Guest guest Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 TO all here, THis is an email that i have written and sent to certain yogis in the collective i am apat of whom have become very close. Its almost a group within a collective of very likeminded people who clearly see the flaws of how the collective is run and want to change it. The replies I got for them in reagrds to this was great and they agreed; so now the work starts guess. I wanted to share this all with you maybe partly because of my ego, but also to show that there are people younger ( 24-29) that really want to do SY the way it was meant to be taught and are not all brainwashed so to speak. Enjoy Kyyan ============= DEAR ALL, (the yogi i originally named will remain absent to protect his privacy) " " is right, and I have been thinking this and discussing this with many yogis online for many months. What it comes down to is exactly what (name withheld) yogi said: - telling the truth. Holding a meeting once a week to give realization is good, but how much is truly being done to get mothers message out there like she has asked repeatedly, which is the message that it is the last judgement and resurrection time as prophesied in the bible and other spiritual texts, and that she is the Adi Shakti, (the incarnation of the Holy spirit), the breath of God, that has been promised by Jesus to come in the time before the end to comfort people, and to teach all he could not teach about the kingdom of God. In laymen's terms, it is the time for us to Ascend as a whole and individually and that The Adi Shakti (Holy Spirit)is here on earth to connect us to Ourselves and to GOD, allowing us time to purify ourselves and introduce others to Her and to them selves so they have the same chance and to be saved and to enjoy the spirit and all the blessing that go along with it. I feel that the Ashram is suffering as well, in part to what (name withheld) has said, but I feel also because we are not openly declaring the truth of what SY is, basically not doing as mother has asked. DO we really think that SY is going to spread like wildfire if we cloak it to initial visitors as a yoga that raises the kundalini and works on the chakras? I mean in a huge sea of similar yogas and meditation classes that are out there as well that claim to raise the kundalini and do this and that with the Chakras, and even another " group " that claims their leader is the incarnation of the Adi Shakti (yes there is another meditation group claiming an obvious fake who has no power to be the Adi Shakti), do we really think that marketing this as a " special yoga " or stress relief and health benefit yoga is going to get followers when there are already loads of the same out there that charge lots of money (people feel secure and ensured of the benefit if they have to pay for some reason) and put so much into flashy advertising, while we twinkle like a Christmas light on a sunny day? I know that people may be fearful that many won't accept the fact that " judgement day " as it were, is actually a period of time (not a day) in which we are currently living and may scoff, ridicule or run away from SY. Even more to that point, many are probably scared that if we openly tell others, especially beginners, that SY is not just a meditation, but is the only way to take part in the Last Judgement and it is our birth right, as well as the fact that Mother is the Holy Spirit( ***not just an incarnation who remains nameless at first, or a guru, or highly evolved soul as it is being said at most meetings) that these people may flee and never return or not come back because its too religious or whatever. There is no doubt this may happen, but by far I can't see it as being a trend. IF anything, if more people know the depth and truth of SY and who mother is right up front, whether they believe or not, they would be more inclined to stay on or keep it locked in there heads like " what if what they are saying is true? " instead of running away and never returning. I mean right now how many really return or practice, especially those who have damaged their subtle system so much that they don't feel anything for quite some time? How many of those people will come back if they feel nothing, knowing that its just another meditation to bring peace to the mind, like the thousands out there claiming the same thing as we are currently explaining SY to people? They would and will not return because they have gotten nothing out of it. If people knew the truth, and that this was not just a meditation but the connection to the Holy spirit and " heaven " and that the one who is in the picture is actually the Holy Spirit, they would be more inclined to stay despite feeling little or nothing. Not only that, those that run may eventually come back because of this fact and besides, how well has our " bait people with a special yoga and tell the whole truth later " idea worked for SY and our collective so far. By the looks of things, not very good, or at least as well as it could be working. The way I see it, deceiving people or only telling part of the truth or a " half truth " is still lying, and how long are we going to lie or deceive in order to tell the truth? The end does not justify the means, especially when Mother has asked us to declare the time of Judgement and resurrection is now and that she is the Adi Shakti. The quote to which I am referring are below; think about them: **I am the Adi Shakti. I am the One who has come on this Earth for the first time in this form to do this tremendous task . The more you understand this the better it would be. You will change tremendously. I knew I'll have to say that openly one day and we have said it. But now it is you people who have to prove it that I am that! " Shri Adi-Shakti Devi Sydney, Australia — March 21, 1983** ** " You have to take a stand in your family, in your surroundings, with your friends, and you have to tell them, " You better all get realized. " The reason for that is that the Christ who crucified Himself is going to come back with his Eleven Forces of Destruction. And when He starts He is not going to ask you to take any Realization. No one is going to be bothered whether you are going to hell. He will just sort out. But those who have got Realization will enter into the Kingdom of God. You have to enter into the Kingdom of God here (pointing to the Sahastrara in the photo)), as I say, in the Seventh Chakra. " Shri Adi Shakti Devi The New Age Has Started, Houston, USA — Oct. 6, 1981** **Words of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi: " Tell all the nations and tell all the people, all over, the great message - that the time of Resurrection is Here. Now, at this time, and that you all are capable of doing it. You are the ones who are capable of manifesting God's joy on this earth. You are the flutes which are going to play the Melody of God. I am doing all this to perfect you to be the 'most' beautiful instruments of God. Like the ship is built, is brought to the sea, tried, and found out to be sea-worthy to sail out, when you know everything about the ship, everything about the sea, with