RE: It is only during the Last Judgment and Resurrection will humans experience

January 7, 2006

Dear Dave,

I am 55yrs old, and have attended, many different religions, and yes, have

been VERY active with SahajaYoga and Yes, have felt cool breeze etc, and

that is what led me to the land, ( Canajoharie) where the ashram, ( wel not

put up,yetthen the vibrations led us still just do not see Shri Mataji as

the Holy Spirit. I was talking about the fact that the 'gibberish' IS what

it is, (now)but NOT at Pentecost......I am convert to Russian Orthodox

Church now. We are saying if I have missed the point of she being God, then

I am sorry I think an avatar, yes, or Guru yes, but persoannly speaking not

God. ( Or Holy Spirit) I see Three in ONe. Trinity. Yes there other other

gods, but not THE GOD. Yes do know Jesus persoanlly, as He came to me three

times in a dream, and I did see him, and he led me to Christianity, Well had

been in church all my life, Protestant, but had not been going faithfully in

a while. Three distinct dreams that led me to him, but ended up in Reformed

Church and grew up Methodist. I do not KNOW Simon, well enough to know if he

is an atheist, that is point I am making, and we must be careful that what

is said is true, not just what we think. As far as him being Vishnu in

another life??? What do you mean??? I thought Shri Mataji was, and she was

Mary, too, and Jesus, and really all.? The Mother goddess is worshiped in

most religions one way or another. Even Virgin Mary, is not worshipped, but

venerated, as being quite special as giving BIRTH to God, called Theotokos,

( or God Bearer, as Jesus IS God, too.) That is Orthodox belief. Yes, have

had good training in Sahaja Yoga and sisters even stayed with me, ( from

Sahaja Yoga) and they taught me much, and I meditated and read, and had

private, visit with Shri Mataji, which many have, and she was very nice, to

me, but did not feel she was God, that is what I mean. Feel the Cool FEEL

Vibrations ( guess would be dead if I did not) but cannot worship Her if I

do not see Her as God.... Can you understand, my point??? Not saying it is

right for others, speaking for me. ( Shri Mataji reminds me of me, of my

family, of a mother, which she is of course, but have trouble seeing God,

that is all. WE mustnever Judge anyone that is my point, and we must forgive

all, that is the other point, without this, we have not love, and love is

the most important of all. We must be very careful Now if you KNOW Simon and

KNOW he is an atheist which you say, that would be different. I know I would

be b quite upset to be called that when I know the Lord as I do, and my

husband and I of 37 yrs, worship together we alsoattended Sahaja Yoga

together. Found the Pujas quite expensive though. Hard to attend one each

month. Fellowship, is nice and people were terrific, but that is all my

point is that was trying to make. If a person IS an atheist then ok, but we

must be careful passingjudgement if we are guessing.

PS,,, I agree the speaking in tongues, is gibberish, but at Pentecost

EVERYONE undertood in own language, that was different then done now. Now

they need an iterpreter, and if you do not have one people will not be

edifyed. I am not Baptist, but Orthodox. ( The same God)

Blessings to you,,,,all

May we all meet at the end of ourjouney of life, in peace and love and

harmony,

Carol

> " davesyogi " <davesyogi

>

> Re: It is only during the Last Judgment

>and Resurrection will humans " experience

>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:47:40 -0000

>

> , " danny weaver "

><cdweaver32@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I agree and would like to add something though to your thoughts on

>Simon

> > being atheists.... Is he???? Or does he not find Shri Mataji as God?

>

>Hi Carol

>As I am aware of Simon,he is an atheist,from what I know.

>

> There

> > is a difference.

>

>Many people see God in many different ways,but we sahaja yogis see GOD

>as Jesus said in the new testament when he was asked about it " ye,it is

>written,you are all gods "

>Carol,the spirit within you is a part of GOD.Now,either you accept

>that or not it would make no difference,because this is the truth.Your

>destiny,as a human being,is to become one with that part within yourself.

>

> Many people see God in many different ways ( as you are

> > combining all religions together so you have to look at this

>clearly, and I

> > guess go along with all the baggage they bring to you, as it takes

>time to

> > conform them to your thinking and it may not happen at all, they may

>hold to

> > some truths they have learned as children, but that is what happens

>when you

> > combine all religions, you are ACCEPTING them as they ARE)

>

>Very true,Carol

>

> Not everyone is

> > going to agree with exactly WHO Shri Mataji is and that is ok too,

>some may

> > not be READY or whatever,, as that is between them and their maker.

>

>I just decided to try the meditation my friend recommended me(from

>college).I am not still sure whom Shri Mataji is,but sure thing I feel

>the cool vibrations.And sure thing is way better then the

>transcendental meditation I've tried before.And I had to pay them 350

>dollars for the mantra they gave me.Never again.

>

> We

> > cannot go around passing JUDGEMENT either on WHO is filled with the

>Holy

> > Spirit, it can come in MANY ways and I personally have found this,

>and have

> > PERSONAL relationship with the one TRUE God and Jesus as one.

>

>Personal relationship with Jesus?..this is the illusion people fall

>into,thinking they can have a ,,personal relationship,, with GOD.I do

>not agree,Carol.I have personal relationship with my wife,not with Jesus.

