Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Dear Jagbir, There seem to be a number of yogis who have no desire to know more but are happy with just the meditation and clearing practices, and as long as they feel the Cool Breeze, that is all they care about. Then when we go to the maximum extent to get the spiritual knowledge out to others on these forums, these same yogis feel that it is silly to do so. These same yogis seem to stay at the level they are at, which is they are happy as long as they feel the vibrations flowing and that is it. They do not seem to have any further spiritual aspirations. Jagbir, my question is: " What gives " ? " What is the difference between them and us? " I JUST DON'T GET IT. CAN YOU HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND....PLEASE! i guess what really bothers me is that these same yogis who have no further spiritual aspirations than just meditation and clearing are also telling us that we also should have no further spiritual aspirations, and that they, indeed are by far spiritually superior for being like that. i just don't 'get' this peculiar attitude. Where does it come from? Is it something encountered in SY only, or is it something that is found in other Eastern Spiritual Philosophies as well? Violet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Dear Violet, The asnwers to your questions can be found in these recent posts: Untruth is the foundation of SY, a collective bondage to fear and self-destruction /message/5678 Presentation - World Peace. The biggest Blunder /message/5731 Do not unwittingly join forces and work against Shri Mataji. We must fulfill Her vision and victory despite the present odds. /message/5732 The main difference between them and us is that we are dedicated to the truth, transparency and urgency in propogating the Divine Message of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. We are aware that the subtle system is part of the Divine Message and not the whole. We have the freedom to point the wrongs of Sahaja Yoga openly on these forums. We are our own masters who have surrendered to the Shakti within. Truth is a virtue that is dearly appreciated by seekers. Being honest is the hallmark of any self-realized soul. Protecting it at all cost is a duty that can only be performed by those who have unswervingly and fearlessly served the Shakti in their past lives, or desire to serve Her for eternity. They are almost everything we are not. Every Incarnation had humans organizing their Message to suit their end. The same is being done to the Message of Shri Mataji. However, this time the Divine has made sure it will not happen. There are hundreds of us here gifted with the technology to make sure Her Message will reach the masses. We can all sleep daily in peace and with a clear conscience. jagbir , " Violet " <violet.tubb wrote: > > Dear Jagbir, > > There seem to be a number of yogis who have no desire to know more but are happy with just the meditation and clearing practices, and as long as they feel the Cool Breeze, that is all they care about. > > Then when we go to the maximum extent to get the spiritual knowledge out to others on these forums, these same yogis feel that it is silly to do so. > > These same yogis seem to stay at the level they are at, which is they are happy as long as they feel the vibrations flowing and that is it. They do not seem to have any further spiritual aspirations. > > Jagbir, my question is: > > " What gives " ? " What is the difference between them and us? " I JUST DON'T GET IT. CAN YOU HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND....PLEASE! > > i guess what really bothers me is that these same yogis who have no further spiritual aspirations than just meditation and clearing are also telling us that we also should have no further spiritual aspirations, and that they, indeed are by far spiritually superior for being like that. > > i just don't 'get' this peculiar attitude. Where does it come from? Is it something encountered in SY only, or is it something that is found in other Eastern Spiritual Philosophies as well? > > Violet > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: " The main difference between them and us is that we are dedicated to the truth, transparency and urgency in propogating the Divine Message of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. We are aware that the subtle system is part of the Divine Message and not the whole. We have the freedom to point the wrongs of Sahaja Yoga openly on these forums. We are our own masters who have surrendered to the Shakti within. " Dear Jagbir, Thank you for making these valid points which are like a breath of fresh air due to their simplicity. It is my belief that this would make a good Creed for all Sahaja Yogis whose job it is, after all, to help to usher in the Age of Truth: " After this will be Satya Yuga (Age of Truth). " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi) Since Sahaja Yogis are there to usher in " The Age of Truth " , what is more important than to tell the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth?! The points you make, Jagbir, are to the very heart and soul of how Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja Yogis need to be....which is to be fearless and unswerving forerunners of the Age of Truth. The only way that Truth will be served is if.... 1./ We are dedicated to the truth, transparency and urgency in propagating the Divine Message of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. 