complete freedom and wisdom, you have to sail now. Not afraid of any storms or any gales or any typhoons because now all you 'know'. Your job is to cross through. " You become the Ocean, you become the Moon, you become the Sun, you become the Earth, you become the Ether, the firmament - and you become, the Spirit. You work for all of them. All the stars and universes you become, and take up their work. (Australian Sahaja Newsletter - 28 September 1996)** She has said all of this back in 1996 and how many people out there worldwide in SY have openly done this, and how many other people know about it outside of SY? I agree with (name withheld) that other people are not afraid to tell of their faiths and explain to people why their faith is the way. Why are we so fearful of ridicule? People ridiculed Jesus but he stood firm on the truth, knowing that what he was saying was absolute; in the same way all fears should be given up because what we are doing and what has been asked of us is absolute asked of us by the absolute. The speeches we watch and the knowledge given is not only for us to enjoy and benefit from, but for everyone to know of and benefit from. Why can we openly declare and worship her as the Adi Shakti in private but then keep quite about the greatest opportunity for mankind and what many are watching the skies for signs and searching for in public, especially since those are the very people who are looking for God and who we have been chosen to help save. How can we save people using dishonesty or hidden agendas, when the mode of saving people is the truth? If we are scared, like (name withheld) said, just let Mother Do it all. We have to be up-front with the truth, however powerful and fearful it may be for some, including ourselves, and surrender the rest to mother, including the words. She will help us, guide us and take care of everything as She wills it, not how we think it should be taken care of . IF people run, they run, if they stay they stay; at least they are running or staying based on knowing the truth, and whatever people choose and what they decided to do and go through is all up to Mother. We are the instruments(however badly blocked they are heheh- in my case) and all we have to do is tell the truth and allow Mother to play the music that will draw and sooth the listeners, comforting them and introducing them to Her. We do nothing anyways, so why are we worried about doing nothing; we simply do nothing and let Mother take care of everything. My point is we need to tell who Shri Mataji is up front and that this is the last resurrection and judgement as prophesied in the bible etc, as well as explaining the subtle system and how it works etc. as is being already done, all the time, in public and at meetings or one on one situations, which we should all strive to put ourselves in more (grass roots! as I was talking about in the other letter) and let mother work out the rest. At least we will be doing what she asked us instead of dodging it, and we will know no matter what happens, we are standing on the truth and doing as she asked us, so we will be looked after. To me, I would rather be standing before " MOTHER " at the end of this life knowing I helped Her do what She came her for and She asked of me, in total truth and with all my effort, than be asked by Her " why did you waste so much time, enjoying the pure knowledge for yourself only, instead of surrendering fear to me and doing as I asked? " That's all I have to say on that. Either way, whatever is decided to be done officially is fine. I will without a doubt, 100% of the time (and hopefully you all will be with me in this despite what other older, more established yogis may think) telling people up front the truth about SY and let them decide what they will do about it, and let Mother work it all out. With love as always; take care Kyyan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 , " semirafields " <semirafields wrote: > > Dear Kyyan, > Thanks for sharing your email. > What you have written below brings to my mind a vision I had in > meditation a while ago; > I saw a brown horse, tied up and forgotten about and neglected. > The horse was dejected and mournful, and was waiting. While I > watched, the horse began to change into white energy. The change > began at the throat and spread from here over the face and > backwards; the horse was transforming into what looked like a > powerful and beautiful white light/energy, which could no longer > be tied up or restrained by anything. > > Love and best wishes, Semira > And i have also something to add to your wonderful dream Semira, perhaps that will answer Kyyan's desire for change and transparency. i will quote what was posted just a week ago: Every Thursday morning i go through the excellent and comprehensive WebTrends report that is sent once a week. There is so much information available that will take hours to go through if you are so inclined to examine all the details. Since the second half of last year the results have always been encouraging, a good omen for the future of the Divine Message. Things are really moving in the right direction and the latest indicators again point to that. i still do not want to read too much as my measure of success is rather conservative and reflects the immense effort and success of the SY management in suppressing the truth about Shri Mataji and Her Divine Message. However, given all the negativity, we are consistently exposing more of humanity despite all opposition, self-doubt, cowardice, dishonesty and hypocrisy. The latest WebTrend report for www.adishakti.org shows that the 5,000 visitors per day mark may soon be breached. Remember, we had around 2,000 plus average last October and that has doubled now. For this week ending 1-25-2006 they are: Thursday - 4,257 Friday - 4,366 Saturday - 3,876 Sunday - 4,190 Monday - 4,896 Tuesday - 4,333 Wednesday - 4,255 /message/5591 The latest WebTrend figures for daily visitors are: Thursday Jan. 26 - 4,460 Friday Jan. 27 - 4,139 Saturday Jan. 28 - 4,095 Sunday Jan. 29 - 4,311 Monday Jan. 30 - 5,055 Tuesday Jan. 31 - 5,529 Wednesday Feb. 1 - 5,486 Kyyan, everything is working well according to Semira's dream and WebTrend is evidence of this optimism. The Divine Message is definitely spreading and can no longer be tied up or restrained by anything. All the negative forces working against it within the Sahaja Yoga organization are being overcome - leaders, WCASY and murmuring souls. Over time increasing number of SYs will realize all your concerns and come to their senses. It is the younger generation who will work for honesty and transparency because the senior SYs are not going to change the subtle system mentality. The Divine Message, tied up and forgotten about and neglected by management SYs is now transforming into what looks like a powerful and beautiful white light/energy, which can no longer be tied up or restrained by anything. All we need are fearless and dedicated souls willing to perform their duty to the Adi Shakti. Those who want to help can do so by sending the www.adishakti.org links to as many seekers as possible. And do not ever