>

>I know this as

> > fact, and He/ SHE whatever you want God to Be as God is " Spirit and

>all who

> > worship must worship in spirit and truth. " Now an Atheisist on the

>other

> > hand, has NO belief in God ( or any almighty being)at all under ANY

>name,

> > and plan on just going 6ft under with nothing to go to......( Sad

>but true)

>

> > So I do not know if Simon is atheist, but maybe he is not, maybe he

>just

> > sees things differently then you.

>

>Simon is an atheist.Also,he is not normal in the brain,if he became

>Vishnu and other avatars.The proof that he is not normal in the brain

>is very simple.He was Vishnu before,now he is an atheist.Case

>closed.Take him to the nut-house.

>

> It is sad that such time is wasted on

> > trying to see WHO is 'saved' you might say, and who is not..... It

>is none

> > of our business.

>

>Saved?It is interesting how people use this term so easily.After you

>die,you will know for sure ,don't worry Carol.I am 56 years old,maybe

>it's too late for me to be saved.My friend introduced me to sahaja

>yoga,that's all.

>

> We just go along and witnes, and try to raise Kundalinis or

> > whatever we feel works and all will be well, some follow one path,

>and some

> > another IF you are trying to go with ALL religions. ( Let them go

>and do as

> > you can, and keep trying but not forcing, or judging, that is not

>why we are

> > here, your love for others, and the fact that you feel you are RIGHT

>and no

> > one else, probably causes you to over care, and that is nice too,

>but do NOT

> > let PRIDE get in your way that is a SIN)

>

>I think once you think about the pride you become the pride.Once you

>think about the sin,you become the sin.

>

> >Some people who have never learnd

> > HOW to do Sahaja Yoga in years past, because they have not been able to

> > learn or it never came to them, may still have been 'saved' and may

>still

> > have been full of Spirit. At Pentecost, the people did not raise

>Kundalinis,

> > it happened, and they were filled as tongues of flames came down

>upon them )

> > and they starting talking in tongues BUT not gibberish, everyone

> > UNDERSTOOD each other.

>

>Not in my baptist church I have been attending for the last 20

>years.All of them spoke in gibberish.Please give me the address of

>your church,so I can see they understand each other.Never happened in

>my life.

>

> > NOw as for the Healing touch and Reiki thing, I know first hand as I am

> > certified, some years ago, and do not practice now, but will agree,

>I felt

> > vibrations and was attuned the whole bit, BUT while they were doing

>healing

> > on me ( the instructors and students) the door slammed shut, ( No

>one was

> > near it) and it was scary but they said it was STUFF stuck in me

>over many

> > years coming out, WELL, then I had FEET TROUBLE later, and never

>have gotten

> > over it. Have done Sahaja Yoga and have PRAYED< PRAYED< PRAYED, and

>guess it

> > is stuck.

>

>True.Sahaja yoga is not prayer.It's meditation.If was not for my

>friend,I'd never have understood this.Thank you,friend,if you are

>reading right now.

>

> But it can cause something to get into system ( not the devil

> > either) as I spend my whole day and night with meditaion and God as

>am on

> > disability,( NOT ALL will be miraculouly cured, and am possitive not

>all

> > Sahaja Yogas are perfectly well, and may be afraid to say it) and

>have time

> > other than family things and helping others, so I know God is there

>for me,

> > but it is something to beware of, I will agree with Shri Mataji on

>that. It

> > can do harm, even a nun at catholic hospital is doing this, for

>money and

> > teaching, it she means well, and I am sure, and she loves God, too,

>but we

> > can be misguided. God looks upon the HEART of man, we CANNOT do that.

> > Forgiveness plays BIG part in this, so forgive those who you think

>are on

> > wrong path and PRAY for them, and try to lead them, BUT you cannot

>force

> > people to SEE what they cannot see, for one reason or another, and

>we cannot

> > slander people either. Now if someone IS an atheist then they are, I

>have

> > encountered them too, and it is VERY hard to change them IF they do

>NOT WANT

> > to become enlightened, but you do best you can, and walk on.... as

>Jesus

> > said, " Shake dust off your feet and go to next house " But it does

>NOT mean

> > not loving the person, or thinking they are going to Hell, we cannot

>decide

> > that at all. Not up to us at all. That is our PRIDE speaking.

> >

> > Blessings, Shaloam, Namaste, Jai Shri Mataji, and all that all

>religions may

> > say,,,,,Different words, all the same, in the end, ( If we are

>combining all

> > religions into one)

> >

> > Carol,

> >

> All my blessing for you,Carol.And may God help us all.

>Dave

>

January 8, 2006

Jagbir,

This is the second half and what I was referring to the 1st half was worse,

even. It is fine to not agree, but we cannot be cruel, or maybe you want it,

but it is not my forum so it is fine with me. I am done, and will not write,

but this is part of what I was referring to hope it helps shed light on the

whole thing. ( This was written by Dave, and I was answering what he said

before, and this is more of comment)

Hope it helps, The Golden Rule, states to " do unto others as you would have

them do to you " , well I would not like this said about me.....Did he bother

Dave??? maybe he did.... I do not know.