I believe that this Spirit ... will come in time, to open this world to God

January 2, 2006

, " Chuck "

<chuckhennigan@s...> wrote:

>

> It really is hard for me to understand how someone can be so

> judegmental and even harbor ill feelings toward someone else just

> because of religion. Christianity teaches Love, but without the

> Holy Spirit, Carnal things of this world become more important than

> Divine Love. The cool breeze from the Holy Spirit is the comfortor

> that Jesus promised all of us. Shri Mataji came here to give

> everyone self realization and did this by teaching me that I am a

> Spirit, that I am to forgive myself and everyone else, that I am

> not guilty, and I am my own master. Once I became self realized, I

> was reborn of the Spirit, (realizing I am a Spirit). I then wanted

> to become my own master which I am doing this through knowledge.

> But none of this is possible without the Divine Love of the Holy

> Spirit.

>

" So it needs to be clearly said that the God presence of this Jesus

will lead us ultimately beyond every religious definition. Indeed, it

will lead beyond Jesus himself. That becomes essential to human

development whenever our idolatrous convictions identify the

messenger of God with God. So the Ground of Being will finally be

worshipped apart from any system of religious thought. It is a

startling but real insight into the future of worship.

I believe in that gift of the Spirit who was called " the giver of

life. " Once we located God only externally, and called this God the

Father Almighty. Next, we located this God in Jesus, and we called

him the Son Incarnate. Now we locate God in every person, and we call

this God the Holy Spirit. I believe that this Spirit inevitably

creates a community of faith that will come, in time, to open this

world to God as the very Ground of its life and Being. . . .

Religion is, therefore, not what we have always thought it to be.

Religion is not a system of belief. It is not a catalogue of revealed

truth. It is not an activity designed to control behavior, to reward

virtue, and to punish vice. Religion is, rather, a human attempt to

process the God experience, which breaks forth from our own depths

and wells up constantly within us. We must lay down, therefore, the

primitive claims we have made for our religious traditions. None of

them is drawn from outworldly revelations. None of them is inerrant

or infallible. None of them represents the only way to God. None of

them can be used legitimately to coerce or compel another to belief.

All evangelical and missionary activities designed to convert the

heathen are base born. They are expressions of our sense of

superiority and our hostility toward those who are different. The

only divine mission in life that the Church of the future could

possibly have is to open people to the recognition that the ground of

their very being is holy and that when they are in touch with that

holy Ground of Being, they can share in God's creation by giving

life, love, and being to others. That is the task of those who claim

to be God bearers. The Christians of the world are not here to build

institutions, to convert other people, or even to claim that we can

speak for God. Those aspects of our religious heritage must be

sacrificed as the premodern misunderstandings of our primitive

history. We are now exile people. "

John Shelby Spong, Why Christianity Must Change Or Die: A Bishop

Speaks To Believers In Exile, HarperCollins Publishers, 1998, p. 224-

26.

January 2, 2006

It is so amazing to me how many different beliefs everyone holds, and yet

everyone thinks THEY have it RIGHT, and yet, they all want to BE ONE, and

think they are ALL RIGHT they say, on one hand, then they say, ONLY WE (

this group or that group) are RIght. It is surprising to me, as I have been

in the Pal talk chat rooms, to listen to various religions, and beliefs,

and some say , you do not need churches, you do not need anything just

relationship with Jesus. That may be true, but we need a main meeting place

to join in fellowship, to grow. Hopefully in this FREE country founded on

right to allow faiths, that we do not loose our Christianity, and become a

melting pot of pagan beliefs, which to some extent has already happened. We

do not want to upset anyone, of course, so we all say, it is ok to be a

homosexual, it is ok to molest children, it is ok, to steal, children, it is

ok to do anything, you please, as long as you SAY you have God speaking to

you, and Jesus within you, and the 'cool Breeze' or whatever they may say

they have, they can do anything. Well that is not true. " You will know them

by their fruits " so we know that even manson ( the killer and many others)

thought God was talking to them and telling them, Jim Jones, and many

others. We cannot dispute, what they think, but " You will know them by

their fruits " Their love for one another, and the NON judging and trying to

say WHO has the Jesus within and who does not as that is not up to us to

decide. " We will know them by their " fruits " What do they do for others,

how do they spend EACH waking moment? WHO are they REALLY? That is what it

has to do with. Jesus said " If you cannot live your brother/sister whom you

have seen, how can you love God who you have NOT seen? " " No one at ANY time

has SEEN God as God is Spirit and all must Worship Him in Spirit and truth "

Jesus yes, people have seen. as the FORM of God and we as the IMAGE of God.

But NOT God, at any time. We can ONLY know the true believer by their FRUITS

and how they LOVE others. But No, NO EVERYONE can be right, as their are way

too many people saying whatever they want and interpreting anyway they

please. No, uniformity in the belief, if you have a thought, anyone can open

a chat room, or go on TV, or do anything and teach anything, even say, "

This stone is God " if they WANT to, and THEY will have followers, some

people will believe if they are convincing enough. You can carry around a

piece of cotton and say God, came and cried on it, and His tears are there,

and everyone would follow you around and you will have a following.

So we can only believe the " Fruits of the Spirit, and Love in the Heart "

and watch out for the riducoulous false prophets that make things up as they

go, and just quote, all they can find, from all religions, in the name of

God. It become a mix and match, thing and all we do is lead people to think

EVERYONE is right no matter WHAT they believe, so we will follow whoever

seems right at the time. Then we start following FALSE PROPHETS, who made

things up as they went. I could even go around and start a belief if I so

chose ( and you too) and sure I could have followers if I quoted many

religions and said ALL are welcome to partake what is offered, and if you

are hurting come, and I will help you find the TRUE path back to God " And

all such nonsense. Some would come, and I would get better and better with

time, at it. ( Placing focus on me) I once pastored a Reformed Church for

two years, and no minister wanted the church, they only had 7 people, I

preached, started Sunday school etc, etc, and it grew by leaps and bounds 50

came, and that week I first saw so many in the little church in Randall NY I

was stunned, and said God what have you done? But I went on, with the

ministry, and many loved Jesus even, many really felt that they had found

the truth of God ( and probably so) the drunken people in the bar across the

street found ther way to the church, and I said, " Let them come, as I

cannot go to them and they come and can learn and meet our Lord " They will

change as the Spirit moves inside them, little by little. We will meet them

where they are, HURTING, And they did, Thank God, for that, never ONCE did I

lead people to ME just to Our Lord, so they could have relationship with

Him, NOT ME. Well the church Synod, after accepting me for two years,

decided I did not SUFFER with the Masters Of Divinity School at The Reformed

Church level and could not any longer do it, and they now had found a

RETIRED pastor who wanted the church...... Such nonsense goes on.... Greed.

