Who is Shri Adishakti?

February 28, 2006

> >Hello Dear Jagbir In your new website > http://www.adi-shakti.org/ there is no mention of her holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. As you are one of the champions in declaring Shri Mataji's dictat that She is Adishakti, wouldnot it be good to mention it there. How would the layman know what you are talking about. As I have mentioned in my earlier post to Mr. Rajeev when he wanted to make a presentation of Sahaj without mentioning Sahaja yoga or Shri Mataji, Your site does the same exactly if it does not have a mention of who is adishakti. We dont need to hide

the truth . Whatever justification you may give, I would not call this site a Sahaja site if it does not recognize the Sakaar Form of Adishakti, which is Shri Mataji. False Gurus who claim themselves as Adishakti would say that this site is all about them. You understand what I mean. It would well mean the beginning of chaos and disaster. I for myself would never direct people to site which does not recognize Shri Mataji. Also I have a question. Is it true that Shri Mataji asked you to pull down the adishakti.org before the book goes for print. If so, why is the site still continuing to be online? Shri Mataji's word is her command. So if she says anything why is it not taken heed of. Are not you disobeying her? She

is Adishakti and when she personally expressed her desire are we not supposed to follow irrespective of what our mind says? I am sorry for raising the question, but it needs to be answered. Mahesh >> which i will be populating over the next few months. Thus we now> have three websites upholding the Divine Feminine of all religious> traditions and Her Divine Message to humanity. We have exactly> seven years from today to bring forth Satya Yuga into the> consciousness of humanity. We can and will succeed this time.>> Jai Shri Ganapathi,>>> jagbir

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March 1, 2006

, mahesh khatri

<maheshkhatri wrote:

>

> Hello Dear Jagbir

>

Hello too Mahesh. Actually i am constipated right now, sitting on

the one-legged throne that is a marvel of stability and relief. And

i have just realized why laptops come at a premium. Like portable

potties they can go anywhere. But despite the initial joy of toilet

lap topping for the first time i cannot assure you my mood cautions

me to a after-relief response. The fact that this constipation is

entirely my fault will not work in your favor. Unlike your post I

can hardly blame you for what ails me.

But if i finish this mail with a relieved bowel response i may be

inclined to spare some relief to you too ........ but don't count on

it because when i get constipated i really get CONSTIPATED, an

affliction that has the added misery of loneliness. And i am not

shouting because that would only aggravate my unfortunate condition.

I just want you to know for sure that i am CONSTIPATED and that you

may have to share my misery too. After all, what are SYs brothers

like you for if, and at risk of contradicting myself, the loneliness

of constricted pain in narrow channels cannot be shared. Think of

micro 1320 sandpaper, the coarsest grade to remove paint and rust.

Think coarseness, contruction-site sand, abrasion and then me. It is

not going to be a good day for both of us Mahesh.

> In your new website http://www.adi-shakti.org/ there is no mention

> of her holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. As you are one of the

> champions in declaring Shri Mataji's dictat that She is Adishakti,

> could not it be good to mention it there.

>

FYI, the new www.adi-shakti.org website is entirely about the Shakti

in the Sahasrara. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is an incarnation of Her,

not the other way round. This new site will be for Her bhaktas the

world over who understand the Shakti far better than most SYs. i am

sure you do not want to bring them down to the mundane level of our

collectives.

And if Her bhaktas are going to believe in Shri Mataji and Kundalini

awakening they have to be presented irrefutable evidence of the

Shakti within. Shri Mataji is a temporary physical incarnation of

the eternal Adi Shakti. Only the Shakti within will remain when Shri

Mataji attains Mahasamadhi. Will they believe in a Divine

Personality that has departed? Will they meditate on someone who was

virtually unknown outside SYs circles, compliments of weaseling

manegment SYs? If you cannot understand this Mahesh then please

overcome your ignorance first. How about shoebeating yourself 108

times for starters? ............. and i mean your head, not ground.

> How would the layman know what you are talking about. As I have

> mentioned in my earlier post to Mr. Rajeev when he wanted to make

> a presentation of Sahaj without mentioning Sahaja yoga or Shri

> Mataji, Your site does the same exactly if it does not have a

> mention of who is adishakti. We dont need to hide the truth .

>

The laymen you are talking about have more knowledge and faith. You

are just insulting their intelligence and devotion to the Shakti.

And your post to Mr. Rajeev was uncalled for and just reflects your

disgust for gifted musicians, women wishing control over marriage or

voicing their opinion. i kept quiet because Sohniya and Semira gave

you a piece of their mind and badly bruised your ego. But now it

looks like you are not going to stop and have left me no choice.

FYI Mahesh, you neither have the right nor intelligence to tell me

what to do. If you think the two websites have not done enough to

proclaim Shri Mataji as the Adi Shakti then please make your own.

....... and learn to play music like Mr. Rajeev too. And then let us

have the pleasure of barking at you like junkyard dogs because it is

our nature to react to anything we cannot recognize as friendly,

gifted or intelligent. And please blast your local collective of the

same accusations and charges i am guilty of.

> Whatever justification you may give, I would not call this site a

> Sahaja site if it does not recognize the Sakaar Form of Adishakti,

> which is Shri Mataji.

>

Mahesh, who needs your certification that sites are kosher? Do you

really think it is important that we defer to your judgment? Is it

possible to deflate that huge balloon of an ego that makes you

occasionally chew more than you can swallow?

> False Gurus who claim themselves as Adishakti would say that this

> site is all about them. You understand what I mean.

>

No, i don't understand what you mean. For SYs almost every guru is

false, ever ready to steal the limelight from Shri Mataji. Never in

my life I have come across more ignorance and paranoia.

