technical questions about kundalini

March 24, 2006

Hello everybody i practising sahaja yoga for about five months now

and even went to a puja in Holland, unfortunataly whitout shri mataji

but the yogis and yoginis where very friendly, It was on that puja

that i truly started to believe that shri mataji is truly adi shakti

an divine incarnation. Also bought the book the advent there, which

is very interesting. after that puja the meditations went better.

Also what i wanted to ask is about a video of shri mataji i saw on

the puja. On that video i waw what appears to be gold light eminating

as a certain pattern from shri mataji's face, i saw that very clearly

from a spot on the highest point on the nose, you the same up-side

down triangle that you see on the nose of shri krisna on posters of

him.

And later i also saw the same gold light pattern eminating from other

yogi in the meditation hall.

I wanted to know if everybody sees this and if not perhaps if i have

a catch on the agnya chakra or a UPI or something?

The second question is regarding certain cold/cool energy feelings i

get when just lying in bed. this especially happens when i feel

connected with shri mataji's divine love.

Then what happens is that it feels like that some cold fluid is being

pumped up my nadis at the lower chakra's. it does not feel

unconfortably cold but more kundalini cool, my question is if this is

normal or if this is not good because the kundalini energy must go

only throuh the sushamna nadi.

I ask a yogi at my local group but she did not know or felt it and

she has been in it for 20 years so perhaps any of you know what if

means and if it is not harmfull.

Jai shri Mataji

March 26, 2006

, " rogerbootsma39 "

<rogerbootsma39 wrote:

>

> Hello everybody i practising sahaja yoga for about five months now

> and even went to a puja in Holland, unfortunataly whitout shri

> mataji but the yogis and yoginis where very friendly, It was on

> that puja that i truly started to believe that shri mataji is

> truly adi shakti an divine incarnation. Also bought the book the

> advent there, which is very interesting. after that puja the

> meditations went better.

>

> Also what i wanted to ask is about a video of shri mataji i saw on

> the puja. On that video i waw what appears to be gold light

> eminating as a certain pattern from shri mataji's face, i saw that

> very clearly from a spot on the highest point on the nose, you the

> same up-side down triangle that you see on the nose of shri krisna

> on posters of him. And later i also saw the same gold light

> pattern eminating from other yogi in the meditation hall. I wanted

> to know if everybody sees this and if not perhaps if i have a

> catch on the agnya chakra or a UPI or something?

>

Some people are gifted to 'see' what most of us cannot. If the

camara catches the same image as you can see i think that is indeed

a special talent you have. Enjoy it and throw all that UPI stuff

into the recyling bin, or better still into the garbage. SYs tend to

have all sorts of UPI labels. i won't be surprised if crop circles

are going to meet the same fate.

It will be a Agnya catch if you begin to bahave weirdly and begin

seeing things or into the future. As long as you are balanced and

act like an ordinary person there is nothing to worry. You notice

that in my last post the SY was given a boon by the Adi Shakti to

witness Her grandeur, just like Shri Krishna's boon to Arjuna.

/message/5987

So how can that be a Agnya catch or a UPI invasion? Maybe the

morbid fear of UPI invasion may have made them act so. These UPI

infected SYs are the worst to take advise from, or befreind. They

will infect you with their fears. Unfortunately most SY collectives

have such people. Why do you think the 3Cs (constant clearing of

chakras) is the scared cow of Sahaja Yoga?

> The second question is regarding certain cold/cool energy feelings

> i get when just lying in bed. this especially happens when i feel

> connected with shri mataji's divine love.

> Then what happens is that it feels like that some cold fluid is

> being pumped up my nadis at the lower chakra's. it does not feel

> unconfortably cold but more kundalini cool, my question is if this

> is normal or if this is not good because the kundalini energy must

> go only throuh the sushamna nadi.

> I ask a yogi at my local group but she did not know or felt it and

> she has been in it for 20 years so perhaps any of you know what if

> means and if it is not harmfull.

