A Message from Char....

April 28, 2006

Dear All,

i have taken the liberty of reposting this email i received from Char

in Dallas, Texas, which i will answer in my next post:-

Char

violet.tubb

Friday, April 28, 2006 4:14 PM

violet, please rethink

(But one word of warning.....Sahaja Yogis need to take off their

blinkers and blinders, and stand up as true Sahaj Yogies who do not

allow any division like Priest and Laity, because it is against the

Divine Will of God Himself. Separation such as Priest and Laity is

not True Collectivity!)

Hi Violet:

Please reconsider your position with your collective--Sahaja yogis all

need each other, even those who are " lost " need our forgiveness and

love. To be present, to be a witness, to be a source within your

collective is crucial. (Shri Mataji sent a " devout " Catholic man to

be my husband, so I know what I'm talking about...) Division of any

kind is not sahaj.

just hold on to the Truth as Shri Mataji has taught it

(Maybe, i should not worry about that, and just go. Maybe if i went

back, and felt the love, from the non-mafia types, from the ordinary

Sahaja Yogis who could not care one 'whit' about power or authority,

maybe i could overlook that negativity, and just enjoy the vibrations)

Go and be the love that is missing, offer forgiveness to those who

" don't deserve it " because they need it most of all. This is true

forgiveness and isn't this what Jesus came to teach us? Isn't this

the real key to our ascent?

much love,

char

(Dallas, Texas)

April 29, 2006

Dear Char,

You said:-

" Please reconsider your position with your collective--Sahaja yogis

all need each other, even those who are " lost " need our forgiveness

and love. To be present, to be a witness, to be a source within your

collective is crucial. (Shri Mataji sent a " devout " Catholic man to

be my husband, so I know what I'm talking about...) Division of any

kind is not sahaj. "

(Char.... you seem to have a very external understanding of Sahaja Yoga. It is

not all about the 'church' and the 'people' in the physical sense. You have to

go to a higher understanding of Sahaja Yoga to really 'get it'. It is only when

you go within your own temple that you will find the true collectivity. i

appreciate your sentiment to see me in a physical collectively, but i can assure

you that there is no physical barrier to the collective consciousness that i

feel every day in my collectivity. When the physical collectivity is gone from

off the face of the earth, the collectivity within me will still remain. i

wonder if those who are exclusively stuck on to the physical collectivity will

be able to say the same.)

You said:-

" Just hold on to the Truth as Shri Mataji has taught it. "

(i do)

You said:-

" Go and be the love that is missing, offer forgiveness to those who

" don't deserve it " because they need it most of all. This is true

forgiveness and isn't this what Jesus came to teach us? Isn't this

the real key to our ascent? "

('Love' is an easy word to 'bandy around', Char. It is not a sugary

sweet which you give someone. Real Sahaja Love is Dharma-in-Action. It is

standing up for the Truth and for the Light, and being there for others to also

help them to find that Truth and Light within themselves. This goes for

forgiveness too. You can forgive others and yourself, just anytime you like.)

warmest regards,

violet

, " Violet " <violet.tubb@.

...> wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> i have taken the liberty of reposting this email i received from

Char

> in Dallas, Texas, which i will answer in my next post:-

>

> Char

> violet.tubb

> Friday, April 28, 2006 4:14 PM

>

> violet, please rethink

>

> (But one word of warning.....Sahaja Yogis need to take off their

> blinkers and blinders, and stand up as true Sahaj Yogies who do not

> allow any division like Priest and Laity, because it is against the

> Divine Will of God Himself. Separation such as Priest and Laity is

> not True Collectivity!)

>

> Hi Violet:

>

> Please reconsider your position with your collective--Sahaja yogis

all

> need each other, even those who are " lost " need our forgiveness and

> love. To be present, to be a witness, to be a source within your

> collective is crucial. (Shri Mataji sent a " devout " Catholic man to

> be my husband, so I know what I'm talking about...) Division of any

> kind is not sahaj.

>

> just hold on to the Truth as Shri Mataji has taught it

>

> (Maybe, i should not worry about that, and just go. Maybe if i went

> back, and felt the love, from the non-mafia types, from the ordinary

> Sahaja Yogis who could not care one 'whit' about power or authority,

> maybe i could overlook that negativity, and just enjoy the

vibrations)

>

> Go and be the love that is missing, offer forgiveness to those who

> " don't deserve it " because they need it most of all. This is true

> forgiveness and isn't this what Jesus came to teach us? Isn't this

> the real key to our ascent?

>

> much love,

> char

> (Dallas, Texas)

>

April 29, 2006

>

> Hi Violet:

>

> Please reconsider your position with your collective--Sahaja yogis

> all need each other, even those who are " lost " need our

> forgiveness and love. To be present, to be a witness, to be a

> source within your collective is crucial. (Shri Mataji sent

> a " devout " Catholic man to be my husband, so I know what I'm

> talking about...) Division of any kind is not sahaj.

>

Hi Char,

i should be able to add here since i spent around seven years with

the collective, five completely immersed in weekly meditation and

puajas. All expenses for food etc. were borne out of our pockets as

we were so happy to establish the Vision of Shri Mataji.

But my family learnt the hard way of the reality. i can say few SYs

have been abused to the extend my family had to go through. All

those years of weekly gatherings amounted to nothing in the end.