And i only posted a homepage to mark February 21, 2006 i.e., seven

years to Satya Yuga. It will take me months before i can start

working on it and already you are barking at me. Mahesh, do you

really follow what is going on or is it just your nature to find

faults? Did you not read that " i will be populating over the next

few months " ? Do you understand what i am saying or are you

translating that into Hinglish? Then " i will be populating over the

next few months " would mean " i will be producing children over the

months " . If that is the case then you have my apologies and sympathy

too. i can be generous at times like this because i blame the

British for your present predicament. Needles to say, i am happy to

have learnt a dominant international laguage. Unlike you, i do

understand it quite well.

> It would well mean the beginning of chaos and disaster.

>

i would be compelled to totally agreed with you here ..............

But i am neither half as dumb nor paranoid as you are, ....... since

Secondary 3. Is this reaction the result of years of footsoaking?

> I for myself would never direct people to site which does not

> recognize Shri Mataji.

>

Please come down from that lofty ivory tower you are living in and

feel the Earth. Perhaps the ground i walk on during my daily night-

soil rounds and the stench of carrying the waste of humanity may

humble you. That experience is so powerfully intoxicating that

humans forget that it is possible to breathe through their mouths

and thus escape the smell. Instead they instinctively cover but

still breathe through their noses, a useless ritual that makes no

sense to a night-soil carrier like me. (But that is not the reason i

am against external cleansing rituals, just in case you want to

crucify me on this presumption in your next post.)

> Also I have a question. Is it true that Shri Mataji asked you to

> pull down the adishakti.org before the book goes for print. If so,

> why is the site still continuing to be online? Shri Mataji's word

> is her command. So if she says anything why is it not taken heed

> of. Are not you disobeying her? She is Adishakti and when she

> personally expressed her desire are we not supposed to follow

> irrespective of what our mind says?

>

Actually i am quite tired of regurgitating this, constipated as i

am, but will since you seem to have selective amnesia. i suspect

this to be true as i know i have explained this a number of times on

the forum. Yet you keep forgetting it Mahesh?

So here we go again.

As far as i am concerned the Shakti within overrides everything –

EVERYTHING! She was approached first to write a book before i asked

the same from Shri Mataji (and vibrations are flowing freely from my

Sahasarara as i write).

Shri Mataji approved the book a number of times but management SYs

were against it, starting with ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan. Ever

since the initial permission was approved no leader or SY ever

approached me to help, even till today. Hardly had Shri Mataji given

Her permission again in Toronto September 18, 1997 that i received a

phone call that SYs will not endorse it. They just did not agree

with Shri Mataji and made their displeasure known. (Maybe you should

confirm with Steve Gulati from Toronto if he phoned me to that

effect. Let me know if he denies.)

At the end of 1999 i uploaded the entire book and made it available

online. The management SYs went into a frenzy of fear and

apprehension. i think i better use your imaginary " beginning of

chaos and disaster " because they were as frightened then as you are

now. Yes, they believed the Truth will be the beginning of chaos and

disaster for Shri Mataji and Sahaja Yoga. Leaders tried to bring

down the site by hinting i will be expelled by Shri Mataji. i told

them i would be more than willing to leave but will not close the

web site. And none of them were able to obtain Shri Mataji's

permission to shut it down.

So what is to be done next? Take the book to Shri Mataji again to

see if they can remotely capitalize on any of Her words. And this is

their evidence:

" RE: Editing of book

Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:29:29 -0400

" Kumar, Manoj (MMRX) " <manoj_kumar

" 'Jagbir Singh' " <jagbir,

" 'Arun Goel' " <mother

CC: " Kumar, Manoj (MMRX) " <manoj_kumar

Dear Jagbir,

I presented your book to Shri Mataji when I was in India. She spent

almost half an hour to go through the book. Overall, She was very

pleased with the book and especially with your effort in compiling

the information. She Mataji felt that it needs some editing. She

asked me to convey to you " Tell Jagbir now to leave it to Her " .

She suggested that She will get it published in India in 4 volumes

because the print is very small in its existing format which will be

made bigger and will than be more readable. She suggested that since

it is going to be a priced item that you should remove it's free

availability from the web.

You can contact the leader of India Arun Goyal who was present at

the time of my discussion with Shri Mataji to get further status.

Shri Mataji will be India till the 18th and then will come to

Europe. Arun Goyal's email address in India is

mother. <mother

!jai Shri Mataji!

Your brother,

Manoj "

Ever since this email i have removed its free availability and left

the publishing entirely to Her. The www.adishakti.org website is

only based, and i must emphasize " based " , on what is originally

written. On the contrary, i have added substantial information from

further revelations of the Shakti within. Today there is an

additional 900 pages of information containing vital facts that is

not in the original book. Publishing the original works without the

further revelations will render it incomplete. Had i not continued

working and writing vital information would have been missing. (Do

not forget that i will be working 24/7 at least till early 2013 to

just give you a vague idea of how many more web pages will be added.)

So who are you Mahesh to tell me that i disobeyed Her? What has

www.adishakti.org got to do with publishing the book? What has

telling Muslims at www.al-qiyamah.org got to do with hoping they

purchase commercial copies in order to know the Truth that the

Resurrection is taking place? Did Shri Krishna or Jesus or Guru

Nanak or Prophet Muhammad sell the Truth for a profit? Did they

allow the management of the Truth by mere mortals as done by WCASY?

So are you by any chance telling me that the Truth must be sold for

a profit, not declared freely? Is this the opinion of your Toronto

collective, management SYs or WCASY? Do all of you want Shri Mataji

to only sell the Truth and forbid its free distribution? Are you

implying that Shri Mataji is disappointed that She will not profit,

now since my web sites are based on portions of the book?