>

> Jai shri Mataji

>

It is normal to feel cool, especially at the mooladhar chakra. i get

this occasionally and it feels good. Some people have more intense

experiences. So there is nothing wrong with feeling the cool

kundalini. And the kundalini will always flow through through the

sushumna after self-realization. i do not understand how any SY can

say otherwise i.e., it is only going through the nadis. But they do

say all sorts of things, especially those with advanced degrees. My

question is: What will all this detailed analysis and advanced

degree in subtle systemology do to reach nirvikalpa samadhi? Many

now possess more knowledge than Shri Mataji, even the exact hour and

time frame the Doors of Hell open every Diwali. My advise: Please

leave all this shallow, unverifiable knowledge and learn to keep

Silent i.e., being thoughtlessly aware/Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Every

petty analysis of the subtle system will only make your mind echo

with ever more questions and doubts. My friend, you will always

remain at this base level even after 20 years of meditation. Most

SYs are of this caliber.

jagbir

March 27, 2006

Hello Jagbir, thanks for your reply, although some things remained

unclear, I don't really understand that anyone could know more than

shri mataji, or did you meant it like some pretend to know more? and

what did you mean with;My friend, you will always

> remain at this base level even after 20 years of meditation. Most

> SYs are of this caliber.

did you mean that it is your opinion that every sy does not really

develop over the course of time and practise, because if you meant it

like that i kind of have to disagree with you, because i certainly

think that one can advance and gain a higher level of mental and

emotional and physical balance and more control over kundalini energy

and a stronger flow. And a greater connection with the divine.

I would really be thankful if you could clarify what you said.

But of course i do believe that like you said that there are some

cranky sy out there, went into one of the two balloons without

noticing it, that is why sy have to do a lot of introspection, like

shri mataji said. And i do weigh more credibility to my own

experience than the sometimes crappy explanation from other sy's

fortunataly i don't really have met many such yogi's because i have

just begun, but whitout a thoubt i will meet them but i think i can

handle the likes of those i think.

And just for information i of course don't alone feel the cold in my

nadis around my chakras in the body but of course also above the

sahasrara, the day before yesterday i could ever feel a ant-crawling

sensation on my head and then a cold fountain of cold kundalini

energy falling around me, that was pretty cool.

But now entirely something else, i and other sy yogis and yoginis

where at this paranormal fair to promote sahaja yoga and give self-

realisations and information and stuff like that.

And of course at such a fair their comes a lot of lost poeple and

there was this young lady, al wearing black and the neccesary arsenal

of up-side down pentagrams and when she walked past our sahaja stand

and looked at it her eyes went from left to right in a very fast

movement, like rapid eye movement but she was not in trance or

sleeping. she simply could not for a moment even look at our stand

with the picture of shri mataji, and then i looked at her intensely

and she could not even look into my eyes so she turned around fast

and walked away. Now it happens to be that i for some sake i don't

yet understand had some background information on this girl, the way

i got it is on itself a long story but i must that i never talked to

this girl but got it by some coincidence of someone whom once knew

this girl. And it will that she was heavely ingaged in voodoo

practices, talking with ghost, satanism, you know the whole nine

yards. So my point of this is that upi's like gregoir describes them

are very real, I truly think that the upi's from her subconsciousness

had taken her over since they even control the eyes, and those

entities could of course not stand the divine vibrations of adi

shakti eminating from our stand. So the dangers of these upis are

very real, and i think whe sy's must also still guard ourselves

against these things by analysing ourselves and do introspection and

vibratory awareness, because these dark force can work very very

subtle so whe must be super careful and cautious and try not to

project to much of our thoughts since they might be wrong, and i do

think some yogis don't really pay attention to this and can hurt

others by their conditioned ideas but i think those one will expose

themselves by their stupidity but i also think the good sy's

tollerate those cranky sy's because they are simply sy's.

But i think in the end good will prevail.

