Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Dear All, As Chandra has put it, " this forum plays a very useful role for Sahajyogis who are daring enough to think for themselves " . i have had to think for myself, and to put it bluntly, i do not feel comfortable going back to pujas, when the collective won't declare the Divine Incarnation and Her Message, but instead, make Her out to be a mere `meditation teacher'. The facts are....that She IS much, much, more than just a `meditation teacher'. i cannot stress enough how important it is to promote Shri Mataji as WHO SHE REALLY IS. At the same time, i do realize that it is my job to tell Christians and others, that Shri Mataji is the Incarnation of the " Comforter " , the Holy Spirit. For me it is an honour and a privilege to be able to do so, but it is an honour and a privilege that unfortunately, is not encouraged or promoted from within the collective. As this is the case, i can no longer support those who do not declare, promote, or encourage those who do wish to declare the Divine Incarnation and Her Message (and in fact, are doing so). i have decided that i will only return to the collective, when they start being honest, truthful and transparent about Shri Mataji. Violet , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > , " my2pai " <my2pai> > wrote: > > > > This forum plays a very useful role for Sahajyogis who are daring > > enough to think for themselves. This is where politically > > incorrect views can be aired and where unpalatable opinions and > > stories can be shared. If it didn't exist, God would have to > > create one, at least to maintain the balance. > > > > Chandra > > > Not to forget that the forum and websites state the truth openly > without any hidden agenda. If only WCASY and management SYs do the > same they will not be subject to the abuse of those hurt by the > deception. Maybe our leaders should respond to this recent outburst: > > " Sahaja Yoga doesn't tell the truth about itself. It specializes > in deception. > > In 1983, I responded to a magazine ad that promised " Free > Meditation Workshop. " " Sahaja Yoga. " > > In 1983, the only yoga I knew about was Hatha yoga--I'd had an > introduction to it in my workplace, and I enjoyed it. > > In 1983, Sahaja Yoga promised to take me deeper than Hatha > yoga, make me feel better than Hatha yoga, and bring me the > ultimate wisdom and health--something Hatha yoga didn't > promise. > > In 1983, I had very little money to spend, so " Free " sounded > great. As did the rest of the hype. > > At the time, I had no idea there was anything religious involved > practicing in Sahaja Yoga. I was an atheist and had no interest > in joining up with a religious group. > > The SY brainwashing is very gradual and very subtle. It doesn't > happen overnight. It happens over weeks, months, years. " > > > From this letter i have to presume that this person, despite > spending years, never heard anything about the Last Judgment and > Ressurection. Perhaps no one really talked about it although Shri > Mataji did explain in many of Her speeches, especially during pujas. > Perhaps if it had been openly discussed this atheist would never > have joined in the first place and wasted so many years. Still i do > not believe she is telling the truth of being unaware of the Divine > Message despite years in Sahaja Yoga. It just does not make sense. > (Personally i think atheists should be specifically told right away > as the Last Judgment is anathema to their lifestyle and belief, and > will make them leave right away.) > > Others have joined Sahaja Yoga for different reasons e.g., health, > stress relief, cure some disease, learn about meditation etc., > thinking Sahaja Yoga had nothing or little to do with religion. We > have no idea how many left in anger and disgust without even finding > out the truth about the Divine Message. > > Yet WCASY in particular and SYs in general do not feel ashamed or > offended or insulted enough to change their official homepage lies. > We know 100% that Sahaja Yoga is about the Adi Shakti delivering the > Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Al-Qiyamah (Resurrection). > The teachings of the prophets and holy scriptures form the very > foundation of Sahaja Yoga. Shri Mataji has referred to the Bible, > Qur'an, Vedas and Granth Sahib to back Her teachings of the Last > Judgment and Resurrection. How more religious can Sahaja Yoga get? > > Despite being insulted in the past by those who felt cheated and > hurt by dishonest advertisement nothing much has changed. The > official homepage of Sahaja Yoga as dictated by WCASY still reads: > > " Sahaja Yoga is a unique method