Jesus Resurrected Himself to show this is possible for us too....

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

 

'Jesus died to show that we too can be resurrected'.

 

i can understand Jesus's Death and Resurrection much more clearly now that i

know that Jesus laid down His Life and took it up again in order to show that

human beings too can have a bodily resurrection whereby they are able to become

the Spirit. It is a relief to be able to mentally dispense with the false

doctrine that He 'died for our sins'.....a statement that Jesus Himself never

ever said so. Thank you, Jagbir, for helping to clarify this Christian

misconception.

 

Jagbir, i know that when we have our Self-Realization the Kundalini Mother rises

within us and connects our Spirit to the Kingdom of God within.....and this is

known as our Resurrection. At risk of repeating myself (from my last post)... my

question is: Is this the same Resurrection that Jesus experienced, or was

Jesus's Resurrection different somehow?

 

i am just trying to understand, as Jesus actually physically died in order to

Resurrect Himself, whereas we do not have to die physically in order to have our

Self-Realization....a.k.a. " Our Resurrection " . i would be most appreciative if

you could clarify this for me.

 

Warmest regards,

 

Violet

[Guest guest]

, " Violet " <vtubb@b...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> 'Jesus died to show that we too can be resurrected'.

>

> i can understand Jesus's Death and Resurrection much more clearly

now that i know that Jesus laid down His Life and took it up again in

order to show that human beings too can have a bodily resurrection

whereby they are able to become the Spirit. It is a relief to be able

to mentally dispense with the false doctrine that He 'died for our

sins'.....a statement that Jesus Himself never ever said so. Thank

you, Jagbir, for helping to clarify this Christian misconception.

>

> Jagbir, i know that when we have our Self-Realization the Kundalini

Mother rises within us and connects our Spirit to the Kingdom of God

within.....and this is known as our Resurrection. At risk of

repeating myself (from my last post)... my question is: Is this the

same Resurrection that Jesus experienced, or was Jesus's Resurrection

different somehow?

>

> i am just trying to understand, as Jesus actually physically died

in order to Resurrect Himself, whereas we do not have to die

physically in order to have our Self-Realization....a.k.a. " Our

Resurrection " . i would be most appreciative if you could clarify this

for me.

>

> Warmest regards,

>

> Violet

>

 

 

Dear Violet,

 

Thank you for asking 'difficult' questions that i am sure will

benefit many in the long run. Given the fact that our collectives are

constantly engaged in the mind-boggling and awe-inspiring debates of

catches and cures, which i cannot possibly explain due to a general

deficiency of 'special' grey matter and obvious mental malaise, i

really appreciate questions that peel the layers of Shri Mataji's

Divine Message. Please do not hesitate to repeat if necessary.

 

So here are answers that required some Silence.

 

The present en masse resuurection is unlike that of Jesus who died,

resurrected Himself and appeared before His disciples in a few days.

After that He travelled East with His mother Mary.

 

The Russian scholar, Nicolai Notovich, was the first to suggest that

Christ may have gone to India. In 1887, Notovich, a Russian scholar

and Orientalist, arrived in Kashmir during one of several journeys to

the Orient. At the Zoji-la pass Notovich was a guest in a Buddhist

monastery, where a monk told him of the bhodisattva saint

called " Issa " . Notovich was stunned by the remarkable parallels of

Issa's teachings and martyrdom with that of Christ's life, teachings

and crucifixion.

 

For about sixteen years, Christ travelled through Turkey, Persia,

Western Europe and possibly England. He finally arrived with Mary to

a place near Kashmir, where she died. After many years in Kashmir,

teaching to an appreciative population, who venerated him as a great

prophet, reformer and saint, he died and was buried in a tomb in

Kashmir itself.

 

The first step in Christ's trail after the Crucifixion is found in

the Persian scholar F. Mohammed's historical work " Jami-ut-tuwarik "

which tells of Christ's arrival in the kingdom of Nisibis, by royal

invitation. (Nisibis is today known as Nusaybin in Turkey) . This is

reiterated in the Imam Abu Jafar Muhammed's " Tafsi-Ibn-i-Jamir at-

tubri. " Kersten found that in both Turkey and Persia there are

ancient stories of a saint called " Yuz Asaf " ( " Leader of the

Healed " ), whose behaviour, miracles and teachings are remarkably

similar to that of Christ.