Jai Shri Mataji

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> , " rogerbootsma39 "

> <rogerbootsma39@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello everybody i practising sahaja yoga for about five months

now

> > and even went to a puja in Holland, unfortunataly whitout shri

> > mataji but the yogis and yoginis where very friendly, It was on

> > that puja that i truly started to believe that shri mataji is

> > truly adi shakti an divine incarnation. Also bought the book the

> > advent there, which is very interesting. after that puja the

> > meditations went better.

> >

> > Also what i wanted to ask is about a video of shri mataji i saw

on

> > the puja. On that video i waw what appears to be gold light

> > eminating as a certain pattern from shri mataji's face, i saw

that

> > very clearly from a spot on the highest point on the nose, you

the

> > same up-side down triangle that you see on the nose of shri

krisna

> > on posters of him. And later i also saw the same gold light

> > pattern eminating from other yogi in the meditation hall. I

wanted

> > to know if everybody sees this and if not perhaps if i have a

> > catch on the agnya chakra or a UPI or something?

> >

>

> Some people are gifted to 'see' what most of us cannot. If the

> camara catches the same image as you can see i think that is indeed

> a special talent you have. Enjoy it and throw all that UPI stuff

> into the recyling bin, or better still into the garbage. SYs tend

to

> have all sorts of UPI labels. i won't be surprised if crop circles

> are going to meet the same fate.

>

> It will be a Agnya catch if you begin to bahave weirdly and begin

> seeing things or into the future. As long as you are balanced and

> act like an ordinary person there is nothing to worry. You notice

> that in my last post the SY was given a boon by the Adi Shakti to

> witness Her grandeur, just like Shri Krishna's boon to Arjuna.

>

> /message/5987

>

> So how can that be a Agnya catch or a UPI invasion? Maybe the

> morbid fear of UPI invasion may have made them act so. These UPI

> infected SYs are the worst to take advise from, or befreind. They

> will infect you with their fears. Unfortunately most SY collectives

> have such people. Why do you think the 3Cs (constant clearing of

> chakras) is the scared cow of Sahaja Yoga?

>

> > The second question is regarding certain cold/cool energy

feelings

> > i get when just lying in bed. this especially happens when i feel

> > connected with shri mataji's divine love.

> > Then what happens is that it feels like that some cold fluid is

> > being pumped up my nadis at the lower chakra's. it does not feel

> > unconfortably cold but more kundalini cool, my question is if

this

> > is normal or if this is not good because the kundalini energy

must

> > go only throuh the sushamna nadi.

> > I ask a yogi at my local group but she did not know or felt it

and

> > she has been in it for 20 years so perhaps any of you know what

if

> > means and if it is not harmfull.

> >

> > Jai shri Mataji

> >

>

> It is normal to feel cool, especially at the mooladhar chakra. i

get

> this occasionally and it feels good. Some people have more intense

> experiences. So there is nothing wrong with feeling the cool

> kundalini. And the kundalini will always flow through through the

> sushumna after self-realization. i do not understand how any SY can

> say otherwise i.e., it is only going through the nadis. But they do

> say all sorts of things, especially those with advanced degrees. My

> question is: What will all this detailed analysis and advanced

> degree in subtle systemology do to reach nirvikalpa samadhi? Many

> now possess more knowledge than Shri Mataji, even the exact hour

and

> time frame the Doors of Hell open every Diwali. My advise: Please

> leave all this shallow, unverifiable knowledge and learn to keep

> Silent i.e., being thoughtlessly aware/Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Every

> petty analysis of the subtle system will only make your mind echo

> with ever more questions and doubts. My friend, you will always

> remain at this base level even after 20 years of meditation. Most

> SYs are of this caliber.

>

> jagbir

>

March 28, 2006

, " rogerbootsma39 "

<rogerbootsma39 wrote:

>

> Hello Jagbir, thanks for your reply, although some things remained

> unclear, I don't really understand that anyone could know more

> than shri mataji, or did you meant it like some pretend to know

> more?

