When did Sri Mataji say 'I am God'?

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Hi JagbirThis makes sense to me to...I have heard many yogis say Sri Mataji is God and must admit the first thing I felt is that something doesn't seem right with them! Isn't God all knowing as our creator...anything we can possibly do God is always steps ahead as our creator...right? Well, Sri Mataji herself joked once that she wouldn't know how to open a milk carton! My point being she doesn't know everything but she knows about kundalini, that's her area  hence just being the adi-shakti! I suggest that people going around saying she is God check themselves that they haven't become brainwashed - mind you, I am no expert in all of this by my own admission.AdamOn 12 Mar 2006, at 19:02, wrote:Dear All, i would like to make an announcement that finally i have got the answer as to why rank and file SYs cannot tell the truth about Shri Mataji. It is because "if they declare that She is God to the world then all these people will come for healing. ... because She is  incapacitated, the SY's do not feel they can proclaim Her to the  outside world as God, until She has Her Mahasammadhi." Since this  comes from a reliable and highly educated source i know it reflects  the collective mindset. It took me some time to absorb the immensity of this collective lie. My heart became momentarily weakened and fearful too. During meditation i was disturbed by the sheer hypocrisy and dishonesty of this collective belief. First of all, management SYs never proclaimed Shri Mataji to be an avatar when She was in the pink of health. Why didn't they declare that since 25 years ago? i am sure She would have healed far more people that Amma will ever hug in her lifetime, if that is what Shri Mataji came on Earth for. That highly educated and professional SYs can believe in this lie is a sign of how low they have fallen. But did Shri Mataji say so or are rank and file SYs putting these words into Her mouth, incapacitated as She is to respond to such lies conjured more than three decades too late. Secondly, why now only do they think people will come to get healed? This is mere speculation to mask their own guilt because they DO NOT HAVE the confidence and knowledge to declare. These hypocrites are pretending that only sick people will join Sahaja Yoga and overwhelm Shri Mataji. What about telling them to go to Vashi and extending it into a multi-million healing centre with all the fees collected? And if healing is such a great problem why not tell them that meditation and Mother Kundalini will heal them? It is just that simple a solution to a speculative, self-induced delusion of sick hordes descending upon and overwhelming the cities She resides in, leave alone Shri Mataji's residence. (i know the sheer logistcis of accommodation and secutiy is indeed cause for great concern. My turban off to the wise chosen ones who forstalled this calamity.) But did Shri Mataji say that Sahaja Yoga is for healing? Did She tell us to DECLARE TO ALL THE NATIONS that we can cure their health problems, or that SYs must explain Her Divine Message? Or are rank and file SYs putting these words into Her mouth, incapacitated as She is to respond to lies that She would be personally meet and heal people. (If this is not the case then hordes of sick people will not descend on Her and the collective lie will make no sense.) And why do SYs keep claiming She is God when Shri Mataji has ALWAYS claimed She is the Adi Shakti? It is so much easier to announce She is the Adi Shakti instead of God Almighty. And Shri Mataji has always claimed She is the Divine Feminine. That is why the following websites are being set up: http://www.adishakti.org/ (Divine Message of Divine Feminine) http://www.al-qiyamah.org/ (Divine Message of Divine Feminine ) http://www.adi-shakti.org/ (Divine Feminine of Hinduism) http://www.tao-mother.org/ (Divine Feminine of Taoism) http://www.aykaa-mayee.org/ (Divine Feminine of Sikhsim) http://www.ruh-allah.org/ (Divine Feminine of Islam) http://www.holyspirit-mother.org/ (Divine Feminine of Christianity) i will see how WCASY will announce Allah (SWT) was on Earth after Shri Mataji leaves. The Muslims will instantly issue a fatwa on such blasphemy and demand the beheading of all council members supporting that declaration. That is why i have always insisted that we declare Shri Mataji as His Ruh (Spirit/Shakti). These SYs have just brainwashed themselves over the years and cannot see clearly any more. They have collectively lost the way and are roaming around clueless, rudderless and without any direction whatsoever. The excuses they have given are for their own consumption to exonerate themselves of any guilt. i did not know they have reached this low. Announcing after She leaves is the sign of WCASY playing for time. They will not do so even after She leaves. It is simple as that. What are they going to announce on their websites? - "God Almighty has departed. Come get your free self-realization." The rank and file SYs have always given the excuse that people flock to recognize an incarnation