listen to what murmuring souls/leaders have to say about the websites. They are the ones who have never obeyed Shri Mataji's instructions to " TELL ALL THE NATIONS! " Not only that but they also have prevented others from carrying out this sacred duty of every Sahaja Yogi. This negativity itself is an evil force working against the Divine Plan for humanity. Do not unwittingly join forces and work against Shri Mataji. Just meditate and contemplate on Shri Mahamaya's Silence, and you will understand why it is necessary. It is time for us to " TELL ALL THE NATIONS! " ......... while She is still on Earth. We must fulfill Her vision and victory despite the present odds. The tide is indeed just turning and 5,000 + daily visitors is the proof we needed. It is a significant milestone and the future will only get better. Jai Shri Mataji, jagbir > > , " v_koa " <v_koa@> > wrote: > > TO all here, > > THis is an email that i have written and sent to certain yogis > in the collective i am apat of whom have become very close. Its > almost a group within a collective of very likeminded people who > clearly see the flaws of how the collective is run and want to > change it. The replies I got for them in reagrds to this was > great and they agreed; so now the work starts guess. > > I wanted to share this all with you maybe partly because of my > ego, but also to show that there are people younger ( 24-29) that > really want to do SY the way it was meant to be taught and are not > all brainwashed so to speak. > > Enjoy > > Kyyan > ============= > > > DEAR ALL, > > (the yogi i originally named will remain absent to protect his > privacy) " " is right, and I have been thinking this and discussing > this with many yogis online for many months. > > What it comes down to is exactly what (name withheld) yogi > said: - telling the truth. Holding a meeting once a week to give > realization is good, but how much is truly being done to get > mothers message out there like she has asked repeatedly, which > is the message that it is the last judgement and resurrection > time as prophesied in the bible and other spiritual texts, and > that she is the Adi Shakti, (the incarnation of the Holy spirit), > the breath of God, that has been promised by Jesus to come in the > time before the end to comfort people, and to teach all he could > not teach about the kingdom of God. In laymen's terms, it is the > time for us to Ascend as a whole and individually and that The Adi > Shakti (Holy Spirit)is here on earth to connect us to Ourselves > and to GOD, allowing us time to purify ourselves and introduce > others to Her and to them selves so they have the same chance and > to be saved and to enjoy the spirit and all the blessing that go > along with it. > > I feel that the Ashram is suffering as well, in part to what > (name withheld) has said, but I feel also because we are not > openly declaring the truth of what SY is, basically not doing as > mother has asked. DO we really think that SY is going to spread > like wildfire if we cloak it to initial visitors as a yoga that > raises the kundalini and works on the chakras? I mean in a huge > sea of similar yogas and meditation classes that are out there as > well that claim to raise the kundalini and do this and that with > the Chakras, and even another " group " that claims their leader is > the incarnation of the Adi Shakti (yes there is another meditation > group claiming an obvious fake who has no power to be the Adi > Shakti), do we really think that marketing this as a " special > yoga " or stress relief and health benefit yoga is going to get > followers when there are already loads of the same out there that > charge lots of money (people feel secure and ensured of the > benefit if they have to pay for some reason) and put so much into > flashy advertising, while we twinkle like a Christmas light on a > sunny day? > > I know that people may be fearful that many won't accept the > fact that " judgement day " as it were, is actually a period of time (not a day) in which we are currently living and may scoff, ridicule or run away from SY. Even more to that point, many are probably scared that if we openly tell others, especially beginners, that SY is not just a meditation, but is the only way to take part in the Last Judgement and it is our birth right, as well as the fact that Mother is the Holy Spirit( ***not just an incarnation who remains nameless at first, or a guru, or highly evolved soul as it is being said at most meetings) that these people may flee and never return or not come back because its too religious or whatever. There is no doubt this may happen, but by far I can't see it as being a trend. IF anything, if more people know the depth and truth of SY and who mother is right up front, whether they believe or not, they would be more inclined to stay on or keep it locked in there heads like " what if what they are saying is true? " instead of running away and never returning. I mean right now how many really return or practice, especially those who have damaged their subtle system so much that they don't feel anything for quite some time? How many of those people will come back if they feel nothing, knowing that its just another meditation to bring peace to the mind, like the thousands out there claiming the same thing as we are currently explaining SY to people? > > They would and will not return because they have gotten nothing > out of it. If people knew the truth, and that this was not just a > meditation but the connection to the Holy spirit and " heaven " and > that the one who is in the picture is actually the Holy Spirit, they would be more inclined to stay despite feeling little or nothing. Not only that, those that run may eventually come back because of this fact and besides, how well has our " bait people with a special yoga and tell the whole truth later " idea worked for SY and our collective so far. By the looks of things, not very good, or at least as well as it could be working. > > The way I see it, deceiving people or only telling part of the > truth or a " half truth " is still lying, and how long are we going to lie or deceive in order to tell the truth? The end does not justify the means, especially when Mother has asked us to declare the time of Judgement and resurrection is now and that she is the Adi Shakti. The quote to which I am referring are below; think about them: > > **I am the Adi Shakti. I am the One who has come on this Earth for the first time in this form to do this tremendous task . The more you understand this the better it would be. You will change > tremendously. > > I knew I'll have to say that openly one day and we have said it. > But now it is you people who have to prove it that I am that! " > > Shri Adi-Shakti Devi > Sydney, Australia — March 21, 1983** > > > ** " You have to take a stand in your family, in your surroundings, with your friends, and you have to tell them, " You better all get realized. " The reason for that is that the Christ who crucified Himself is going to come back with his Eleven Forces of Destruction. And when He starts He is not going to ask you to take any Realization. No