of meditation based on an experience > called Self Realization (Kundalini awakening) that can occur within > each human being. > > Through this process an inner transformation takes place by which > one becomes moral, united, integrated and balanced. > > One can actually feel the all pervading divine power as a cool > breeze, as described in all religions and spiritual traditions of > the world. > > This is the actualization of such transformation, which is taking > place now, worldwide, and has been proved and experienced by > hundreds of thousands in over 90 countries. > > It is entirely free of charge, as one cannot pay for the experience > of Divine Love. " > > http://www.sahajayoga.org/ > > > What will it take for so-called self-realized souls to be honest and > stand on the truth that is supposed to be openly announced for the > benefit of all humanity? To clarify this point i would like to again > present a scathing letter addressed years ago to all SYs: > > " It is astonishing that the sahaja yogis, who believe Shri Mataji to > be the savior of humanity prophecied by many religious scriptures, > have not the conviction to promote her to the world openly, honestly > and unashamedly as that. Promotion of the savior will draw more > serious attention from many more people than do the current vague > claims about stress relief and peace of mind. This lack of > conviction speaks volumes and is the same reason they fail to > respond to those who challenge SY. You simply can't be one thing and > then attempt to portray yourself as another - no matter how clever > you are, it shows and people see it very clearly. This is called > hypocrisy. It indicates the vast majority of sahaja yogis are in a > state of denial. > > On the premise that Shri Mataji is indeed the Adi Shakti, on what > basis do the sahaja yogis take it upon themselves to discriminate as > to whom is delivered the message of her present incarnation and by > what convoluted process that message is selectively delivered? To > take upon themselves to make such discriminations is an expression > of an elitist, missionary culture motivated by power and authority > over others. The message must be very plain and simple if every > person on the planet is to be afforded the opportunity to draw their > own conclusions about the goddess incarnate. Why do the sahaja yogis > make something so simple so complicated?. Why are they doing so poor > a job in telling the world of Shri Mataji, when as the goddess she > will surely stand and be recognised as the reality they claim she is? > > My parting word is that like it or not, Shri Mataji and her sahaja > yogis must face the issues presented by those who challenge them. > Intelligent response is required and what remains to be seen is > whether they are capable of this. The longer they avoid it, the more > SY will be clearly identified to be lacking in credibility and its > members in integrity. The more they will appear to be a cultish > throw-back to the dark ages. I recommend the sahaja yogis today > change their whole approach and start promoting SY as what it is - a > religion focused around a personality who has claimed, and is > understood by them, to be the Adi Shakti, divine mother of the > universe. This is, after all, the year of exposure for SY. > May truth prevail. > > Alex " > > > i believe Alex's letter did nothing to change official policy or > prick the conscience of the rest. Probably he was labelled > " difficult " , " unbalaned " , " egoistic " , " against Her teachings " , " full > of hot vibrations " , " uncollective " , " going out of Sahaja Yoga " , " non- > SY " or any of the labels management SYs pin on those who dare > question or challenge their authority/integrity/intelligence. > > Yes Chandra, this forum plays a very useful role for Sahajyogis who > are daring enough to think for themselves. We believe Shri Mataji > told everyone to be their own masters, making clear leaders are > just like postmasters delivering Her messages. Under no circumstance > whatsoever were they to ever take over the Post Office or, horror of > horrors, proclaim themselves " The Post Office " . Yet it has happened > right under our noses. If the few of us do not now maintain these > unpleasant checks and unsavoury balances who else will deliver Her > truth in future? > > Jai Shri Mataji, > > > jagbir > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 , " Violet " <violet.tubb wrote: > > Dear All, > > As Chandra has put it, " this forum plays a very useful role for > Sahajyogis who are daring enough to think for themselves " . > > i have had to think for myself, and to put it bluntly, i do not > feel comfortable going