Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 , " Violet " <violet.tubb wrote: > > Dear Jagbir and All, > The wrong separation of the clergy from the laity is a great evil in God's sight and He hates the lust for religious power over others. There is an ungodly spiritual authority in the Church today, which is nothing more than the prideful spirit of control, manipulation, domination and intimidation and a rebellion of the rightful authority of God. " > > http://latter-rain.com/eschae/nicola.htm > > It seems to be quite clear from the Scriptures then, that God is not fond of a hierarachy or 'ruling class' of clergy over people. > > warmest regards to all, > violet > Dear Violet and All, Shri Mataji Herself has indicated in no uncertain terms what She thought of any hierarchy, ruling class or priesthood. In the Puja speech of the 1986 Guru Puja in Austria, She denounced any flavor of priesthood and thundered: " Wherever there is a priesthood, know it's a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia. " (Excerpt below) Most of us have seen and experienced or even suffered from the de facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and pocket Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called world leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms. Jagbir has frequently used a very apt metaphor for these little pooh-bahs: these are just post-men at the local post office tasked with delivering letters but have made themselves the lords of all they survey. From the same excerpt Shri Mataji has these words for them: " No Sahaja Yogi guru is going to take any money nor anybody is going to bow to them, nor they are going to take any kind of special attention. " Chandra " ...There are so many descriptions of a guru, how a satguru should be. Not in the West, I didn't see that because I think they never believed in gurus but they have lots of gurus, like Pope is another horrible fake guru sitting here. Then we have another one, Bishop of Canterbury sitting there, all of them are false gurus, know nothing about Kundalini, don't know anything Brahma and they just want to denounce Indian ideas not because they are Indian but because if Sahaja Yoga is established they will lose all their earnings; from where will they get their money and their crowns? So they want to propound that they are the solution, achieving nothing, spoiling the name of Christ, saying all kinds of things against Him stupidly, without knowing the Divine. Then we have many in the Islam, horrible people, just the opposite of Mohamad Sahib, doing all wrong things in the name of Mohamad Sahib. Something like, one can understand, that a thief has to become an imposter to behave like a king to show that he's not a thief and to have his thieving done. This is how they are. All of them right from India we have many Brahmins of the same category. This priesthood has to go. Wherever there is a priesthood, know it's a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia. (Applause). No Sahaja Yogi guru is going to take any money nor anybody is going to bow to them, nor they are going to take any kind of special attention. " (Guru Puja, Gmunden, Austria, 6/7/86) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Dear Chandra and All, You said: " Most of us have seen and experienced or even suffered from the de facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and pocket Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called world leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms. " ...... It is time that Sahaja Yogis stand up to them. i have stood up to them, with the help of Jagbir's brother, Dr. Balwinder, who arranged a meeting, and i am 'officially' allowed to go back to the local collective now. However, i have not been back because i am still aware that these characters can still be looking over my shoulder, and that is a big deterrent to the Sweet Sahaja Yoga Collectivity that i so love and enjoy, and have missed. Maybe, i should not worry about that, and just go. Maybe if i went back, and felt the love, from the non-mafia types, from the ordinary Sahaja Yogis who could not care one 'whit' about power or authority, maybe i could overlook that negativity, and just enjoy the vibrations. The only reason i was discouraged from going to the collective in the first place, is that i might influence other yogis against these mafia types. i had never actually said anything at the local collective gatherings, and had no intention to do so, but the 'priesthood' was worried that i had the power to tarnish their 'managed reputations'. i say 'managed' because they control the SY Media too, and can promote themselves to be most upstanding. However, behind the scenes, they reveal their true colours. They reveal their 'unsahaj uncollective characteristics'. i was very shocked at what happened at Burwood when Shri Mataji was there. A yogini went there to present a book she had written and that Shri Mataji had commissioned her to write many years ago. So, in joy, she went to finally get Shri Mataji's blessing on the finished book. She and her husband (whom Shri Mataji had personally matched) went with great love, devotion, and vibrations to Burwood. i might add that this yogini is also the one who brought the much-loved Hiawatha to the attention of the local collective, and that this choice was approved by Shri Mataji. So we are talking here about Sahaja Yogis who have vibrations and experience them daily! Anyway, for some strange and unfathomable reason, the priesthood mafia types had orchestrated behind the scenes, to 'physically bar' this couple's entry into the Presence of Shri Mataji. They had even 'managed' the local collective to be a 'party' to that. This is the power that the Management Mafia have over rank and file SY's that this is even possible to effect! To cut the story short, the mafia ploy did not work, and their negative actions were completely destroyed by the vibrations and the yogini had her blessing from Shri Mataji. This book, by the way, is one commissioned by Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji says that this book goes beyond what Jung wrote. The only thing against this book that the Management Mafia could have, is that it just further erodes the Priestly Power over the individual! i want to say again that Sahaja Yogis who really care about what Shri Mataji is about, and Her Divine Message to humanity, really need to be aware of this Mafia Element within the organization. It is even at the local collective level, however, if everyone just sees them for what they are, then their power will disappear into thin air. They are a maya. Like Sir C.P. said in his speech, they need to stay in the background. Everyone is allowed to be their own leaders. That is what Sahaja Yoga is really about. If everyone is their own leaders and sweetly submits to other Sahaja Yogis in Divine Love, then the Spirit of God is the controlling element of the collective, and such a horrid thing that happened to this Sahaja Yoga couple, will never happen again. But one word of warning.....Sahaja Yogis need to take off their blinkers and blinders, and stand up as true Sahaj Yogies who do not allow any division like Priest and Laity, because it is against the Divine Will of God Himself. Separation such as Priest and Laity is not True Collectivity! Jai Shri Mataji! love from violet , " my2pai " <my2pai wrote: > > , " Violet " > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jagbir and All, > > > The wrong separation of the clergy from the laity is a great evil in > God's sight and He hates the lust for religious power over others. > There is an ungodly spiritual authority in the Church today, which > is nothing more than the prideful spirit of control, manipulation, > domination and intimidation and a rebellion of the rightful > authority of God. " > > > > http://latter-rain.com/eschae/nicola.htm > > > > It seems to be quite clear from the Scriptures then, that God is > not fond of a hierarachy or 'ruling class' of clergy over people. > > > > warmest regards to all, > > violet > > > > > Dear Violet and All, > > Shri Mataji Herself has indicated in no uncertain terms what She > thought of any hierarchy, ruling class or priesthood. In the Puja > speech of the 1986 Guru Puja in Austria, She denounced any flavor of > priesthood and thundered: " Wherever there is a priesthood, know it's > a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia. " (Excerpt below) > > Most of us have seen and experienced or even suffered from the de > facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and pocket > Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called world > leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms. Jagbir has > frequently used a very apt metaphor for these little pooh-bahs: > these are just post-men at the local post office tasked with > delivering letters but have made themselves the lords of all they > survey. From the same excerpt Shri Mataji has these words for > them: " No Sahaja Yogi guru is going to take any money nor anybody is > going to bow to them, nor they