The credential mean NOTHING to God, it is the FRUITS, and when we get to

paradise no one will ask to see our credentials giving us the RIGHT, to do

such and such, but it is the " Love and the Fruits of the spirit that will

be seen. "

( MY thougts on the subject, of All religions and ALL beliefs are correct)

What is our RELATIONSHIP to the ONE TRUE LORD? ( Am not disputing the cool

breeze, as I have felt that too and the vibrations etc) But where does it

come from ? God, the Spirit of ALL. ( Watch for the fruits, and the love of

the person....)

Love,

Carol Ann

> " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org

>

> " I believe that this Spirit ... will come

>in time, to open this world to God "

>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:07:25 -0000

>

> , " Chuck "

><chuckhennigan@s...> wrote:

> >

> > It really is hard for me to understand how someone can be so

> > judegmental and even harbor ill feelings toward someone else just

> > because of religion. Christianity teaches Love, but without the

> > Holy Spirit, Carnal things of this world become more important than

> > Divine Love. The cool breeze from the Holy Spirit is the comfortor

> > that Jesus promised all of us. Shri Mataji came here to give

> > everyone self realization and did this by teaching me that I am a

> > Spirit, that I am to forgive myself and everyone else, that I am

> > not guilty, and I am my own master. Once I became self realized, I

> > was reborn of the Spirit, (realizing I am a Spirit). I then wanted

> > to become my own master which I am doing this through knowledge.

> > But none of this is possible without the Divine Love of the Holy

> > Spirit.

> >

>

> " So it needs to be clearly said that the God presence of this Jesus

>will lead us ultimately beyond every religious definition. Indeed, it

>will lead beyond Jesus himself. That becomes essential to human

>development whenever our idolatrous convictions identify the

>messenger of God with God. So the Ground of Being will finally be

>worshipped apart from any system of religious thought. It is a

>startling but real insight into the future of worship.

>

>I believe in that gift of the Spirit who was called " the giver of

>life. " Once we located God only externally, and called this God the

>Father Almighty. Next, we located this God in Jesus, and we called

>him the Son Incarnate. Now we locate God in every person, and we call

>this God the Holy Spirit. I believe that this Spirit inevitably

>creates a community of faith that will come, in time, to open this

>world to God as the very Ground of its life and Being. . . .

>

>Religion is, therefore, not what we have always thought it to be.

>Religion is not a system of belief. It is not a catalogue of revealed

>truth. It is not an activity designed to control behavior, to reward

>virtue, and to punish vice. Religion is, rather, a human attempt to

>process the God experience, which breaks forth from our own depths

>and wells up constantly within us. We must lay down, therefore, the

>primitive claims we have made for our religious traditions. None of

>them is drawn from outworldly revelations. None of them is inerrant

>or infallible. None of them represents the only way to God. None of

>them can be used legitimately to coerce or compel another to belief.

>All evangelical and missionary activities designed to convert the

>heathen are base born. They are expressions of our sense of

>superiority and our hostility toward those who are different. The

>only divine mission in life that the Church of the future could

>possibly have is to open people to the recognition that the ground of

>their very being is holy and that when they are in touch with that

>holy Ground of Being, they can share in God's creation by giving

>life, love, and being to others. That is the task of those who claim

>to be God bearers. The Christians of the world are not here to build

>institutions, to convert other people, or even to claim that we can

>speak for God. Those aspects of our religious heritage must be

>sacrificed as the premodern misunderstandings of our primitive

>history. We are now exile people. "

>

>John Shelby Spong, Why Christianity Must Change Or Die: A Bishop

>Speaks To Believers In Exile, HarperCollins Publishers, 1998, p. 224-

>26.

>

January 2, 2006

Dear Carol,

Many words can be said Carol.... many arguments can be made to support any

view/s whatsoever. But that is not what Sahaja Yoga is about. Sahaja Yoga is not

an argument for or against any belief system.

Sahaja Yoga is about going within and experiencing the Silence Within and

learning the Pure Knowledge of the Spirit that a person receives from Within....

rather than all of these external opinions that a person can receive from others

who are not even 'authorized' Christians, because they have never known that

Truth that comes from within.

Carol, i request that you please contemplate this fact very deeply and try and

understand what Sahaja Yoga is really all about.

Kind regards,

Violet

, " danny weaver "

<cdweaver32@h...> wrote:

>

> It is so amazing to me how many different beliefs everyone holds,

and yet

> everyone thinks THEY have it RIGHT, and yet, they all want to BE

ONE, and

> think they are ALL RIGHT they say, on one hand, then they say,

ONLY WE (

> this group or that group) are RIght. It is surprising to me, as I

have been

> in the Pal talk chat rooms, to listen to various religions, and

beliefs,

> and some say , you do not need churches, you do not need anything

just

> relationship with Jesus. That may be true, but we need a main

meeting place

> to join in fellowship, to grow. Hopefully in this FREE country

founded on

> right to allow faiths, that we do not loose our Christianity, and

become a

> melting pot of pagan beliefs, which to some extent has already

happened. We

> do not want to upset anyone, of course, so we all say, it is ok to

be a

> homosexual, it is ok to molest children, it is ok, to steal,

children, it is

> ok to do anything, you please, as long as you SAY you have God

speaking to

> you, and Jesus within you, and the 'cool Breeze' or whatever they

may say

> they have, they can do anything. Well that is not true. " You will

know them

> by their fruits " so we know that even manson ( the killer and many

others)

> thought God was talking to them and telling them, Jim Jones, and

many

> others. We cannot dispute, what they think, but " You will know

them by

> their fruits " Their love for one another, and the NON judging and

trying to

> say WHO has the Jesus within and who does not as that is not up to

us to

> decide. " We will know them by their " fruits " What do they do for

others,

> how do they spend EACH waking moment? WHO are they REALLY? That is

what it

> has to do with. Jesus said " If you cannot live your

brother/sister whom you

> have seen, how can you love God who you have NOT seen? " " No one at

ANY time

> has SEEN God as God is Spirit and all must Worship Him in Spirit

and truth "

> Jesus yes, people have seen. as the FORM of God and we as the

IMAGE of God.