one is going to be bothered whether you are going to hell. He will just sort out. But those who have got Realization will enter into the Kingdom of God. You have to enter into the Kingdom of God here (pointing to the Sahastrara in the photo)), as I say, in the Seventh Chakra. " > > Shri Adi Shakti Devi > The New Age Has Started, > Houston, USA — Oct. 6, 1981** > > > **Words of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi: > > " Tell all the nations and tell all the people, all over, the great message - that the time of Resurrection is Here. Now, at this time, and that you all are capable of doing it. You are the ones who are capable of manifesting God's joy on this earth. You are the flutes which are going to play the Melody of God. I am doing all this to perfect you to be the 'most' beautiful instruments of God. Like the ship is built, is brought to the sea, tried, and found out to be sea-worthy to sail out, when you know everything about the ship, everything about the sea, with complete freedom and wisdom, you have to sail now. Not afraid of any storms or any gales or any typhoons because now all you 'know'. Your job is to cross through. " > > You become the Ocean, you become the Moon, you become the Sun, you become the Earth, you become the Ether, the firmament - and you > become, the Spirit. You work for all of them. All the stars and > universes you become, and take up their work. > > (Australian Sahaja Newsletter - 28 September 1996)** > > She has said all of this back in 1996 and how many people out > there worldwide in SY have openly done this, and how many other > people know about it outside of SY? I agree with (name withheld) > that other people are not afraid to tell of their faiths and explain to people why their faith is the way. Why are we so fearful of ridicule? People ridiculed Jesus but he stood firm on the truth, > knowing that what he was saying was absolute; in the same way all > fears should be given up because what we are doing and what has been asked of us is absolute asked of us by the absolute. > > The speeches we watch and the knowledge given is not only for us > to enjoy and benefit from, but for everyone to know of and benefit > from. Why can we openly declare and worship her as the Adi Shakti in private but then keep quite about the greatest opportunity for > mankind and what many are watching the skies for signs and searching for in public, especially since those are the very people who are looking for God and who we have been chosen to help save. How can we save people using dishonesty or hidden agendas, when the mode of saving people is the truth? If we are scared, like (name withheld) said, just let Mother Do it all. We have to be up-front with the truth, however powerful and fearful it may be for some, including ourselves, and surrender the rest to mother, including the words. She will help us, guide us and take care of everything as She wills it, not how we think it should be taken care of . IF people run, they run, if they stay they stay; at least they are running or > staying based on knowing the truth, and whatever people choose and > what they decided to do and go through is all up to Mother. We are > the instruments(however badly blocked they are heheh- in my case) > and all we have to do is tell the truth and allow Mother to play the music that will draw and sooth the listeners, comforting them and introducing them to Her. We do nothing anyways, so why are we > worried about doing nothing; we simply do nothing and let Mother > take care of everything. > > My point is we need to tell who Shri Mataji is up front and that > this is the last resurrection and judgement as prophesied in the > bible etc, as well as explaining the subtle system and how it works etc. as is being already done, all the time, in public and at > meetings or one on one situations, which we should all strive to put ourselves in more (grass roots! as I was talking about in the other letter) and let mother work out the rest. At least we will be doing what she asked us instead of dodging it, and we will know no matter what happens, we are standing on the truth and doing as she asked us, so we will be looked after. To me, I would rather be standing before " MOTHER " at the end of this life knowing I helped Her do what She came her for and She asked of me, in total truth and with all my effort, than be asked by Her " why did you waste so much time, enjoying the pure knowledge for yourself only, instead of > surrendering fear to me and doing as I asked? " > > That's all I have to say on that. Either way, whatever is decided to be done officially is fine. I will without a doubt, 100% of the time (and hopefully you all will be with me in this despite what other older, more established yogis may think) telling people up front the truth about SY and let them decide what they will do about it, and let Mother work it all out. > > With love as always; take care > > Kyyan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 > > , " semirafields " > <semirafields@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kyyan, > > Thanks for sharing your email. > > What you have written below brings to my mind a vision I had in > > meditation a while ago; > > I saw a brown horse, tied up and forgotten about and neglected. > > The horse was dejected and mournful, and was waiting. While I > > watched, the horse began to change into white energy. The change > > began at the throat and spread from here over the face and > > backwards; the horse was transforming into what looked like a > > powerful and beautiful white light/energy, which could no longer > > be tied up or restrained by anything. > > > > Love and best wishes, Semira > > > Dear Semira, i have realized your dream has a deeper meaning. " The change began at the throat and spread from here over " can only mean the Vishuddhi Chakra. i know Shri Mataji has said that only when America awakens will the rest of the world follow and Her Message will spread. Years ago (October 10, 1993) She mentioned that at least 16,000 SYs are required in North America. " It is very important, you all should understand your own responsibility. So between South and North America we have to at least have 16,000 Sahaja Yogis. " However, till date they are far from achieving that figure. The reason is that even though " collectivity has to be the maximum in America, but it is not. There are many problems of collectivity there, but still they realize they have to be collective. There are so few who are Sahaja Yogis " . That was said by Shri Mataji in Melbourne on April 10, 1991. Today, nearly 15 years later it is just as bad, maybe worse. The opposition and negativity to the websites/forums fullfilling Shri Mataji's command to " TELL ALL THE NATIONS " found fertile grounds in the Land of Vishuddhi. All the ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan had to do was whisper his lies into the ears of influential/senior SYs and the Inquisytion began. Today North American SYs twiddle their thumbs and wonder why things have never worked out despite years of hard work, effort and sacrifice. The subtle system agenda just does not