are going to take any kind of special > attention. " > > Chandra > > > " ...There are so many descriptions of a guru, how a satguru should > be. Not in the West, I didn't see that because I think they never > believed in gurus but they have lots of gurus, like Pope is another > horrible fake guru sitting here. Then we have another one, Bishop of > Canterbury sitting there, all of them are false gurus, know nothing > about Kundalini, don't know anything Brahma and they just want to > denounce Indian ideas not because they are Indian but because if > Sahaja Yoga is established they will lose all their earnings; from > where will they get their money and their crowns? So they want to > propound that they are the solution, achieving nothing, spoiling the > name of Christ, saying all kinds of things against Him stupidly, > without knowing the Divine. Then we have many in the Islam, horrible > people, just the opposite of Mohamad Sahib, doing all wrong things > in the name of Mohamad Sahib. Something like, one can understand, > that a thief has to become an imposter to behave like a king to show > that he's not a thief and to have his thieving done. This is how > they are. All of them right from India we have many Brahmins of the > same category. This priesthood has to go. Wherever there is a > priesthood, know it's a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia. (Applause). > No Sahaja Yogi guru is going to take any money nor anybody is going > to bow to them, nor they are going to take any kind of special > attention. " > > (Guru Puja, Gmunden, Austria, 6/7/86) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Dear Chandra and All, i also want to remind SY's that Shri Mataji has approved of Jagbir's websites, however, behind the scenes, the 'sophisticated mafia priesthood'....(as Shri Mataji calls them) have gone to considerable lengths to undermine Jagbir's websites. i have heard them accusing Jagbir of 'wanting power'. This is laughable, because i don't see Jagbir on any Sahaja Committees. He isn't even in line for a World Council Seat. It is while the " sophisticated mafia priesthood' have accused Jagbir of 'wanting power', that they themselves have gradually assumed and usurped temporal power right from under the noses of unsuspecting yogis. This has largely been hidden until now, but they 'got caught with their pants down' in an embarrassing way at Burwood where it happened in front of many Sahaja Yogis. It was one of those `dramas' that Shri Mataji often fondly commented upon, whereby things just 'work out'. (i am referring again to the SY couple with the book to present to Shri Mataji, which SM wanted the yogini to write, and how the 'sophisticated mafia priesthood' had orchestrated and 'harnessed' fellow SY's to thwart this couple's very entry to present this book to Shri Mataji). The attempt failed, of course. i am sure i don't need to remind SY's why this attempt failed, but maybe we do need to be reminded:- THE ATTEMPT FAILED BECAUSE 'SOPHISTICATED PRIESTLY POWER' HAS NO POWER AGAINST THE REAL POWER OF A SAHAJA YOGI. So.... what kind of an influence or power is this, that is going DIRECTLY AGAINST Shri Mataji's express wishes, and is also within the organization of Sahaja Yoga? It is a question that each SY must meditate upon deeply, because to 'sit on the fence' and to fail to act for the Dharma, just to please the 'sophisticated mafia priesthood'.... is to relinquish the God-Given Right To Spiritual Liberation, and to Being One's Own Guru. To sit on the fence is also to be in danger of being swept along by the prevailing current. We need to do our duty, and just hold on to the Truth as Shri Mataji has taught it, and lived it. Getting back to the 'temporal power thing', why should the 'sophisticated mafia priesthood' in Sahaja Yoga worry about Jagbir having any power anyway? After all, as stated before, i don't see Jagbir heading any SY Committee. I don't even see any prospects for Jagbir to hold a World Council Seat. So, what is this power that Jagbir seems to wield over them, which makes them crazy enough to go to extreme measures to try and shut down the websites and even prevent other SY's from even knowing about their existence too? (Btw, preventing SY's from knowing about the websites is in the past. However, if SY's only knew exactly how much effort was expended to thwart knowledge of Jagbir's websites in the past, they would be horrified. They have not realized the 'sophisticated machinery' that has been working in the background, slowly 'turning and twisting' the simple truth that is communicated in these websites. Now, of course, it is considered 'safe' to have knowledge of Jagbir's websites, because the sophisticated mafia machine's Denigration Program is complete. The program has successfully instilled falsehoods and fear about these websites into SY's minds and has 'conditioned' most SY's against them. As it is natural for SY's to want to be loved and accepted, they will want to please the 'sophisticated mafia priestly types' who had no right to even do the Denigration Program, let alone take charge of SY minds and hearts. That was against the Will of Shri Mataji, too! So, after all this 'pretty successful effort' to ward SY's from enjoying Jagbir's websites, why are the `sophisticated mafia priesthood' still so afraid of the websites then? It is because the truth is discussed openly on these websites and forums. It is as simple as that. They just do not like it that the truth is expressed freely and openly, because they have wanted to organize their own particular doctrine and dogma for future generations of Sahaja Yogis, just like happened to Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed Sahib and other Incarnations. Shri Mataji would certainly not fit into their present organizational boundaries if she were not Shri Mataji! In the case of the Sahaja Yoga Priesthood, they too know that they will lose their power, if the truth comes out too much, and the worst truth to come out..... is for SY's to realize that their Yogic Powers have been 'funnelled' for them to the way that this Mafia Machine wants it to be funnelled, and that their yogic powers have been 'usurped' to the Mafia Machine's Design and Will, instead of to the Adi Shakti's Will. Jagbir does not `want power' as the `sophisticated mafia priesthood' have proclaimed. The 'mafia priesthood' have instilled this petty fear of theirs into SY minds. Jagbir does not want power, because he does not need power. The reason why Jagbir does not need power is because he has the power of a Sahaja Yogi. The power of a Sahaja Yogi is the power of innocence, love and truth and the desire to tell others about the Divine Message of Shri Mataji. Jai Shri Mataji! violet , " Violet " <violet.tubb@. ...> wrote: > > Dear Chandra and All, > > You said: > > " Most of us have seen and experienced or even suffered from the de facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and pocket Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called world leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms. " ...... > > It is time that Sahaja Yogis stand up to them. i have stood up to them, with the help of Jagbir's brother, Dr. Balwinder, who arranged a meeting, and i am 'officially' allowed to go back to the local collective now. However, i have not been back because i am still aware that these characters can still be looking over my shoulder, and that is a big deterrent to the Sweet Sahaja Yoga Collectivity that i so love and enjoy, and have missed. > > Maybe, i should not worry about that, and just go. Maybe if i went back, and felt the love, from the non-mafia types, from the ordinary Sahaja Yogis who could not care one 'whit' about power or authority, maybe i could overlook that negativity, and just enjoy the vibrations. > > The only reason i was discouraged from going to the collective in the first place, is that i might influence other yogis against these mafia types. i had never actually said anything at the local collective gatherings, and had no intention to do so, but the 'priesthood' was worried that i had the power to tarnish their 'managed reputations'. i say 'managed' because they control the SY Media too, and can promote themselves to be most upstanding. > > However, behind the scenes, they reveal their true colours. They reveal their 'unsahaj uncollective characteristics'. i was very shocked at what happened at Burwood when Shri Mataji was there. A yogini went there to present a book she had written and that Shri Mataji had commissioned her to write many years ago. So, in joy, she went to finally get Shri Mataji's blessing on the finished book. She and her husband (whom Shri Mataji had personally matched) went with great love, devotion, and vibrations to Burwood. i might add that this yogini is also the one who brought the much-loved Hiawatha to the attention of the local collective, and that this choice was approved by Shri Mataji. So we are talking here about Sahaja Yogis who have vibrations and experience them daily! > > Anyway, for some strange and unfathomable reason, the priesthood mafia types