There are some SYs who have become fanatical in their treatments/

catches/bhoots/bhaddhas and what not. Thus their views and

interpretation of Sahaja Yoga has become extreme and harmful. That

they know the opening hours of the Doors of Hell on Diwali is just

some of the benefits of having a rigid cleansing routine and diet -

they are privy to this celestial secrets by reason of, perhaps,

their 10000th footsoak. Maybe they used the same number of chillies

and lemons to be eligible for the Secrets of Hell. i don't know.

Shri Mataji never taught such stuff. So how come they know?

And there are a number of really dumb things they lecture with an

air of authority. That management SYs allow such people to guide the

Yuva Shakti only makes matters worse. That is why so many UPIs and

other invisible agents attack our youth.

> and what did you mean with;My friend, you will always

> remain at this base level even after 20 years of meditation. Most

> SYs are of this caliber. did you mean that it is your opinion that

> every sy does not really develop over the course of time and

> practise, because if you meant it like that i kind of have to

> disagree with you, because i certainly think that one can advance

> and gain a higher level of mental and emotional and physical

> balance and more control over kundalini energy and a stronger

> flow. And a greater connection with the divine. I would really be

> thankful if you could clarify what you said.

>

Let me put it this way - SYs of the Woodstock era are basking in the

glory of their advancement, a handful even gained celebrity status.

Some have clocked 1500 miles walking on puja grounds, others gained

22 kilos of belly mass that is touted as blessings of Shri Ganesha,

a few have passed the 10,000 footsoaks, a number even able to chant

the entire Sahaja Yoga Mantra Book from back to front. i mean there

is no end to the self-adhesive labels pasted for the benefit of wide-

eyed newcomers who are dazzled by all spiritual medals.

But why do they still need daily cleansing, have ceaseless catches,

and still afraid of invisible entities?

Why are they still not able to use the Mother Kundalini to heal and

attain the Silence of Nirvikalpa Samadhi?

Why has years of meditation not given them the conviction and faith

to tell the Truth, or at least stand up and protest that the

organization is untruthful to humanity?

Don't you think that " a higher level of mental and emotional and

physical balance and more control over kundalini energy and a

stronger flow. And a greater connection with the divine " would make

them catch-free, Silent and truthful?

If after 20 years you are still shoe-beating, unable to attain

Silence and agree to the collective mantra that SYs should lie for

the sake of Truth then know you are still at the base level.

> But of course i do believe that like you said that there are some

> cranky sy out there, went into one of the two balloons without

> noticing it, that is why sy have to do a lot of introspection,

> like shri mataji said. And i do weigh more credibility to my own

> experience than the sometimes crappy explanation from other sy's

> fortunataly i don't really have met many such yogi's because i

> have just begun, but whitout a thoubt i will meet them but i think

> i can handle the likes of those i think.

You will advance faster and further if you remain in Silence and

listen to none by being your own master.

> And just for information i of course don't alone feel the cold in

> my nadis around my chakras in the body but of course also above

> the sahasrara, the day before yesterday i could ever feel a ant-

> crawling sensation on my head and then a cold fountain of cold

> kundalini energy falling around me, that was pretty cool.

You are having some good kundalini experiences. Learn from your own

experiences. With such a kundalini flow you will need no cleansing

rituals whatsoever.

> But now entirely something else, i and other sy yogis and yoginis

> where at this paranormal fair to promote sahaja yoga and give self-

> realisations and information and stuff like that.