 

The many Islamic and Hindu historical works recording local history

and legends of kings, noblemen and saints of the areas thought to be

travelled by Jesus also give evidence of a Christ like man; the

Koran, for example, refers to Christ as " Issar " . Further east, the

Kurdish tribes of Eastern Anatolia have several stories describing

Christ's stay in Eastern Turkey after his resurrection. These

traditional legends have been ignored by the theological community.

 

It is necessary to understand the remaining years of the resurrected

Christ to compare that with the present general Resurrection.

 

However, unlike eternal incarnations/deities/prophets like Jesus, we

are taking part in the Resurrection as mortal human beings. The

Resurrection for humans is a life-long attempt to evolve into the

eternal spirit (moksa). Only after physical death will we know

whether we succeeded or not. Either way only death provides

evidence of resurrection. This irrefutable evidence was provided by

Jesus for all humanity through His death. Jesus died to show that we

too can be resurrected. i base my belief in the present Resurrection

because He has already provided proof through His own resurrection

two millennia ago.

 

But unlike Him, we will not appear before our friends and loved ones

a few days after death, or take the Caribbean cruise cancelled due to

Katrina. No, visiting exotic resorts or catching up with freinds will

not happen. That is the fundamental difference between Jesus'

resurrection and our taking part in The Resurrection.

 

warmest regards,

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir and All,

 

Thank you for that clear answer.

 

Going into the Silence to find the answers is an important function of being a

Self-Realized person, that needs to be practised.

 

Too many rank and file are meditating, but have never learned to enter the

Silence where they find the answers, and if a new meditator may perchance ask a

too difficult question, the SY will probably say that they do not know, or will

ask the leaders.

 

i suppose i could even say that many rank and file SY's do not go within to find

the answers, but go to leaders to find the answers.

 

And yet....what do the leaders know.....if they cannot themselves find the

answers in the Silence within.

 

i would like to say that the fact that you, Jagbir, can be asked a most

difficult question, and you do not baulk at it, but contemplate, meditate, and

go into the Silence to obtain the answer is one of the great examples for others

to follow, yet many will rather follow the understanding of their leaders and

follow that, rather than find the answers from within.

 

In the case of these 'difficult' questions that i have asked, the Christian

conditionings needed to be addressed by someone like yourself, so i found it

easier for you to explain. Thank you so much again.

 

Also, i want to say, that on these forums, most of those SY's who write here, do

go within to find the answers, rather than asking their leaders. Yet this seems

to be a crime punishable by ex-communication.

 

What can i say, but be stupefied by the fact that if a person, also like myself

can talk from my own experiences, and go within to find answers for other

people's sometimes very difficult questions, that i have been asked by a fellow

SY to check if i am " possessed " for doing that. Just because i do try and help

others and explain things as described, i was asked to check to see if i was

" possessed " . The way was to put a piece of paper on my hands in front of a photo

of Shri Mataji to see if my hands shake, and if they do, i am " possessed " .

 

i told this SY that i speak and write from my heart; it comes from my heart, and

this SY said to me, " No, it comes from your ego " . i had to convince this person

over and over again that no.....it comes from my heart.

 

It is like the leader is right, if you say anything different from what the

leader says that is the right way to do, think, write (never mind what SM

says)....it is the leader that counts in this analysis. The " you better check to

see if you are possessed' mentality kicks in. What kind of mentality is this,

where commonsense and reasoning are competely bypassed. It is absolutely crazy,

that Sahaja Yoga Organizational Leadership has lead people to become like this.

 

So, what hope is there for rank and file SY's when they lean on the

understanding of SY leaders who are even afraid to talk about the Resurrection,

let alone answer them like you have, Jagbir?

 

Warmest regards,

 

Violet

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> , " Violet "

<vtubb@b...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir,

> >

> > 'Jesus died to show that we too can be resurrected'.