had orchestrated behind the scenes, to 'physically bar' this couple's entry into the Presence of Shri Mataji. They had even 'managed' the local collective to be a 'party' to that. This is the power that the Management Mafia have over rank and file SY's that this is even possible to effect! To cut the story short, the mafia ploy did not work, and their negative actions were completely destroyed by the vibrations and the yogini had her blessing from Shri Mataji. > > This book, by the way, is one commissioned by Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji says that this book goes beyond what Jung wrote. The only thing against this book that the Management Mafia could have, is that it just further erodes the Priestly Power over the individual! > > i want to say again that Sahaja Yogis who really care about what Shri Mataji is about, and Her Divine Message to humanity, really need to be aware of this Mafia Element within the organization. It is even at the local collective level, however, if everyone just sees them for what they are, then their power will disappear into thin air. They are a maya. > > Like Sir C.P. said in his speech, they need to stay in the background. Everyone is allowed to be their own leaders. That is what Sahaja Yoga is really about. If everyone is their own leaders and sweetly submits to other Sahaja Yogis in Divine Love, then the Spirit of God is the controlling element of the collective, and such a horrid thing that happened to this Sahaja Yoga couple, will never happen again. > > But one word of warning.....Sahaja Yogis need to take off their blinkers and blinders, and stand up as true Sahaj Yogies who do not allow any division like Priest and Laity, because it is against the Divine Will of God Himself. Separation such as Priest and Laity is not True Collectivity! > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > love from violet > > > , " my2pai " <my2pai@> > wrote: > > > > , " Violet " > > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jagbir and All, > > > > > The wrong separation of the clergy from the laity is a great evil in > > God's sight and He hates the lust for religious power over others. > > There is an ungodly spiritual authority in the Church today, which > > is nothing more than the prideful spirit of control, manipulation, > > domination and intimidation and a rebellion of the rightful > > authority of God. " > > > > > > http://latter-rain.com/eschae/nicola.htm > > > > > > It seems to be quite clear from the Scriptures then, that God is > > not fond of a hierarachy or 'ruling class' of clergy over people. > > > > > > warmest regards to all, > > > violet > > > > > > > > > Dear Violet and All, > > > > Shri Mataji Herself has indicated in no uncertain terms what She > > thought of any hierarchy, ruling class or priesthood. In the Puja > > speech of the 1986 Guru Puja in Austria, She denounced any flavor of > > priesthood and thundered: " Wherever there is a priesthood, know it's > > a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia. " (Excerpt below) > > > > Most of us have seen and experienced or even suffered from the de > > facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and pocket > > Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called world > > leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms. Jagbir has > > frequently used a very apt metaphor for these little pooh-bahs: > > these are just post-men at the local post office tasked with > > delivering letters but have made themselves the lords of all they > > survey. From the same excerpt Shri Mataji has these words for > > them: " No Sahaja Yogi guru is going to take any money nor anybody is > > going to bow to them, nor they are going to take any kind of special > > attention. " > > > > Chandra > > > > > > " ...There are so many descriptions of a guru, how a satguru should > > be. Not in the West, I didn't see that because I think they never > > believed in gurus but they have lots of gurus, like Pope is another > > horrible fake guru sitting here. Then we have another one, Bishop of > > Canterbury sitting there, all of them are false gurus, know nothing > > about Kundalini, don't know anything Brahma and they just want to > > denounce Indian ideas not because they are Indian but because if > > Sahaja Yoga is established they will lose all their earnings; from > > where will they get their money and their crowns? So they want to > > propound that they are the solution, achieving nothing, spoiling the > > name of Christ, saying all kinds of things against Him stupidly, > > without knowing the Divine. Then we have many in the Islam, horrible > > people, just the opposite of Mohamad Sahib, doing all wrong things > > in the name of Mohamad Sahib. Something like, one can understand, > > that a thief has to become an imposter to behave like a king to show > > that he's not a thief and to have his thieving done. This is how > > they are. All of them right from India we have many Brahmins of the > > same category. This priesthood has to go. Wherever there is a > > priesthood, know it's a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia. (Applause). > > No Sahaja Yogi guru is going to take any money nor anybody is going > > to bow to them, nor they are going to take any kind of special > > attention. " > > > > (Guru Puja, Gmunden, Austria, 6/7/86) > > > , " Violet " <violet.tubb@. ...> wrote: > > Dear Chandra and All, > > You said: > > " Most of us have seen and experienced or even suffered from the de facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and pocket Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called world leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms. " ...... > > It is time that Sahaja Yogis stand up to them. i have stood up to them, with the help of Jagbir's brother, Dr. Balwinder, who arranged a meeting, and i am 'officially' allowed to go back to the local collective now. However, i have not been back because i am still aware that these characters can still be looking over my shoulder, and that is a big deterrent to the Sweet Sahaja Yoga Collectivity that i so love and enjoy, and have missed. > > Maybe, i should not worry about that, and just go. Maybe if i went back, and felt the love, from the non-mafia types, from the ordinary Sahaja Yogis who could not care one 'whit' about power or authority, maybe i could overlook that negativity, and just enjoy the vibrations. > > The only reason i was discouraged from going to the collective in the first place, is that i might influence other yogis against these mafia types. i had never actually said anything at the local collective gatherings, and had no intention to do so, but the 'priesthood' was worried that i had the power to tarnish their 'managed reputations'. i say 'managed' because they control the SY Media too, and can promote themselves to be most upstanding. > > However, behind the scenes, they reveal their true colours. They reveal their 'unsahaj uncollective characteristics'. i was very shocked at what happened at Burwood when Shri Mataji was there. A yogini went there to present a book she had written and that Shri Mataji had commissioned her to write many years ago. So, in joy, she went to finally get Shri Mataji's blessing on the finished book. She and her husband (whom Shri Mataji had personally matched) went with great love, devotion, and vibrations to Burwood. i might add that this yogini is also the one who brought the much-loved Hiawatha to the attention of the local collective, and that this choice was approved by Shri Mataji. So we are talking here about Sahaja Yogis who have vibrations and experience them daily! > > Anyway, for some strange and unfathomable reason, the priesthood mafia types had orchestrated behind the scenes, to 'physically bar' this couple's entry into the Presence of Shri Mataji. They had even 'managed' the local collective to be a 'party' to that. This is the power that the Management Mafia have over rank and file SY's that this is even possible to effect! To cut the story short, the mafia ploy did not work, and their negative actions were completely destroyed by the vibrations and the yogini had her blessing from Shri Mataji. > > This book, by the way, is one commissioned by Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji says that this book goes beyond what Jung wrote. The only thing against this book that the Management Mafia could have, is that it just further erodes the Priestly Power over the individual! > > i want to say again that Sahaja Yogis who really care about what Shri Mataji is about, and Her Divine Message to humanity, really need to be aware of this Mafia Element within the organization. It is even at the local collective level, however, if everyone just sees them for what they are, then their power will disappear into thin air. They are a maya. > > Like Sir C.P. said in his speech, they need to stay in the background. Everyone is allowed to be their own leaders. That is what Sahaja Yoga is really about. If everyone is their own leaders and sweetly submits to other Sahaja Yogis in Divine Love, then the