after death. They say the same will happen to Shri Mataji and are desperately hoping will come true. If that is the case then we are making sure they have the knowledge and evidence that Shri Mataji is the Adi Shakti. We have seven websites and 2,200 pages to prove so. WCASY has none and will never have any evidence to back them as they have repeatedly rejected what Shri Mataji has time and again approved before leaders and SYs alike. You always need two lies to back the first. i have heard enough over the years to recommend "Animal Council Farm" to all SYs who have been led to believe that "if they declare that She is God to the world then all these people will come for healing". http://www.adishakti.org/forum/animal_farm-ike_rewriting_by_WCASY_of_ tenets_on_which_SY_was_originally_founded_11-10-2005.htm i thus have updated the Animal Council Farm rules with the latest addition: 1. Four legs good, two legs better. 2. No animal shall wear clothes. 3. No animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets. 4. No animal shall drink alcohol to excess. 5. No animal shall kill any other animal. 6. All animals are equal but chosen ones are more equal than others. 7. All animals who question the council decisions will be exiled. 8. All animals who tell the plain Truth will be excommunicated. 9. All animals who claim to be their own masters must undergo deprogramming treatments and become pets of council masters. 10. All animals caught secretly supporting that traitor Snowball will be removed from the Animal Farm mailing list. 11. All animals are forbidden to declare Her to the world because too many humans will come for healing. So that is the latest excuse given by the best SY minds that  "if  they declare that She is God to the world then all these people will  come for healing. ... because She is incapacitated, the SY's do not  feel they can proclaim Her to the outside world as God, until She  has Her Mahasammadhi."  i will paste Violet's own chilling quote, and that of Jesus too, in  order to bring home the message and identity of the forces behind  this satanic silence. (John Noyce, report this to Alan Wherry who  has appointed you be a watchdog here.) "All these important factors are NOT EVEN NOW being taught or  promoted by the 'organizers' of Sahaja Yoga. All these important  factors are EVEN NOW being completely disregarded. THIS IS THE  DANGER. THIS IS THE ANTI-GOD FORCE that is worse than any other  false guru, because it is right within the Organization of the TRUE  GURU HERSELF!" Jesus speaks quite clearly and in detail on this subject below. "While Jesus was speaking to me, a group of people, led by several priests, ran up to us. They were carrying large stones and shouting angrily. I thought that they were going to throw the stones at us and kill us, but Jesus said to me, John, don't fear death, for death is an illusion. I have told you many times that those who come against us are blind, with no guide to direct them. If you want to see what they see, place your hands over your eyes.' When I placed my hands over my eyes, I could see nothing. `That is what they see of Reality,' explained Jesus. `Now place your hands over your eyes again.' This time I saw a bright Light, brighter than the light of the sun, which descended until it enveloped us. `This is the Reality which they cannot see,' explained the Redeemer. "Then he said to me, `Cover your ears, and you will hear what the priests and the people are saying.' When I covered my ears, I could hear the priests and the experts in the Mosaic Law murmuring to one another, but I could not make out their words because of the noise of the crowd. When I told this to the Redeemer, he instructed me to cover my ears again. This time I could hear the priests and the experts in the Law. To my surprise, they were commending Jesus' teachings, although they were doing so grudgingly. `His teachings must originate in darkness,' one of them said, `for we cannot fault anything he says, but if he continues saying it, it will mean the end of our existence as a nation.' I don't think he realized how true this was, for the Spirit of Truth was speaking through that man, prophesying the destruction of their nation because they rejected that Truth which could have preserved them. "I perceived that many of the people were favorably impressed that their teachers could find no real flaw in Jesus' teachings. When I told the Redeemer this, he replied, `Many of them will follow us for awhile, but then they will turn away, returning to the father of lies who is the source of their beliefs and of their fears. They will follow us until they glimpse the Reality I have come to reveal, but they will be so frightened by the vision of it that they will race back to the darkness from which they have come. After I have left you, you will see this happen. They will accept me as a dead man, because then they do not have to deal with my Reality, just as their predecessors have honored the dead prophets while rejecting the living ones. I am the Living One who has descended from the Living Parents. Although they will think