But management SYs did think so and approached Shri Mataji yet

again, complaining that the websites are not closed. They thought

Shri Mataji wanted the entire website to be closed. They were

desperately trying to find a way to induce Her, and no stone was

left unturned to elicit the faintest of disapproval. Mahesh, i am

now regurgitating it yet again what leaders/management SYs heard:

SHRI MATAJI TOLD THEM I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG AND THAT THEY

SHOULD LEAVE ME ALONE.

Is that loud and clear enough for you to see and read?

And i have witnesses to the fact that Shri Mataji is pleased with

the websites. The person is close to Shri Mataji but does not want

to be quoted because that will not go down well with WCASY. That is

why the Inquisytion need fools like you to do their dirty work.

And the Shakti within is happy with the websites too, even

discussing them with my son Arwinder. Unlike Her incarnation Shri

Mataji Nirmala Devi the Shakti within knows everything that is going

on. So we have both Shaktis approving of the web sites. Are They to

defer to your better judgment Mahesh? or of management SYs? of WCASY?

> I am sorry for raising the question, but it needs to be answered.

>

> Mahesh

>

i am sorry too that i had to dice and reduce you to bite-size

souvlaki sizes. Just last year you attacked me with that

unpredictable whim of yours. Then you swallowed back your

allegations after i provided evidence you had agreed to the point

all along. This time you don't have to retract because i know you

will bark up the wrong tree again in future. So don't insult

yourself by apologizing. All you need next time is to get your amour

checked before riding that high horse. i am not that forgiving of

murmuring souls who attack my children, family or myself .........

even after having a happy ending to that immobilizing constipation.

i now have more respect of my bowels. i definitely cannot say the

same of you.

just let sleeping junkyard dogs like me lie in peace,

jagbir

March 1, 2006

Thanks for your erruption. I am sorry to say I am not used to taking all these nonsense. and specially from you. I have great regards for you nevertheless. Take care. Mahesh By the way I am leaving your group before you ban me. This group is definitely not sahaj. jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: , mahesh khatri <maheshkhatri wrote:>> Hello Dear Jagbir> Hello too Mahesh. Actually i am constipated right now, sitting on the one-legged throne that is a marvel of stability and relief. And i have just realized why laptops come at a premium. Like portable potties they can go anywhere.

But despite the initial joy of toilet lap topping for the first time i cannot assure you my mood cautions me to a after-relief response. The fact that this constipation is entirely my fault will not work in your favor. Unlike your post I can hardly blame you for what ails me. But if i finish this mail with a relieved bowel response i may be inclined to spare some relief to you too ........ but don't count on it because when i get constipated i really get CONSTIPATED, an affliction that has the added misery of loneliness. And i am not shouting because that would only aggravate my unfortunate condition. I just want you to know for sure that i am CONSTIPATED and that you may have to share my misery too. After all, what are SYs brothers like you for if, and at risk of contradicting myself, the loneliness of constricted pain in narrow channels cannot be shared. Think of micro 1320 sandpaper, the coarsest grade to remove paint

and rust. Think coarseness, contruction-site sand, abrasion and then me. It is not going to be a good day for both of us Mahesh. > In your new website http://www.adi-shakti.org/ there is no mention > of her holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. As you are one of the > champions in declaring Shri Mataji's dictat that She is Adishakti, > could not it be good to mention it there.> FYI, the new www.adi-shakti.org website is entirely about the Shakti in the Sahasrara. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is an incarnation of Her, not the other way round. This new site will be for Her bhaktas the world over who understand the Shakti far better than most SYs. i am sure you do not want to bring them down to the mundane level of our collectives.And if Her bhaktas are going to believe in Shri Mataji and Kundalini awakening they have to be presented

irrefutable evidence of the Shakti within. Shri Mataji is a temporary physical incarnation of the eternal Adi Shakti. Only the Shakti within will remain when Shri Mataji attains Mahasamadhi. Will they believe in a Divine Personality that has departed? Will they meditate on someone who was virtually unknown outside SYs circles, compliments of weaseling manegment SYs? If you cannot understand this Mahesh then please overcome your ignorance first. How about shoebeating yourself 108 times for starters? ............. and i mean your head, not ground.> How would the layman know what you are talking about. As I have > mentioned in my earlier post to Mr. Rajeev when he wanted to make > a presentation of Sahaj without mentioning Sahaja yoga or Shri > Mataji, Your site does the same exactly if it does not have a > mention of who is adishakti. We dont need to hide the truth .> The laymen you are

talking about have more knowledge and faith. You are just insulting their intelligence and devotion to the Shakti. And your post to Mr. Rajeev was uncalled for and just reflects your disgust for gifted musicians, women wishing control over marriage or voicing their opinion. i kept quiet because Sohniya and Semira gave you a piece of their mind and badly bruised your ego. But now it looks like you are not going to stop and have left me no choice.FYI Mahesh, you neither have the right nor intelligence to tell me what to do. If you think the two websites have not done enough to proclaim Shri Mataji as the Adi Shakti then please make your own. ...... and learn to play music like Mr. Rajeev too. And then let us have the pleasure of barking at you like junkyard dogs because it is our nature to react to anything we cannot recognize as friendly, gifted or intelligent. And please blast your local collective of the same

accusations and charges i am guilty of. > Whatever justification you may give, I would not call this site a > Sahaja site if it does not recognize the Sakaar Form of Adishakti, > which is Shri Mataji. > Mahesh, who needs your certification that sites are kosher? Do you really think it is important that we defer to your judgment? Is it possible to deflate that huge balloon of an ego that makes you occasionally chew more than you can swallow? > False Gurus who claim themselves as Adishakti would say that this > site is all about them. You understand what I mean.> No, i don't understand what you mean. For SYs almost every guru is false, ever ready to steal the limelight from Shri Mataji. Never in my life I have come across more ignorance and paranoia.And i only posted a homepage to mark February 21, 2006 i.e., seven years to Satya Yuga. It will take me

months before i can start working on it and already you are barking at me. Mahesh, do you really follow what is going on or is it just your nature to find faults? Did you not read that "i will be populating over the next few months"? Do you understand what i am saying or are you translating that into Hinglish? Then "i will be populating over the next few months" would mean "i will be producing children over the months". If that is the case then you have my apologies and sympathy too. i can be generous at times like this because i blame the British for your present predicament. Needles to say, i am happy to have learnt a dominant international laguage. Unlike you, i do understand it quite well. > It would well mean the beginning of chaos and disaster.> i would be compelled to totally agreed with you here ..............But i am neither half as dumb nor paranoid as you are, .......