Spirit of God is the controlling element of the collective, and such a horrid thing that happened to this Sahaja Yoga couple, will never happen again. > > But one word of warning.....Sahaja Yogis need to take off their blinkers and blinders, and stand up as true Sahaj Yogies who do not allow any division like Priest and Laity, because it is against the Divine Will of God Himself. Separation such as Priest and Laity is not True Collectivity! > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > love from violet > > > , " my2pai " <my2pai@> > wrote: > > > > , " Violet " > > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jagbir and All, > > > > > The wrong separation of the clergy from the laity is a great evil in > > God's sight and He hates the lust for religious power over others. > > There is an ungodly spiritual authority in the Church today, which > > is nothing more than the prideful spirit of control, manipulation, > > domination and intimidation and a rebellion of the rightful > > authority of God. " > > > > > > http://latter-rain.com/eschae/nicola.htm > > > > > > It seems to be quite clear from the Scriptures then, that God is > > not fond of a hierarachy or 'ruling class' of clergy over people. > > > > > > warmest regards to all, > > > violet > > > > > > > > > Dear Violet and All, > > > > Shri Mataji Herself has indicated in no uncertain terms what She > > thought of any hierarchy, ruling class or priesthood. In the Puja > > speech of the 1986 Guru Puja in Austria, She denounced any flavor of > > priesthood and thundered: " Wherever there is a priesthood, know it's > > a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia. " (Excerpt below) > > > > Most of us have seen and experienced or even suffered from the de > > facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and pocket > > Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called world > > leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms. Jagbir has > > frequently used a very apt metaphor for these little pooh-bahs: > > these are just post-men at the local post office tasked with > > delivering letters but have made themselves the lords of all they > > survey. From the same excerpt Shri Mataji has these words for > > them: " No Sahaja Yogi guru is going to take any money nor anybody is > > going to bow to them, nor they are going to take any kind of special > > attention. " > > > > Chandra > > > > > > " ...There are so many descriptions of a guru, how a satguru should > > be. Not in the West, I didn't see that because I think they never > > believed in gurus but they have lots of gurus, like Pope is another > > horrible fake guru sitting here. Then we have another one, Bishop of > > Canterbury sitting there, all of them are false gurus, know nothing > > about Kundalini, don't know anything Brahma and they just want to > > denounce Indian ideas not because they are Indian but because if > > Sahaja Yoga is established they will lose all their earnings; from > > where will they get their money and their crowns? So they want to > > propound that they are the solution, achieving nothing, spoiling the > > name of Christ, saying all kinds of things against Him stupidly, > > without knowing the Divine. Then we have many in the Islam, horrible > > people, just the opposite of Mohamad Sahib, doing all wrong things > > in the name of Mohamad Sahib. Something like, one can understand, > > that a thief has to become an imposter to behave like a king to show > > that he's not a thief and to have his thieving done. This is how > > they are. All of them right from India we have many Brahmins of the > > same category. This priesthood has to go. Wherever there is a > > priesthood, know it's a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia. (Applause). > > No Sahaja Yogi guru is going to take any money nor anybody is going > > to bow to them, nor they are going to take any kind of special > > attention. " > > > > (Guru Puja, Gmunden, Austria, 6/7/86) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Dear All, Maybe the " de facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and pocket Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called world leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms " can be inspired by fearless faith and resolute conviction of a 13-year-old. However, i can assure SYs that all our centre, country, or so- called world leaders COMBINED will never match the courage of Ngawang Sangdrol, even after several rebirths. The latest label the Sahaj priesthood have pinned on me is " a possessed false guru. " That is their strategy now to assassinate the character of those who just want to follow Her very requests and announce the same truth that Shri Mataji has been doing for three decades. As Shri Mataji has so aptly said " Wherever there is a priesthood, know it's a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia " . However, take heart that their power has been decimated by the silence of Shri Mataji and their own rivalries and power struggles. Be your own masters and understand that these emperors have no clothes - don't believe their hype. Last, but not the least, bide for time as it is definitely on our side. Just remain in Silence and witness them destroying themselves .... just as Shri Mataji is doing. Jai Shri Ganapathi, jagbir Surviving a Tibetan gulag By Sarah Buckley BBC News, Thursday, 27 April 2006 She had been asked how long a particular torture method - being hung by the arms after they are tied behind the back - would be used during incarceration. " It's so painful you don't keep a timing on it, " she said simply. Ms Sangdrol served 12 years in prison before she was released in 2002. She is still only in her late 20s. She was first imprisoned aged 13, after she joined her fellow nuns in Garu Nunnery in shouting " Independence for Tibet " and " Long live the Dalai Lama " during a protest outside the Summer Palace in Lhasa. She served nine months in Gutsa detention centre before she was released. But her freedom did not last long. In 1992, she was rearrested for joining another protest and taken to the notorious Drapchi jail. The penalties at Drapchi were severe. Ms Sangdrol was forced to suffer beatings with iron rods and rubber pipes, electric cattle prods on the tongue, knitting and spinning until her fingers blistered, and six months in complete darkness while in solitary confinement. There was also extremely unpleasant hard labour. " For instance, we had to use night soil on the garden... You have to take turns to go down to the latrine and pass up the waste. When the bucket is pulled, inevitably it splashes and spills everywhere and it will go into your mouth, " she said. She still suffers headaches and kidney and stomach problems as a result of her treatment. But, she said, " the mental torture was worse " . " We had to denounce his Holiness the Dalai Lama and were not allowed to engage in religious practice. " This answer is a measure of her commitment to her Buddhist beliefs and helps to explain her behaviour in jail. Ms Sangdrol repeatedly defied the prison authorities, including singing revolutionary songs which were taped and smuggled out of jail, and this earned her ever-extended prison sentences. She said the sacrifice was worth it. " Even when I first went to prison I knew this sort of torture was taking place... (but) I was even angrier that an invader would come to our country and persecute our people, " she said, referring to China's invasion in 1950, and its subsequent rule. She was eventually freed in October 2002. Her early release was ostensibly on grounds of good behaviour, but came just days before then-Chinese President Jiang Zemin visited George Bush's Texan ranch. Thus, Ms Sangdrol won her freedom, but lost her family. She was forced to leave Tibet five months after her release, and to say goodbye to two sisters and a brother. She has not seen them since. She now lives in the US and works for the International Campaign for Tibet as a human rights analyst. She says she wants to use the next few years to learn foreign languages and to lobby for the " middle way " approach as advocated by the Dalai Lama - autonomy for Tibet, rather than independence. Her new life in the US is also personally significant. " In the prison I was not allowed to do religious practice, but now I have the opportunity, and it's nice now, " she said. Surviving a Tibetan gulag http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4618775.stm , " Violet " <violet.tubb wrote: > > Dear Chandra and All, > > You said: > > " Most of us have seen and experienced or even suffered from the de facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and pocket Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called world leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms. " ...... > > It is time that Sahaja Yogis stand up to them. i have stood up to them, with the help of Jagbir's brother, Dr. Balwinder, who arranged a meeting, and i am 'officially' allowed to go back to the local collective now. However, i have not been back because i am still aware that these