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, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

> >

> > And why do SYs keep claiming She is God when Shri Mataji has

> > ALWAYS claimed She is the Adi Shakti? It is so much easier to

> > announce She is the Adi Shakti instead of God Almighty. And Shri

> > Mataji has always claimed She is the Divine Feminine. That is

> > why the following websites are being set up:

> >

> > http://www.adishakti.org/ (Divine Message of Divine Feminine)

> > http://www.al-qiyamah.org/ (Divine Message of Divine Feminine )

> > http://www.adi-shakti.org/ (Divine Feminine of Hinduism)

> > http://www.tao-mother.org/ (Divine Feminine of Taoism)

> > http://www.aykaa-mayee.org/ (Divine Feminine of Sikhsim)

> > http://www.ruh-allah.org/ (Divine Feminine of Islam)

> > http://www.holyspirit-mother.org/ (Divine Feminine of

> > Christianity)

> >

> > i will see how WCASY will announce Allah (SWT) was on Earth after

> > Shri Mataji leaves. The Muslims will instantly issue a fatwa on

> > such blasphemy and demand the beheading of all council members

> > supporting that declaration. That is why i have always insisted

> > that we declare Shri Mataji as His Ruh (Spirit/Shakti).

> >

> >

, Adam Simpson

<lunduner1 wrote:

>

> Hi Jagbir

>

> This makes sense to me to...I have heard many yogis say Sri Mataji

> is God and must admit the first thing I felt is that something

> doesn't seem right with them! Isn't God all knowing as our

> creator...anything we can possibly do God is always steps ahead

> as our creator...right? Well, Sri Mataji herself joked once that

> she wouldn't know how to open a milk carton! My point being she

> doesn't know everything but she knows about kundalini, that's her

> area hence just being the adi-shakti! I suggest that people going

> around saying she is God check themselves that they haven't become

> brainwashed - mind you, I am no expert in all of this by my own

> admission.

>

> Adam

 

 

Dear Adam,

 

The main reason SYs are at times puzzled and confused by the human

nature of the Adi Shakti is due to their external projection of

senses on the physical Shri Mataji. Thus they have hardly understood

Her inner nature.

 

But when Shri Mataji claims She knows everything it is indeed true.

However, first you have to thoroughly understand that Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi is the INCARNATION of the Shakti/Spirit/Ruh within all

humans. This is difficult to believe but true, and conforms to all

the Holy Scriptures.

 

The Shakti within is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.

 

Below are my original notes made about a decade ago that will help

you understand the difference between the temporary, external and

physical Shri Mataji and the eternal, internal and spirittual Shri

Mataji. It is aptly titled " The Case of the Double Mothers " .

 

After years of observations and analysis of answers obtained from

thousands of audiences with Her in the Sahasrara i have compiled

many similar topics that provide irrefutable evidence that the

Shakti within is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi is shakshat the incarnation of that Shakti. They are

One and the Same. Shakti and Brahman (God Almighty) are also One and

the Same. Brahman is Shakti, like the sun and its light. Shakti is

Brahman, like the light from the sun. All universes, incarnations

and humans spring forth from the Shakti. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is

the first time ever the Shakti, not God Almighty but His Power

(Shakti), incarnated Herself. This is a really important point that

need to be understood. She is the Divine Feminine.

 

Shakti is the creative aspect of God Almighty that sustains and

nourishes all. She is the Power of God Almighty. Thus, ultimately,

She is God Almighty too. But Shri Mataji is the incarnation of the

Shakti within who is the Power of God Almighty. This distinction

must be defended because God Almighty is beyond anything known to

humans, and yet more.

 

regards,

 

 

jagbir

 

 

The Case Of The Double Mothers

 

Months after Self-Realization it began to dawn that there might be a

difference between the Spirit of the Lord on Earth and the Spirit of

the Lord in the Templum Spiritus Sanctus. Although the physical Shri

Mataji Nirmala Devi and the spiritual Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi were

One and the same, the father felt that the Shri Adhiparasakthi Shri

Nirmala Devi in the Sahasrara was the Divine World of Reality

(Lahut). There were a number of reasons and incidents, but two stand

out:

 

It was felt that the Great Adi Shakti in the Kingdom of God knew

everything, instantly, whereas the Great Adi Shakti on Earth had to

meet Her Spiritual Self in the Sahasrara to check facts out. This

was based on the speculation that physically Kash did not know

anything, and was totally devoid of any spiritual powers. However,

the moment he transformed into his spiritual self in the Sahasrara

he was able to meet the Great Adi Shakti, ask questions, solve

mysteries, visit the Spirit Beings, travel back into time, explore

the Kingdom of God, and so forth. The same physical Adi Shakti on

Earth also had to consult Her own self within Her own Sahasrara if

She wanted to know anything, just like Kash.