> But NOT God, at any time. We can ONLY know the true believer by

their FRUITS

> and how they LOVE others. But No, NO EVERYONE can be right, as

their are way

> too many people saying whatever they want and interpreting anyway

they

> please. No, uniformity in the belief, if you have a thought,

anyone can open

> a chat room, or go on TV, or do anything and teach anything, even

say, "

> This stone is God " if they WANT to, and THEY will have followers,

some

> people will believe if they are convincing enough. You can carry

around a

> piece of cotton and say God, came and cried on it, and His tears

are there,

> and everyone would follow you around and you will have a following.

>

> So we can only believe the " Fruits of the Spirit, and Love in

the Heart "

> and watch out for the riducoulous false prophets that make things

up as they

> go, and just quote, all they can find, from all religions, in the

name of

> God. It become a mix and match, thing and all we do is lead people

to think

> EVERYONE is right no matter WHAT they believe, so we will follow

whoever

> seems right at the time. Then we start following FALSE PROPHETS,

who made

> things up as they went. I could even go around and start a belief

if I so

> chose ( and you too) and sure I could have followers if I quoted

many

> religions and said ALL are welcome to partake what is offered, and

if you

> are hurting come, and I will help you find the TRUE path back to

God " And

> all such nonsense. Some would come, and I would get better and

better with

> time, at it. ( Placing focus on me) I once pastored a Reformed

Church for

> two years, and no minister wanted the church, they only had 7

people, I

> preached, started Sunday school etc, etc, and it grew by leaps and

bounds 50

> came, and that week I first saw so many in the little church in

Randall NY I

> was stunned, and said God what have you done? But I went on, with

the

> ministry, and many loved Jesus even, many really felt that they

had found

> the truth of God ( and probably so) the drunken people in the bar

across the

> street found ther way to the church, and I said, " Let them come,

as I

> cannot go to them and they come and can learn and meet our Lord "

They will

> change as the Spirit moves inside them, little by little. We will

meet them

> where they are, HURTING, And they did, Thank God, for that, never

ONCE did I

> lead people to ME just to Our Lord, so they could have

relationship with

> Him, NOT ME. Well the church Synod, after accepting me for two

years,

> decided I did not SUFFER with the Masters Of Divinity School at

The Reformed

> Church level and could not any longer do it, and they now had

found a

> RETIRED pastor who wanted the church...... Such nonsense goes

on.... Greed.

> The credential mean NOTHING to God, it is the FRUITS, and when we

get to

> paradise no one will ask to see our credentials giving us the

RIGHT, to do

> such and such, but it is the " Love and the Fruits of the spirit

that will

> be seen. "

>

> ( MY thougts on the subject, of All religions and ALL beliefs are

correct)

> What is our RELATIONSHIP to the ONE TRUE LORD? ( Am not disputing

the cool

> breeze, as I have felt that too and the vibrations etc) But where

does it

> come from ? God, the Spirit of ALL. ( Watch for the fruits, and

the love of

> the person....)

>

> Love,

> Carol Ann

>

> > " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org>

> >

> > " I believe that this Spirit ...

will come

> >in time, to open this world to God "

> >Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:07:25 -0000

> >

> > , " Chuck "

> ><chuckhennigan@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > > It really is hard for me to understand how someone can be so

> > > judegmental and even harbor ill feelings toward someone else

just

> > > because of religion. Christianity teaches Love, but without the

> > > Holy Spirit, Carnal things of this world become more important

than

> > > Divine Love. The cool breeze from the Holy Spirit is the

comfortor

> > > that Jesus promised all of us. Shri Mataji came here to give

> > > everyone self realization and did this by teaching me that I

am a

> > > Spirit, that I am to forgive myself and everyone else, that I

am

> > > not guilty, and I am my own master. Once I became self

realized, I

> > > was reborn of the Spirit, (realizing I am a Spirit). I then

wanted

> > > to become my own master which I am doing this through

knowledge.

> > > But none of this is possible without the Divine Love of the

Holy

> > > Spirit.

> > >

> >

> > " So it needs to be clearly said that the God presence of this

Jesus

> >will lead us ultimately beyond every religious definition.

Indeed, it

> >will lead beyond Jesus himself. That becomes essential to human

> >development whenever our idolatrous convictions identify the

> >messenger of God with God. So the Ground of Being will finally be

> >worshipped apart from any system of religious thought. It is a

> >startling but real insight into the future of worship.

> >

> >I believe in that gift of the Spirit who was called " the giver of

> >life. " Once we located God only externally, and called this God

the

> >Father Almighty. Next, we located this God in Jesus, and we called

> >him the Son Incarnate. Now we locate God in every person, and we

call

> >this God the Holy Spirit. I believe that this Spirit inevitably

> >creates a community of faith that will come, in time, to open this

> >world to God as the very Ground of its life and Being. . . .

> >

> >Religion is, therefore, not what we have always thought it to be.

> >Religion is not a system of belief. It is not a catalogue of

revealed

> >truth. It is not an activity designed to control behavior, to

reward

> >virtue, and to punish vice. Religion is, rather, a human attempt

to

> >process the God experience, which breaks forth from our own depths

> >and wells up constantly within us. We must lay down, therefore,

the

> >primitive claims we have made for our religious traditions. None

of

> >them is drawn from outworldly revelations. None of them is

inerrant

> >or infallible. None of them represents the only way to God. None

of

> >them can be used legitimately to coerce or compel another to

belief.

