Guest guest Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Dear Jagbir and All, i am happy that things have worked out and i am going back to the collective (along with my hubby) who also comes with me. In some ways i have enjoyed the experience of being away from the local collective because it gave me a greater sense of the big spiritual picture in my life, and in other ways i have not enjoyed being away from the local collective, because i truly missed the collective meditation and collective pujas. There is nothing quite like collective meditation and pujas that is very spiritually satisfying and uplifting, except my own experience of deep meditation on the Adi Shakti within myself. i just do not want to be put into an `organizational box', that's all. i want the freedom to be myself, my own Spirit, and not be ruled, regulated, or `boxed in'. i also want to go because i love to go and i have much joy in going, but i never want to feel obligated to go, which takes away the joy. i don't necessarily want to get involved in all collective activities such as catering and money raising for example, because i live far away, and i feel my work is on these forums and that is how i do the work in my own life for Shri Mataji. i also would like the collective to grow spiritually in becoming more and more in such a way that new people will be very happy, welcome, accepted, nurtured, loved. This state can only be there if yogis who are already there are accepting each other regardless of external differences or differences of individual opinions/experiences. After all, it is the Divine Element Within which is the Absolute Truth that connects and binds us as One Collective Being, not the differences in opinion. As long as a person behaves dharmically, i see no need for rules, regulations, and 'boxings-in' to be the order of the day, whereby all yogis have to have the same opinions on everything in order to be accepted. Provided a person behaves dharmically, i also do not see any reason why one yogi should tell another yogi what to do, what is right and what is wrong, because no yogis is 100% right and no yogi is 100% wrong either; only the Absolute Truth is 100% right, so i feel we need to be flexible and appreciate and respect each other's differences. After all, that is what makes ourselves interesting to each other. If we were not all 'different drops of the Divine' and all the same, what a boring life this would be. It is the differences in each of us, that allow us all to help each other with our different strengths in different areas of our spiritual lives. i definitely do not claim to be a perfect person, that is for sure! i think as long as i am in this body, i will never be a perfect person. So everyone, is different. We all have these different permutations and combinations. We all are working at evolving spiritually. What works for one person, may not work for the next. That is why each person has to become their own guru in connection with the Mother within who is our real Guru, and will teach us from within, when we ask Her. Jagbir, i want to ask you... is what i expect from my local collective too much to ask for, or am i right in asking/expecting just to be left to follow my own individual spiritual path within as a Sahaja Yogi and as a guru of myself and at the same time, desiring to have fellowship with other Sahaja Yogis who will accept me on that basis and not try to tell me what to do or how to think? Of course, i am happy to make contributions to the local collective, and have agreed to write and help out with Public Program Pamphlets and similar things, but publishing and writing is what i like to do, so i am definitely pleased to help out in that way and it also makes me feel that i am valued for what i can contribute. Love and best wishes, Violet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 , " Violet " <violet.tubb wrote: > > Dear Jagbir and All, > > i am happy that things have worked out and i am going back to the > collective (along with my hubby) who also comes with me. > i am happy for you Violet (and your hubby too) that you can meet old frinds and like-minded spiritual souls after a long absence. > In some ways i have enjoyed the experience of being away from the > local collective because it gave me a greater sense of the big > spiritual picture in my life, and in other ways i have not enjoyed > being away from the local collective, because i truly missed the > collective meditation and collective pujas. There is nothing quite > like collective meditation and pujas that is very spiritually > satisfying and uplifting, except my own experience of deep > meditation on the Adi Shakti within myself. > Violet, you really missed the collective, didn't you? There is no doubt about that. It will be interesting to know the growth attained while in exile, compared to the stagnant collectives. You may experience some awkward moments that were removed while free, small details that nourished you to your present state. > i just do not want to be put into an `organizational box', that's > all. i want the freedom to be myself, my own Spirit, and not be > ruled, regulated, or `boxed in'. > That will be quite difficult Violet, unless you are determined not to regress backwards. It is not easy to stand out because few will understand your spiritual