> And of course at such a fair their comes a lot of lost poeple and

> there was this young lady, al wearing black and the neccesary

> arsenal of up-side down pentagrams and when she walked past our

> sahaja stand and looked at it her eyes went from left to right in

> a very fast movement, like rapid eye movement but she was not in

> trance or sleeping. she simply could not for a moment even look at

> our stand with the picture of shri mataji, and then i looked at

her intensely

> and she could not even look into my eyes so she turned around fast

> and walked away. Now it happens to be that i for some sake i don't

> yet understand had some background information on this girl, the

way i got it is on itself a long story but i must that i never

talked to this girl but got it by some coincidence of someone whom

once knew this girl. And it will that she was heavely ingaged in

voodoo practices, talking with ghost, satanism, you know the whole

nine yards. So my point of this is that upi's like gregoir describes

them are very real, I truly think that the upi's from her

subconsciousness had taken her over since they even control the

eyes, and those entities could of course not stand the divine

vibrations of adi shakti eminating from our stand. So the dangers of

these upis are very real, and i think whe sy's must also still guard

ourselves against these things by analysing ourselves and do

introspection and vibratory awareness, because these dark force can

work very very subtle so whe must be super careful and cautious and

try not to project to much of our thoughts since they might be

wrong, and i do think some yogis don't really pay attention to this

and can hurt others by their conditioned ideas but i think those one

will expose themselves by their stupidity but i also think the good

sy's tollerate those cranky sy's because they are simply sy's.

> But i think in the end good will prevail.

>

The other day my wife told me that we should be careful about eating

chicken. Apparently a co-worker had a Unique Personal Information

that affected many others, my wife included. Perhaps this UPI worker

could see the bird virus blown across the Atlantic, all the way from

Turkey, to infect healthy Canadian chickens. Maybe some Asian

migratory birdr had flown off-course and dropped some droppings on a

chicken farm, and a rooster had it for desert. i still have to

doublecheck this with the UPI worker but the damage is done - some

workers were influenced and decided to switch to beef. One even

decided to become a vegetarian.

Now what will happen if all these workers continue analyzing the

UPI? It will certainly soon mutate into a virus, at least in their

imagination initially. Over months and years they will become a

paranoid bunch of unbalanced UPI-obsessed characters that no sane

person wants to mix with. Who wants to befriend crackpots who are

constantly on guard against these invisible UPI virus?

So what is the point of doing Sahaja Yoga if UPIs can attack and

overcome you? The only solution is to quarantine yourself from UPI

infected humans. But how come SYs can only see them at these

spiritual garage sales and not elsewhere? There are hundreds of

millions of UPI-infected huamsn all over the world, especially in

western cities. Think your collective can find a way to quarantine

UPI-obsessed and fearing SYs from human civilization? i think a

brainstorming session to find an urgent solution should top the

agenda this collective week-end. Please post their enlightenment

here.

jagbir

March 28, 2006

Wow it is really idiotic that someone really counts their footsoaks.

Never heard anything that stupid, man those poeple must really be

crazy, really weird that such a thing would give one popularity.

Sometimes i do footsoaks but not to establish a record since i don't

count, that would mean focusing unnessaserely on the past.

But really you should not be mad at those sy's because they don't

know what they are doing. Whe should really focus on our own

development, i think the collective is gonna be alright, i think one

should not agitate oneself over such futile matters, i know i am not

going to, why would i, such things have no grip on you when you don't

think about it. their is simply no need to do so.

And about those upi's, of course i just don't alone see them on

spiritual garagesales, only this times it manifested it very clearly,

ofcourse millions of people are infected, and i also see it in their

eyes. You must understand that i am only five months in sahaja yoga

and many things are new and i still have to get used to the kundalini

energy whom seems to manifest more intensely over time. For me their

is a lot of adjusting and tweaking to do, me to have find my balance

in a ever changing mental and emotional and energetic states. And i

hope Shri Mataji will guide me on this journey, and i don't know

where it is going to end or where it will lead me.

I am just gonna try to not to ponder about this or that, so that the

wrongly generated thoughts and conditionings can't lead me from the

central path.

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> , " rogerbootsma39 "

> <rogerbootsma39@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Jagbir, thanks for your reply, although some things

remained

> > unclear, I don't really understand that anyone could know more

> > than shri mataji, or did you meant it like some pretend to know

> > more?