> >All evangelical and missionary activities designed to convert the

> >heathen are base born. They are expressions of our sense of

> >superiority and our hostility toward those who are different. The

> >only divine mission in life that the Church of the future could

> >possibly have is to open people to the recognition that the

ground of

> >their very being is holy and that when they are in touch with that

> >holy Ground of Being, they can share in God's creation by giving

> >life, love, and being to others. That is the task of those who

claim

> >to be God bearers. The Christians of the world are not here to

build

> >institutions, to convert other people, or even to claim that we

can

> >speak for God. Those aspects of our religious heritage must be

> >sacrificed as the premodern misunderstandings of our primitive

> >history. We are now exile people. "

> >

> >John Shelby Spong, Why Christianity Must Change Or Die: A Bishop

> >Speaks To Believers In Exile, HarperCollins Publishers, 1998, p.

224-

> >26.

> >

>

January 2, 2006

Dear Carol,

i have to agree with Violet as i have come across many Christians who

jcan pick any page from the bible to tell you stories that carry

little spiritual weight. Despite hundreds of years no Christian

pastor or pose is able to follow Jesus when He said:

There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the

Jews:

The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know

that thou art a teacher come from God:

For no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with

him.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily I say unto thee,

Except a man born be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born again when he is old?

Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man born of

water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of

Spirit is spirit,

Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again.

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound

thereof, but cannot tell whence it comes and where it goeth:

So is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 3:1-8

" The term " Spirit " translates the Hebrew word ruah, which, in its

primary sense, means breath, air, wind. Jesus indeed uses the sensory

image of the wind to suggest to Nicodemus the transcendent newness of

him who is personally God's breath, the divine Spirit. " 7 (7. Jn 3:5-

8.)

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (Interdicasterial Commission),

Catechism of the Catholic Church

The common understanding and definition of rûah is that of an

independent, incorporeal entity with an existence separate from that

of the body, a definition customarily rendered with the English word

spirit. " Both of the major Hebrew and English dictionaries in use

today include this definition, or one that goes very far towards it,

among those appropriate for rûah. Gesenius's lexicon edited by Brown,

Driver, and Briggs lists this as the fourth meaning of rûah: " spirit

of the living, breathing being, dwelling in the flesh of men and

animals. " Under this entry, references are cited which more properly

ought to be listed under this lexicon's first meaning of

rûah, " breath, " including many that have been cited above: Isa 42:5;

Zech 12:1; Ps 104:29-30; Job 12:10, 27:3, 34:14-15; Qoh 11:5, 12:7.

(5) In their lexicon, Koehler and Baumgartner list this understanding

as the sixth meaning of rûah: " (breath, element of life, natural)

spirit of man. " " (Professor Theodore Hiebert)

Every individual must be born of the Spirit before he or she can

enter His Kingdom. That is the clear Message of Shri Jesus. There are

three absolute requirements for spiritual rebirth:

& #61531; One must be born of water, which means by the Kundalini;

& #61531; One must be born of the Spirit, which means by the Power of the

Holy Ghost or Adi Shakti;

& #61531; Every one that is born of the Spirit must feel the Ruah (breath of

GOD) flowing freely from their bodies, and not mentally self-certify

that they are born again as is common among the churches.

Any organization that does not meet all these three precise

conditions is assured of being far from Truth. Being born of the

Spirit in not a mental make-believe of blind faith. It is an

actualization, a genuine experience of Cool Breeze or Wind emanating

from within. This phenomena has been experienced by hundreds of

thousands all over the world during their very first Self-Realization

from Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi or Sahaja Yogis. Those who continue

have this Breath of God flowing from all parts of their body,

especially the hands and head.

Carol, all the theology and praying and arguements will not make you

born of the spirit. All the thunder from pastors and ministers

insisting you to believe or repent is not going to make you feel the

wind of those born of water (Kundalini) and the Spirit (Shakti). The

Christian intellectualization and brainwashing is frightening, making

such people weird. i have met them and take a wide berth when i see

them. You can now see how 'intellectualized' the christian teachings

are by your own arguements and sad experiences with fellow ministers.

So no matter how many sheets of the bible you can quote from memory

nothing is going to change the fact that Jesus explicitly warned:

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man born of water and the

Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. Period!

jagbir

, " Violet " <vtubb@b...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Carol,

>

> Many words can be said Carol.... many arguments can be made to

support any view/s whatsoever. But that is not what Sahaja Yoga is

about. Sahaja Yoga is not an argument for or against any belief

system.

>

> Sahaja Yoga is about going within and experiencing the Silence

Within and learning the Pure Knowledge of the Spirit that a person

receives from Within.... rather than all of these external opinions

that a person can receive from others who are not even 'authorized'

Christians, because they have never known that Truth that comes from

within.

>

> Carol, i request that you please contemplate this fact very deeply

and try and understand what Sahaja Yoga is really all about.

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Violet

>

> , " danny weaver "

> <cdweaver32@h...> wrote:

> >

> > It is so amazing to me how many different beliefs everyone holds,

> and yet

> > everyone thinks THEY have it RIGHT, and yet, they all want to BE

> ONE, and

> > think they are ALL RIGHT they say, on one hand, then they say,

> ONLY WE (

> > this group or that group) are RIght. It is surprising to me, as I

> have been

> > in the Pal talk chat rooms, to listen to various religions, and

> beliefs,

> > and some say , you do not need churches, you do not need

anything

> just

> > relationship with Jesus. That may be true, but we need a main

> meeting place

> > to join in fellowship, to grow. Hopefully in this FREE country

> founded on

> > right to allow faiths, that we do not loose our Christianity, and

> become a

> > melting pot of pagan beliefs, which to some extent has already

> happened. We

> > do not want to upset anyone, of course, so we all say, it is ok

to

> be a

> > homosexual, it is ok to molest children, it is ok, to steal,

> children, it is

> > ok to do anything, you please, as long as you SAY you have God

> speaking to

> > you, and Jesus within you, and the 'cool Breeze' or whatever they

> may say

> > they have, they can do anything. Well that is not true. " You

will

> know them

> > by their fruits " so we know that even manson ( the killer and

many

> others)

> > thought God was talking to them and telling them, Jim Jones, and

> many

> > others. We cannot dispute, what they think, but " You will know

> them by

> > their fruits " Their love for one another, and the NON judging and

> trying to

> > say WHO has the Jesus within and who does not as that is not up

to

> us to

> > decide. " We will know them by their " fruits " What do they do for

> others,

> > how do they spend EACH waking moment? WHO are they REALLY? That

is

> what it

> > has to do with. Jesus said " If you cannot live your

> brother/sister whom you

> > have seen, how can you love God who you have NOT seen? " " No one

at

> ANY time

> > has SEEN God as God is Spirit and all must Worship Him in Spirit

> and truth "

> > Jesus yes, people have seen. as the FORM of God and we as the

> IMAGE of God.