characters can still be looking over my shoulder, and that is a big deterrent to the Sweet Sahaja Yoga Collectivity that i so love and enjoy, and have missed. > > Maybe, i should not worry about that, and just go. Maybe if i went back, and felt the love, from the non-mafia types, from the ordinary Sahaja Yogis who could not care one 'whit' about power or authority, maybe i could overlook that negativity, and just enjoy the vibrations. > > The only reason i was discouraged from going to the collective in the first place, is that i might influence other yogis against these mafia types. i had never actually said anything at the local collective gatherings, and had no intention to do so, but the 'priesthood' was worried that i had the power to tarnish their 'managed reputations'. i say 'managed' because they control the SY Media too, and can promote themselves to be most upstanding. > > However, behind the scenes, they reveal their true colours. They reveal their 'unsahaj uncollective characteristics'. i was very shocked at what happened at Burwood when Shri Mataji was there. A yogini went there to present a book she had written and that Shri Mataji had commissioned her to write many years ago. So, in joy, she went to finally get Shri Mataji's blessing on the finished book. She and her husband (whom Shri Mataji had personally matched) went with great love, devotion, and vibrations to Burwood. i might add that this yogini is also the one who brought the much-loved Hiawatha to the attention of the local collective, and that this choice was approved by Shri Mataji. So we are talking here about Sahaja Yogis who have vibrations and experience them daily! > > Anyway, for some strange and unfathomable reason, the priesthood mafia types had orchestrated behind the scenes, to 'physically bar' this couple's entry into the Presence of Shri Mataji. They had even 'managed' the local collective to be a 'party' to that. This is the power that the Management Mafia have over rank and file SY's that this is even possible to effect! To cut the story short, the mafia ploy did not work, and their negative actions were completely destroyed by the vibrations and the yogini had her blessing from Shri Mataji. > > This book, by the way, is one commissioned by Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji says that this book goes beyond what Jung wrote. The only thing against this book that the Management Mafia could have, is that it just further erodes the Priestly Power over the individual! > > i want to say again that Sahaja Yogis who really care about what Shri Mataji is about, and Her Divine Message to humanity, really need to be aware of this Mafia Element within the organization. It is even at the local collective level, however, if everyone just sees them for what they are, then their power will disappear into thin air. They are a maya. > > Like Sir C.P. said in his speech, they need to stay in the background. Everyone is allowed to be their own leaders. That is what Sahaja Yoga is really about. If everyone is their own leaders and sweetly submits to other Sahaja Yogis in Divine Love, then the Spirit of God is the controlling element of the collective, and such a horrid thing that happened to this Sahaja Yoga couple, will never happen again. > > But one word of warning.....Sahaja Yogis need to take off their blinkers and blinders, and stand up as true Sahaj Yogies who do not allow any division like Priest and Laity, because it is against the Divine Will of God Himself. Separation such as Priest and Laity is not True Collectivity! > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > love from violet > > > , " my2pai " <my2pai@> > wrote: > > > > , " Violet " > > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jagbir and All, > > > > > The wrong separation of the clergy from the laity is a great evil in > > God's sight and He hates the lust for religious power over others. > > There is an ungodly spiritual authority in the Church today, which > > is nothing more than the prideful spirit of control, manipulation, > > domination and intimidation and a rebellion of the rightful > > authority of God. " > > > > > > http://latter-rain.com/eschae/nicola.htm > > > > > > It seems to be quite clear from the Scriptures then, that God is > > not fond of a hierarachy or 'ruling class' of clergy over people. > > > > > > warmest regards to all, > > > violet > > > > > > > > > Dear Violet and All, > > > > Shri Mataji Herself has indicated in no uncertain terms what She > > thought of any hierarchy, ruling class or priesthood. In the Puja > > speech of the 1986 Guru Puja in Austria, She denounced any flavor of > > priesthood and thundered: " Wherever there is a priesthood, know it's > > a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia. " (Excerpt below) > > > > Most of us have seen and experienced or even suffered from the de > > facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and pocket > > Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called world > > leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms. Jagbir has > > frequently used a very apt metaphor for these little pooh-bahs: > > these are just post-men at the local post office tasked with > > delivering letters but have made themselves the lords of all they > > survey. From the same excerpt Shri Mataji has these words for > > them: " No Sahaja Yogi guru is going to take any money nor anybody is > > going to bow to them, nor they are going to take any kind of special > > attention. " > > > > Chandra > > > > > > " ...There are so many descriptions of a guru, how a satguru should > > be. Not in the West, I didn't see that because I think they never > > believed in gurus but they have lots of gurus, like Pope is another > > horrible fake guru sitting here. Then we have another one, Bishop of > > Canterbury sitting there, all of them are false gurus, know nothing > > about Kundalini, don't know anything Brahma and they just want to > > denounce Indian ideas not because they are Indian but because if > > Sahaja Yoga is established they will lose all their earnings; from > > where will they get their money and their crowns? So they want to > > propound that they are the solution, achieving nothing, spoiling the > > name of Christ, saying all kinds of things against Him stupidly, > > without knowing the Divine. Then we have many in the Islam, horrible > > people, just the opposite of Mohamad Sahib, doing all wrong things > > in the name of Mohamad Sahib. Something like, one can understand, > > that a thief has to become an imposter to behave like a king to show > > that he's not a thief and to have his thieving done. This is how > > they are. All of them right from India we have many Brahmins of the > > same category. This priesthood has to go. Wherever there is a > > priesthood, know it's a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia. (Applause). > > No Sahaja Yogi guru is going to take any money nor anybody is going > > to bow to them, nor they are going to take any kind of special > > attention. " > > > > (Guru Puja, Gmunden, Austria, 6/7/86) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Jagbir, When i wrote the two posts today on the subject of the 'sophisticated priestly mafia', i had no idea that you were going to say that they have now labelled you as a 'possessed false guru'! Now i know why i felt compelled to speak out about them. Could they perhaps also be labelled 'possessed false priests'? In any case, i just cannot believe that they have stooped so low, and against Shri Mataji's express wishes to leave you alone to get on with the job that they Will Not Do. Surely, they have now 'befooled themselves' by finally believing their own falsehoods which they have whispered behind your back, but which is now coming into the light. i express my personal condolensces to you, as it is never nice to be denounced like this by any group. It is an insult to you, and as you are a Sahaja Yogi brother to me, it is also an insult to me, and i can assure you that i will stand by you through 'thick and thin' and support you in any way i can. i also probably won't go to the collective now, after they have denounced you like this! Shame on them! love and best wishes, violet , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > Dear All, > > Maybe the " de facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and > pocket Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called > world leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms " can be > inspired by fearless faith and resolute conviction of a 13-year-old. > > However, i can assure SYs that all our centre, country, or so- > called world leaders COMBINED will never match the courage of > Ngawang Sangdrol, even after several rebirths. The latest label the > Sahaj priesthood have pinned on me is " a possessed false guru. " That > is their strategy now to assassinate the character of those who just > want to follow Her very requests and announce the same truth that > Shri Mataji has been doing for three decades. As Shri Mataji has so > aptly said " Wherever there is a priesthood, know it's a mafia, is a > sophisticated mafia " . > > However, take heart that their power has been decimated by the > silence of Shri Mataji and their own rivalries and power struggles. > Be your own masters and understand that these emperors have no > clothes - don't believe their hype. Last, but not the least, bide > for time as it is definitely on our side. Just remain in Silence and > witness them destroying themselves .... just as Shri Mataji is doing. > > Jai Shri Ganapathi, > > jagbir > > > > Surviving a Tibetan gulag > By Sarah Buckley > BBC News, Thursday, 27 April 2006 > > She had been asked how long a particular torture method - being hung > by the arms after they are tied behind the back - would be used > during incarceration. > > " It's so painful you don't keep a timing on it, " she said simply. > > Ms Sangdrol served 12 years in prison before she was released in > 2002. She is still only in her late 20s. > > She was first imprisoned aged 13, after she joined her fellow nuns > in Garu Nunnery in shouting " Independence for Tibet " and " Long live > the Dalai Lama " during a protest outside the Summer Palace in Lhasa. > > She served nine months in Gutsa detention centre before she was > released. But her freedom did not last long. > > In 1992, she was rearrested for joining another protest and taken to > the notorious Drapchi jail. > > The penalties at Drapchi were severe. Ms Sangdrol was forced to > suffer beatings with iron rods and rubber pipes, electric cattle > prods on the tongue, knitting and spinning until her fingers > blistered, and six months in complete darkness while in solitary > confinement. > > There was also extremely unpleasant hard labour. > > " For instance, we had to use night soil on the garden... You have to > take turns to go down to the latrine and pass up the waste. When the > bucket is pulled, inevitably it splashes and spills everywhere and > it will go into your mouth, " she said. > > She still suffers headaches and kidney and stomach problems as a > result of her treatment. > > But, she said, " the mental torture was worse " . > > " We had to denounce his Holiness the Dalai Lama and were not allowed > to engage in religious practice. " > > This answer is a measure of her commitment to her Buddhist beliefs > and helps to explain her behaviour in jail. > > Ms Sangdrol repeatedly defied the prison authorities, including > singing revolutionary songs which were taped and smuggled out of > jail, and this earned her ever-extended prison sentences. > > She said the sacrifice was worth it. > > " Even when I first went to prison I knew this sort of torture was > taking place... (but) I was even angrier that an invader would come > to our country and persecute our people, " she said, referring to > China's invasion in 1950, and its subsequent rule. > > She was eventually freed in October 2002. Her early release was > ostensibly on grounds of good behaviour, but came just days before > then-Chinese President Jiang Zemin visited George Bush's Texan > ranch. > > Thus, Ms Sangdrol won her freedom, but lost her family. She was > forced to leave Tibet five months after her release, and to say > goodbye to two sisters and a brother. She has not seen them since. > > She now lives in the US and works for the International Campaign for > Tibet as a human rights analyst. > > She says she wants to use the next few years to learn foreign > languages and to lobby for the " middle way " approach as advocated by > the Dalai Lama - autonomy for Tibet, rather than independence. > > Her new life in the US is also personally significant. > > " In the prison I was not allowed to do religious practice, but now I > have the opportunity, and it's nice now, " she said. > > Surviving a Tibetan gulag > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4618775.stm > > , " Violet " > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > Dear Chandra and All, > > > > You said: > > > > " Most of us have seen and experienced or even suffered from the de > facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and pocket > Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called world > leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms. " ...... > > > > It is time that Sahaja Yogis stand up to them. i have stood up to > them, with the help of Jagbir's brother, Dr. Balwinder, who arranged > a meeting, and i am 'officially' allowed to go back to the local > collective now. However, i have not been back because i am still > aware that these characters can still be looking over my shoulder, > and that is a big deterrent to the Sweet Sahaja Yoga Collectivity > that i so love and enjoy, and have missed. > > > > Maybe, i should not worry about that, and just go. Maybe if i went > back, and felt the love, from the non-mafia types, from the ordinary > Sahaja Yogis who could not care one 'whit' about power or authority, > maybe i could overlook that negativity, and just enjoy the > vibrations. > > > > The only reason i was discouraged from going to the collective in > the first place, is that i might influence other yogis against these > mafia types. i had never actually said anything at the local > collective gatherings, and had no intention to do so, but > the 'priesthood' was worried that i had the power to tarnish > their 'managed reputations'. i say 'managed' because they control > the SY Media too, and can promote themselves to be most upstanding. > > > > However, behind the scenes, they reveal their true colours. They > reveal their 'unsahaj uncollective characteristics'. i was very > shocked at what happened at Burwood when Shri Mataji was there. A > yogini went there to present a book she had written and that Shri > Mataji had commissioned her to write many years ago. So, in joy, she > went to finally get Shri Mataji's blessing on the finished book. She > and her husband (whom Shri Mataji had personally matched) went with > great love, devotion, and vibrations to Burwood. i might add that > this yogini is also the one who brought the much-loved Hiawatha to > the attention of the local collective, and that this choice was > approved by Shri Mataji. So we are talking here about Sahaja Yogis > who have vibrations and experience them daily! > > > > Anyway, for some strange and unfathomable reason, the priesthood > mafia types had orchestrated behind the scenes, to 'physically bar' > this couple's entry into the Presence of Shri Mataji. They had > even 'managed' the local collective to be a 'party' to that. This is > the power that the Management Mafia have over rank and file SY's > that this is even possible to effect! To cut the story short, the > mafia ploy did not work, and their negative actions were completely > destroyed by the vibrations and the yogini had her blessing from > Shri Mataji. > > > > This book, by the way, is one commissioned by Shri Mataji. Shri > Mataji says that this book goes beyond what Jung wrote. The only > thing against this book that the Management Mafia could have, is > that it just further erodes the Priestly Power over the individual! > > > > i want to say again that Sahaja Yogis who really care about what > Shri Mataji is about, and Her Divine Message to humanity, really > need to be aware of this Mafia Element within the organization. It > is even at the local collective level, however, if everyone just > sees them for what they are, then their power will disappear into > thin air. They are a maya. > > > > Like Sir C.P. said in his speech, they need to stay in the > background. Everyone is allowed to be their own leaders. That is > what Sahaja Yoga is really about. If everyone is their own leaders > and sweetly submits to other Sahaja Yogis in Divine Love, then the > Spirit of God is the controlling element of the collective, and such > a horrid thing that happened to this Sahaja Yoga couple, will never > happen again. > > > > But one word of warning.....Sahaja Yogis need to take off their > blinkers and blinders, and stand up as true Sahaj Yogies who do not > allow any division like Priest and Laity, because it is against the > Divine Will of God Himself. Separation such as Priest and Laity is > not True Collectivity! > > > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > > > love from violet > > > > > > , " my2pai " <my2pai@> > > wrote: > > > > > > , " Violet " > > > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Jagbir and All, > > > > > > > The wrong separation of the clergy from the laity is a great > evil in > > > God's sight and He hates the lust for religious power over > others. > > > There is an ungodly spiritual authority in the Church today, > which > > > is nothing more than the prideful spirit of control, > manipulation, > > > domination and intimidation and a rebellion of the rightful > > > authority of God. " > > > > > > > > http://latter-rain.com/eschae/nicola.htm > > > > > > > > It seems to be quite clear from the Scriptures then, that God > is > > > not fond of a hierarachy or 'ruling class' of clergy over > people. > > > > > > > > warmest regards to all, > > > > violet > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Violet and All, > > > > > > Shri Mataji Herself has indicated in no uncertain terms what She > > > thought of any hierarchy, ruling class or priesthood. In the > Puja > > > speech of the 1986 Guru Puja in Austria, She denounced any > flavor of > > > priesthood and thundered: " Wherever there is a priesthood, know > it's > > > a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia. " (Excerpt below) > > > > > > Most of us have seen and experienced or even suffered from the > de > > > facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and pocket > > > Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called world > > > leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms. Jagbir has > > > frequently used a very apt metaphor for these little pooh-bahs: > > > these are just post-men at the local post office tasked with > > > delivering letters but have made themselves the lords of all > they > > > survey. From the same excerpt Shri Mataji has these words for > > > them: " No Sahaja Yogi guru is going to take any money nor > anybody is > > > going to bow to them, nor they are going to take any kind of > special > > > attention. " > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > " ...There are so many descriptions of a guru, how a satguru > should > > > be. Not in the West, I didn't see that because I think they > never > > > believed in gurus but they have lots of gurus, like Pope is > another > > > horrible fake guru sitting here. Then we have another one, > Bishop of > > > Canterbury sitting there, all of them are false gurus, know > nothing > > > about Kundalini, don't know anything Brahma and they just want > to > > > denounce Indian ideas not because they are Indian but because if > > > Sahaja Yoga is established they will lose all their earnings; > from > > > where will they get their money and their crowns? So they want > to > > > propound that they are the solution, achieving nothing, spoiling > the > > > name of Christ, saying all kinds of things against Him stupidly, > > > without knowing the Divine. Then we have many in the Islam, > horrible > > > people, just the opposite of Mohamad Sahib, doing all wrong > things > > > in the name of Mohamad Sahib. Something like, one can > understand, > > > that a thief has to become an imposter to behave like a king to > show > > > that he's not a thief and to have his thieving done. This is how > > > they are. All of them right from India we have many Brahmins of > the > > > same category. This priesthood has to go. Wherever there is a > > > priesthood, know it's a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia. > (Applause). > > > No Sahaja Yogi guru is going to take any money nor anybody is > going > > > to bow to them, nor they are going to take any kind of special > > > attention. " > > > > > > (Guru Puja, Gmunden, Austria, 6/7/86) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear All, i just realized why the 'Sahaj Mafia Priesthood' have resorted to the character assassination of Jagbir. It is because they like to have control of everything and everybody. They tried to control these websites too by attempting to shut them down. They do not believe in freedom of speech and expression. They were unsuccessful in trying to shut these websites down, and these websites are going to the top of Google Rankings. That is why they are now resorting to character assassination. In reality, it is JUST MORE EVIDENCE against them. It shows where there REAL LOVE lies. Their real love lies in the LOVE OF POWER! violet , " Violet " <violet.tubb@. ...> wrote: > > Dear Jagbir, > > When i wrote the two posts today on the subject of the 'sophisticated priestly mafia', i had no idea that you were going to say that they have now labelled you as a 'possessed false guru'! Now i know why i felt compelled to speak out about them. Could they perhaps also be labelled 'possessed false priests'? > > In any case, i just cannot believe that they have stooped so low, and against Shri Mataji's express wishes to leave you alone to get on with the job that they Will Not Do. Surely, they have now 'befooled themselves' by finally believing their own falsehoods which they have whispered behind your back, but which is now coming into the light. > > i express my personal condolensces to you, as it is never nice to be denounced like this by any group. It is an insult to you, and as you are a Sahaja Yogi brother to me, it is also an insult to me, and i can assure you that i will stand by you through 'thick and thin' and support you in any way i can. > > i also probably won't go to the collective now, after they have denounced you like this! > > Shame on them! > > love and best wishes, > violet > > > , " jagbir singh " > <adishakti_org@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Maybe the " de facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and > > pocket Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called > > world leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms " can be > > inspired by fearless faith and resolute conviction of a 13-year- old. > > > > However, i can assure SYs that all our centre, country, or so- > > called world leaders COMBINED will never match the courage of > > Ngawang Sangdrol, even after several rebirths. The latest label the > > Sahaj priesthood have pinned on me is " a possessed false guru. " That > > is their strategy now to assassinate the character of those who just > > want to follow Her very requests and announce the same truth that > > Shri Mataji has been doing for three decades. As Shri Mataji has so > > aptly said " Wherever there is a priesthood, know it's a mafia, is a > > sophisticated mafia " . > > > > However, take heart that their power has been decimated by the > > silence of Shri Mataji and their own rivalries and power struggles. > > Be your own masters and understand that these emperors have no > > clothes - don't believe their hype. Last, but not the least, bide > > for time as it is definitely on our side. Just remain in Silence and > > witness them destroying themselves .... just as Shri Mataji is > doing. > > > > Jai Shri Ganapathi, > > > > jagbir > > > > > > > > Surviving a Tibetan gulag > > By Sarah Buckley > > BBC News, Thursday, 27 April 2006 > > > > She had been asked how long a particular torture method - being hung > > by the arms after they are tied behind the back - would be used > > during incarceration. > > > > " It's so painful you don't keep a timing on it, " she said simply. > > > > Ms Sangdrol served 12 years in prison before she was released in > > 2002. She is still only in her late 20s. > > > > She was first imprisoned aged 13, after she joined her fellow nuns > > in Garu Nunnery in shouting " Independence for Tibet " and " Long live > > the Dalai Lama " during a protest outside the Summer Palace in Lhasa. > > > > She served nine months in Gutsa detention centre before she was > > released. But her freedom did not last long. > > > > In 1992, she was rearrested for joining another protest and taken to > > the notorious Drapchi jail. > > > > The penalties at Drapchi were severe. Ms Sangdrol was forced to > > suffer beatings with iron rods and rubber pipes, electric cattle > > prods on the tongue, knitting and spinning until her fingers > > blistered, and six months in complete darkness while in solitary > > confinement. > > > > There was also extremely unpleasant hard labour. > > > > " For instance, we had to use night soil on the garden... You have to > > take turns to go down to the latrine and pass up the waste. When the > > bucket is pulled, inevitably it splashes and spills everywhere and > > it will go into your mouth, " she said. > > > > She still suffers headaches and kidney and stomach problems as a > > result of her treatment. > > > > But, she said, " the mental torture was worse " . > > > > " We had to denounce his Holiness the Dalai Lama and were not allowed > > to engage in religious practice. " > > > > This answer is a measure of her commitment to her Buddhist beliefs > > and helps to explain her behaviour in jail. > > > > Ms Sangdrol repeatedly defied the prison authorities, including > > singing revolutionary songs which were taped and smuggled out of > > jail, and this earned her ever-extended prison sentences. > > > > She said the sacrifice was worth it. > > > > " Even when I first went to prison I knew this sort of torture was > > taking place... (but) I was even angrier that an invader would come > > to our country and persecute our people, " she said, referring to > > China's invasion in 1950, and its subsequent rule. > > > > She was eventually freed in October 2002. Her early release was > > ostensibly on grounds of good behaviour, but came just days before > > then-Chinese President Jiang Zemin visited George Bush's Texan > > ranch. > > > > Thus, Ms Sangdrol won her freedom, but lost her family. She was > > forced to leave Tibet five months after her release, and to say > > goodbye to two sisters and a brother. She has not seen them since. > > > > She now lives in the US and works for the International Campaign for > > Tibet as a human rights analyst. > > > > She says she wants to use the next few years to learn foreign > > languages and to lobby for the " middle way " approach as advocated by > > the Dalai Lama - autonomy for Tibet, rather than independence. > > > > Her new life in the US is also personally significant. > > > > " In the prison I was not allowed to do religious practice, but now I > > have the opportunity, and it's nice now, " she said. > > > > Surviving a Tibetan gulag > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4618775.stm > > > > , " Violet " > > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandra and All, > > > > > > You said: > > > > > > " Most of us have seen and experienced or even suffered from the de > > facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and pocket > > Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called world > > leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms. " ...... > > > > > > It is time that Sahaja Yogis stand up to them. i have stood up to > > them, with the help of Jagbir's brother, Dr. Balwinder, who arranged > > a meeting, and i am 'officially' allowed to go back to the local > > collective now. However, i have not been back because i am still > > aware that these characters can still be looking over my shoulder, > > and that is a big deterrent to the Sweet Sahaja Yoga Collectivity > > that i so love and enjoy, and have missed. > > > > > > Maybe, i should not worry about that, and just go. Maybe if i went > > back, and felt the love, from the non-mafia types, from the ordinary > > Sahaja Yogis who could not care one 'whit' about power or authority, > > maybe i could overlook that negativity, and just enjoy the > > vibrations. > > > > > > The only reason i was discouraged from going to the collective in > > the first place, is that i might influence other yogis against these > > mafia types. i had never actually said anything at the local > > collective gatherings, and had no intention to do so, but > > the 'priesthood' was worried that i had the power to tarnish > > their 'managed reputations'. i say 'managed' because they control > > the SY Media too, and can promote themselves to be most upstanding. > > > > > > However, behind the scenes, they reveal their true colours. They > > reveal their 'unsahaj uncollective characteristics'. i was very > > shocked at what happened at Burwood when Shri Mataji was there. A > > yogini went there to present a book she had written and that Shri > > Mataji had commissioned her to write many years ago. So, in joy, she > > went to finally get Shri Mataji's blessing on the finished book. She > > and her husband (whom Shri Mataji had personally matched) went with > > great love, devotion, and vibrations to Burwood. i might add that > > this yogini is also the one who brought the much-loved Hiawatha to > > the attention of the local collective, and that this choice was > > approved by Shri Mataji. So we are talking here about Sahaja Yogis > > who have vibrations and experience them daily! > > > > > > Anyway, for some strange and unfathomable reason, the priesthood > > mafia types had orchestrated behind the scenes, to 'physically bar' > > this couple's entry into the Presence of Shri Mataji. They had > > even 'managed' the local collective to be a 'party' to that. This is > > the power that the Management Mafia have over rank and file SY's > > that this is even possible to effect! To cut the story short, the > > mafia ploy did not work, and their negative actions were completely > > destroyed by the vibrations and the yogini had her blessing from > > Shri Mataji. > > > > > > This book, by the way, is one commissioned by Shri Mataji. Shri > > Mataji says that this book goes beyond what Jung wrote. The only > > thing against this book that the Management Mafia could have, is > > that it just further erodes the Priestly Power over the individual! > > > > > > i want to say again that Sahaja Yogis who really care about what > > Shri Mataji is about, and Her Divine Message to humanity, really > > need to be aware of this Mafia Element within the organization. It > > is even at the local collective level, however, if everyone just > > sees them for what they are, then their power will disappear into > > thin air. They are a maya. > > > > > > Like Sir C.P. said in his speech, they need to stay in the > > background. Everyone is allowed to be their own leaders. That is > > what Sahaja Yoga is really about. If everyone is their own leaders > > and sweetly submits to other Sahaja Yogis in Divine Love, then the > > Spirit of God is the controlling element of the collective, and such > > a horrid thing that happened to this Sahaja Yoga couple, will never > > happen again. > > > > > > But one word of warning.....Sahaja Yogis need to take off their > > blinkers and blinders, and stand up as true Sahaj Yogies who do not > > allow any division like Priest and Laity, because it is against the > > Divine Will of God Himself. Separation such as Priest and Laity is > > not True Collectivity! > > > > > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > > > > > love from violet > > > > > > > > > , " my2pai " <my2pai@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > , " Violet " > > > > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jagbir and All, > > > > > > > > > The wrong separation of the clergy from the laity is a great > > evil in > > > > God's sight and He hates the lust for religious power over > > others. > > > > There is an ungodly spiritual authority in the Church today, > > which > > > > is nothing more than the prideful spirit of control, > > manipulation, > > > > domination and intimidation and a rebellion of the rightful > > > > authority of God. " > > > > > > > > > > http://latter-rain.com/eschae/nicola.htm > > > > > > > > > > It seems to be quite clear from the Scriptures then, that God > > is > > > > not fond of a hierarachy or 'ruling class' of clergy over > > people. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards to all, > > > > > violet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Violet and All, > > > > > > > > Shri Mataji Herself has indicated in no uncertain terms what She > > > > thought of any hierarchy, ruling class or priesthood. In the > > Puja > > > > speech of the 1986 Guru Puja in Austria, She denounced any > > flavor of > > > > priesthood and thundered: " Wherever there is a priesthood, know > > it's > > > > a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia. " (Excerpt below) > > > > > > > > Most of us have seen and experienced or even suffered from the > > de > > > > facto priesthood in Sahaja Yoga: the petty despots and pocket > > > > Napoleons in the form of the centre, country, or so-called world > > > > leaders lording over their satrapies and fiefdoms. Jagbir has > > > > frequently used a very apt metaphor for these little pooh- bahs: > > > > these are just post-men at the local post office tasked with > > > > delivering letters but have made themselves the lords of all > > they > > > > survey. From the same excerpt Shri Mataji has these words for > > > > them: " No Sahaja Yogi guru is going to take any money nor > > anybody is > > > > going to bow to them, nor they are going to take any kind of > > special > > > > attention. " > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > " ...There are so many descriptions of a guru, how a satguru > > should > > > > be. Not in the West, I didn't see that because I think they > > never > > > > believed in gurus but they have lots of gurus, like Pope is > > another > > > > horrible fake guru sitting here. Then we have another one, > > Bishop of > > > > Canterbury sitting there, all of them are false gurus, know > > nothing > > > > about Kundalini, don't know anything Brahma and they just want > > to > > > > denounce Indian ideas not because they are Indian but because if > > > > Sahaja Yoga is established they will lose all their earnings; > > from > > > > where will they get their money and their crowns? So they want > > to > > > > propound that they are the solution, achieving nothing, spoiling > > the > > > > name of Christ, saying all kinds of things against Him stupidly, > > > > without knowing the Divine. Then we have many in the Islam, > > horrible > > > > people, just the opposite of Mohamad Sahib, doing all wrong > > things > > > > in the name of Mohamad Sahib. Something like, one can > > understand, > > > > that a thief has to become an imposter to behave like a king to > > show > > > > that he's not a thief and to have his thieving done. This is how > > > > they are. All of them right from India we have many Brahmins of > > the > > > > same category. This priesthood has to go. Wherever there is a > > > > priesthood, know it's a mafia, is a sophisticated mafia. > > (Applause). > > > > No Sahaja Yogi guru is going to take any money nor anybody is > > going > > > > to bow to them, nor they are going to take any kind of special > > > > attention. " > > > > > > > > (Guru Puja, Gmunden, Austria, 6/7/86) > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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