since Secondary 3. Is this reaction the result of years of footsoaking?> I for myself would never direct people to site which does not > recognize Shri Mataji.> Please come down from that lofty ivory tower you are living in and feel the Earth. Perhaps the ground i walk on during my daily night-soil rounds and the stench of carrying the waste of humanity may humble you. That experience is so powerfully intoxicating that humans forget that it is possible to breathe through their mouths and thus escape the smell. Instead they instinctively cover but still breathe through their noses, a useless ritual that makes no sense to a night-soil carrier like me. (But that is not the reason i am against external cleansing rituals, just in case you want to crucify me on this presumption in your next post.)> Also I have a question. Is it true that Shri Mataji asked you to > pull down the

adishakti.org before the book goes for print. If so, > why is the site still continuing to be online? Shri Mataji's word > is her command. So if she says anything why is it not taken heed > of. Are not you disobeying her? She is Adishakti and when she > personally expressed her desire are we not supposed to follow > irrespective of what our mind says?> Actually i am quite tired of regurgitating this, constipated as i am, but will since you seem to have selective amnesia. i suspect this to be true as i know i have explained this a number of times on the forum. Yet you keep forgetting it Mahesh?So here we go again.As far as i am concerned the Shakti within overrides everything – EVERYTHING! She was approached first to write a book before i asked the same from Shri Mataji (and vibrations are flowing freely from my Sahasarara as i write).Shri Mataji approved the book a number of times

but management SYs were against it, starting with ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan. Ever since the initial permission was approved no leader or SY ever approached me to help, even till today. Hardly had Shri Mataji given Her permission again in Toronto September 18, 1997 that i received a phone call that SYs will not endorse it. They just did not agree with Shri Mataji and made their displeasure known. (Maybe you should confirm with Steve Gulati from Toronto if he phoned me to that effect. Let me know if he denies.)At the end of 1999 i uploaded the entire book and made it available online. The management SYs went into a frenzy of fear and apprehension. i think i better use your imaginary "beginning of chaos and disaster" because they were as frightened then as you are now. Yes, they believed the Truth will be the beginning of chaos and disaster for Shri Mataji and Sahaja Yoga. Leaders tried to bring down the site by hinting

i will be expelled by Shri Mataji. i told them i would be more than willing to leave but will not close the web site. And none of them were able to obtain Shri Mataji's permission to shut it down.So what is to be done next? Take the book to Shri Mataji again to see if they can remotely capitalize on any of Her words. And this is their evidence:"RE: Editing of bookMon, 10 Apr 2000 15:29:29 -0400"Kumar, Manoj (MMRX)" <manoj_kumar"'Jagbir Singh'" <jagbir,"'Arun Goel'" <motherCC: "Kumar, Manoj (MMRX)" <manoj_kumarDear Jagbir,I presented your book to Shri Mataji when I was in India. She spent almost half an hour to go through the book. Overall, She was very pleased with the book and especially with your effort in compiling the information. She Mataji felt that it needs some editing. She asked me

to convey to you "Tell Jagbir now to leave it to Her". She suggested that She will get it published in India in 4 volumes because the print is very small in its existing format which will be made bigger and will than be more readable. She suggested that since it is going to be a priced item that you should remove it's free availability from the web.You can contact the leader of India Arun Goyal who was present at the time of my discussion with Shri Mataji to get further status. Shri Mataji will be India till the 18th and then will come to Europe. Arun Goyal's email address in India is mother. <mother !jai Shri Mataji!Your brother, Manoj" Ever since this email i have removed its free availability and left the publishing entirely to Her. The www.adishakti.org website is only based, and i must emphasize "based", on what is

originally written. On the contrary, i have added substantial information from further revelations of the Shakti within. Today there is an additional 900 pages of information containing vital facts that is not in the original book. Publishing the original works without the further revelations will render it incomplete. Had i not continued working and writing vital information would have been missing. (Do not forget that i will be working 24/7 at least till early 2013 to just give you a vague idea of how many more web pages will be added.)So who are you Mahesh to tell me that i disobeyed Her? What has www.adishakti.org got to do with publishing the book? What has telling Muslims at www.al-qiyamah.org got to do with hoping they purchase commercial copies in order to know the Truth that the Resurrection is taking place? Did Shri Krishna or Jesus or Guru Nanak or Prophet Muhammad sell the Truth for a profit? Did they allow

the management of the Truth by mere mortals as done by WCASY?So are you by any chance telling me that the Truth must be sold for a profit, not declared freely? Is this the opinion of your Toronto collective, management SYs or WCASY? Do all of you want Shri Mataji to only sell the Truth and forbid its free distribution? Are you implying that Shri Mataji is disappointed that She will not profit, now since my web sites are based on portions of the book?But management SYs did think so and approached Shri Mataji yet again, complaining that the websites are not closed. They thought Shri Mataji wanted the entire website to be closed. They were desperately trying to find a way to induce Her, and no stone was left unturned to elicit the faintest of disapproval. Mahesh, i am now regurgitating it yet again what leaders/management SYs heard: SHRI MATAJI TOLD THEM I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG AND THAT THEY SHOULD LEAVE ME