>

> There are some SYs who have become fanatical in their treatments/

> catches/bhoots/bhaddhas and what not. Thus their views and

> interpretation of Sahaja Yoga has become extreme and harmful. That

> they know the opening hours of the Doors of Hell on Diwali is just

> some of the benefits of having a rigid cleansing routine and diet -

> they are privy to this celestial secrets by reason of, perhaps,

> their 10000th footsoak. Maybe they used the same number of chillies

> and lemons to be eligible for the Secrets of Hell. i don't know.

> Shri Mataji never taught such stuff. So how come they know?

>

> And there are a number of really dumb things they lecture with an

> air of authority. That management SYs allow such people to guide

the

> Yuva Shakti only makes matters worse. That is why so many UPIs and

> other invisible agents attack our youth.

>

> > and what did you mean with;My friend, you will always

> > remain at this base level even after 20 years of meditation. Most

> > SYs are of this caliber. did you mean that it is your opinion

that

> > every sy does not really develop over the course of time and

> > practise, because if you meant it like that i kind of have to

> > disagree with you, because i certainly think that one can advance

> > and gain a higher level of mental and emotional and physical

> > balance and more control over kundalini energy and a stronger

> > flow. And a greater connection with the divine. I would really be

> > thankful if you could clarify what you said.

> >

>

> Let me put it this way - SYs of the Woodstock era are basking in

the

> glory of their advancement, a handful even gained celebrity status.

> Some have clocked 1500 miles walking on puja grounds, others gained

> 22 kilos of belly mass that is touted as blessings of Shri Ganesha,

> a few have passed the 10,000 footsoaks, a number even able to chant

> the entire Sahaja Yoga Mantra Book from back to front. i mean there

> is no end to the self-adhesive labels pasted for the benefit of

wide-

> eyed newcomers who are dazzled by all spiritual medals.

>

> But why do they still need daily cleansing, have ceaseless catches,

> and still afraid of invisible entities?

> Why are they still not able to use the Mother Kundalini to heal and

> attain the Silence of Nirvikalpa Samadhi?

> Why has years of meditation not given them the conviction and faith

> to tell the Truth, or at least stand up and protest that the

> organization is untruthful to humanity?

>

> Don't you think that " a higher level of mental and emotional and

> physical balance and more control over kundalini energy and a

> stronger flow. And a greater connection with the divine " would make

> them catch-free, Silent and truthful?

>

> If after 20 years you are still shoe-beating, unable to attain

> Silence and agree to the collective mantra that SYs should lie for

> the sake of Truth then know you are still at the base level.

>

> > But of course i do believe that like you said that there are some

> > cranky sy out there, went into one of the two balloons without

> > noticing it, that is why sy have to do a lot of introspection,

> > like shri mataji said. And i do weigh more credibility to my own

> > experience than the sometimes crappy explanation from other sy's

> > fortunataly i don't really have met many such yogi's because i

> > have just begun, but whitout a thoubt i will meet them but i

think

> > i can handle the likes of those i think.

>

> You will advance faster and further if you remain in Silence and

> listen to none by being your own master.

>

> > And just for information i of course don't alone feel the cold in

> > my nadis around my chakras in the body but of course also above

> > the sahasrara, the day before yesterday i could ever feel a ant-

> > crawling sensation on my head and then a cold fountain of cold

> > kundalini energy falling around me, that was pretty cool.

>

> You are having some good kundalini experiences. Learn from your own

> experiences. With such a kundalini flow you will need no cleansing

> rituals whatsoever.

>

> > But now entirely something else, i and other sy yogis and yoginis

> > where at this paranormal fair to promote sahaja yoga and give

self-

> > realisations and information and stuff like that.

