SY leaders who are even afraid to talk about the Resurrection

[Guest guest]

Dear Violet,

 

Your sad experience with fellow SYs is but the tip of the iceberg of

problems that plague the organization. Shri Mataji's silence and

withdrawal, and the chain of events preceding this sudden departure,

should be taken as a positive sign. We must be able to see Her Play

behind the drama that is being witnessed. i am happy that She has

decided to withdraw and retire from affairs to let us SYs take

individual effort and responsibility to propagate Her Divine Message.

Violet, meditate and you will find joy, strength and encouragement

from the Silence. The Adi Shakti never does anything frivolously and

Her Mahamaya nature continues to confuse those nearest.

 

> Going into the Silence to find the answers is an important function

> of being a Self-Realized person, that needs to be practised.

>

 

All self-realized souls should try to imbibe this in their routine.

Over time you realize how the Paramchaitanya (All Pervading Power)

works to help you. This scared relationship cannot be explained

because of its subtle nature.

 

> Too many rank and file are meditating, but have never learned to

> enter the Silence where they find the answers, and if a new

> meditator may perchance ask a too difficult question, the SY will

> probably say that they do not know, or will ask the leaders.

>

 

Depending on leaders or senior SYs may be alright for newcomers. But

why is there no encouragement to seek answers from within, even

though Shri Mataji has told us time and again to introspect? i think

this is because few leaders or senior SYs are knowledgeable in Shri

Mataji's Divine Message, except perhaps about chakras, catches and

cures? i came to realize early that except for those topics they were

just like me on other issues. Thus when i begun questioning them on

the Divine Message i was shocked at the mediocrity and scarcity of

facts, a tribute to its petty, nay pariah, status. It was as if the

Holy Scriptures were not important to understand Sahaja Yoga. Now i

know they were right all along – there is scarcely any verse on

chakras, catches and cures. Since the 3 Cs are discussed daily there

is no need to enter the Silence. Most SYs become 3C experts and

insist newcomers learn the same and religiously follow the rituals.

 

 

> i suppose i could even say that many rank and file SY's do not go

> within to find the answers, but go to leaders to find the answers.

>

> And yet....what do the leaders know.....if they cannot themselves

> find the answers in the Silence within.

>

 

Violet, you can see now there is actually little reason to go within

since most questions are about chakras, catches and cures. It is only

when you want answers that concern the Divine Message does it become

necessary to go within. If you comprehend the Holy Scriptures in

relation to Shri Mataji's talks, the Silence will help you find

answers. You absolutely need such knowledge but many SYs are

satisfied with Grade One stuff.

 

 

> i would like to say that the fact that you, Jagbir, can be asked a

> most difficult question, and you do not baulk at it, but

> contemplate, meditate, and go into the Silence to obtain the answer

> is one of the great examples for others to follow, yet many will

> rather follow the understanding of their leaders and follow that,

> rather than find the answers from within.

>

 

Try asking leaders/senior SYs about the Last Judgment and

Resurrection in relationship to the Holy Scriptures and Shri Mataji's

talks and you will realize how ignorant many are. Sure they know a

lot of stories and facts about Shri Mataji's life, or details about

contemporary affairs. But does this external knowledge nourish your

spiritual growth?

 

So again we come back to the same question: " What spiritual knowledge

do they possess that requires consulting them for expert advice? " All

spiritual/religious knowledge has already been given by Shri Mataji

to last us a lifetime. We can only go within and seek answers in

Silence. That is the true meaning of being our own masters.

 

 

> In the case of these 'difficult' questions that i have asked, the

> Christian conditionings needed to be addressed by someone like

> yourself, so i found it easier for you to explain. Thank you so much

> again.

>

 

i agree it is easier to get better answers from someone who was never

conditioned by any religion, and is just interested in projecting the

Truth from all.

 

> Also, i want to say, that on these forums, most of those SY's who

> write here, do go within to find the answers, rather than asking

> their leaders. Yet this seems to be a crime punishable by ex-

> communication.

>

 

It is the only tool left to control those who refuse to conform to

their methods, or are not afraid of being open and honest. If too

many SYs become their own masters there will be little leverage left.

The threat of excommunication works by isolating the guilty party. It

is time to realize that it also enables the exiled to come

closer/seek solace from the Shakti within. Ultimately She will become

the most loyal friend they can have. Excommunication is actually a

blessing in disguise, one that i have always enjoyed.

 

 

> What can i say, but be stupefied by the fact that if a person, also

> like myself can talk from my own experiences, and go within to find

> answers for other people's sometimes very difficult questions, that

> i have been asked by a fellow SY to check if i am " possessed " for

> doing that. Just because i do try and help others and explain

> things as described, i was asked to check to see if i was

> " possessed " . The way was to put a piece of paper on my hands in

> front of a photo of Shri Mataji to see if my hands shake, and if

> they do, i am " possessed " .

>

 

This is a cruel thing to do. i am saddened by the method used to

create self-doubt and guilt. Are these people self-realized souls? Is

this the way the Inquisytion hounds those SYs who want to answer

questions by relating to their own experiences? This is really a mean

and adharmic act that must have the blessings of management SYs. i

say so because they must have discussed your participation on the

forum and presume i may have possessed you. In that case i must be

possessed too since all my children are already possessed. Remember

ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan?