> > But NOT God, at any time. We can ONLY know the true believer by

> their FRUITS

> > and how they LOVE others. But No, NO EVERYONE can be right, as

> their are way

> > too many people saying whatever they want and interpreting anyway

> they

> > please. No, uniformity in the belief, if you have a thought,

> anyone can open

> > a chat room, or go on TV, or do anything and teach anything, even

> say, "

> > This stone is God " if they WANT to, and THEY will have followers,

> some

> > people will believe if they are convincing enough. You can carry

> around a

> > piece of cotton and say God, came and cried on it, and His tears

> are there,

> > and everyone would follow you around and you will have a

following.

> >

> > So we can only believe the " Fruits of the Spirit, and Love in

> the Heart "

> > and watch out for the riducoulous false prophets that make things

> up as they

> > go, and just quote, all they can find, from all religions, in the

> name of

> > God. It become a mix and match, thing and all we do is lead

people

> to think

> > EVERYONE is right no matter WHAT they believe, so we will follow

> whoever

> > seems right at the time. Then we start following FALSE PROPHETS,

> who made

> > things up as they went. I could even go around and start a belief

> if I so

> > chose ( and you too) and sure I could have followers if I quoted

> many

> > religions and said ALL are welcome to partake what is offered,

and

> if you

> > are hurting come, and I will help you find the TRUE path back to

> God " And

> > all such nonsense. Some would come, and I would get better and

> better with

> > time, at it. ( Placing focus on me) I once pastored a Reformed

> Church for

> > two years, and no minister wanted the church, they only had 7

> people, I

> > preached, started Sunday school etc, etc, and it grew by leaps

and

> bounds 50

> > came, and that week I first saw so many in the little church in

> Randall NY I

> > was stunned, and said God what have you done? But I went on, with

> the

> > ministry, and many loved Jesus even, many really felt that they

> had found

> > the truth of God ( and probably so) the drunken people in the bar

> across the

> > street found ther way to the church, and I said, " Let them come,

> as I

> > cannot go to them and they come and can learn and meet our Lord "

> They will

> > change as the Spirit moves inside them, little by little. We will

> meet them

> > where they are, HURTING, And they did, Thank God, for that, never

> ONCE did I

> > lead people to ME just to Our Lord, so they could have

> relationship with

> > Him, NOT ME. Well the church Synod, after accepting me for two

> years,

> > decided I did not SUFFER with the Masters Of Divinity School at

> The Reformed

> > Church level and could not any longer do it, and they now had

> found a

> > RETIRED pastor who wanted the church...... Such nonsense goes

> on.... Greed.

> > The credential mean NOTHING to God, it is the FRUITS, and when we

> get to

> > paradise no one will ask to see our credentials giving us the

> RIGHT, to do

> > such and such, but it is the " Love and the Fruits of the spirit

> that will

> > be seen. "

> >

> > ( MY thougts on the subject, of All religions and ALL beliefs are

> correct)

> > What is our RELATIONSHIP to the ONE TRUE LORD? ( Am not disputing

> the cool

> > breeze, as I have felt that too and the vibrations etc) But

where

> does it

> > come from ? God, the Spirit of ALL. ( Watch for the fruits, and

> the love of

> > the person....)

> >

> > Love,

> > Carol Ann

> >

> > > " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org>

> > >

> > > " I believe that this Spirit ...

> will come

> > >in time, to open this world to God "

> > >Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:07:25 -0000

> > >

> > > , " Chuck "

> > ><chuckhennigan@s...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > It really is hard for me to understand how someone can be so

> > > > judegmental and even harbor ill feelings toward someone else

> just

> > > > because of religion. Christianity teaches Love, but without

the

> > > > Holy Spirit, Carnal things of this world become more

important

> than

> > > > Divine Love. The cool breeze from the Holy Spirit is the

> comfortor

> > > > that Jesus promised all of us. Shri Mataji came here to give

> > > > everyone self realization and did this by teaching me that I

> am a

> > > > Spirit, that I am to forgive myself and everyone else, that I

> am

> > > > not guilty, and I am my own master. Once I became self

> realized, I

> > > > was reborn of the Spirit, (realizing I am a Spirit). I then

> wanted

> > > > to become my own master which I am doing this through

> knowledge.

> > > > But none of this is possible without the Divine Love of the

> Holy

> > > > Spirit.

> > > >

> > >

> > > " So it needs to be clearly said that the God presence of this

> Jesus

> > >will lead us ultimately beyond every religious definition.

> Indeed, it

> > >will lead beyond Jesus himself. That becomes essential to human

> > >development whenever our idolatrous convictions identify the

> > >messenger of God with God. So the Ground of Being will finally be

> > >worshipped apart from any system of religious thought. It is a

> > >startling but real insight into the future of worship.

> > >

> > >I believe in that gift of the Spirit who was called " the giver of

> > >life. " Once we located God only externally, and called this God

> the

> > >Father Almighty. Next, we located this God in Jesus, and we

called

> > >him the Son Incarnate. Now we locate God in every person, and we

> call

> > >this God the Holy Spirit. I believe that this Spirit inevitably

> > >creates a community of faith that will come, in time, to open

this

> > >world to God as the very Ground of its life and Being. . . .

> > >

> > >Religion is, therefore, not what we have always thought it to be.

> > >Religion is not a system of belief. It is not a catalogue of

> revealed

> > >truth. It is not an activity designed to control behavior, to

> reward

> > >virtue, and to punish vice. Religion is, rather, a human attempt

> to

> > >process the God experience, which breaks forth from our own

depths

> > >and wells up constantly within us. We must lay down, therefore,

> the

> > >primitive claims we have made for our religious traditions. None

> of

> > >them is drawn from outworldly revelations. None of them is

> inerrant

> > >or infallible. None of them represents the only way to God. None

> of

> > >them can be used legitimately to coerce or compel another to

> belief.