work anymore. There are hardly any public programs in North America nowadays and the exhaustion has set in. But we have given proof that seekers are looking for the Divine Message, the very message that Shri Mataji commanded SYs to " TELL ALL THE NATIONS " . We are furnishing evidence that more and more people are reading about it and the 5,000 visitors per day mark has been attained, and that number will only grow. WCASY and management SYs now have no reason whatsoever not to follow Shri Mataji's instructions. So what will happen to those who do not want to TELL ALL THE NATIONS? How will this negativity be overcome? What are the options left to those conscientious and dharmic SYs who want to be honest and transparent about their faith? Can we overcome this evil force that want Her Divine Message be suppressed? What can we do about the enemies who do not want you to TELL ALL THE NATIONS? " Vishuddhi chakra is the centre of the Virata. The message of Shri Krishna was to surrender. When Shri Krishna was talking about surrender He was saying, " surrender your enemies to me so that I will get rid of them " . " That is all we need to do according to Shri Mataji. Everything is working according to Her Play and the dramas played out lately are most conducive to us being able to TELL ALL THE NATIONS about Her Divine Message to humanity. Let Shri Krishna destroy all enemies of the Divine Message. He has given us the ability and power of the Vishuddhi Chakra to communicate the Truth to humanity - The Internet! The change and increasing desire to TELL ALL THE NATIONS has now began at the throat (Vishuddhi Chakra/Americas) and will spread from here (America, Land of the Vishuddhi) over the face and backwards (all over the world). That is what the dream symbolizes Semira. Jai Shri Mataji, jagbir " Today we are going to celebrate the puja of Virata and Viratangana. North America and South America, as you know is the Shri Krishna's center of Vishuddhi. And it is very important to know also that all the communications, all the relationships with the whole creation has to be established through this center of Vishuddhi. Vishuddhi, as you know is the most important center in your ascent, in a way. Because Sahaja Yoga is not only meant for your ascent but for the ascent of the whole world, and only through Vishuddhi you can achieve it. Even if you get your self realization and you get all the powers, unless and until you use your Vishuddhi, it won't work out. Look at my Vishuddhi also, talking, talking everywhere, keeping communications, Vishuddhi goes out. Also, this Vishuddhi chakra being so important it is under attack. Attack of the negative force. ... So you have to look after the law and order of the whole world. You have to look after people who are suffering in this world. You have to look after all the suppressions and the wars and all the civil wars everywhere, is all your headache, because you are sitting in the land of Virat. So He's the Father, He's what you call Johoba. He's Akhbar. So on the brain level when Kundaline reaches and enlightens your brain then this science as you know becomes logical, but you know meta science because the brain which was only knowing science now knows the source of science. The whole thing it can see clearly. Like you climb up a hill or a mountain, the higher you go you can see the whole vision of a place. In the same way whatever is created out of your brain, anything, you start getting the whole vision of it what they have created. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi 10.10.93 Los Angeles " Shri Krishna has become the Virata, the Great Primordial Being, so this is the 11th power of destruction. He has the power called Samhara Shakti by which he kills people. So, before killing them and finishing them off, in the compassion of your Mother, we have to first try to transform them. If they cannot be transformed then it’s alright, then let Ekadasha take over. So these 11 very great destructive powers will be used by the Kalki, the One who is going to manifest on a white horse. Before that, today is a very great day that we are going to use these powers for transformation. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi 21.May.84 " May God bless you all, in your work which you are trying to do for the good of Americans. It is a responsibility to save America. You know it is the Vishuddhi chakra and all the responsibility of Sahaja Yoga rests on Vishuddhi chakra. So how important it is that this transformation is to take place. Unless and until the transformation comes in, you will see it will not work out. You cannot talk to people, you cannot communicate with them. So you must pray that transformation process must start, must trigger, and must gallop, and must go on spreading like wildfire. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi " But one thing they must have discrimination. And the power of discrimination or we can say, the chakra of Hamsa is in Canada. If they stop exploiting Canadians, and if Canadians know that this discrimination power that they have got, if they are awakened to that, I am sure the combination of these two countries will work out the collectivity much better and they can do a lot of emancipation of human beings. " " It's a very, very important country for us because it is Vishuddhi and Vishuddhi is controlling part of the whole body of our work. We will see that when we will see Vishnu's Sahasranam (thousand names) we will see how many qualities Vishnu has and how many things He has to work out in this world and this is the thing that they have to work out. America is the instrument of Shri Vishnu so it has to be awakened. Shri Vishnu sleeps a lot, and He is sleeping in America. So we have to awaken Him and once we awaken Him, I am sure He will work out His instrument and something new will come out. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi " The best way to develop that absolute nature of your Vishuddhi Chakra is to witness the whole thing with a detached mind. And to develop love for your Mother in your heart, so that She cleanses all these enemies, in such a way that when you are faced with them, you are a powerful person. Shri Krishna is one of the aspects of Sadashiva which is the Father. And the Adi Shakti or the Holy Ghost is the other aspect of Sadashiva which is His Power. The first aspect of Shri Krishna we have to understand is the Yogeshwara and the second aspect of him as the Virata. The element a yogi controls is ether. When you enter into your ethereal zone, you actually enter into the area which is thoughtless awareness. The greatest quality of Yogeshwara is that He is not at all involved into it, detached, absolutely. Whatever He is, He is complete: sixteen petals is complete moon, sixteenth day of the moon is Purnima. That is how one has to be, complete in oneself. But confidence should not be confused with ego. Confidence is complete wisdom, it is complete dharma. It's complete love, complete beauty, and is complete God. That's what it should be. It is the Virata Shakti that is manifesting at this time and not the Shri Krishna Shakti which was at His