Digest Number 1046 that may cause some indigestion to Saarthak

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Dear Saarthak,

 

i wish to add that you do not have awareness of a very important

point despite all your thoughtlessness, pun intended. You advise

that we should be establishing our thoughtless awareness, not asking

questions which your enlightened self considers 'silly'.

 

i doubt very much that you have established your thoughtless state

because your lack of awareness that you were once as ignorant

betrays this fact. i am sure years ago you had little idea of almost

every topic discussed here. Shambhala could have been a former chief

of Timbuktu with 126 wives or Mysore chips made out of unripe

bananas deep fried in vegetable oil or the next generation

Intel chips with dual microprocessors. i mean who would have thought

it had something to do with Kalki, especially ignorant non-Hindus

like Violet and myself? Saarthak, we are not as enlightened as you

claim yourself to be, notwithstanding my suspicion your are not, and

thus need to ask silly questions. i am talking directly to you since

your standard of silliness can only come from someone who has a

degree in Thoughtless Awareness, and thus have good reason to

consider all of us stupid to enquire in the first place.

 

Unfortunately many of us cannot tap into it as easily as you

have 'mastered'. We all need to understand through enquiry. So that

leads me to question the reason Shri Mataji spend three decades and

tens of thousands of talks and discussions. How come She kept on

talking and explaining and enlightening week after week, year after

year, decade after decade? i wonder why She never chastised and

complained that She is always " flooded of silly questions n

verifications of facts written " . i am so glad Saarthak that She has

so much patience and love and joy to answer all our questions,

unlike you. And i have benefited immensely from all the questions

seekers raised and were answered by Her. Shri Mataji never ever

wanted us to stop asking questions, in private especially. How come

you are against questioning, in contrast to Shri Mataji's methods?

 

However, there is a particular trait at this forum. Some SYs, whom i

can say offhand are all dominant domineering males, just like to

pick on Violet. They find it easy and safe to bully her. Saarthak, i

hope you do not belong to this rare breed who picks on the weaker

sex and regards her questions as silly. For me the Kalki enquiry is

an important and timely aspect of the Divine Message. Not only did

it help verify Shri Mataji's revelation about Shri Kalki that

synthesizes the major religions of Christianity, Hinduism and Islam,

it also established the fact that Shambhala is non-existent. But

what few understand is that it destroys the claim made by a certain

deluded SY that he is Shri Kalki in flesh. Those following the forum

since its inception know what i am talking about.

 

So Saarthak looks like you are too advanced and enlightened to hang

around ignorant folks like us. We need answers to questions, not you

lecturing us to discard both. Please accept our obvious ignorance

and allow us to ask questions that will remove it. Just respond by

being thoughtless.

 

jagbir

 

 

, Balwinder Mann

<balwinderdr wrote:

>

> The same question(s) which have been labelled " silly " by our

brother Saarthak have been asked countless times and will be asked

countless times at various collectives all over the world.

>

> Most SYs on this forum know and agree that we must attain

thoughtless awareness.We are all at different phases in our journey

to attain thoughtless awareness and ultimately the destination will

be the same for all of us only that some arrive earlier than the

rest.It should not matter because like climbing a mountain whether

you are the first to reach the peak or the last, the view from the

peak is still the same.Some are more knowledgable than others about

SY and thus we learn from them if they are always using Shree

Mataji's teaching without giving a spin to what She said.

>

> There is a major difference when a question is asked to

consolidate a belief ( " constructive question " ) and that which is

asked with the intention to belittle SY. Since this is a forum for

SYs and non-SYs who want to know more, questions which helps a

seeker get on or focus upon the path of spirituality should always

be encouraged. It takes some courage to post a question - everyone

of us have experienced that at work, in class etc and the thought

that first comes to our mind(in addition to many other thoughts)

> is " Is it a dumb question?Am i asking the right question?Is it

valid? " etc etc If the questions is a pure desire to know more about

Shree Mataji or what She has said about it , it should be treated

like a question a child asks of you innocently.

>

> Some of the SYs may be living alone and i know from experience

that they exists because their country is vast and the number of SYs

so few. This SYs will need to meditate 'alone' (when actually we

know that we are never alone in the spiritual sense of universal

collective - at any one time there are always SY meditating around

the world); should have access to as many talks of Shree Mataji in

print or audiovisual form and imbibe the teachings. Both of this is

achievable and if there are still questions, the natural thing to

> do is ask another SY bro/sis - there is absolutely no difference

if it asked verbally or in print - in fact the answer to the print

question will most probably be more responsibly answered because

your answer will be subject to scrutiny by others and any errors

pointed out. We have all heard absurd things SYs have said and some

even have the courage to say that so and so said that they heard

Shree Mataji said so when She never said it. You can never run away

from what you have written but the spoken word (not recorded)

> always allows a person a loophole to escape if they are caught

out - " No, I never said that " or " No, i actually meant this but was

misintreperted " .

>

> Questions by members will enable the forum to cover areas that

have not been covered . There are a handful of contributors here

(just like in the other SY forums) and rather than them just posting

what they feel is best for the forum, it is a nice change to have

questions which we ourselves could never think about and possibly

get the correct answer which we were ignorant about.

>

> Regards

>

> Balwinder

>

> On 2/11/06, tubbsie2 <tubbsie2 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Saarthak,

> >

> > Seekers require validation of a belief system. Comparison between

> > philosophies provides that. Yes Sy's need/desire thoughtless

> > awareness, but we need a place to explore SY spirituality in

company of others, of same and different cultural backgrounds.

> >

> > This forum is exactly that, a forum where all can read and post

> > thoughts and feelings & not be lectured on the " proper " practice

of SY techniques or have other ideas forced on them.

> >

> > Lets keep this a non-threatening environment to encourage

freedom of thought, because without such freedom there can be

no " growth " .

> >

> > Peter

> >

> >

> > , Saarthak Vats

> > <saarthakvats@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Jai Shri Mataji Everyone ,

> > >

> > > This is my sincere request to all

Sahaj

> > Yogis

> > > that give focus on establishing your thoughless awareness.

> > > I have seen that the group is somehow flooded of silly

questions n

> > > verifications of facts written in this n that book etc. It

> > > is not helping us in anyway... We are being guided by our

intellect

> > and not

> > > our own Sprirt!

> > >

> > > In thoughtlessness if we ask any question to Shri Mataji,

> > > that question/douby surely gets answered...that I can say out

of my

> > personal

> > > experience.

> > > Sahaj Meditaiton starts with Thoughless Awareness, and if we

are not

> > in

> > > that, then we are still stuck in 3-dimensions of

> > > our Ego n Superego.

> > >

> > > With Love

> > > Your brother

> > > Saarthak.

> > >

> > >

> > > On 10 Feb 2006 21:52:44 -0000,

 

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> > > > There are 2 messages in this issue.

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> > > > Topics in this digest:

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> > > > 1. Re: I must ask the question - the Kalki avataar

> > > > " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org@>

> > > > 2. Re: I must ask the question - the Kalki avataar

> > > > " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org@>

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[Guest guest]

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> So Saarthak looks like you are too advanced and enlightened to hang

> around ignorant folks like us. We need answers to questions, not you

> lecturing us to discard both. Please accept our obvious ignorance

> and allow us to ask questions that will remove it. Just respond by

> being thoughtless.

>

> jagbir

>

 

" To be truly ignorant, be content with your own knowledge. " This

dictum, attributed to Chuang Tzu circa 300 BC, is more relevant than

ever today.