Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Hi, JAISHREE MATAJI, My question to this group is How to acheive NIRVACHARITA while doing meditation? Can anybody guide me ... -Ajay --- semirafields <semirafields wrote: > Dear Jagbir, > Thank you very much for all your explanations and > for the helpful > and enlightening information that you have posted. > You have spent a > lot of time and effort in compiling a base of > detailed information > for all spiritual seekers and have also shared much > of your personal > experiences so that people may understand and > overcome difficult > issues, and leave misery and hopelessness behind. > With love and appreciation, Semira > > > > , > " jagbir singh " > <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Semira, > > > > > > > > Definitely and without question the Divine > Message will triumph > > > > over the organization itself. In future more > and more people > will > > > > embrace its central message of evolving into > the eternal spirit > > > > that all religions, holy scriptures and > prophets have since > time > > > > immemorial upheld. The Divine Message is a > spiritual > sanctuary, a > > > > beacon of hope, joy, peace of eternal life to > all humans. The > > > > Shakti/Holy Spirit/Ruh/Aykaa Mayee is the > Divine Feminine that > > > > gives Self-realization/Birth of Spirit/Baptism > of Allah/Opens > > > > Dasam Dwar for humanity to enter the > Sahasrara/Kingdom of > > > > God/Niche of lights/Inner Sanctuary within > where Brahman/God > > > > Almighty/Allah/ Waheguru resides as THE LIGHT. > Semira, not only > > > > the current Sahaja Yoga organisation but all > religious > > > > organizations as well have merely been > intended as temporary > > > > vehicles and starting points for the Divine > Message. > > > > > > > > jagbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i would like to add that the Shakti/Holy > Spirit/Ruh/Aykaa Mayee > is > > > not really an intellectual premise but a faith > experience of the > > > Divine Message. Immediately after the Divine > Feminine gives Self- > > > realization/Birth of Spirit/Baptism of > Allah/Opens Dasam Dwar the > > > seeker will feel the Cool Breeze, the Ruach or > Breath of God, > > > flowing rom his/her hands and head. The Holy > Spirit is indeed a > > > daily experience of His Breath for the rest of > your life. The > > > Divine Message is a spiritual sanctuary, a > beacon of hope, joy, > > > peace of eternal life to all humans. > > > > > > " So we must know that it's a new explosion. > That's why I call it > > > Blossom Time, that we are definitely spiritual > people. We have > got > > > spirituality and that the Divine is working. So > the Kali Yuga is > > > finishing. Now it is the Krita Yuga . . . > > > > > > Krita Yuga means at the Time when this > All-Pervading Power has > > > started acting. Nobody felt the Cool Vibrations. > Can you believe > > > that? It was never related to any science. It > was never related > to > > > physical science especially. So I must say the > achievement of > > > Sahaja Yoga is tremendous . . . The > All-Pervading Power has > started > > > acting as I am on Earth! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala > Devi) > > > > > > Just a handful of humanity is stirring to the > faintest of Light > > > discernible at the earliest breaking of the > Divine Dawn. They are > > > the SYs who daily experience His breath flowing > through their > hands > > > and head, and meditate on His Spirit within. > They truly > understand > > > that the Shakti/Holy Spirit/Ruh/Aykaa Mayee is > not really an > > > intellectual premise but a faith experience of > the Resurrection > and > > > Last Judgment. All religious organizations have > merely been > > > intended as temporary vehicles and starting > points for the Divine > > > Message, the collective culmination of God's > Plan for humanity. > > > > > > jagbir > > > > > > > > > > > > Harmony of Religions > > > > " Truth is one; sages call it by various names, " > the Rig Veda, one > of > > Vedanta's most ancient texts, declared thousands > of years ago. > > > > We are all seeking the truth, Vedanta asserts, and > that truth > comes > > in numerous names and forms. Truth—spiritual > reality—remains the > > truth though it appears in different guises and > approaches us from > > various directions. " Whatever path people travel > is My path, " says > > the Bhagavad Gita. " No matter where they walk, it > leads to Me. " > > > > If all religions are true, then what is all the > fighting about? > > > > Politics, mostly, and the distortions that > cultures and limited > human > > minds superimpose upon spiritual reality. What is > generally > > considered " religion " is a mixture of essentials > and > nonessentials; > > as Ramakrishna said, all scriptures contain a > mixture of sand and > > sugar. We need to take out the sugar and leave the > sand behind: we > > should extract the essence of religion—whether we > call it union > with > > God or Self-realization—and leave the rest behind. > Whatever helps > us > > to manifest our divinity we embrace; whatever > pulls us away from > that > > ideal, we avoid. > > > > The carnage inflicted upon the world in the name > of religion has > > precious little to do with genuine religion. > People fight over > > doctrine and dogma: we don't see people being > murdered over > attaining > > divine union! A " religious war " is really > large-scale egotism gone > > berserk. As Swami Prabhavananda, the founder of > the Vedanta > Society > > of Southern California, would smilingly say, " If > you put Jesus, > > Buddha, and Muhammad in the same room together, > they will embrace > > each other. If you put their