maturity and balance while living in exile in the wilderness here. So be upfront and transparent. Voice your protest if they try to mould you to their " 108 rules and treatments to be an obedient catch-free SY " . > i also want to go because i love to go and i have much joy in > going, but i never want to feel obligated to go, which takes away > the joy. > The collective should be thankful that you are returning. Endangered species should nurture their wounded and dying with all the love and care. > i don't necessarily want to get involved in all collective > activities such as catering and money raising for example, because > i live far away, and i feel my work is on these forums and that is > how i do the work in my own life for Shri Mataji. > You are logically correct, femininely intuitive and spiritually matured Violet to feel that way. i assure that your Christian theological background infused into your work on the Internet will pay off many times over. i had you in mind too when the decision to change the web format to Textpattern was taken. The best and most vital work for Shri Mataji is yet to come. You will probably spend your entire life to usher Her Divine Message onto human consciousness. Always channel your energies to what you love most. Work in projects that will nourish, sustain and deepen your faith. Nothing beats working for the Adi Shakti within. (Your collective is still involved with Her external aspects.) > i also would like the collective to grow spiritually in becoming > more and more in such a way that new people will be very happy, > welcome, accepted, nurtured, loved. This state can only be there > if yogis who are already there are accepting each other regardless > of external differences or differences of individual > opinions/experiences. After all, it is the Divine Element Within > which is the Absolute Truth that connects and binds us as One > Collective Being, not the differences in opinion. > As i mentioned earlier, you are going to experience some awkward moments. Few SYs are at your level and we are not talking about those holding Ph.Ds in chakralogy and micromatka bioengineering. So it will better you speak up if they insist you to return to the weekly cleansing (in order to deprogram your mind and sanitize your body of exile catches. i think you will find that under section #65 of " 108 rules and treatments to be a obedient catch-free SY " .) > As long as a person behaves dharmically, i see no need for rules, > regulations, and 'boxings-in' to be the order of the day, whereby > all yogis have to have the same opinions on everything in order to > be accepted. > Do not allow management robots to make you drones of those representing the Will of Shri Mataji. Never empower those who want to take away your individuality. Always know that you can protest here and we will make sure domineering characters like JN, AW or their lackeys are diced up into skewerable souvlaki sizes. i really dislike those who want to control SYs by verbal bullying and will bark incessantly at them. But those who pick the `weaker' sisterly sex will definitely be bitten ............... and relentlessly barked at in public to make sure that insults aggravates their injury too. That is the only way to stop such dry and domineering characters from bothering you. Through experience I have learnt that such bullies cannot be reasoned with. i hope they read this " DO NOT DISTURB " sign. > Provided a person behaves dharmically, i also do not see any > reason why one yogi should tell another yogi what to do, what is > right and what is wrong, because no yogis is 100% right and no > yogi is 100% wrong either; only the Absolute Truth is 100% right, > so i feel we need to be flexible and appreciate and respect each > other's differences. After all, that is what makes ourselves > interesting to each other. If we were not all 'different drops of > the Divine' and all the same, what a boring life this would be. It > is the differences in each of us, that allow us all to help each > other with our different strengths in different areas of our > spiritual lives. i definitely do not claim to be a perfect person, > that is for sure! i think as long as i am in this body, i will > never be a perfect person. > When a species is on the endangered list utmost care must be taken to ensure they are protected and nourished to sustain their kind through a crisis. i doubt if management SYs have learnt this lesson. That is why a " DO NOT DISTURB " is necessary. > So everyone, is different. We all have these different > permutations and combinations. We all are working at evolving > spiritually. What works for one person, may not work for the next. > That is why each person has to become their own guru in connection > with the Mother within who is our real Guru, and will teach us > from within, when we ask Her. > You are the exception rather than the norm Violet. Marking of attendance at the weekly cleansing will remind you of the chasm between being your own guru and following the collective herd. Most will be unable to comprehend your belief or will nod mechanically in agreement in order not to offend you. Their attention and projection of senses has always been on the external, physical Shri Mataji. That is why management SYs was up in arms at my mention that it is possible to meditate on