2./ We are aware that the subtle system is part of the Divine Message and not the whole. 3./ We have the freedom to point the wrongs of Sahaja Yoga openly on forums. 4./ We are our own masters who have surrendered to the Shakti within. The following, Jagbir, is a precious Truth also: " Truth is a virtue that is dearly appreciated by seekers. Being honest is the hallmark of any self-realized soul. Protecting it at all cost is a duty that can only be performed by those who have unswervingly and fearlessly served the Shakti in their past lives, or desire to serve Her for eternity. " These words, however, are unfortunately only too true, Jagbir: " They are almost everything we are not. Every Incarnation had humans organizing their Message to suit their end. The same is being done to the Message of Shri Mataji. However, this time the Divine has made sure it will not happen. There are hundreds of us here gifted with the technology to make sure Her Message will reach the masses. we can all sleep daily in peace and with a clear conscience. " Truer Words Never Spoken. Jai Shri Mataji! Violet , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > Dear Violet, > > The asnwers to your questions can be found in these recent posts: > > Untruth is the foundation of SY, a collective bondage to fear and > self-destruction > /message/5678 > > Presentation - World Peace. The biggest Blunder > /message/5731 > > Do not unwittingly join forces and work against Shri Mataji. We must > fulfill Her vision and victory despite the present odds. > /message/5732 > > > The main difference between them and us is that we are dedicated to > the truth, transparency and urgency in propogating the Divine > Message of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. We are aware that the subtle > system is part of the Divine Message and not the whole. We have the > freedom to point the wrongs of Sahaja Yoga openly on these forums. > We are our own masters who have surrendered to the Shakti within. > > Truth is a virtue that is dearly appreciated by seekers. Being > honest is the hallmark of any self-realized soul. Protecting it at > all cost is a duty that can only be performed by those who have > unswervingly and fearlessly served the Shakti in their past lives, > or desire to serve Her for eternity. > > They are almost everything we are not. Every Incarnation had humans > organizing their Message to suit their end. The same is being done > to the Message of Shri Mataji. However, this time the Divine has > made sure it will not happen. There are hundreds of us here gifted > with the technology to make sure Her Message will reach the masses. > We can all sleep daily in peace and with a clear conscience. > > jagbir > > > , " Violet " > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jagbir, > > > > There seem to be a number of yogis who have no desire to know more > but are happy with just the meditation and clearing practices, and > as long as they feel the Cool Breeze, that is all they care about. > > > > Then when we go to the maximum extent to get the spiritual > knowledge out to others on these forums, these same yogis feel that > it is silly to do so. > > > > These same yogis seem to stay at the level they are at, which is > they are happy as long as they feel the vibrations flowing and that > is it. They do not seem to have any further spiritual aspirations. > > > > Jagbir, my question is: > > > > " What gives " ? " What is the difference between them and us? " I JUST > DON'T GET IT. CAN YOU HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND....PLEASE! > > > > i guess what really bothers me is that these same yogis who have > no further spiritual aspirations than just meditation and clearing > are also telling us that we also should have no further spiritual > aspirations, and that they, indeed are by far spiritually superior > for being like that. > > > > i just don't 'get' this peculiar attitude. Where does it come > from? Is it something encountered in SY only, or is it something > that is found in other Eastern Spiritual Philosophies as well? > > > > Violet > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Dear Violet, Attached below are two excerpts from Shri Mataji's talks in which She talks about the best calibre, the best Sahaja Yogis. I hope we can understand ourselves and others better from these talks. Chandra " ...Now the best calibre of the subtlest form is that which is just seeking Sahaja Yoga, which is just seeking union with God, nothing else. That's the best calibre. That calibre works hard. It has very concentrated effort. It understands Sahaja Yog very quickly. Only thing is that because of Western habits of thinking, some of the people though they have a calibre circulate along themselves. They go on thinking about it, discussing about it, arguing about it, and then they become stationed at a point. Otherwise it goes little round and round itself. They have a calibre, they have a height, they definitely have. But because they have that weight in them, they can feel their element but still they go on as a habit, you see, because they're used to it, they go on encircling round and round and round. They have to steady themselves. But the calibre of a person who just wants to be, to become, can never be deterred by anything. Because he is subtle in a way; in his lifetime he feels the subtleties of the unconscious. He has felt his archetype images of these deities; he has known them. He has these eruptions within him, he identifies and he recognises the subtleties that he has felt and he tallies them with Sahaja Yoga, and Sahaja Yoga gets him like that. Now these subtleties which I'm describing to you come to you not through your mental effort of this lifetime but comes to you from the experiences of many lives you've got and as soon as you come near Sahaj Yog you start sucking. That is the best calibre. But because the door is opened ajar the grossest of gross also can come in but sometimes they come this way and go back the same way. Some of them they come half way and rush back. Some of them come inside and get out from the other side. But those who stay are the people who are subtler by nature. " (Subtlety, Dollis Hill, 8/6/80) " ...That's how God shines within us. Even before our realization, before our connection with God, He shines in some people even before they have been realized. You see that they're quiet people. They're not show-offs. But they're very sincere, extremely kind-hearted. Such people when they face Sahaja Yoga, immediately they get their vibrations. They're not people who are worried about money, or they're worried about the gross things of life or achievements that are so stupid. Such people may exist as very ordinary people. They need not be at the helm of affairs, mostly they're not because they're not ambitious. They do not want much success in life, they don't see any point in being very successful. They might be something very ordinary. They might be something, doing something very important also. But in their lives, those who come in contact with them remember that, yes, there was a life or there is a life, definitely there's a spark. Because such a person being so subtle does not assert. Such a person cannot be very dominating, assertive, argumentative; such a person is quieter, his attention recedes from all quarrels and all squabbles of life. But such a person has a great position in the domain of God. That you've seen how in Sahaja Yoga suddenly you find people manifesting their divinity. Maybe such a person is too naive for all practical purposes. He might have been cheated, might have been misled by some horrible people who try to exploit his seeking but still it remains. This element suddenly gets ignited in Sahaja Yoga and for such a person, this is the most important thing is to feel that being which always kept him away from all the rest of the ideologies and greetings and have always given him strength and confidence and joy. He sees that clearly in Sahaj Yog. He adheres to it and when he nourishes it, he's amazed that he has found himself. Then it becomes his life. " (The Subtlety Within, Caxton Hall, 9/6/80) , " Violet " <violet.tubb wrote: > > , " jagbir singh " > <adishakti_org@> wrote: > > " The main difference between them and us is that we are dedicated to the truth, transparency and urgency in propogating the Divine Message of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. We are aware that the subtle system is part of the Divine Message and not the whole. We have the freedom to point the wrongs of Sahaja Yoga openly on these forums. We are our own masters who have surrendered to the Shakti within. " > > Dear Jagbir, > > Thank you for making these valid points which are like a breath of fresh air due to their simplicity. It is my belief that this would make a good Creed for all Sahaja Yogis whose job it is, after all, to help to usher in the Age of Truth: > > " After this will be Satya Yuga (Age of Truth). " > (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi) > > Since Sahaja Yogis are there to usher in " The Age of Truth " , what is more important than to tell the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth?! > > The points you make, Jagbir, are to the very heart and soul of how Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja Yogis need to be....which is to be fearless and unswerving forerunners of the Age of Truth. > > The only way that Truth will be served is if.... > > 1./ We are dedicated to the truth, transparency and urgency in propagating the Divine Message of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. > > 2./ We are aware that the subtle system is part of the Divine Message and not the whole. > > 3./ We have the freedom to point the wrongs of Sahaja Yoga openly on forums. > > 4./ We are our own masters who have surrendered to the Shakti within. > > > The following, Jagbir, is a precious Truth also: > > " Truth is a virtue that is dearly appreciated by seekers. Being honest is the hallmark of any self-realized