisers answered these attempts in their supporting notes and correctly left his main discussion of the Nativity unchanged ...A middle-aged Jesus, crucified in his late forties, an expulsion from Eden not for sex but for fear that humans would steal eternal life: these stories are true to texts in the Bible, but they challenge many centuries of contrary interpretation. Yet as they stand, the stories of Creation and Nativity are untrue: they do not correspond to the facts or cohere between themselves. We can argue with renewed confidence for the date when Jesus died (March 36), but, like early Christians, we do not know exactly when or where he

was born. By c. 200 there were Christians who argued that the birth had occurred in November 3 BC (miscalculating the date of King Herod's death), while others argued for mid May or mid April (the date of conception, others maintained.)Not until the mid fourth century AD are Christians known to have been celebrating Christmas on 25 December. Previously, the date had been marked by a pagan festival, the birth of the sun god at the winter solstice. It was a deliberate retort by Christians in the western parts of the Roman Empire to choose the date as a festival of the birth of their new god, Christ. Not every Christian agreed. In the eastern part of the empire, other Christians fixed the date of the Nativity as 6 January, the time of another great pagan festival. If the pagans were having a huge household holiday, the Christians, still a minority, need one, too, to keep the members of their own celebrations. Christmas,

therefore, settled down in our calendar not through certainty but through conflict, in a battle of festivals between the Christians and the pagan majority among whom they lived."Robin Lane Fox, The Unauthorized Version: Truth and fiction in the Bible, Penguin Books Ltd, 1991, p. 27-38."Jesus was not born on December 25. He was born about October 1, a time of the year when shepherds kept their flocks out-of-doors at night. (Luke 2:8-12) Jesus never commanded Christians to celebrate his birth. Rather, he told his disciples to memorialize, or remember his death. (Luke 22:19, 20)"Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society"The Pope has caused a stir on numerous occasions during the past two years by challenging long-held Catholic notions. Two years ago, he pronounced that the theory of evolution was compatible with the biblical account of human origins, and less than two months ago issued an encyclical

stating that science and faith were compatible as two different, but complementary, methods for apprehending the truth. He also recently acknowledged historical research which notes that December 25th was not actually Christ's birthday, but a convenient date borrowed by early Christians from pagan winter festivals."Corbin Andrews, Modernizing God's Image(National Post, January 20, 1999)"And the symbol of Ganesha on one side is Christ. He symbolized Ganesha. So both of them are worshipped only on Diwali. Actually this is the Christmas. This is the real Christmas that was before also and this was the time baby Christ was born — Not the 25th of December. It's a misunderstanding . . . the darkest night where there is no moon, absolutely that is the day when we celebrate Diwali . . . And that is the time when Christ was born. That's why lights are put on in the night because He was born at 12 o'clock in the night

.. . . Now see, symbolically, Christ is born and the New Year is celebrated. Next day, as soon as He is born, new year started."Shri Mataji Nirmala DeviDiwali Puja — November 11, 1980 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.