> > >All evangelical and missionary activities designed to convert the

> > >heathen are base born. They are expressions of our sense of

> > >superiority and our hostility toward those who are different. The

> > >only divine mission in life that the Church of the future could

> > >possibly have is to open people to the recognition that the

> ground of

> > >their very being is holy and that when they are in touch with

that

> > >holy Ground of Being, they can share in God's creation by giving

> > >life, love, and being to others. That is the task of those who

> claim

> > >to be God bearers. The Christians of the world are not here to

> build

> > >institutions, to convert other people, or even to claim that we

> can

> > >speak for God. Those aspects of our religious heritage must be

> > >sacrificed as the premodern misunderstandings of our primitive

> > >history. We are now exile people. "

> > >

> > >John Shelby Spong, Why Christianity Must Change Or Die: A Bishop

> > >Speaks To Believers In Exile, HarperCollins Publishers, 1998, p.

> 224-

> > >26.

> > >

> >

>

January 2, 2006

Dear Jagbir,

See they ( Orthodox) also feel that they are born of the Spirit and Water,

and that at Pentecost, the Holy Spirit filled the people there and they

received and the church began, and all received after baptism, and

confirmation ( which you receive the 'breath at that time'..)

Please read, 'Holy Trinity Orthodox School' on the web, and it will help you

to understand the beliefs better, and I will not say anymore, as this can

explain trh whole history from beginning till the end, of time. As you are

Gnostics, I know, you would be interested in studying all that you can, as I

do also. But salvation does not come from jsut 'knowing' yes you do need to

be 'filled with the Holy Spirit " and I know I have been also, as I also have

FELT the cool breeze and the cool on top the head has been noted by many.

The vibrations and the whole thing. Sahaja Yoga did not start until the

70's, and I know that Shri Mataji then realized she was the " Holy Spirit' or

Adi Shakti " after her daughters were older, she found the cool breeze,

herself. The awareness came at that time, so I understand. What wil happen

to all the people before that, after Pentecost, did they not have the

Comforter, so thus no chance of salvation UNTILL the second coming of

Christ? They, then would not have been filled as they did not know how, ( or

VERY FEW) as they needed to seek out a person who knew how and it could take

a lifetime or maybe never, even though they were trying to receive it. (

Working with a teacher or Guru) Am asking in earnest, and requesting that

being fair, I am listening, and if you will also read site mentioed above(

it would take time) but then see what you think, as we came from something

AFTER the resurrection , something was left a message from Jesus for people

to teach and spread to the world. They folowed what Jesus did and said. So

it was not just Biblical but traditional.

I agree that arguing is not the answer and a waste of time and goes no

where, and will not ask anything, anymore, after you read the web it can

explain better than I ,am sure. Would take too long here. Yes The Holy

Spirit filling is good, and agree with much, but any one can have a

following but directing people to the Christ, is the anser not to 'self' and

what people can offer. We are ALL equal in Gods kingdom, if we believe in

Christ and the Holy Spirit. God sees the 'heart' we cannot jsudge as we

cannot see the 'heart' I also had personal meeting with Shri Mataji, and she

and I had nice conversations and she said " she was sorry to keep me

waiting " and called me by name, and this was a humble person, I would say.

Am sure she would not have met with me, or wanted to talk to me, if I was

not filled with the Spirit, she would have stayed away. ( Being the Adi

Shakti I mean) So this is my last saying, I pray, but wanted to gfive you

chnace to read and understand from " the horses mouth ' you might say, by

reading the site.

Carol

> " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org

>

> Re: " I believe that this Spirit ... will

>come in time, to open this world to God "

>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 21:36:36 -0000

>

>Dear Carol,

>

>i have to agree with Violet as i have come across many Christians who

>jcan pick any page from the bible to tell you stories that carry

>little spiritual weight. Despite hundreds of years no Christian

>pastor or pose is able to follow Jesus when He said:

>

>There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the

>Jews:

>The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know

>that thou art a teacher come from God:

>For no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with

>him.

>Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily I say unto thee,

>Except a man born be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.

>Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born again when he is old?

>Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

>Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man born of

>water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

>That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of

>Spirit is spirit,

>Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again.

>The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound

>thereof, but cannot tell whence it comes and where it goeth:

>So is every one that is born of the Spirit.

>

> John 3:1-8

>

> " The term " Spirit " translates the Hebrew word ruah, which, in its

>primary sense, means breath, air, wind. Jesus indeed uses the sensory

>image of the wind to suggest to Nicodemus the transcendent newness of

>him who is personally God's breath, the divine Spirit. " 7 (7. Jn 3:5-

>8.)

>

>Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (Interdicasterial Commission),

>Catechism of the Catholic Church

>

>The common understanding and definition of rûah is that of an

>independent, incorporeal entity with an existence separate from that

>of the body, a definition customarily rendered with the English word

>spirit. " Both of the major Hebrew and English dictionaries in use

>today include this definition, or one that goes very far towards it,

>among those appropriate for rûah. Gesenius's lexicon edited by Brown,

>Driver, and Briggs lists this as the fourth meaning of rûah: " spirit

>of the living, breathing being, dwelling in the flesh of men and

>animals. " Under this entry, references are cited which more properly

>ought to be listed under this lexicon's first meaning of

>rûah, " breath, " including many that have been cited above: Isa 42:5;

>Zech 12:1; Ps 104:29-30; Job 12:10, 27:3, 34:14-15; Qoh 11:5, 12:7.

>(5) In their lexicon, Koehler and Baumgartner list this understanding

>as the sixth meaning of rûah: " (breath, element of life, natural)

>spirit of man. " " (Professor Theodore Hiebert)

>

>Every individual must be born of the Spirit before he or she can

>enter His Kingdom. That is the clear Message of Shri Jesus. There are

>three absolute requirements for spiritual rebirth:

>

> & #61531; One must be born of water, which means by the Kundalini;

> & #61531; One must be born of the Spirit, which means by the Power of the

>Holy Ghost or Adi Shakti;

> & #61531; Every one that is born of the Spirit must feel the Ruah (breath of

>GOD) flowing freely from their bodies, and not mentally self-certify

>that they are born again as is common among the churches.

>

>Any organization that does not meet all these three precise

>conditions is assured of being far from Truth. Being born of the

>Spirit in not a mental make-believe of blind faith. It is an

>actualization, a genuine experience of Cool Breeze or Wind emanating

>from within. This phenomena has been experienced by hundreds of

>thousands all over the world during their very first Self-Realization

>from Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi or Sahaja Yogis. Those who continue

>have this Breath of God flowing from all parts of their body,

>especially the hands and head.

>

>Carol, all the theology and praying and arguements will not make you

>born of the spirit. All the thunder from pastors and ministers

>insisting you to believe or repent is not going to make you feel the

>wind of those born of water (Kundalini) and the Spirit (Shakti). The

>Christian intellectualization and brainwashing is frightening, making

>such people weird. i have met them and take a wide berth when i see

>them. You can now see how 'intellectualized' the christian teachings

>are by your own arguements and sad experiences with fellow ministers.

>So no matter how many sheets of the bible you can quote from memory

>nothing is going to change the fact that Jesus explicitly warned:

>

>Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man born of water and the

>Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. Period!

>

>jagbir

>

> , " Violet " <vtubb@b...>

>wrote:

> >

> > Dear Carol,

> >

> > Many words can be said Carol.... many arguments can be made to

>support any view/s whatsoever. But that is not what Sahaja Yoga is

>about. Sahaja Yoga is not an argument for or against any belief

>system.

> >

> > Sahaja Yoga is about going within and experiencing the Silence

>Within and learning the Pure Knowledge of the Spirit that a person

>receives from Within.... rather than all of these external opinions

>that a person can receive from others who are not even 'authorized'

>Christians, because they have never known that Truth that comes from

>within.

> >

> > Carol, i request that you please contemplate this fact very deeply

>and try and understand what Sahaja Yoga is really all about.

> >

> > Kind regards,

> >

> > Violet

> >

> > , " danny weaver "

> > <cdweaver32@h...> wrote:

> > >

> > > It is so amazing to me how many different beliefs everyone holds,

> > and yet

> > > everyone thinks THEY have it RIGHT, and yet, they all want to BE

> > ONE, and

> > > think they are ALL RIGHT they say, on one hand, then they say,

> > ONLY WE (

> > > this group or that group) are RIght. It is surprising to me, as I

> > have been

> > > in the Pal talk chat rooms, to listen to various religions, and

> > beliefs,

> > > and some say , you do not need churches, you do not need

>anything

> > just

> > > relationship with Jesus. That may be true, but we need a main

> > meeting place

> > > to join in fellowship, to grow. Hopefully in this FREE country

> > founded on

> > > right to allow faiths, that we do not loose our Christianity, and

> > become a

> > > melting pot of pagan beliefs, which to some extent has already

> > happened. We

> > > do not want to upset anyone, of course, so we all say, it is ok

>to

> > be a

> > > homosexual, it is ok to molest children, it is ok, to steal,

> > children, it is

> > > ok to do anything, you please, as long as you SAY you have God

> > speaking to

> > > you, and Jesus within you, and the 'cool Breeze' or whatever they

> > may say

> > > they have, they can do anything. Well that is not true. " You

>will

> > know them

> > > by their fruits " so we know that even manson ( the killer and

>many

> > others)

> > > thought God was talking to them and telling them, Jim Jones, and

> > many

> > > others. We cannot dispute, what they think, but " You will know

> > them by

> > > their fruits " Their love for one another, and the NON judging and

> > trying to

> > > say WHO has the Jesus within and who does not as that is not up

>to

> > us to

> > > decide. " We will know them by their " fruits " What do they do for

> > others,

> > > how do they spend EACH waking moment? WHO are they REALLY? That

>is

> > what it

> > > has to do with. Jesus said " If you cannot live your

> > brother/sister whom you

> > > have seen, how can you love God who you have NOT seen? " " No one

>at

> > ANY time

> > > has SEEN God as God is Spirit and all must Worship Him in Spirit

> > and truth "

> > > Jesus yes, people have seen. as the FORM of God and we as the

> > IMAGE of God.

> > > But NOT God, at any time. We can ONLY know the true believer by

> > their FRUITS

> > > and how they LOVE others. But No, NO EVERYONE can be right, as

> > their are way

> > > too many people saying whatever they want and interpreting anyway

> > they

> > > please. No, uniformity in the belief, if you have a thought,

> > anyone can open

> > > a chat room, or go on TV, or do anything and teach anything, even

> > say, "

> > > This stone is God " if they WANT to, and THEY will have followers,

> > some

> > > people will believe if they are convincing enough. You can carry

> > around a

> > > piece of cotton and say God, came and cried on it, and His tears

> > are there,

> > > and everyone would follow you around and you will have a

>following.

> > >

> > > So we can only believe the " Fruits of the Spirit, and Love in

> > the Heart "

> > > and watch out for the riducoulous false prophets that make things

> > up as they

> > > go, and just quote, all they can find, from all religions, in the

> > name of

> > > God. It become a mix and match, thing and all we do is lead

>people

> > to think

> > > EVERYONE is right no matter WHAT they believe, so we will follow

> > whoever

> > > seems right at the time. Then we start following FALSE PROPHETS,

> > who made

> > > things up as they went. I could even go around and start a belief

> > if I so

> > > chose ( and you too) and sure I could have followers if I quoted

> > many

> > > religions and said ALL are welcome to partake what is offered,

>and

> > if you

> > > are hurting come, and I will help you find the TRUE path back to

> > God " And

> > > all such nonsense. Some would come, and I would get better and

> > better with

> > > time, at it. ( Placing focus on me) I once pastored a Reformed

> > Church for

> > > two years, and no minister wanted the church, they only had 7

> > people, I

> > > preached, started Sunday school etc, etc, and it grew by leaps

>and

> > bounds 50

> > > came, and that week I first saw so many in the little church in

> > Randall NY I

> > > was stunned, and said God what have you done? But I went on, with

> > the

> > > ministry, and many loved Jesus even, many really felt that they

> > had found

> > > the truth of God ( and probably so) the drunken people in the bar

> > across the

> > > street found ther way to the church, and I said, " Let them come,

> > as I

> > > cannot go to them and they come and can learn and meet our Lord "

> > They will

> > > change as the Spirit moves inside them, little by little. We will

> > meet them

> > > where they are, HURTING, And they did, Thank God, for that, never

> > ONCE did I

> > > lead people to ME just to Our Lord, so they could have

> > relationship with

> > > Him, NOT ME. Well the church Synod, after accepting me for two

> > years,

> > > decided I did not SUFFER with the Masters Of Divinity School at

> > The Reformed

> > > Church level and could not any longer do it, and they now had

> > found a

> > > RETIRED pastor who wanted the church...... Such nonsense goes

> > on.... Greed.