ALONE. Is that loud and clear enough for you to see and read?And i have witnesses to the fact that Shri Mataji is pleased with the websites. The person is close to Shri Mataji but does not want to be quoted because that will not go down well with WCASY. That is why the Inquisytion need fools like you to do their dirty work.And the Shakti within is happy with the websites too, even discussing them with my son Arwinder. Unlike Her incarnation Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi the Shakti within knows everything that is going on. So we have both Shaktis approving of the web sites. Are They to defer to your better judgment Mahesh? or of management SYs? of WCASY? > I am sorry for raising the question, but it needs to be answered.> > Mahesh> i am sorry too that i had to dice and reduce you to bite-size souvlaki sizes. Just last year

you attacked me with that unpredictable whim of yours. Then you swallowed back your allegations after i provided evidence you had agreed to the point all along. This time you don't have to retract because i know you will bark up the wrong tree again in future. So don't insult yourself by apologizing. All you need next time is to get your amour checked before riding that high horse. i am not that forgiving of murmuring souls who attack my children, family or myself ......... even after having a happy ending to that immobilizing constipation. i now have more respect of my bowels. i definitely cannot say the same of you.just let sleeping junkyard dogs like me lie in peace,jagbir

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March 1, 2006

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

" And your post to Mr. Rajeev was uncalled for and just reflects your disgust for

gifted musicians, women wishing control over marriage or voicing their opinion. "

Dear Mahesh,

I do allow myself to have opinions and to voice them, a luxury that I notice you

also allow for yourself. I have noticed, though that you do not seem to like it

when women voice their opinions, and now I know I did not imagine it, because

Jagbir has brought up this very point, when he said that your posts reflect your

'disgust for women wishing to voice their opinions.'

There is one thing I need to tell you about women, Mahesh, and that is that they

need to be appreciated and to be loved, the same as men need to be appreciated

and to be loved. And I am talking about `brotherly' and `sisterly'

love........'Sahaj Love'.

As a Sahaj `sister', I would also like to make a genuine request of you. Could

you please learn how to say something without at the same time putting someone

down? It would be invaluable to you if you will do this, not to mention, that it

will also make for better brotherly and sisterly relationship all around.

By the way, could your attitude have something to do with the culture from where

you come.....because i have heard Sahaja Yoginis who have come back from trips

to India, saying how SOME of the Indian men were talked down to the women and

treated them as inferior to the men?

Love and best wishes,

Violet

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> , mahesh khatri

> <maheshkhatri@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Dear Jagbir

> >

>

> Hello too Mahesh. Actually i am constipated right now, sitting on

> the one-legged throne that is a marvel of stability and relief. And

> i have just realized why laptops come at a premium. Like portable

> potties they can go anywhere. But despite the initial joy of toilet

> lap topping for the first time i cannot assure you my mood cautions

> me to a after-relief response. The fact that this constipation is

> entirely my fault will not work in your favor. Unlike your post I

> can hardly blame you for what ails me.

>

> But if i finish this mail with a relieved bowel response i may be

> inclined to spare some relief to you too ........ but don't count on

> it because when i get constipated i really get CONSTIPATED, an

> affliction that has the added misery of loneliness. And i am not

> shouting because that would only aggravate my unfortunate condition.

> I just want you to know for sure that i am CONSTIPATED and that you

> may have to share my misery too. After all, what are SYs brothers

> like you for if, and at risk of contradicting myself, the loneliness

> of constricted pain in narrow channels cannot be shared. Think of

> micro 1320 sandpaper, the coarsest grade to remove paint and rust.

> Think coarseness, contruction-site sand, abrasion and then me. It is

> not going to be a good day for both of us Mahesh.

>

> > In your new website http://www.adi-shakti.org/ there is no mention

> > of her holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. As you are one of the

> > champions in declaring Shri Mataji's dictat that She is Adishakti,

> > could not it be good to mention it there.

> >

>

> FYI, the new www.adi-shakti.org website is entirely about the Shakti

> in the Sahasrara. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is an incarnation of Her,

> not the other way round. This new site will be for Her bhaktas the

> world over who understand the Shakti far better than most SYs. i am

> sure you do not want to bring them down to the mundane level of our

> collectives.

>

> And if Her bhaktas are going to believe in Shri Mataji and Kundalini

> awakening they have to be presented irrefutable evidence of the

> Shakti within. Shri Mataji is a temporary physical incarnation of

> the eternal Adi Shakti. Only the Shakti within will remain when Shri

> Mataji attains Mahasamadhi. Will they believe in a Divine

> Personality that has departed? Will they meditate on someone who was

> virtually unknown outside SYs circles, compliments of weaseling

> manegment SYs? If you cannot understand this Mahesh then please

> overcome your ignorance first. How about shoebeating yourself 108

> times for starters? ............. and i mean your head, not

ground.

>

> > How would the layman know what you are talking about. As I have

> > mentioned in my earlier post to Mr. Rajeev when he wanted to make

> > a presentation of Sahaj without mentioning Sahaja yoga or Shri

> > Mataji, Your site does the same exactly if it does not have a

> > mention of who is adishakti. We dont need to hide the truth .

> >

>

> The laymen you are talking about have more knowledge and faith. You

> are just insulting their intelligence and devotion to the Shakti.

>

> And your post to Mr. Rajeev was uncalled for and just reflects your

> disgust for gifted musicians, women wishing control over marriage or

> voicing their opinion. i kept quiet because Sohniya and Semira gave

> you a piece of their mind and badly bruised your ego. But now it

> looks like you are not going to stop and have left me no choice.