> > And of course at such a fair their comes a lot of lost poeple and

> > there was this young lady, al wearing black and the neccesary

> > arsenal of up-side down pentagrams and when she walked past our

> > sahaja stand and looked at it her eyes went from left to right in

> > a very fast movement, like rapid eye movement but she was not in

> > trance or sleeping. she simply could not for a moment even look

at

> > our stand with the picture of shri mataji, and then i looked at

> her intensely

> > and she could not even look into my eyes so she turned around

fast

> > and walked away. Now it happens to be that i for some sake i

don't

> > yet understand had some background information on this girl, the

> way i got it is on itself a long story but i must that i never

> talked to this girl but got it by some coincidence of someone whom

> once knew this girl. And it will that she was heavely ingaged in

> voodoo practices, talking with ghost, satanism, you know the whole

> nine yards. So my point of this is that upi's like gregoir

describes

> them are very real, I truly think that the upi's from her

> subconsciousness had taken her over since they even control the

> eyes, and those entities could of course not stand the divine

> vibrations of adi shakti eminating from our stand. So the dangers

of

> these upis are very real, and i think whe sy's must also still

guard

> ourselves against these things by analysing ourselves and do

> introspection and vibratory awareness, because these dark force can

> work very very subtle so whe must be super careful and cautious and

> try not to project to much of our thoughts since they might be

> wrong, and i do think some yogis don't really pay attention to this

> and can hurt others by their conditioned ideas but i think those

one

> will expose themselves by their stupidity but i also think the good

> sy's tollerate those cranky sy's because they are simply sy's.

> > But i think in the end good will prevail.

> >

>

> The other day my wife told me that we should be careful about

eating

> chicken. Apparently a co-worker had a Unique Personal Information

> that affected many others, my wife included. Perhaps this UPI

worker

> could see the bird virus blown across the Atlantic, all the way

from

> Turkey, to infect healthy Canadian chickens. Maybe some Asian

> migratory birdr had flown off-course and dropped some droppings on

a

> chicken farm, and a rooster had it for desert. i still have to

> doublecheck this with the UPI worker but the damage is done - some

> workers were influenced and decided to switch to beef. One even

> decided to become a vegetarian.

>

> Now what will happen if all these workers continue analyzing the

> UPI? It will certainly soon mutate into a virus, at least in their

> imagination initially. Over months and years they will become a

> paranoid bunch of unbalanced UPI-obsessed characters that no sane

> person wants to mix with. Who wants to befriend crackpots who are

> constantly on guard against these invisible UPI virus?

>

> So what is the point of doing Sahaja Yoga if UPIs can attack and

> overcome you? The only solution is to quarantine yourself from UPI

> infected humans. But how come SYs can only see them at these

> spiritual garage sales and not elsewhere? There are hundreds of

> millions of UPI-infected huamsn all over the world, especially in

> western cities. Think your collective can find a way to quarantine

> UPI-obsessed and fearing SYs from human civilization? i think a

> brainstorming session to find an urgent solution should top the

> agenda this collective week-end. Please post their enlightenment

> here.

>

> jagbir

>

March 29, 2006

HI Whatever u r feeling is not strange. the only reason is that in the path of kundalini awakening these things happen...u see some things ...people even see daties, they see lights(indicating vibrations) But, as u grow in sahaj & go deeper. u will be amazed that these things ( although they may give u joy sometimes) will vanish. Some people even get some special powers. But we have to say shree mataji I want to grow in sahaj. I don't want any obstacle in my path, including powers. I have gone through the same phrase thats y i wanted to inform u. and the destination is same but the path and way of kundalini awakening is different for each and every person. when shree mataji started sahajayoga. She gave realization to 10 people. In one month she saw that all 10 are growing differently. And as per shreemataji's words all 10 of them were infected with obstacles. So the only solution mother

was able to find for this was that if all of the 10 people were together & collectively meditated they started growing . thats why mother always asks us to be collective. atleast once in a week. so there is nothing wrong or strange in what u r feeling. just dedicate urself bye jai shree mataji sambhavrogerbootsma39 <rogerbootsma39 wrote: Hello everybody i practising sahaja yoga for about five months now and even went to a puja in Holland, unfortunataly whitout shri mataji but the yogis and yoginis where very friendly, It was on that puja that i truly started to believe that shri mataji is truly adi shakti an divine incarnation. Also bought the book the advent there, which is very interesting. after that puja the meditations went