time. So the integration of this brain has to take place with Heart and with your liver. Then only the Virata Shakti takes another form. The weapons of killing become the weapons of forgiveness. So you are the fruits. That Viratangana Shakti, you are the fruits. We are going to worship that Virata Shakti which has given fruits. Absolutely the humility inside is really going to give you the complete value of Sahaja Yoga fruits. Achieve the completion of this Virata Shakti which ultimately becomes a 'Madhurya Shakti'. Vishuddhi chakra is the centre of the Virata. The message of Shri Krishna was to surrender. When Shri Krishna was talking about surrender He was saying, " surrender your enemies to me so that I will get rid of them " . " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi > And i have also something to add to your wonderful dream Semira, > perhaps that will answer Kyyan's desire for change and transparency. i will quote what was posted just a week ago: > > Every Thursday morning i go through the excellent and comprehensive > WebTrends report that is sent once a week. There is so much > information available that will take hours to go through if you are > so inclined to examine all the details. > > Since the second half of last year the results have always been > encouraging, a good omen for the future of the Divine Message. > Things are really moving in the right direction and the latest > indicators again point to that. i still do not want to read too much as my measure of success is rather conservative and reflects the > immense effort and success of the SY management in suppressing the > truth about Shri Mataji and Her Divine Message. However, given all > the negativity, we are consistently exposing more of humanity > despite all opposition, self-doubt, cowardice, dishonesty and > hypocrisy. > > The latest WebTrend report for www.adishakti.org shows that the > 5,000 visitors per day mark may soon be breached. Remember, we had > around 2,000 plus average last October and that has doubled now. For this week ending 1-25-2006 they are: > > Thursday - 4,257 > Friday - 4,366 > Saturday - 3,876 > Sunday - 4,190 > Monday - 4,896 > Tuesday - 4,333 > Wednesday - 4,255 > > /message/5591 > > The latest WebTrend figures for daily visitors are: > > Thursday Jan. 26 - 4,460 > Friday Jan. 27 - 4,139 > Saturday Jan. 28 - 4,095 > Sunday Jan. 29 - 4,311 > Monday Jan. 30 - 5,055 > Tuesday Jan. 31 - 5,529 > Wednesday Feb. 1 - 5,486 > > Kyyan, everything is working well according to Semira's dream and > WebTrend is evidence of this optimism. The Divine Message is > definitely spreading and can no longer be tied up or restrained by > anything. All the negative forces working against it within the > Sahaja Yoga organization are being overcome - leaders, WCASY and > murmuring souls. Over time increasing number of SYs will realize all your concerns and come to their senses. It is the younger generation who will work for honesty and transparency because the senior SYs are not going to change the subtle system mentality. > > The Divine Message, tied up and forgotten about and neglected by > management SYs is now transforming into what looks like a powerful > and beautiful white light/energy, which can no longer be tied up or > restrained by anything. All we need are fearless and dedicated souls willing to perform their duty to the Adi Shakti. Those who want to help can do so by sending the www.adishakti.org links to as many seekers as possible. And do not ever listen to what murmuring > souls/leaders have to say about the websites. They are the ones who > have never obeyed Shri Mataji's instructions to " TELL ALL THE > NATIONS! " Not only that but they also have prevented others from > carrying out this sacred duty of every Sahaja Yogi. This negativity > itself is an evil force working against the Divine Plan for > humanity. Do not unwittingly join forces and work against Shri > Mataji. Just meditate and contemplate on Shri Mahamaya's Silence, > and you will understand why it is necessary. It is time for us > to " TELL ALL THE NATIONS! " ......... while She is still on Earth. We must fulfill Her vision and victory despite the present odds. The > tide is indeed just turning and 5,000 + daily visitors is the proof we needed. It is a significant milestone and the future will only get better. > > Jai Shri Mataji, > > > jagbir > > > > > , " v_koa " <v_koa@> > > wrote: > > > > TO all here, > > > > THis is an email that i have written and sent to certain yogis > > in the collective i am apat of whom have become very close. Its > > almost a group within a collective of very likeminded people who > > clearly see the flaws of how the collective is run and want to > > change it. The replies I got for them in reagrds to this was > > great and they agreed; so now the work starts guess. > > > > I wanted to share this all with you maybe partly because of my > > ego, but also to show that there are people younger ( 24-29) that > > really want to do SY the way it was meant to be taught and are not all brainwashed so to speak. > > > > Enjoy > > > > Kyyan > > ============= > > > > > > DEAR ALL, > > > > (the yogi i originally named will remain absent to protect his > > privacy) " " is right, and I have been thinking this and discussing > > this with many yogis online for many months. > > > > What it comes down to is exactly what (name withheld) yogi > > said: - telling the truth. Holding a meeting once a week to give > > realization is good, but how much is truly being done to get > > mothers message out there like she has asked repeatedly, which > > is the message that it is the last judgement and resurrection > > time as prophesied in the bible and other spiritual texts, and > > that she is the Adi Shakti, (the incarnation of the Holy spirit), > > the breath of God, that has been promised by Jesus to come in the > > time before the end to comfort people, and to teach all he could > > not teach about the kingdom of God. In laymen's terms, it is the > > time for us to Ascend as a whole and individually and that The Adi > > Shakti (Holy Spirit)is here on earth to connect us to Ourselves > > and to GOD, allowing us time to purify ourselves and introduce > > others to Her and to them selves so they have the same chance and > > to be saved and to enjoy the spirit and all the blessing that go > > along with it. > > > > I feel that the Ashram is suffering as well, in part to what > > (name withheld) has said, but I feel also because we are not > > openly declaring the truth of what SY is, basically not doing as > > mother has asked. DO we really think that SY is going to spread > > like wildfire if we cloak it to initial visitors as a yoga that > > raises the kundalini and works on the chakras? I mean in a huge > > sea of similar yogas and meditation classes that are out there as > > well that claim to raise the kundalini and do this and that with > > the Chakras, and even another " group " that claims their leader is > > the incarnation of the Adi Shakti (yes there is another meditation > > group claiming an obvious fake who has no power to be the Adi > > Shakti), do we really think that marketing