>

> FYI Mahesh, you neither have the right nor intelligence to tell me

> what to do. If you think the two websites have not done enough to

> proclaim Shri Mataji as the Adi Shakti then please make your own.

> ...... and learn to play music like Mr. Rajeev too. And then let us

> have the pleasure of barking at you like junkyard dogs because it is

> our nature to react to anything we cannot recognize as friendly,

> gifted or intelligent. And please blast your local collective of the

> same accusations and charges i am guilty of.

>

> > Whatever justification you may give, I would not call this site a

> > Sahaja site if it does not recognize the Sakaar Form of Adishakti,

> > which is Shri Mataji.

> >

>

> Mahesh, who needs your certification that sites are kosher? Do you

> really think it is important that we defer to your judgment? Is it

> possible to deflate that huge balloon of an ego that makes you

> occasionally chew more than you can swallow?

>

> > False Gurus who claim themselves as Adishakti would say that this

> > site is all about them. You understand what I mean.

> >

>

> No, i don't understand what you mean. For SYs almost every guru is

> false, ever ready to steal the limelight from Shri Mataji. Never in

> my life I have come across more ignorance and paranoia.

>

> And i only posted a homepage to mark February 21, 2006 i.e., seven

> years to Satya Yuga. It will take me months before i can start

> working on it and already you are barking at me. Mahesh, do you

> really follow what is going on or is it just your nature to find

> faults? Did you not read that " i will be populating over the next

> few months " ? Do you understand what i am saying or are you

> translating that into Hinglish? Then " i will be populating over the

> next few months " would mean " i will be producing children over the

> months " . If that is the case then you have my apologies and sympathy

> too. i can be generous at times like this because i blame the

> British for your present predicament. Needles to say, i am happy to

> have learnt a dominant international laguage. Unlike you, i do

> understand it quite well.

>

> > It would well mean the beginning of chaos and disaster.

> >

>

> i would be compelled to totally agreed with you here ..............

> But i am neither half as dumb nor paranoid as you are, ....... since

> Secondary 3. Is this reaction the result of years of footsoaking?

>

> > I for myself would never direct people to site which does not

> > recognize Shri Mataji.

> >

>

> Please come down from that lofty ivory tower you are living in and

> feel the Earth. Perhaps the ground i walk on during my daily night-

> soil rounds and the stench of carrying the waste of humanity may

> humble you. That experience is so powerfully intoxicating that

> humans forget that it is possible to breathe through their mouths

> and thus escape the smell. Instead they instinctively cover but

> still breathe through their noses, a useless ritual that makes no

> sense to a night-soil carrier like me. (But that is not the reason i

> am against external cleansing rituals, just in case you want to

> crucify me on this presumption in your next post.)

>

> > Also I have a question. Is it true that Shri Mataji asked you to

> > pull down the adishakti.org before the book goes for print. If so,

> > why is the site still continuing to be online? Shri Mataji's word

> > is her command. So if she says anything why is it not taken heed

> > of. Are not you disobeying her? She is Adishakti and when she

> > personally expressed her desire are we not supposed to follow

> > irrespective of what our mind says?

> >

>

> Actually i am quite tired of regurgitating this, constipated as i

> am, but will since you seem to have selective amnesia. i suspect

> this to be true as i know i have explained this a number of times on

> the forum. Yet you keep forgetting it Mahesh?

>

> So here we go again.

>

> As far as i am concerned the Shakti within overrides everything –

> EVERYTHING! She was approached first to write a book before i asked

> the same from Shri Mataji (and vibrations are flowing freely from my

> Sahasarara as i write).

>

> Shri Mataji approved the book a number of times but management SYs

> were against it, starting with ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan. Ever

> since the initial permission was approved no leader or SY ever

> approached me to help, even till today. Hardly had Shri Mataji given

> Her permission again in Toronto September 18, 1997 that i received a

> phone call that SYs will not endorse it. They just did not agree

> with Shri Mataji and made their displeasure known. (Maybe you should

> confirm with Steve Gulati from Toronto if he phoned me to that

> effect. Let me know if he denies.)

>

> At the end of 1999 i uploaded the entire book and made it available

> online. The management SYs went into a frenzy of fear and

> apprehension. i think i better use your imaginary " beginning of

> chaos and disaster " because they were as frightened then as you are

> now. Yes, they believed the Truth will be the beginning of chaos and

> disaster for Shri Mataji and Sahaja Yoga. Leaders tried to bring

> down the site by hinting i will be expelled by Shri Mataji. i told

> them i would be more than willing to leave but will not close the

> web site. And none of them were able to obtain Shri Mataji's

> permission to shut it down.

>

> So what is to be done next? Take the book to Shri Mataji again to

> see if they can remotely capitalize on any of Her words. And this is

> their evidence:

>

> " RE: Editing of book

> Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:29:29 -0400

> " Kumar, Manoj (MMRX) " <manoj_kumar

> " 'Jagbir Singh' " <jagbir,

> " 'Arun Goel' " <mother

> CC: " Kumar, Manoj (MMRX) " <manoj_kumar

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> I presented your book to Shri Mataji when I was in India. She spent

> almost half an hour to go through the book. Overall, She was very

> pleased with the book and especially with your effort in compiling

> the information. She Mataji felt that it needs some editing. She

> asked me to convey to you " Tell Jagbir now to leave it to Her " .

> She suggested that She will get it published in India in 4 volumes

> because the print is very small in its existing format which will be

> made bigger and will than be more readable. She suggested that since

> it is going to be a priced item that you should remove it's free

> availability from the web.

>

> You can contact the leader of India Arun Goyal who was present at

> the time of my discussion with Shri Mataji to get further status.