better.Also what i wanted to ask is about a video of shri mataji i saw on the puja. On that video i waw what appears to be gold light eminating as a certain pattern from shri mataji's face, i saw that very clearly from a spot on the highest point on the nose, you the same up-side down triangle that you see on the nose of shri krisna on posters of him. And later i also saw the same gold light pattern eminating from other yogi in the meditation hall. I wanted to know if everybody sees this and if not perhaps if i have a catch on the agnya chakra or a UPI or something?The second question is regarding certain cold/cool energy feelings i get when just lying in bed. this especially happens when i feel connected with shri mataji's divine love.Then what happens is that it feels like that some cold fluid is being pumped up my nadis at the lower chakra's. it does not feel unconfortably cold but more kundalini cool, my

question is if this is normal or if this is not good because the kundalini energy must go only throuh the sushamna nadi.I ask a yogi at my local group but she did not know or felt it and she has been in it for 20 years so perhaps any of you know what if means and if it is not harmfull.Jai shri Mataji

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, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

" But why do they still need daily cleansing, have ceaseless catches, and still

they are afraid of invisible entities? Why are they still not able to use the

Mother Kundalini to heal and attain the Silence of Nirvikalpa Samadhi? Why has

years of meditation not given them the conviction and faith to tell the Truth,

or at least stand up and protest that the organization is untruthful to

humanity?

Don't you think that " a higher level of mental and emotional and physical

balance and more control over kundalini energy and a stronger flow and a greater

connection with the divine " would make them catch-free, Silent and truthful?

If after 20 years you are still shoe-beating, unable to attain Silence and agree

to the collective mantra that SYs should lie for the sake of Truth then know you

are still at the base level.

Dear Jagbir and All,

Shri Mataji spoke quite clearly on these matters when She said that each person

will be their own enemy if they do not face themselves, rather than a UPI or

evil person being their enemy. No negativity can have sway over a person if they

are spiritually equipped.

Unfortunately, many SY's take 'spiritually equipped' to mean ever-increasing

numbers of external cleansing practices, when very simply....WHAT IS REALLY

REQUIRED is the Surrender to the Divine and the Immersion into the Collective

Consciousness. The Immersion into the Collective Cleansing Consciousness IS NOT

THE SAME as the Immersion into the Collective Consciousmess!

According to Shri Mataji Herself.... " the only method you have got now, or the

only way that is left to you....is for a Drop which has become an Ocean....to

dissolves more in the Ocean....so that you feel the Ocean at least. And to

communicate with other Drops in such a way that you know the Whole through all

of them " .

Shri Mataji realized that many SY's were becoming dependant on external rituals

rather than 'Going Within'....which is the only place where One's 'dropness' can

dissolve more and more into the Ocean of Joy....rather than the continual Ritual

of Cleansing Practices which in and of themselves DO NOT HAVE THE POWER to

dissolve one's 'dropness' into the Ocean! They are after all.... ONLY CLEANSING

PRACTICES....THAT'S ALL!

violet

" So the only method you have got now, or only way is left to you, for a Drop

which has become an Ocean, is to dissolve more in the Ocean, so that you feel

the Ocean at least. And to communicate with other Drops in such a way that you

know the Whole through all of them. ...

Many people are there who will say that " it is my left Swadhishthana " . Some will

say, " I was possessed, there was bhoot " . Somebody will blame something else.

Whatever you are blaming actually who is asking you the explanation? It is only

you asking yourself. You are not facing your self.

So the devotion to me means actually facing to yourself. You face your self

first of all, and see for yourself what are you doing.

You are your own enemy. Nobody is your enemy. Your Mother is not, definitely.

She is not your enemy by any chance. And no bhoots are your enemies, in the way,

if you do not allow them, they cannot be there, No evil person is your enemy,

because he cannot be effective if you are spiritually equipped. So you are your

own enemy "

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

(London, UK, 6 August 1982)

> , " rogerbootsma39 "

> <rogerbootsma39@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Jagbir, thanks for your reply, although some things remained