this as a " special > > yoga " or stress relief and health benefit yoga is going to get > > followers when there are already loads of the same out there that > > charge lots of money (people feel secure and ensured of the > > benefit if they have to pay for some reason) and put so much into > > flashy advertising, while we twinkle like a Christmas light on a > > sunny day? > > > > I know that people may be fearful that many won't accept the > > fact that " judgement day " as it were, is actually a period of time > (not a day) in which we are currently living and may scoff, ridicule > or run away from SY. Even more to that point, many are probably > scared that if we openly tell others, especially beginners, that SY > is not just a meditation, but is the only way to take part in the > Last Judgement and it is our birth right, as well as the fact that > Mother is the Holy Spirit( ***not just an incarnation who remains > nameless at first, or a guru, or highly evolved soul as it is being > said at most meetings) that these people may flee and never return > or not come back because its too religious or whatever. There is no > doubt this may happen, but by far I can't see it as being a trend. > IF anything, if more people know the depth and truth of SY and who > mother is right up front, whether they believe or not, they would be > more inclined to stay on or keep it locked in there heads like " > what if what they are saying is true? " instead of running away and > never returning. I mean right now how many really return or > practice, especially those who have damaged their subtle system so > much that they don't feel anything for quite some time? How many of > those people will come back if they feel nothing, knowing that its > just another meditation to bring peace to the mind, like the > thousands out there claiming the same thing as we are currently > explaining SY to people? > > > > They would and will not return because they have gotten nothing > > out of it. If people knew the truth, and that this was not just a > > meditation but the connection to the Holy spirit and " heaven " and > > that the one who is in the picture is actually the Holy Spirit, > they would be more inclined to stay despite feeling little or > nothing. Not only that, those that run may eventually come back > because of this fact and besides, how well has our " bait people with > a special yoga and tell the whole truth later " idea worked for SY > and our collective so far. By the looks of things, not very good, or > at least as well as it could be working. > > > > The way I see it, deceiving people or only telling part of the > > truth or a " half truth " is still lying, and how long are we going > to lie or deceive in order to tell the truth? The end does not > justify the means, especially when Mother has asked us to declare > the time of Judgement and resurrection is now and that she is the > Adi Shakti. The quote to which I am referring are below; think about > them: > > > > **I am the Adi Shakti. I am the One who has come on this Earth > for the first time in this form to do this tremendous task . The > more you understand this the better it would be. You will change > > tremendously. > > > > I knew I'll have to say that openly one day and we have said it. > > But now it is you people who have to prove it that I am that! " > > > > Shri Adi-Shakti Devi > > Sydney, Australia — March 21, 1983** > > > > > > ** " You have to take a stand in your family, in your > surroundings, with your friends, and you have to tell them, " You > better all get realized. " The reason for that is that the Christ who > crucified Himself is going to come back with his Eleven Forces of > Destruction. And when He starts He is not going to ask you to take > any Realization. No one is going to be bothered whether you are > going to hell. He will just sort out. But those who have got > Realization will enter into the Kingdom of God. You have to enter > into the Kingdom of God here (pointing to the Sahastrara in the > photo)), as I say, in the Seventh Chakra. " > > > > Shri Adi Shakti Devi > > The New Age Has Started, > > Houston, USA — Oct. 6, 1981** > > > > > > **Words of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi: > > > > " Tell all the nations and tell all the people, all over, the > > great message - that the time of Resurrection is Here. Now, at this > time, and that you all are capable of doing it. You are the ones who > are capable of manifesting God's joy on this earth. You are the > flutes which are going to play the Melody of God. I am doing all > this to perfect you to be the 'most' beautiful instruments of God. > Like the ship is built, is brought to the sea, tried, and found out > to be sea-worthy to sail out, when you know everything about the > ship, everything about the sea, with complete freedom and wisdom, > you have to sail now. Not afraid of any storms or any gales or any > typhoons because now all you 'know'. Your job is to cross through. " > > > > You become the Ocean, you become the Moon, you become the Sun, > you become the Earth, you become the Ether, the firmament - and you > > become, the Spirit. You work for all of them. All the stars and > > universes you become, and take up their work. > > > > (Australian Sahaja Newsletter - 28 September 1996)** > > > > She has said all of this back in 1996 and how many people out > > there worldwide in SY have openly done this, and how many other > > people know about it outside of SY? I agree with (name withheld) > > that other people are not afraid to tell of their faiths and > explain to people why their faith is the way. Why are we so fearful > of ridicule? People ridiculed Jesus but he stood firm on the truth, > > knowing that what he was saying was absolute; in the same way all > > fears should be given up because what we are doing and what has > been asked of us is absolute asked of us by the absolute. > > > > The speeches we watch and the knowledge given is not only for us > > to enjoy and benefit from, but for everyone to know of and benefit > > from. Why can we openly declare and worship her as the Adi Shakti > in private but then keep quite about the greatest opportunity for > > mankind and what many are watching the skies for signs and > searching for in public, especially since those are the very people > who are looking for God and who we have been chosen to help save. > How can we save people using dishonesty or hidden agendas, when the > mode of saving people is the truth? If we are scared, like (name > withheld) said, just let Mother Do it all. We have to be up-front > with the truth, however powerful and fearful it may be for some, > including ourselves, and surrender the rest to mother, including the > words. She will help us, guide us and take care of everything as She > wills it, not how we think it should be taken care of . IF people > run, they run, if they stay they stay; at least they are running or > > staying based on knowing the truth, and whatever people choose and > > what they decided to do and go through is all up to Mother. We are > > the instruments(however badly blocked they are heheh- in my case) > > and all we have to do is tell the truth and allow Mother to play > the music that will draw and sooth the listeners, comforting them > and introducing them to Her. We do nothing anyways, so why are we > > worried about doing nothing; we simply do nothing and let Mother > > take care of everything. > > > > My point is we need to tell who Shri Mataji is up front and that > > this is the last resurrection and judgement as prophesied in the > > bible etc, as well as explaining the subtle system and how it > works etc. as is being already done, all the time, in public and at > > meetings or one on one situations, which we should all strive to > put ourselves in more (grass roots! as I was talking about in the > other letter) and let mother work out the rest. At least we will be > doing what she asked us instead of dodging it, and we will know no > matter what happens, we are standing on the truth and doing as she > asked us, so we will be looked after. To me, I would rather be > standing before " MOTHER " at the end of this life knowing I helped > Her do what She came her for and She asked of me, in total truth and > with all my effort, than be asked by Her " why did you waste so much > time, enjoying the pure knowledge for yourself only, instead of > > surrendering fear to me and doing as I asked? " > > > > That's all I have to say on that. Either way, whatever is > decided to be done officially is fine. I will without a doubt, 100% > of the time (and hopefully you all will be with me in this despite > what other older, more established yogis may think) telling people > up front the truth about SY and let them decide what they will do > about it, and let Mother work it all out. > > > > With love as always; take care > > > > Kyyan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Dear All, This is to continue the thread TELL ALL THE NATIONS and also to present some points to meditate on in conjunction with the Shivaratri Puja weekend. I recently came across the excerpt as appended below where Shri Mataji expresses in no uncertain terms what She wants of Sahaja Yogis in the dissemination of Her Divine Message. Although these words were spoken in England to the English Sahaja Yogis, these are really words for all the Sahaja Yogis of the world and for all time, or at least for the time remaining of the Last Judgment. Here are the highlights of Shri Mataji's speech: " Say what you want. There should be exuberance, exuberance of your ideas...Emphatically you have to say these... Let him be blasted! Doesn't matter, say everything that you have to say. Absolutely, with full heart... Why should we not, when this is the truth. Why should we not tell them and talk to them in that manner... When you've to say it, say it in a very blasty way, doesn't matter. What are they going to do? They can't crucify me this time, can they? They dare not... So you better say what you've found out, in a big way. And tell them in a big way... " And Shri Mataji stresses that there should be no understatement (in the expression of the Divine Message), as the English and the Sahaja Yogis are wont to; no weasel words in expressing the glory of Her Incarnation. C. " ...Seven main auras, and these come from the brain which is the seat. Now in the centre, at the Brahmarandhra we've got the heart chakra, alright. The heart is here, and around it are all these auras, if you see, in the brain. In the same way, they are surrounding the heart. So if you know about them, it will circulate, the knowledge will circulate, but circulate with love, without any aggressiveness, without any showing-off, without any cunning, without any sarcasm; in a full, straight-forward, loving manner. But for that we have to remember that we have developed lots of antidotes in England. Like the words I've seen people use, very common is, 'That may be too much,' 'It may be too much.' 'They're frightened.' 'One shouldn't say too much.' You should, when you say too much at least little bit will go into their heads. So you have to say too much. Say what you want. There should be exuberance, exuberance of your ideas, so that something goes into their heads. They know that you're sincere, you're saying it sincerely, you cannot contain within yourself. Emphatically you have to say these. That's what everybody did. All those who were great incarnations said it with such concern, with such force. In the same way, you have to say without any fear. 'Oh, that may be too much, Mother it was too much for him.' Let him be blasted! Doesn't matter, say everything that you have to say. Absolutely, with full heart. But when people come to Sahaja Yoga, when they come for say, a workshop or something, we try to be the same party people. Like in the party, you see, 'What will you have?' Then we'll say alright, let me think, 'What did I have yesterday, so I'll have today this thing.' It's like a shopping going on. No, you have to say, 'We have this and please have it now, otherwise you won't have it. This is the time!' Let them say what they like. It's important. I see sometimes your SDP conferences and all these, the way they speak, they just blast you, I mean, hammer in your head. Why should we not, when this is the truth. Why should we not tell them and talk to them in that manner. We think by being gentle... alright gentleness is different, but I mean to say by saying less than I say, understatement. It's typical English. 'That might be too much.' In Sahaja Yoga it is such a lot that how much are you going to pour out, can never be too much. So be careful on that. When you've to say it, say it in a very blasty way, doesn't matter. What are they going to do? They can't crucify me this time, can they? They dare not. Otherwise perfectly alright, nothing can touch me. And even crucifixion cannot touch me, you know that. So you better say what you've found out, in a big way. And tell them in a big way, of course loving and gentle manner but tell them, the concern should be there. Alright? Now this is what it is one has to understand that there is nothing, 'Say a little bit,' then they think, 'He's a shaky man.' But when they sing horrible songs on the mike, eating the mike, I say eating the mike music.They go on aggressing on the mike and people go mad with it, they like it. I don't say you aggress but don't say anything less, understatement is not needed. There should not be any balancing in that. Those people who'll be appeased by that will not be good Sahaja Yogis. They cannot come in the Kingdom of God. We don't have to be begging of them but we have to honour them, we have to respect them, we have to be kind to them, but we have to give them what we have. Like in the family, you go, you get everything from the fridge and give it to them, they'll be very happy to take it whatever you like, what a spread. But if you put one little fish and two eggs for ten people with one chili to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon, they will think, 'What's this going on here. Wishy-washy stuff.' ( " The English are scholars, " Sheffield, 21/9/85) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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