> Shri Mataji will be India till the 18th and then will come to

> Europe. Arun Goyal's email address in India is

> mother <mother

>

> !jai Shri Mataji!

>

> Your brother,

>

> Manoj "

>

> Ever since this email i have removed its free availability and left

> the publishing entirely to Her. The www.adishakti.org website is

> only based, and i must emphasize " based " , on what is originally

> written. On the contrary, i have added substantial information from

> further revelations of the Shakti within. Today there is an

> additional 900 pages of information containing vital facts that is

> not in the original book. Publishing the original works without the

> further revelations will render it incomplete. Had i not continued

> working and writing vital information would have been missing. (Do

> not forget that i will be working 24/7 at least till early 2013 to

> just give you a vague idea of how many more web pages will be added

..)

>

> So who are you Mahesh to tell me that i disobeyed Her? What has

> www.adishakti.org got to do with publishing the book? What has

> telling Muslims at www.al-qiyamah.org got to do with hoping they

> purchase commercial copies in order to know the Truth that the

> Resurrection is taking place? Did Shri Krishna or Jesus or Guru

> Nanak or Prophet Muhammad sell the Truth for a profit? Did they

> allow the management of the Truth by mere mortals as done by WCASY?

>

> So are you by any chance telling me that the Truth must be sold for

> a profit, not declared freely? Is this the opinion of your Toronto

> collective, management SYs or WCASY? Do all of you want Shri Mataji

> to only sell the Truth and forbid its free distribution? Are you

> implying that Shri Mataji is disappointed that She will not profit,

> now since my web sites are based on portions of the book?

>

> But management SYs did think so and approached Shri Mataji yet

> again, complaining that the websites are not closed. They thought

> Shri Mataji wanted the entire website to be closed. They were

> desperately trying to find a way to induce Her, and no stone was

> left unturned to elicit the faintest of disapproval. Mahesh, i am

> now regurgitating it yet again what leaders/management SYs heard:

>

> SHRI MATAJI TOLD THEM I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG AND THAT THEY

> SHOULD LEAVE ME ALONE.

>

> Is that loud and clear enough for you to see and read?

>

> And i have witnesses to the fact that Shri Mataji is pleased with

> the websites. The person is close to Shri Mataji but does not want

> to be quoted because that will not go down well with WCASY. That is

> why the Inquisytion need fools like you to do their dirty work.

>

> And the Shakti within is happy with the websites too, even

> discussing them with my son Arwinder. Unlike Her incarnation Shri

> Mataji Nirmala Devi the Shakti within knows everything that is going

> on. So we have both Shaktis approving of the web sites. Are They to

> defer to your better judgment Mahesh? or of management SYs? of

WCASY?

>

> > I am sorry for raising the question, but it needs to be

answered.

> >

> > Mahesh

> >

>

> i am sorry too that i had to dice and reduce you to bite-size

> souvlaki sizes. Just last year you attacked me with that

> unpredictable whim of yours. Then you swallowed back your

> allegations after i provided evidence you had agreed to the point

> all along. This time you don't have to retract because i know you

> will bark up the wrong tree again in future. So don't insult

> yourself by apologizing. All you need next time is to get your amour

> checked before riding that high horse. i am not that forgiving of

> murmuring souls who attack my children, family or myself .........

> even after having a happy ending to that immobilizing constipation.

> i now have more respect of my bowels. i definitely cannot say the

> same of you.

>

> just let sleeping junkyard dogs like me lie in peace,

>

> jagbir

>

March 1, 2006

Hello Mahesh,

Hope that you must have learn something now. I request

you not to involved in too much of " this and that " .

Whatever you are saying is meaningless.

You are SY... try to be a sahajyogi...This forum is

really good with SY's like Jagbirji , violetji..and

others...

This forum , will not only help the SY like you and me

to advance in sahaj ..but they will also guide us to

become a real SY (which i must say i am not till

date..I dont know about you).

Be content, and have a respect for everyone

irrespective of whether a person is SY or non-SY.

I think, from nowonwards , you will not waste your

time & effort in raising the needless point, but

rather than u will use your energy in gaining some

positive knowledge and attitude.

Take care

-Ajay.

--- Violet <violet.tubb wrote:

> ,

> " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> " And your post to Mr. Rajeev was uncalled for and

> just reflects your disgust for gifted musicians,

> women wishing control over marriage or voicing their

> opinion. "

>

> Dear Mahesh,

>

> I do allow myself to have opinions and to voice

> them, a luxury that I notice you also allow for

> yourself. I have noticed, though that you do not

> seem to like it when women voice their opinions, and

> now I know I did not imagine it, because Jagbir has

> brought up this very point, when he said that your

> posts reflect your 'disgust for women wishing to

> voice their opinions.'

>

> There is one thing I need to tell you about women,

> Mahesh, and that is that they need to be appreciated

> and to be loved, the same as men need to be

> appreciated and to be loved. And I am talking about

> `brotherly' and `sisterly' love........'Sahaj Love'.

>

> As a Sahaj `sister', I would also like to make a

> genuine request of you. Could you please learn how

> to say something without at the same time putting

> someone down? It would be invaluable to you if you

> will do this, not to mention, that it will also make

> for better brotherly and sisterly relationship all

> around.

>

> By the way, could your attitude have something to do

> with the culture from where you come.....because i

> have heard Sahaja Yoginis who have come back from

> trips to India, saying how SOME of the Indian men

> were talked down to the women and treated them as

> inferior to the men?