> >

> > i can understand Jesus's Death and Resurrection much more

clearly

> now that i know that Jesus laid down His Life and took it up again

in

> order to show that human beings too can have a bodily resurrection

> whereby they are able to become the Spirit. It is a relief to be

able

> to mentally dispense with the false doctrine that He 'died for our

> sins'.....a statement that Jesus Himself never ever said so. Thank

> you, Jagbir, for helping to clarify this Christian misconception.

> >

> > Jagbir, i know that when we have our Self-Realization the

Kundalini

> Mother rises within us and connects our Spirit to the Kingdom of

God

> within.....and this is known as our Resurrection. At risk of

> repeating myself (from my last post)... my question is: Is this

the

> same Resurrection that Jesus experienced, or was Jesus's

Resurrection

> different somehow?

> >

> > i am just trying to understand, as Jesus actually physically

died

> in order to Resurrect Himself, whereas we do not have to die

> physically in order to have our Self-Realization....a.k.a. " Our

> Resurrection " . i would be most appreciative if you could clarify

this

> for me.

> >

> > Warmest regards,

> >

> > Violet

> >

>

>

> Dear Violet,

>

> Thank you for asking 'difficult' questions that i am sure will

> benefit many in the long run. Given the fact that our collectives

are

> constantly engaged in the mind-boggling and awe-inspiring debates

of

> catches and cures, which i cannot possibly explain due to a

general

> deficiency of 'special' grey matter and obvious mental malaise, i

> really appreciate questions that peel the layers of Shri Mataji's

> Divine Message. Please do not hesitate to repeat if necessary.

>

> So here are answers that required some Silence.

>

> The present en masse resuurection is unlike that of Jesus who

died,

> resurrected Himself and appeared before His disciples in a few

days.

> After that He travelled East with His mother Mary.

>

> The Russian scholar, Nicolai Notovich, was the first to suggest

that

> Christ may have gone to India. In 1887, Notovich, a Russian

scholar

> and Orientalist, arrived in Kashmir during one of several journeys

to

> the Orient. At the Zoji-la pass Notovich was a guest in a Buddhist

> monastery, where a monk told him of the bhodisattva saint

> called " Issa " . Notovich was stunned by the remarkable parallels of

> Issa's teachings and martyrdom with that of Christ's life,

teachings

> and crucifixion.

>

> For about sixteen years, Christ travelled through Turkey, Persia,

> Western Europe and possibly England. He finally arrived with Mary

to

> a place near Kashmir, where she died. After many years in Kashmir,

> teaching to an appreciative population, who venerated him as a

great

> prophet, reformer and saint, he died and was buried in a tomb in

> Kashmir itself.

>

> The first step in Christ's trail after the Crucifixion is found in

> the Persian scholar F. Mohammed's historical work " Jami-ut-

tuwarik "

> which tells of Christ's arrival in the kingdom of Nisibis, by

royal

> invitation. (Nisibis is today known as Nusaybin in Turkey) . This

is

> reiterated in the Imam Abu Jafar Muhammed's " Tafsi-Ibn-i-Jamir at-

> tubri. " Kersten found that in both Turkey and Persia there are

> ancient stories of a saint called " Yuz Asaf " ( " Leader of the

> Healed " ), whose behaviour, miracles and teachings are remarkably

> similar to that of Christ.

>

> The many Islamic and Hindu historical works recording local

history

> and legends of kings, noblemen and saints of the areas thought to

be

> travelled by Jesus also give evidence of a Christ like man; the

> Koran, for example, refers to Christ as " Issar " . Further east, the

> Kurdish tribes of Eastern Anatolia have several stories describing

> Christ's stay in Eastern Turkey after his resurrection. These

> traditional legends have been ignored by the theological

community.

>

> It is necessary to understand the remaining years of the

resurrected

> Christ to compare that with the present general Resurrection.

>

> However, unlike eternal incarnations/deities/prophets like Jesus,

we

> are taking part in the Resurrection as mortal human beings. The

> Resurrection for humans is a life-long attempt to evolve into the

> eternal spirit (moksa). Only after physical death will we know

> whether we succeeded or not. Either way only death provides

> evidence of resurrection. This irrefutable evidence was provided

by

> Jesus for all humanity through His death. Jesus died to show that

we

> too can be resurrected. i base my belief in the present

Resurrection

> because He has already provided proof through His own resurrection

> two millennia ago.