followers together, > they may kill > each > > other! " > > > > Truth is one, but it comes filtered through the > limited human > mind. > > That mind lives in a particular culture, has its > own === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 , Ajay Agarwal <ajay_msh> wrote: > > Hi, > JAISHREE MATAJI, > > My question to this group is > How to acheive NIRVACHARITA while doing meditation? > > Can anybody guide me ... > > -Ajay > The only way Ajay is to slowly increase the gap in the Silence, and maintain it. Being detached and not getting your mind agitated will substantially accelerate progress. However, that is more easily said than done because the mind replays/reminds us constantly of mundane things, even conjures imaginary ones. Despite saying so attaining Nirvacharita for a few minutes is definitely possible after constant practice i.e., trying to be thoughtlessly aware as often as possible ......... daily and 24/7. You will have to remind yourself to do so at first but over time it becomes easier. The sure sign of progress will be thoughts breaking off abruptly in mid-sentence without any conscious effort. (i assure that you will function normally after some initial `glitches'. In my case it was/still is occasionally to repeat important facts.) But only those who experience the indescribable Bliss can sustain it longer. It is indeed difficult to attain this Bliss and i have only done so twice so far, though having been on the periphery a number of times. It is this Bliss that obliterates all thoughts and Nirvacharita is reached and sustained much longer. You may never want to come out of this experience though, being human, sooner or later the mind begins to worry/is agitated and withdraws involuntarily. i do believe that the Shakti within can bless you with the Bliss that sustains Nirvacharita, an unforgettable spiritual experience that hints of Eternal Joy. So Ajay either Silence, Bliss or Shakti can lead to Nirvacharita. If ever you can attain both Silence and Bliss simultaneously you will reach Nirvacharita instantly. However, if you have Silence, Bliss and Shakti i assure you will be in Nirvacharita for as long as you desire. It is my believe that only liberated souls have all three to sustain Nirvacharita for long periods of times i.e., weeks, months, years or longer. Maybe the Shakti may help you expereince the briefest of Nirvacharita if She wants. She may do so without your asking but i doubt that will happen if you ask. Just don't agitate your mind and pollute the Lake Of Conciousness within with any desire. Jai Shri Mataji, jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Dear Jagbir Thank you for this explanation which is very helpful. I am a beginner though. I can say that after a long practice I become thoughtless for a couple of minutes but I never felt the bliss. That makes me disheartened sometimes that will I ever recieve shrimataji's love. I always ask form my heart of hearts and try to forgive everyone. I don't feel guilty as well. I will continue meditating on her but I will be grateful if you can advice me on this. Jai shri mataji Preeti jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: , Ajay Agarwal <ajay_msh> wrote:>> Hi,> JAISHREE MATAJI,> > My question to this group is > How to acheive NIRVACHARITA while doing meditation?> > Can anybody guide me ...> > -Ajay> The only way Ajay is to slowly increase the gap in the Silence, and maintain it. Being detached and not getting your mind agitated will substantially accelerate progress. However, that is more easily said than done because the mind replays/reminds us constantly of mundane things, even conjures imaginary ones. Despite saying so attaining Nirvacharita for a few minutes is definitely possible after constant practice i.e., trying to be thoughtlessly aware as often as possible ........ daily and 24/7. You will have to remind yourself to do so at first but over time it becomes easier. The sure sign of progress will be thoughts breaking off abruptly in mid-sentence without any conscious effort. (i assure that you will function normally after some initial `glitches'. In my case it was/still is occasionally to repeat important facts.)But only those who experience the indescribable Bliss can sustain it longer. It is indeed difficult to attain this Bliss and i have only done so twice so far, though having been on the periphery a number of times. It is this Bliss that obliterates all thoughts and Nirvacharita is reached and sustained much longer. You may never want to come out of this experience though, being human, sooner or later the mind begins to worry/is agitated and withdraws involuntarily.i do believe that the Shakti within can bless you with the Bliss that sustains Nirvacharita, an unforgettable spiritual experience that hints of Eternal Joy.So Ajay either Silence, Bliss or Shakti can lead to Nirvacharita. If ever you can attain both Silence and Bliss simultaneously you will reach Nirvacharita instantly. However, if you have Silence, Bliss and Shakti i assure you will be in Nirvacharita for as long as you desire. It is my believe that only liberated souls have all three to sustain Nirvacharita for long periods of times i.e., weeks, months, years or longer. Maybe the Shakti may help you expereince the briefest of Nirvacharita if She wants. She may do so without your asking but i doubt that will happen if you ask. Just don't agitate your mind and pollute the Lake Of Conciousness within with any desire.Jai Shri Mataji,jagbir Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Dear Anil, By " twice " i meant that the Bliss was experienced for a sustained period while meditating way back in 1994. Before starting meditation i was