the Divine Mother sans image. You just don't make such a heretical statement ……………………. to the ignorant. > Jagbir, i want to ask you... is what i expect from my local > collective too much to ask for, or am i right in asking/expecting > just to be left to follow my own individual spiritual path within > as a Sahaja Yogi and as a guru of myself and at the same time, > desiring to have fellowship with other Sahaja Yogis who will > accept me on that basis and not try to tell me what to do or how > to think? > Violet, you are absolutely right in requesting your desire to be your own guru be unconditionally accepted by the rank and file. i can assure you that they will one day move in your direction and take that path. It is just a matter of time before the Mahasamadhi of Shri Mataji will leave them initially bewildered and clueless. Then they will have to look for Her within themselves, in their own Sahasraras. They thus should accept you on that basis and not try to tell you what to do or how to think. In fact the opposite is presently required, or will have to be sought urgently after She leaves us. So please do not come down from the mountain to admire the view from the plateau they are collectively standing. How can they see what you have experienced from a higher consciousness and elevated awareness.? > Of course, i am happy to make contributions to the local > collective, and have agreed to write and help out with Public > Program Pamphlets and similar things, but publishing and writing > is what i like to do, so i am definitely pleased to help out in > that way and it also makes me feel that i am valued for what i can > contribute. > Do not be taken in by their " write and help out with Public Program Pamphlets " . Some of our 'leaders' are like politicians skilled in the art of patronizing and wooing. Their sense of belonging to an elite club does inflate their ego and believe of being chosen over the commoners like you and me. Their brainstorming sessions has always been with chosen grey matter members. Maybe things have begun to change with the recent dismantling of the SY power pyramid, belatedly initiated more by the crisis of abject failure than the debilitating demise caused by clashing egos and power struggles. i will let you know when this Brahminnical apex is completely crushed and mixed to the point of being indistinguishable from the untouchable sudra base of night-soil carriers like me. But everything is alright Violet and going according to Her Plan. Always remain your own master and you will be allowed to participate. Just stand on the Truth and do not yield even an inch to any human or external organization. Perhaps your exile was necessary after all. Jai Shri Mataji, jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: " Their attention and projection of senses has always been on the external, physical Shri Mataji. That is why management SYs was up in arms at my mention that it is possible to meditate on the Divine Mother sans image. You just don't make such a heretical statement ……………………. to the ignorant. " Dear Jagbir and All, First of all, thank you Jagbir, for all your most kind remarks and spiritual support that you have given me. It is this spiritual support from yourself and others as well, that has given me the confidence to be my own guru, and continue to be my own guru. We need to help each other and give each other the permission to indeed become our own gurus. As far as i am concerned, my spiritual family is with whomever i have spiritual relationships, whether over the internet or in person and i definitely enjoy the spiritual family i have on these forums, because we can share here without fear or favour. We are not afraid to discuss anything and everything like a true family usually do. Jagbir, all Sahaja Yogis are my family, but it is true that individual connection and knowledge of each other helps. We have to know each other to understand each other. i once heard an interesting and what i believe to be a most enlightened six words. They are: " To Know Someone Is To Love Them " How often have we maybe not liked someone until we really gave ourselves a chance to know them. It is my experience, though, that unless we give unconditional love to the other person, we will never really get to know them anyway. Unconditional love is the only quality that enables people to respond without barriers. i believe that Shri Mataji has Unconditional Love for everyone and therefore knows us very well. She does not look on outward appearances, but on the Heart of the Person. Therefore, if we really get to know someone, like Shri Mataji has done, whereby She has intensively introspected on all our permutations and combinations, i believe that we, like Shri Mataji will see the good in everyone, rather than the bad. Of course, we do not like to see people behaving badly, but we have the ability to see the gold that is there, just waiting to be revealed. In regards to meditating on the Divine Mother 'sans image', i know you are talking about the external image of Shri Mataji. However, those who are not using the external image of Shri Mataji to meditate on, are doing so because they have found the Internal Image of Shri Mataji within themselves. i am always seeing Her Internal Image within myself when i turn to Her in meditation, prayer, or conversation and it is Her Very Living Image. It is just there. i don't know how else to state that, but that it is JUST THERE. So even though we may not be focussing on Her external image, it is only because we ARE ACTUALLY meditating on what is Her LIVING IMAGE. Therefore, no one can say that we are not meditating on Her Image. The external image is there for us to use until we connect with Her Living Image from within. Spiritual growth always starts from externals and then goes to the internals. Every Spiritual Master of Eastern Mysticism teaches this fact, and uses this method. love and best wishes, Violet > , " Violet " > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jagbir and All, > > > > i am happy that things have worked out and i am going back to the > > collective (along with my hubby) who also comes with me. > > > > i am happy for you Violet (and your hubby too) that you can meet old > frinds and like-minded spiritual souls after a long absence. > > > > In some ways i have enjoyed the experience of being away from the > > local collective because it gave me a greater sense of the big > > spiritual picture in my life, and in other ways i have not enjoyed > > being away from the local collective, because i truly missed the > > collective meditation and collective pujas. There is nothing quite > > like collective meditation and pujas that is very spiritually > > satisfying and uplifting, except my own experience of deep > > meditation on the Adi Shakti within myself. > > > > Violet, you really missed the collective, didn't you? There is no > doubt about that. It will be interesting to know the growth attained > while in exile, compared to the stagnant collectives. You may > experience some awkward moments that were removed while free, small > details that nourished you to your present state. > > > > i just do not want to be put into an `organizational box', that's > > all. i want the freedom to be myself, my own Spirit, and not be > > ruled, regulated, or `boxed in'. > > > > That will be quite difficult Violet, unless you are determined not > to regress backwards. It is not easy to stand out because few will > understand your spiritual maturity and balance while living in exile > in the wilderness here. So be upfront and transparent. Voice your > protest if they try to mould you to their " 108 rules and treatments > to be an obedient catch-free SY " . > > > > i also want to go because i love to go and i have much joy in > > going, but i never want to feel obligated to go, which takes away > > the joy. > > > > The collective should be thankful that you are returning. Endangered > species should nurture their wounded and dying with all the love and > care. > > > > i don't necessarily want to get involved in all collective > > activities such as catering and money raising for example, because > > i live far away, and i feel my work is on these forums and that is > > how i do the work in my own life for Shri Mataji. > > > > You are logically correct, femininely intuitive and spiritually > matured Violet to feel that way. i assure that your Christian > theological background infused into your work on the Internet will > pay off many times over. i had you in mind too when the decision to > change the web format to Textpattern was taken. The best and most > vital work for Shri Mataji is yet to come. You will probably spend > your entire life to usher Her Divine Message onto human > consciousness. Always channel your energies to what you love most. > Work in projects that will nourish, sustain and deepen your faith. > Nothing beats working for the Adi Shakti within. (Your collective is > still involved with Her external aspects.) > > > > i also would like the collective to grow spiritually in becoming > > more and more in such a way that new people will be very happy, > > welcome, accepted, nurtured, loved. This state can only be there > > if yogis who are already there are accepting each other regardless > > of external differences or differences of individual > > opinions/experiences. After all, it is the Divine Element Within > > which is the Absolute Truth that connects and binds us as One > > Collective Being, not the differences in opinion. > > > > As i mentioned earlier, you are going to experience some awkward > moments. Few SYs are at your level and we are not talking about > those holding Ph.Ds in chakralogy and micromatka bioengineering. So > it will better you speak up if they insist you to return to the > weekly cleansing (in order to deprogram your mind and sanitize your > body of exile catches. i think you will find that under section #65 > of " 108 rules and treatments to be a obedient catch-free SY " .) > > > As long as a person behaves dharmically, i see no need for rules, > > regulations, and 'boxings-in' to be the order of the day, whereby > > all yogis have to have the same opinions on everything in order to > > be accepted. > > > > Do not allow management robots to make you drones of those > representing the Will of Shri Mataji. Never empower those who want > to take away your individuality. Always know that you can protest > here and we will make sure domineering characters like JN, AW or > their lackeys are diced up into skewerable souvlaki sizes. i really > dislike those who want to control SYs by verbal bullying and will > bark incessantly at them. But those who pick the `weaker' sisterly > sex will definitely be bitten ............... and relentlessly > barked at in public to make sure that insults aggravates their > injury too. That is the only way to stop such dry and domineering > characters from bothering you. Through experience I have learnt that > such bullies cannot be reasoned with. i hope they read this " DO NOT > DISTURB " sign. > > > > Provided a person behaves dharmically, i also do not see any > > reason why one yogi should tell another yogi what to do, what is > > right and what is wrong, because no yogis is 100% right and no > > yogi is 100% wrong either; only the Absolute Truth is 100% right, > > so i feel we need to be flexible and appreciate and respect each > > other's differences. After all, that is what makes ourselves > > interesting to each other. If we were not all 'different drops of > > the Divine' and all the same, what a boring life this would be. It > > is the differences in each of us, that allow us all to help each > > other with our different strengths in different areas of our > > spiritual lives. i definitely do not claim to be a perfect person, > > that is for sure! i think as long as i am in this body, i will > > never be a perfect person. > > > > When a species is on the endangered list utmost care must be taken > to ensure they are protected and nourished to sustain their kind > through a crisis. i doubt if management SYs have learnt this lesson. > That is why a " DO NOT DISTURB " is necessary. > > > > So everyone, is different. We all have these different > > permutations and combinations. We all are working at evolving > > spiritually. What works for one person, may not work for the next. > > That is why each person has to become their own guru in connection > > with the Mother within who is our real Guru, and will teach us > > from within, when we ask Her. > > > > You are the exception rather than the norm Violet. Marking of > attendance at the weekly cleansing will remind you of the chasm > between being your own guru and following the collective herd. Most > will be unable to comprehend your belief or will nod mechanically in > agreement in order not to offend you. Their attention and projection > of senses has always been on the external, physical Shri Mataji. > That is why management SYs was up in arms at my mention that it is > possible to meditate on the Divine Mother sans image. You just don't > make such a heretical statement ……………………. to the ignorant. > > > > Jagbir, i want to ask you... is what i expect from my local > > collective too much to ask for, or am i right in asking/expecting > > just to be left to follow my own individual spiritual path within > > as a Sahaja Yogi and as a guru of myself and at the same time, > > desiring to have fellowship with other Sahaja Yogis who will > > accept me on that basis and not try to tell me what to do or how > > to think? > > > > Violet, you are absolutely right in requesting your desire to be > your own guru be unconditionally accepted by the rank and file. i > can assure you that they will one day move in your direction and > take that path. It is just a matter of time before the Mahasamadhi > of Shri Mataji will leave them initially bewildered and clueless. > Then they will have to look for Her within themselves, in their own > Sahasraras. They thus should accept you on that basis and not try to > tell you what to do or how to think. In fact the opposite is > presently required, or will have to be sought urgently after She > leaves us. So please do not come down from the mountain to admire > the view from the plateau they are collectively standing. How can > they see what you have experienced from a higher consciousness and > elevated awareness.? > > > > Of course, i am happy to make contributions to the local > > collective, and have agreed to write and help out with Public > > Program Pamphlets and similar things, but publishing and writing > > is what i like to do, so i am definitely pleased to help out in > > that way and it also makes me feel that i am valued for what i can > > contribute. > > > > Do not be taken in by their " write and help out with Public Program > Pamphlets " . Some of our 'leaders' are like politicians skilled in > the art of patronizing and wooing. Their sense of belonging to an > elite club does inflate their ego and believe of being chosen over > the commoners like you and me. Their brainstorming sessions has > always been with chosen grey matter members. Maybe things have begun > to change with the recent dismantling of the SY power pyramid, > belatedly initiated more by the crisis of abject failure than the > debilitating demise caused by clashing egos and power struggles. i > will let you know when this Brahminnical apex is completely crushed > and mixed to the point of being indistinguishable from the > untouchable sudra base of night-soil carriers like me. > > But everything is alright Violet and going according to Her Plan. > Always remain your own master and you will be allowed to > participate. Just stand on the Truth and do not yield even an inch > to any human or external organization. Perhaps your exile was > necessary after all. > > Jai Shri Mataji, > > > jagbir > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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