back to pujas, when the collective won't > declare the Divine Incarnation and Her Message, but instead, make > Her out to be a mere `meditation teacher'. The facts are....that > She IS much, much, more than just a `meditation teacher'. i cannot > stress enough how important it is to promote Shri Mataji as WHO > SHE REALLY IS. > > At the same time, i do realize that it is my job to tell > Christians and others, that Shri Mataji is the Incarnation of > the " Comforter " , the Holy Spirit. For me it is an honour and a > privilege to be able to do so, but it is an honour and a privilege > that unfortunately, is not encouraged or promoted from within the > collective. > > As this is the case, i can no longer support those who do not > declare, promote, or encourage those who do wish to declare the > Divine Incarnation and Her Message (and in fact, are doing so). i > have decided that i will only return to the collective, when they > start being honest, truthful and transparent about Shri Mataji. > > Violet > > i just saw a beautiful movie " Water " . " WATER is the final film in Mehta's trilogy on the elements, following FIRE (1996) and EARTH (1998), which both premiered at the Festival. In pre-independent India, set against the backdrop of Mahatma Gandhi's rise to power, eight-year old child-bride Chuyia hears of her husband's death. Her father, following custom, exiles her to a widow's ashram where she is meant to live out her days. Chuyia's feisty presence starts to affect the lives of the other residents, in particular 20-year-old Kalyani (Lisa Ray of BOLLYWOOD/HOLLYWOOD), 35-year-old Shakuntala (Seema Biswas of BANDIT QUEEN) and an 80-year- old whose days are waning. Encouraged by Chuyia, Kalyani (who serves as the ashram's breadwinner) breaks tradition and falls for young upper-class Gandhian idealist Narayan (Bollywood star John Abraham), forcing the widows to question their future and faith. Even Chuyia is caught in the wind of change. " " Ms. Mehta brings us into the world of those girls and women unfortunate enough to have become widows before India´s independence. Our eyes and ears are those of Chuihya (Sarala), a seven-year-old widow sent to live in an ashram for widows. She encounters the vile head of the widows, Madhumati (Manorma), who exploits the residents. Shakuntala (Seema Biswas) is the only force that occasionally opposes Madhumati´s tyranny. Kalyani (Lisa Ray) is the beautiful young widow who befriends Chuhiya--she is also pimped by Madhumati and the eunuch Gulabi (Raghuveer Yadav). Ironically, she sent to work by crossing the Ganges. Narayan (John Abraham) is a follower of Gandhi who falls in love with Kalyani, regardless of her status as a widow. Throughout Water, Mehta exposes the cruelties of Hinduism against widows. Chuhiya, in her ignorance, asks all the right questions like " Hum apne ghar kab jaayenge? " or " Aadmi vidhwaah kahan jaate hain? " It is not that Mehta is rejecting Hinduism as a respectable religion. She is merely raising the right questions--she is striving to empower those with the means to help those widows who, till this day, suffer in the same conditions described in the film. No religion is perfect. Each one has a dark past. Hinduism is no different. Whether these injustices are innate to the religion or a by-product of chauvinistic interpretation, one thing is clear: unleashing and relinquishing one of the skeletons in Hinduism´s closet will only enhance the quality of the religion. " We are very good, as different nations and different cultures, to have a collective amnesia about our own [problems]…[Water] is about three women trying to break that cycle and trying to find dignity, and trying to get rid of the yoke of oppression, and if it inspires people to do something in their own culture, that´s what´s important. " (Deepa Mehta, as told to the CBC). " Yes, she is merely raising the right questions--she is striving to empower other SYs to find dignity, and trying to get rid of the yoke of oppression and untruth, and if it inspires people to do something in their own collectives, that´s what´s important. Surely Violet will not be welcome to the same collective where she revealed the skeletons that were hidden in their closet. Those management SYs will ensure that, unless Violet voluntarily accepts to be induced back into the collective amnesia and forget the Divine Message. Only those with a strong faith and clear conscience will remain in exile. It is easy to make the same choice as Violet and mine too if you know that the Shakti is within. This is a trend that will only grow. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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