 

The Spirit Adi Shakti in the Sahasrara had infinite awareness at all

times whereas the physical Adi Shakti did not. The Toronto public

program soundly proved this fact when Kash tried to hand over the

Rock of Shri Ganesha to Her.SD

 

However these thoughts were always banished from the puny mind,

sometimes forcibly. There was already Knowledge that the Great Mater

Divinae Gratiae (Mother of Divine Grace) knew all thoughts; only an

arrogant fool would now try to analyze the Divine. Although by this

time it was possible to be thoughtless at most times, this rational

thought that the corporeal Holy Spirit and the spiritual Holy Spirit

were two different entities persisted, and was cause for concern.

After some time the inability to shut these thoughts out began to

bother. How could this mundane mind analyze something that it had

practically no knowledge of? Why is this banal brain try to conjure

something that it could hardly understand? Why is this empty ego

deducing something beyond its comprehension? Here was a mind

suggesting to itself what it thought of the Spirit of the Living

God, despite full knowledge that She is completely aware of the most

secret thoughts of every being at all times. Soon guilt began to

creep in as he had become a sort of `murmuring soul' gossiping to

himself.

 

On September 14, 1994, Kash came back from meditation and told his

father that Shri Mataji had told him that the Shri Mataji on Earth

and the Shri Mataji in the Sahasrara were two different persons.

 

She had to manifest Her Infinite Form as an earthly creature so that

humankind could know Her with all their senses. She had to manifest

as a human being and, even then, had to be covered and camouflaged

by layers of illusions. She had to be the physical guru representing

the inner Divine Guru. She had . . . The father was suddenly

silenced into surrender — the Spirit of the Living God had again

answered a question that was not even asked! The Spirit of the

Living God in his Sahasrara knew that he had nagging doubts. The

Spirit of the Living God in Kash's Sahasrara also know that he had

nagging doubts. The Spirit of the Living God in the Pope's

Sahasrara, the Ayatollah's Sahasrara, the Dalai Lama's Sahasrara

also knew that he had nagging doubts. The Spirit of the Living God

in every Tom, Dick and Harry's Sahasrara also knew that he had

doubts. The Primordial Spirit Of The Living God know his thoughts

and that of billions of others simultaneously. The Universal Mind is

linked to all human minds — This Revealed Truth is Absolute. The

Primordial Spirit Of The Living God knows everything that is

happening right now, happened yesterday, last week, last month, last

year, last century, last millennia, last eon, and so on right back

to the Primordial Creation, and beyond.

 

The physical Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is just another human being

among the 6,000,000,000 humans, just another snowflake in the

winter; just another leaf in the forest; just another raindrop in a

monsoon; just another wave in the ocean. Then She is also the entire

winter, the entire forest; the whole monsoon, the ocean itself: " If

you understand that although My physical Being is here, I am all

over. " It is impossible to comprehend even Her mundane form as Shri

Mataji Nirmala Devi, the latter admitting that " if I want to analyze

or think about Myself, I get lost — It's beyond Me. " Put simply,

when the physical Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi meets the spiritual Shri

Nirmala Devi in Her own Sahasrara what can She deduce from it? Can a

cresting wave describe the mighty Ocean? Can a leaf describe the

forest? Can a flake reflect the entire winter? Can a raindrop

express the monsoon? O foolish mind! Meditate on this Truth and

merge with Reality!

 

She is everywhere and within everything, from the single atom to the

countless swirling universes. She is all the atoms; all the

Sahasraras; all the Universes; all the Beyond and the entire

Unknown. She is Matter, Time and Eternity. She is the Creator,

Sustainer, and Destroyer. She is also you and me. We are part and

parcel of the Holistic Whole, individual cells of the Creator.

 

Note: This in no way indicates any handicap on Shri Adhiparasakthi

Shri Nirmala Devi's part. She has to maintain Her Mahamaya form —

Her human form — in order to communicate with human beings. In short

She tries to remain as human as possible (at times even ignorant),

so much so that many cannot even see the slightest divinity in Her.

This Supreme Illusion allows humans to approach, talk, confide, and

even joke with Her. If God is made in man's image and that all

humans are Her conscious cells, then this is the greatest proof

ever.