> > > The credential mean NOTHING to God, it is the FRUITS, and when we

> > get to

> > > paradise no one will ask to see our credentials giving us the

> > RIGHT, to do

> > > such and such, but it is the " Love and the Fruits of the spirit

> > that will

> > > be seen. "

> > >

> > > ( MY thougts on the subject, of All religions and ALL beliefs are

> > correct)

> > > What is our RELATIONSHIP to the ONE TRUE LORD? ( Am not disputing

> > the cool

> > > breeze, as I have felt that too and the vibrations etc) But

>where

> > does it

> > > come from ? God, the Spirit of ALL. ( Watch for the fruits, and

> > the love of

> > > the person....)

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Carol Ann

> > >

> > > > " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org>

> > > >

> > > > " I believe that this Spirit ...

> > will come

> > > >in time, to open this world to God "

> > > >Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:07:25 -0000

> > > >

> > > > , " Chuck "

> > > ><chuckhennigan@s...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > It really is hard for me to understand how someone can be so

> > > > > judegmental and even harbor ill feelings toward someone else

> > just

> > > > > because of religion. Christianity teaches Love, but without

>the

> > > > > Holy Spirit, Carnal things of this world become more

>important

> > than

> > > > > Divine Love. The cool breeze from the Holy Spirit is the

> > comfortor

> > > > > that Jesus promised all of us. Shri Mataji came here to give

> > > > > everyone self realization and did this by teaching me that I

> > am a

> > > > > Spirit, that I am to forgive myself and everyone else, that I

> > am

> > > > > not guilty, and I am my own master. Once I became self

> > realized, I

> > > > > was reborn of the Spirit, (realizing I am a Spirit). I then

> > wanted

> > > > > to become my own master which I am doing this through

> > knowledge.

> > > > > But none of this is possible without the Divine Love of the

> > Holy

> > > > > Spirit.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > " So it needs to be clearly said that the God presence of this

> > Jesus

> > > >will lead us ultimately beyond every religious definition.

> > Indeed, it

> > > >will lead beyond Jesus himself. That becomes essential to human

> > > >development whenever our idolatrous convictions identify the

> > > >messenger of God with God. So the Ground of Being will finally be

> > > >worshipped apart from any system of religious thought. It is a

> > > >startling but real insight into the future of worship.

> > > >

> > > >I believe in that gift of the Spirit who was called " the giver of

> > > >life. " Once we located God only externally, and called this God

> > the

> > > >Father Almighty. Next, we located this God in Jesus, and we

>called

> > > >him the Son Incarnate. Now we locate God in every person, and we

> > call

> > > >this God the Holy Spirit. I believe that this Spirit inevitably

> > > >creates a community of faith that will come, in time, to open

>this

> > > >world to God as the very Ground of its life and Being. . . .

> > > >

> > > >Religion is, therefore, not what we have always thought it to be.

> > > >Religion is not a system of belief. It is not a catalogue of

> > revealed

> > > >truth. It is not an activity designed to control behavior, to

> > reward

> > > >virtue, and to punish vice. Religion is, rather, a human attempt

> > to

> > > >process the God experience, which breaks forth from our own

>depths

> > > >and wells up constantly within us. We must lay down, therefore,

> > the

> > > >primitive claims we have made for our religious traditions. None

> > of

> > > >them is drawn from outworldly revelations. None of them is

> > inerrant

> > > >or infallible. None of them represents the only way to God. None

> > of

> > > >them can be used legitimately to coerce or compel another to

> > belief.

> > > >All evangelical and missionary activities designed to convert the

> > > >heathen are base born. They are expressions of our sense of

> > > >superiority and our hostility toward those who are different. The

> > > >only divine mission in life that the Church of the future could

> > > >possibly have is to open people to the recognition that the

> > ground of

> > > >their very being is holy and that when they are in touch with

>that

> > > >holy Ground of Being, they can share in God's creation by giving

> > > >life, love, and being to others. That is the task of those who

> > claim

> > > >to be God bearers. The Christians of the world are not here to

> > build

> > > >institutions, to convert other people, or even to claim that we

> > can

> > > >speak for God. Those aspects of our religious heritage must be

> > > >sacrificed as the premodern misunderstandings of our primitive

> > > >history. We are now exile people. "

> > > >

> > > >John Shelby Spong, Why Christianity Must Change Or Die: A Bishop

> > > >Speaks To Believers In Exile, HarperCollins Publishers, 1998, p.

> > 224-

> > > >26.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 2, 2006

Dear Jagbir,

Also the word Pagan comes from Latin word meaning Paganus, and if anyone not

believing in Christianity and also rural dwelling person, or people.

Worshipping many gods, and even nature as god.

Pagans do predate Christians, actually as Jesus came 2000 yrs ago and died

to save us from our sins.

But they saw god in everything and many silly things and it cause 'fear' all

around.

That is what pagan means. Not Christian, or no religion at all, atheism.

As mentioned in other writing I sent, American Indians had a belief in gods,

but one GREAT SPIRIT over all, AND they were believing as best they could

under the circumstances of their ability and education. People could not

read, back in history and only the priests and learned men could interpret

for the 'commom man' Everyone knows America was set up by forefathers for

Freedom of Religion, but it is good but can be bad too, when people kill in

the m name of their god, and their god is not the loving TRUE GOD, and

everyone suffers. Our Christianity and choice can be taken away, as

communism took it away in other countries, and we are to be lucky to be able

and free to worship in this country and to seek and find God, and not be

killed for our faith.

In love,