>

> But unlike Him, we will not appear before our friends and loved

ones

> a few days after death, or take the Caribbean cruise cancelled due

to

> Katrina. No, visiting exotic resorts or catching up with freinds

will

> not happen. That is the fundamental difference between Jesus'

> resurrection and our taking part in The Resurrection.

>

> warmest regards,

>

>

> jagbir

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir and Violet,

 

I want to thank you both for asking and answering difficult questions

that have helped me. Thank you both so much. You both are very

enligtened souls.

 

Love,

 

Chuck

 

, " Violet " <vtubb@b...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir and All,

>

> Thank you for that clear answer.

>

> Going into the Silence to find the answers is an important function

of being a Self-Realized person, that needs to be practised.

>

> Too many rank and file are meditating, but have never learned to

enter the Silence where they find the answers, and if a new meditator

may perchance ask a too difficult question, the SY will probably say

that they do not know, or will ask the leaders.

>

> i suppose i could even say that many rank and file SY's do not go

within to find the answers, but go to leaders to find the answers.

>

> And yet....what do the leaders know.....if they cannot themselves

find the answers in the Silence within.

>

> i would like to say that the fact that you, Jagbir, can be asked a

most difficult question, and you do not baulk at it, but contemplate,

meditate, and go into the Silence to obtain the answer is one of the

great examples for others to follow, yet many will rather follow the

understanding of their leaders and follow that, rather than find the

answers from within.

>

> In the case of these 'difficult' questions that i have asked, the

Christian conditionings needed to be addressed by someone like

yourself, so i found it easier for you to explain. Thank you so much

again.

>

> Also, i want to say, that on these forums, most of those SY's who

write here, do go within to find the answers, rather than asking

their leaders. Yet this seems to be a crime punishable by ex-

communication.

>

> What can i say, but be stupefied by the fact that if a person, also

like myself can talk from my own experiences, and go within to find

answers for other people's sometimes very difficult questions, that i

have been asked by a fellow SY to check if i am " possessed " for doing

that. Just because i do try and help others and explain things as

described, i was asked to check to see if i was " possessed " . The way

was to put a piece of paper on my hands in front of a photo of Shri

Mataji to see if my hands shake, and if they do, i am " possessed " .

>

> i told this SY that i speak and write from my heart; it comes from

my heart, and this SY said to me, " No, it comes from your ego " . i had

to convince this person over and over again that no.....it comes from

my heart.

>

> It is like the leader is right, if you say anything different from

what the leader says that is the right way to do, think, write (never

mind what SM says)....it is the leader that counts in this analysis.

The " you better check to see if you are possessed' mentality kicks

in. What kind of mentality is this, where commonsense and reasoning

are competely bypassed. It is absolutely crazy, that Sahaja Yoga

Organizational Leadership has lead people to become like this.

>

> So, what hope is there for rank and file SY's when they lean on the

understanding of SY leaders who are even afraid to talk about the

Resurrection, let alone answer them like you have, Jagbir?

>

> Warmest regards,

>

> Violet

>

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org> wrote:

> >

> > , " Violet "

> <vtubb@b...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagbir,

> > >

> > > 'Jesus died to show that we too can be resurrected'.

> > >

> > > i can understand Jesus's Death and Resurrection much more

> clearly

> > now that i know that Jesus laid down His Life and took it up

again

> in

> > order to show that human beings too can have a bodily

resurrection

> > whereby they are able to become the Spirit. It is a relief to be

> able

> > to mentally dispense with the false doctrine that He 'died for

our

> > sins'.....a statement that Jesus Himself never ever said so.

Thank

> > you, Jagbir, for helping to clarify this Christian misconception.

> > >

> > > Jagbir, i know that when we have our Self-Realization the

> Kundalini

> > Mother rises within us and connects our Spirit to the Kingdom of

> God

> > within.....and this is known as our Resurrection. At risk of

> > repeating myself (from my last post)... my question is: Is this

> the

> > same Resurrection that Jesus experienced, or was Jesus's

> Resurrection

> > different somehow?

> > >

> > > i am just trying to understand, as Jesus actually physically

> died

> > in order to Resurrect Himself, whereas we do not have to die

> > physically in order to have our Self-Realization....a.k.a. " Our

> > Resurrection " . i would be most appreciative if you could clarify

> this

> > for me.

> > >

> > > Warmest regards,

> > >

> > > Violet

> > >

> >

> >

> > Dear Violet,

> >

> > Thank you for asking 'difficult' questions that i am sure will

> > benefit many in the long run. Given the fact that our collectives

> are

> > constantly engaged in the mind-boggling and awe-inspiring debates

> of

> > catches and cures, which i cannot possibly explain due to a

> general

> > deficiency of 'special' grey matter and obvious mental malaise, i

> > really appreciate questions that peel the layers of Shri Mataji's

> > Divine Message. Please do not hesitate to repeat if necessary.

> >

> > So here are answers that required some Silence.

> >

> > The present en masse resuurection is unlike that of Jesus who

> died,

> > resurrected Himself and appeared before His disciples in a few

> days.

> > After that He travelled East with His mother Mary.

> >

> > The Russian scholar, Nicolai Notovich, was the first to suggest

> that

> > Christ may have gone to India. In 1887, Notovich, a Russian

> scholar

> > and Orientalist, arrived in Kashmir during one of several

journeys

> to

> > the Orient. At the Zoji-la pass Notovich was a guest in a

Buddhist

> > monastery, where a monk told him of the bhodisattva saint

> > called " Issa " . Notovich was stunned by the remarkable parallels

of

> > Issa's teachings and martyrdom with that of Christ's life,

> teachings

> > and crucifixion.

> >

> > For about sixteen years, Christ travelled through Turkey, Persia,

> > Western Europe and possibly England. He finally arrived with Mary

> to

> > a place near Kashmir, where she died. After many years in

Kashmir,

> > teaching to an appreciative population, who venerated him as a

> great

> > prophet, reformer and saint, he died and was buried in a tomb in

> > Kashmir itself.

> >

> > The first step in Christ's trail after the Crucifixion is found

in

> > the Persian scholar F. Mohammed's historical work " Jami-ut-

> tuwarik "

> > which tells of Christ's arrival in the kingdom of Nisibis, by

> royal

> > invitation. (Nisibis is today known as Nusaybin in Turkey) . This

> is

> > reiterated in the Imam Abu Jafar Muhammed's " Tafsi-Ibn-i-Jamir at-

> > tubri. " Kersten found that in both Turkey and Persia there are

> > ancient stories of a saint called " Yuz Asaf " ( " Leader of the

> > Healed " ), whose behaviour, miracles and teachings are remarkably

> > similar to that of Christ.

> >

> > The many Islamic and Hindu historical works recording local

> history

> > and legends of kings, noblemen and saints of the areas thought to

> be

> > travelled by Jesus also give evidence of a Christ like man; the

> > Koran, for example, refers to Christ as " Issar " . Further east,

the

> > Kurdish tribes of Eastern Anatolia have several stories

describing

> > Christ's stay in Eastern Turkey after his resurrection. These

> > traditional legends have been ignored by the theological

> community.

> >

> > It is necessary to understand the remaining years of the

> resurrected

> > Christ to compare that with the present general Resurrection.

> >

> > However, unlike eternal incarnations/deities/prophets like Jesus,

> we

> > are taking part in the Resurrection as mortal human beings. The

> > Resurrection for humans is a life-long attempt to evolve into the

> > eternal spirit (moksa). Only after physical death will we know

> > whether we succeeded or not. Either way only death provides

> > evidence of resurrection. This irrefutable evidence was provided

> by

> > Jesus for all humanity through His death. Jesus died to show that

> we

> > too can be resurrected. i base my belief in the present

> Resurrection

> > because He has already provided proof through His own

resurrection

> > two millennia ago.

> >

> > But unlike Him, we will not appear before our friends and loved

> ones

> > a few days after death, or take the Caribbean cruise cancelled

due

> to

> > Katrina. No, visiting exotic resorts or catching up with freinds

> will

> > not happen. That is the fundamental difference between Jesus'

> > resurrection and our taking part in The Resurrection.

> >

> > warmest regards,

> >

> >

> > jagbir

> >

>