 

 

> i told this SY that i speak and write from my heart; it comes from

> my heart, and this SY said to me, " No, it comes from your ego " . i

> had to convince this person over and over again that no.....it

> comes from my heart.

>

 

Such SYs have special words to label you. " Ego " , " left-

sided " , " catching " , " possessed " and " going out of Sahaja Yoga " are

the more common terms.

 

 

> It is like the leader is right, if you say anything different from

> what the leader says that is the right way to do, think, write

> (never mind what SM says)....it is the leader that counts in this

> analysis. The " you better check to see if you are possessed'

> mentality kicks in. What kind of mentality is this, where

> commonsense and reasoning are completely bypassed. It is absolutely

> crazy, that Sahaja Yoga Organizational Leadership has lead people

> to become like this.

>

 

Some leaders think they are an authority to be reckoned with, and

obeyed. If you do not sooner or later you will be discussed and

labeled. Violet, for you to be pasted with a " possessed " label means

you do not defer to authority i.e., your opinions clash/contradict

with that of leaders/senior SYs. Remember, i have possessed you and

made you adamant about being truthful about the Divine Message. All

who want to be honest and truthful about Sahaja Yoga will be

possessed too. It is a ready-made label for conscientious protestors.

 

But don't be surprised that some SYs are willing to brand/harass you

on their bidding. They may think they are actually helping you. Now i

know how exorcists feel about helping possessed victims.

 

 

> So, what hope is there for rank and file SY's when they lean on the

> understanding of SY leaders who are even afraid to talk about the

> Resurrection, let alone answer them like you have, Jagbir?

>

 

 

Perhaps the greatest tragedy is that of SY leaders who are even

afraid to talk about the Resurrection. But Violet, all the top

leaders have fallen one after another and bit the dust. i do not see

any leader rising anymore and those in charge will fade away over the

years. Without the Divine Message official Sahaja Yoga is just like a

pea amongst hundreds of yoga pods available in the market. Few

seekers are now interested in the free self-realization and chakras

lessons. All the hype of so many people getting self-realization at

so and so place is getting quieter and infrequent. Despite all

the propaganda some SYs have begun to read the graffiti is on the

wall that the emperors have no clothes.

 

So let them label you as possessed. That is their final parting curse

for being your own master, one who is able to articulate the Divine

Message of the Resurrection to fellow humans. Just remain firmly

established in Truth and Dharma till all obstacles are overcome. One

day your oppressors will be a distant memory, a bad dream you would

rather forget. Begin to enjoy the bliss of a global collective being

created to propagate Her Divine Message of the Resurrection. Look

forward to discharging your duties towards the Adi Shakti by

collectively helping to commence Satya Yuga by 2013. Just forget them.

 

Jai Shri Mataji,

 

 

jagbir

 

 

, " Violet " <vtubb@b...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir and All,

>

> Thank you for that clear answer.

>

> Going into the Silence to find the answers is an important function

of being a Self-Realized person, that needs to be practised.

>

> Too many rank and file are meditating, but have never learned to

enter the Silence where they find the answers, and if a new meditator

may perchance ask a too difficult question, the SY will probably say

that they do not know, or will ask the leaders.

>

> i suppose i could even say that many rank and file SY's do not go

within to find the answers, but go to leaders to find the answers.

>

> And yet....what do the leaders know.....if they cannot themselves

find the answers in the Silence within.

>

> i would like to say that the fact that you, Jagbir, can be asked a

most difficult question, and you do not baulk at it, but contemplate,

meditate, and go into the Silence to obtain the answer is one of the

great examples for others to follow, yet many will rather follow the

understanding of their leaders and follow that, rather than find the

answers from within.

>

> In the case of these 'difficult' questions that i have asked, the

Christian conditionings needed to be addressed by someone like

yourself, so i found it easier for you to explain. Thank you so much

again.

>

> Also, i want to say, that on these forums, most of those SY's who

write here, do go within to find the answers, rather than asking

their leaders. Yet this seems to be a crime punishable by ex-

communication.

>

> What can i say, but be stupefied by the fact that if a person, also

like myself can talk from my own experiences, and go within to find

answers for other people's sometimes very difficult questions, that i

have been asked by a fellow SY to check if i am " possessed " for doing

that. Just because i do try and help others and explain things as

described, i was asked to check to see if i was " possessed " . The way

was to put a piece of paper on my hands in front of a photo of Shri

Mataji to see if my hands shake, and if they do, i am " possessed " .

>

> i told this SY that i speak and write from my heart; it comes from

my heart, and this SY said to me, " No, it comes from your ego " . i had

to convince this person over and over again that no.....it comes from

my heart.

>

> It is like the leader is right, if you say anything different from

what the leader says that is the right way to do, think, write (never

mind what SM says)....it is the leader that counts in this analysis.

The " you better check to see if you are possessed' mentality kicks

in. What kind of mentality is this, where commonsense and reasoning

are competely bypassed. It is absolutely crazy, that Sahaja Yoga

Organizational Leadership has lead people to become like this.

>

> So, what hope is there for rank and file SY's when they lean on the

understanding of SY leaders who are even afraid to talk about the

Resurrection, let alone answer them like you have, Jagbir?

>

> Warmest regards,

>

> Violet

>

>