>

> Love and best wishes,

>

> Violet

>

> ,

> " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org wrote:

> >

> > ,

> mahesh khatri

> > <maheshkhatri@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Dear Jagbir

> > >

> >

> > Hello too Mahesh. Actually i am constipated right

> now, sitting on

> > the one-legged throne that is a marvel of

> stability and relief. And

> > i have just realized why laptops come at a

> premium. Like portable

> > potties they can go anywhere. But despite the

> initial joy of toilet

> > lap topping for the first time i cannot assure you

> my mood cautions

> > me to a after-relief response. The fact that this

> constipation is

> > entirely my fault will not work in your favor.

> Unlike your post I

> > can hardly blame you for what ails me.

> >

> > But if i finish this mail with a relieved bowel

> response i may be

> > inclined to spare some relief to you too ........

> but don't count on

> > it because when i get constipated i really get

> CONSTIPATED, an

> > affliction that has the added misery of

> loneliness. And i am not

> > shouting because that would only aggravate my

> unfortunate condition.

> > I just want you to know for sure that i am

> CONSTIPATED and that you

> > may have to share my misery too. After all, what

> are SYs brothers

> > like you for if, and at risk of contradicting

> myself, the loneliness

> > of constricted pain in narrow channels cannot be

> shared. Think of

> > micro 1320 sandpaper, the coarsest grade to remove

> paint and rust.

> > Think coarseness, contruction-site sand, abrasion

> and then me. It is

> > not going to be a good day for both of us Mahesh.

> >

> > > In your new website http://www.adi-shakti.org/

> there is no mention

> > > of her holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. As you

> are one of the

> > > champions in declaring Shri Mataji's dictat that

> She is Adishakti,

> > > could not it be good to mention it there.

> > >

> >

> > FYI, the new www.adi-shakti.org website is

> entirely about the Shakti

> > in the Sahasrara. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is an

> incarnation of Her,

> > not the other way round. This new site will be for

> Her bhaktas the

> > world over who understand the Shakti far better

> than most SYs. i am

> > sure you do not want to bring them down to the

> mundane level of our

> > collectives.

> >

> > And if Her bhaktas are going to believe in Shri

> Mataji and Kundalini

> > awakening they have to be presented irrefutable

> evidence of the

> > Shakti within. Shri Mataji is a temporary physical

> incarnation of

> > the eternal Adi Shakti. Only the Shakti within

> will remain when Shri

> > Mataji attains Mahasamadhi. Will they believe in a

> Divine

> > Personality that has departed? Will they meditate

> on someone who was

> > virtually unknown outside SYs circles, compliments

> of weaseling

> > manegment SYs? If you cannot understand this

> Mahesh then please

> > overcome your ignorance first. How about

> shoebeating yourself 108

> > times for starters? ............. and i mean

> your head, not

> ground.

> >

> > > How would the layman know what you are talking

> about. As I have

> > > mentioned in my earlier post to Mr. Rajeev when

> he wanted to make

> > > a presentation of Sahaj without mentioning

> Sahaja yoga or Shri

> > > Mataji, Your site does the same exactly if it

> does not have a

> > > mention of who is adishakti. We dont need to

> hide the truth .

> > >

> >

> > The laymen you are talking about have more

> knowledge and faith. You

> > are just insulting their intelligence and devotion

> to the Shakti.

> >

> > And your post to Mr. Rajeev was uncalled for and

> just reflects your

> > disgust for gifted musicians, women wishing

> control over marriage or

> > voicing their opinion. i kept quiet because

> Sohniya and Semira gave

> > you a piece of their mind and badly bruised your

> ego. But now it

> > looks like you are not going to stop and have left

> me no choice.

> >

> > FYI Mahesh, you neither have the right nor

> intelligence to tell me

> > what to do. If you think the two websites have not

> done enough to

> > proclaim Shri Mataji as the Adi Shakti then please

> make your own.

> > ...... and learn to play music like Mr. Rajeev

> too. And then let us

> > have the pleasure of barking at you like junkyard

> dogs because it is

> > our nature to react to anything we cannot

> recognize as friendly,

> > gifted or intelligent. And please blast your local

> collective of the

> > same accusations and charges i am guilty of.

> >

> > > Whatever justification you may give, I would not

> call this site a

> > > Sahaja site if it does not recognize the Sakaar

> Form of Adishakti,

> > > which is Shri Mataji.

> > >

> >

> > Mahesh, who needs your certification that sites

> are kosher? Do you

> > really think it is important that we defer to your

> judgment? Is it

> > possible to deflate that huge balloon of an ego

> that makes you

> > occasionally chew more than you can swallow?

> >

>

=== message truncated ===

March 1, 2006

Dear Mahesh,

Jagir does not tell 'Non-Sense'. In fact everything he tells 'Makes-Sense', and

if it does not 'Make-Sense' to you, you can always ask for clarification.

What does NOT 'Make-Sense' to me is your words and actions. You have come to

this forum with your usual assortment of 'fixed opinions' (noticingly always

against someone else, other than yourself). You have (without good reason)

declared this not to be a 'Sahaj' Forum, (reminiscent of some other folks we

know), when it clearly is, and you have insulted Jagbir, and then you dare to

say that you have REGARD for him???!!! (Maybe you do, but you sure have a funny

way of showing it!)

Then, what do i read next???!!! JAGBIR has an eruption???!!!

My dear Mahesh, i have some BAD news for you. The fact is that the person with

the 'eruption' is yourself. Everyone else here is enjoying the forum, but i

don't understand what has happened to you??? i must say that i am quite

disappointed in you, because i thought that you had more spiritual depth than i

have witnessed in these last two days.

Violet

, mahesh khatri

<maheshkhatri wrote:

>

> Thanks for your erruption. I am sorry to say I am not used to taking

all these nonsense. and specially from you. I have great regards for

you nevertheless.

>

> Take care.

>

> Mahesh

>

> By the way I am leaving your group before you ban me. This group

is definitely not sahaj.

>

> jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: