Was Jesus born from a virgin woman?

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, " davesyogi "

<davesyogi> wrote:

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> > , " jagbir singh "

> > <adishakti_org> wrote:

> > >

> > > we are divine beings where Brahman/Shakti (God/Holy Spirit)

> > > exists within. (Many religious folks find this hard to

> > > comprehend/accept.)

> >

> , " davesyogi "

> <davesyogi> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Jagbir

> > I remember when I told my mother that the spirit within her is a

> > part of GOD,and she looked at me and told me if it's ok if I'd go

> > for a psychiatric treatment.That was a very sad day of my life,

> > because I realized people do not want the truth,even family. They

> > would rather save enough money for a great coffin. I want to

> > thank you for explaining the process of self-realization. Now

> > I understand much better.

> > Jai Shri Mataji!

> > May GOD be with you,Jagbir,and all of us too.

> >

> > Dave

> >

 

Dear Dave,

 

i do not blame your mother because most Christians and Muslims have

been conditioned to believe the Divine does not exist in humans. But

if you check the Bible and Qur'an you will know that is not the case.

God does exist within all of us as Light in the Kingdom of God

(Sahasrara Chakra) within. That is why images of holy persons

normally have a halo of light around the head. This is the Light, the

presence of God within all humans.

 

It is indeed unfortunate that the strict teachings of the Middle Ages

has given rise to such a situation. That humans are born sinners

ensured all traces of divinity was expunged from church teachings and

the consciousness of the faithful.

 

However, this is a difficult concept to comprehend even for those

whose eastern religious traditions uphold such a truth. Many will be

unable to tell you what form the Divine is within.

 

You can forget asking them about the Sahasrara (Kingdom of God

within) because extremely few will be able to explain. You don't have

to go far. Even SYs have little idea what the Sahasrara is all about,

except, of course, the location of the various chakras, catches and

cures. Tell them that the Shakti has been witnessed to exist within

and they will label you " possessed " . Just like your mother, it is the

revelation of deep mystical truths that rattles and makess them

uneasy despite Shri Mataji's teachings. They just want to remain in

the comfort zone of lemons and chillies, and bask in their ability to

memorize various ritualistic cures at the snap of the finger. This is

the enlightenment that sustains their belief, not that of the

Sahasrara or Divine Message. (Had to advise Dave just in case you [or

Violet] become nostalgic of SY collectives.)

 

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> Dear Jagbir

> Was Jesus born from a virgin woman? I was thinking about this last

> days.I was thinking why there are none born from a virgin anymore.

> As I am aware,there must be a material exchange on the DNA

> factor,for a pregnancy to happen.I could be wrong.

>

 

i have always believed that Mother Mary was a 'virgin' when concieved

with Jesus. By this i mean no intercourse took place with her husband

i.e., she was never impregnated by him. That does not mean she never

had a physical relationship to consumate her marriage. No, she had a

normal life but when it came to Her Son Jesus it was an act of the

Divine.

 

However, Jesus was not begotten as the Church has explained. It is

sheer blasphemy to even think the Divine impregnated Mother Mary. For

example, today women can be impregnated by artificial insemination

i.e., no intercourse takes place. But the Church did not have this

knowledge centuries ago. That is why it was believed that Mother Mary

was impregnated by God and Jesus was begotten. This is simply not

true.

 

The Qur'an gives a better explanation and Muslims understand the

miraculous birth better:

 

" Muslims believe that Jesus (called 'Isa in Arabic) was the son of

Mary, and was conceived without the intervention of a human father.

The Qur'an describes that an angel appeared to Mary, to announce to

her the " gift of a holy son " (19:19). She was astonished at the news,

and asked: " How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched

me, and I am not unchaste? " (19:20). When the angel explained to her

that she had been chosen for the service of God, and that God had

ordained the matter, she devoutly submitted herself to His will. "

 

Dave, we should thank the Internet for allowing us to gain/cross

examine knowledge almost instantly, especially in the West. India has

still only about 6 million rs, with less than a fifth

broadband. These figures are far less for Muslim and African nations.

i believe humanity is just about waking up to a great spiritual

rennaissance, accelerating when these countries are well interneted.

So just hold on to your faith.

 

warmest regrads,

 

 

jagbir

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, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> i have always believed that Mother Mary was a 'virgin' when

> concieved with Jesus. By this i mean no intercourse took place with

> her husband i.e., she was never impregnated by him. That does not

> mean she never had a physical relationship to consumate her

> marriage. No, she had a normal life but when it came to Her Son

> Jesus it was an act of the Divine.

>

 

 

Joseph, Husband of Mary

 

All that is known about Joseph is found in the Gospels (primarily

Matthew 1-2, but also in Luke 1-2). Matthew broadly represents

Joseph's viewpoint, while the Infancy narratives in Luke seem to come

from Mary's.

 

Descended from the royal line of David, Saint Joseph was the husband

of the Blessed Virgin Mary, who defended her good name, and foster

father and protector of the God Who made him, yet Who wished to be

known throughout His life as the son of Joseph.

 

He saw to Jesus's education and taught him his trade of carpentry or

building. Joseph's disappointment upon learning of Mary's pregnancy

was said to be assuaged by an angelic vision, and he was the

recipient of two more visions: one telling him to seek refuge in

Egypt to escape Herod's persecution, and the second, to return to

Palestine.

 

Saint Joseph bore the responsibilities of a father perfectly. A dream

told him that King Herod planned to kill the infant Jesus. Joseph

took Mary and Jesus away by night to Egypt and thus saved the life of

the Savior. He kept the child hidden from Herod's son in case he,

too, would have harmed Jesus.

 

Joseph was with Mary in the stable at Bethlehem when Jesus was born.

He was looking after the mother and child when the shepherds and the

Magi came to worship him. He took Mary and Jesus to Jerusalem to

present him to God in the Temple. He shared Mary's anxieties for her

son when Jesus was presumed lost, after their visit to the Temple

when he was 12.

 

After this no more is heard of Joseph in the New Testament except in

Luke 4:22, where he is named as the father of Jesus. He is not

mentioned as being present at the crucifixion, a fact that persuaded

many artists to portray him as an old man who had presumably died by

the time Jesus was in his early thirties.

 

The few Biblical particulars give an impression of a just, kind,

dignified and level-headed man, prompt in action but self-effacing.

The apocryphal Protoevangelium of James holds that he was an old man

when Jesus was born, but this appears unlikely when one considers the

fact that he reared Jesus and fulfilled the family duties.

 

Joseph, Husband of Mary

http://www.saintpatrickdc.org/ss/0319.htm