soul. Protecting it at all cost is a duty that can only be performed by those who have unswervingly and fearlessly served the Shakti in their past lives, or desire to serve Her for eternity. " > > These words, however, are unfortunately only too true, Jagbir: > > " They are almost everything we are not. Every Incarnation had humans organizing their Message to suit their end. The same is being done to the Message of Shri Mataji. However, this time the Divine has made sure it will not happen. There are hundreds of us here gifted with the technology to make sure Her Message will reach the masses. we can all sleep daily in peace and with a clear conscience. " > > Truer Words Never Spoken. > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > Violet > > , " jagbir singh " > <adishakti_org@> wrote: > > > > Dear Violet, > > > > The asnwers to your questions can be found in these recent posts: > > > > Untruth is the foundation of SY, a collective bondage to fear and > > self-destruction > > /message/5678 > > > > Presentation - World Peace. The biggest Blunder > > /message/5731 > > > > Do not unwittingly join forces and work against Shri Mataji. We > must > > fulfill Her vision and victory despite the present odds. > > /message/5732 > > > > > > The main difference between them and us is that we are dedicated > to > > the truth, transparency and urgency in propogating the Divine > > Message of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. We are aware that the subtle > > system is part of the Divine Message and not the whole. We have > the > > freedom to point the wrongs of Sahaja Yoga openly on these forums. > > We are our own masters who have surrendered to the Shakti within. > > > > Truth is a virtue that is dearly appreciated by seekers. Being > > honest is the hallmark of any self-realized soul. Protecting it at > > all cost is a duty that can only be performed by those who have > > unswervingly and fearlessly served the Shakti in their past lives, > > or desire to serve Her for eternity. > > > > They are almost everything we are not. Every Incarnation had > humans > > organizing their Message to suit their end. The same is being done > > to the Message of Shri Mataji. However, this time the Divine has > > made sure it will not happen. There are hundreds of us here gifted > > with the technology to make sure Her Message will reach the > masses. > > We can all sleep daily in peace and with a clear conscience. > > > > jagbir > > > > > > , " Violet " > > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jagbir, > > > > > > There seem to be a number of yogis who have no desire to know > more > > but are happy with just the meditation and clearing practices, and > > as long as they feel the Cool Breeze, that is all they care about. > > > > > > Then when we go to the maximum extent to get the spiritual > > knowledge out to others on these forums, these same yogis feel > that > > it is silly to do so. > > > > > > These same yogis seem to stay at the level they are at, which is > > they are happy as long as they feel the vibrations flowing and > that > > is it. They do not seem to have any further spiritual aspirations. > > > > > > Jagbir, my question is: > > > > > > " What gives " ? " What is the difference between them and us? " I > JUST > > DON'T GET IT. CAN YOU HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND....PLEASE! > > > > > > i guess what really bothers me is that these same yogis who have > > no further spiritual aspirations than just meditation and clearing > > are also telling us that we also should have no further spiritual > > aspirations, and that they, indeed are by far spiritually superior > > for being like that. > > > > > > i just don't 'get' this peculiar attitude. Where does it come > > from? Is it something encountered in SY only, or is it something > > that is found in other Eastern Spiritual Philosophies as well? > > > > > > Violet > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 " i would also like to say at this point that some Sahaja Yogis, who only have the understanding described as per the second calibre of Sahaja Yogis....sometimes describe other Sahaja Yogis who " just want to Be, to Become, and who can never be deterred by anything " ....as non-Sahaja Yogis for those VERY qualities. " Dear Chandra and All, It is this syndrome in the external organization of Sahaja Yoga, that can make the " Best Sahaja Yogi " type feel uncomfortable to actually attend a collective anymore. This is because the " Best Sahaja Yogi " type only wishes " to Be " , " to Become " and will " never be deterred by anything " . When the " Best Sahaja Yogi " type finally leaves the organization through not being understood, another unjust, unkind and cruel thing happens. He then becomes 'written off' as a " non-Sahaja Yogi " . However, 'truth be known and reality be faced', he is actually the " Best of Sahaja Yogis " who continues in that way within the Collective Conscious Organism of Sahaja Yoga. This is for all those who have 'eyes' to see and 'ears' to 'hear'. love and best wishes to all, Violet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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