slightly slouched on the chair but the Kundalini literally straightened me. This was like a whiplash and my back became erect and straight, an involuntary act over which i had no control. Then the Bliss came, slowly but surely in ever-increasing waves of intensity. i could feel the top of my Sahasrara opening and a powerful force flowing out so profusely that i felt being almost lifted from the chair by my head i.e., a sort of powerful vacuum sucking the top of my head and pulling it upwards. But the Bliss just kept increasing and i was intoxicated by the profusion of vibrations. The pleasure is indescribable and beyond any recreational drug or party drink i have taken. It is even better than the sexual act, like a sustained never-ending orgasm. After some time i began to wonder how long should i remain so because i had to catch a flight back to Montreal (from Malaysia) and guests were waiting for dinner at a nearby restaurant. Slowly i came out of the Bliss but the intoxication continued and lasted for hours. i was literally drunk with vibrations and unable to properly engage my friends at the dinner table. It was the best high in my life and i can honestly say that i have experienced almost all the different highs of drugs, alcohol and one-night stands. So I know what i am talking about and the Bliss beats all in every way imaginable. And i believe this was just a mild dose of Bliss. So finally we left for the airport where the flight was delayed. The whole entourage of family, friends and well-wishers came back home as the airport was only a few miles away. i immediately went back to meditate as i wanted to continue experiencing the intoxicating pleasure that was beyond all pleasures. Again i had the same experience for the second time. Till date it has not happened again. By periphery i mean almost experiencing the same Bliss for a sustained time. However, this bliss (not Bliss) lasts only for a few minutes and wears off rather quickly, about half an hour or less. i know if i do experience the Bliss that Shri Mataji/holy scriptures talk about i will not function properly for hours i.e., the intoxication leaves you suspended in a state of so much pleasure that you do not wish to return to normalcy. That has not happened but hope one day i will attain the 1994 Bliss. warmest regards, jagbir , anil kanhaua <hello_betu> wrote: > > Dear Jagbir, > Jai Shri Mataji ! > > Can you please elaborate what you have said ( depicted below), especially words.......... " twice " and " periphery " . I hope this will help others to understand things more. > Warm Regards! > Anil > > jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote: > But only those who experience the indescribable Bliss can sustain it > longer. It is indeed difficult to attain this Bliss and i have only > done so twice so far, though having been on the periphery a number of > times. It is this Bliss that obliterates all thoughts and > Nirvacharita is reached and sustained much longer. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Davesyogi is actually the banned Daniel/bibbycine/kriptodanny. Yet he pretends to not know himself: > This explains it.Some friends of mine shared the link with me,and I > was happy to read it. > > Who is this kriptodanny anyway?.Or whatever is his name. > i have deleted all his posts. jagbir , anil kanhaua <hello_betu> wrote: > > Thanks for your trial, davesyogi. However, I think those experiences of Jagbir are personal and only Jagbir can explain details if he wants to do that. Me waiting for Jagbir to hear something form his own............what he experienced " 'TWICE'' and what is meant by ''PERIPHERY''.......also ,,,how one can know one is in bliss or one is on periphery. I know its difficult to elaborate such things in words, but if Jagbir can and tries for that I hope so many new seekers and struggling seekers (like me) may be benefitted through that. > > Jai Shri Mataji !!! > Anil > > davesyogi <davesyogi> wrote: > , anil kanhaua > <hello_betu> wrote: > > > > Dear Jagbir, > > Jai Shri Mataji ! > > > > Can you please elaborate what you have said ( depicted below), > especially words.......... " twice " and " periphery " . I hope this will > help others to understand things more. > > Warm Regards! > > Anil > > > What Jagbir tried to say? By twice and periphery?? > I found a link to > http://kriptodanny.blogspot.com/2006/01/one-is-always-riding-horns- of-paradox.html > This explains it.Some friends of mine shared the link with me,and I > was happy to read it. > > Who is this kriptodanny anyway?.Or whatever is his name. > > Dave > > > jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote: > > But only those who experience the indescribable Bliss can > sustain it > > longer. It is indeed difficult to attain this Bliss and i have only > > done so twice so far, though having been on the periphery a number of > > times. It is this Bliss that obliterates all thoughts and > > Nirvacharita is reached and sustained much longer. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 Dear Jagbir, Thanks for reply. I do attain nirvacharita sometime ...but for seconds only...then my mind is again diverted to other worldly matters... even when i get cool breeze in my hands....i m not in nirvacharita...infact...i m " consicously aware " of that coolness feeling and hence i am not able to sustain the feeling for longer period......... Is there any method that i can medidate and do not divert my attention to hands ( while cool breeze flows)...or something else ........music is one option....but still dont know whether it will be worth? Thanks Ajay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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