In the end we had to voluntarily leave the collective, perhaps

forever. That made me withdraw my senses to Shri Mataji's external

form and earnestly seek Her within. This forced exile is more than a

blessing. It has shielded us from the pettiness and superficiality

of SY collectives, and opened our hearts, mind and soul to the

global family of humanity. Finally i know that to be present, to be

a witness, to be a source within for human collective is crucial.

Never will we return to the collective caves again.

> just hold on to the Truth as Shri Mataji has taught it

>

You probably underestimate how much we are enduring in order to

" just hold on to the Truth as Shri Mataji has taught it " . Maybe the

Truth that we am talking about has little to do with the sacred cows

of Sahaja Yoga. There can be no compromise to the Truth as Shri

Mataji has taught it. That is why i am telling all SYs to introspect

and think what Shri Mataji, Ganesha or Jesus would have done instead

of following the instructions of Alan Wherry and John Noyce. These

murmuring souls are actively asking SYs not to support those who

want to just hold on to the Truth as Shri Mataji has taught it. They

are ones who should be told that Division of any kind is not sahaj,

all the more since they claim to be presenting the Will of Shri

Mataji or, as in JN's case, aspiring to be a future representative.

>

> Go and be the love that is missing, offer forgiveness to those who

> " don't deserve it " because they need it most of all. This is true

> forgiveness and isn't this what Jesus came to teach us? Isn't

> this the real key to our ascent?

>

i have told Violet to try to go to the collective since not all SYs

are inluenced by the likes of John Noyce.

But after all that has happened i doubt she wants to. And once you

begin to seek Shri Mataji within there is little to seek without.

SYs are under the false impression that the physical Shri Mataji is

the source of all. Little do they comprehend the fact that it is the

Shakti within who is the Reality. Sooner or later they will have to

confront the Truth as time is on our side. The danger is that Violet

will probably regress into petty rituals and shallow knowledge if

she returns to the collectives. The Truth as Shri Mataji has taught

it hardly exists anymore there i.e., Shri Mataji was requested by all the crores

of gods and deities to deliver the Divine Message to

humanity. Offering forgiveness to those who " don't deserve it "

because they need it most of all is not going to make them hold on

to the Truth as Shri Mataji has taught it. That gesture may just

lead to Violet becoming like them i.e., suppressed from speaking the

Truth. Sometimes i think ordinary SYs have no idea as to the extend

they are deceiving themselves .................. and humanity too.

regards,

jagbir

April 29, 2006

Dear Jagbir and All,

i want to thank you, Jagbir, for what you have written.

You said:

" The danger is that Violet will probably regress into petty rituals and shallow

knowledge if she returns to the collective " ....

You are right on that count, Jagbir. I am concerned I will just be forced to

revert back to the `collective miasma' of petty rituals and shallow knowledge,

because it is rife in the collective. What is missing is the depth of the

`knowledge within' that Shri Mataji has tried for years to encourage SY's to

discover. However.... the unrelenting use of these `petty rituals and shallow

knowledge' prove that the `knowledge within' has generally not been reached as

yet.

So.... how can this spiritual depth be achieved, which Shri Mataji has asked,

requested, pleaded, begged, and ASSURED US THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE IT?.... (Here is

my answer, which i hope will help):-

Self-Realization as SY's know it, is only the initial connection. It is like the

toaster being connected to the electricity. It is up to each Sahaja Yogi what

they do with that connection.

All cleansing and clearing processes are aids in helping the electricity

(kundalini) to flow well in our toaster (our bodies). Once the kundalini flows

well, then She is powerful enough to do that clearing and cleansing. Yet,

contrary to Shri Mataji's assertion to this fact, a lot of SY's will say that

the kundalini is not powerful enough to do the job. Maybe, it is not powerful

enough in them. Maybe, they have not as yet really surrendered their ALL to

their Mother, the Kundalini, and that is why Her Power is not at its optimum in

them to do this job. Otherwise, until this stage is reached, Sahaj clearing and

cleansing processes are helpful as long as it does not become an obsessional

ritual, which defeats its purpose.

Through personal experience, I have found that the whole secret to this

`clearing and cleansing process' is actually to strive for a clean and pure

heart, and to surrender that heart to the Holy Spirit. When a person grows in

that surrender to the Divine, everything then takes care of itself in a

beautiful way.

What many SY's yet do not realize, is that the purpose of self-realization and

kundalini awakening within us is to finally achieve what is called the " gnosis "

or the " knowledge within " .

What seems to be happening is that instead of taking the " keys " that Shri Mataji

has given us to unlock the `spiritual knowledge within' (which will then flow in

the form of inspiration and intuition in our 'en-light-ened' collective

consciousness).... that instead.... SY's are mistaking these " keys " for the

" gnosis itself " .

The " keys " are the knowledge and instructions that SM has given us. They are not

the " gnosis itself " , but they are the way to " achieve gnosis " . If you follow Her

knowledge and instructions with a pure desire and a pure heart, like She has

asked, the " gnosis " or " knowledge within " will not only emit as a Cool Breeze,

but it will also emit as inspiration, intuition, intelligence, wisdom and love;

all of which are natural Gifts of the Holy Spirit (a.k.a. Adi Shakti (Hindu),

the Ruh of Allah (Muslim), the Maitreya (Buddhists), the Eykaa Mayee (Sikhs),

the Shekinah (Judaism), and the Great Mother (Taoism).

Gnosis can only be achieved individually from within. It cannot be achieved with

anyone else present. Ask anyone who has achieved it, and they will tell you that

absolute Silence within and without is required; complete immersion and

non-interruption is required. That " gnosis " or " knowledge within " can only be

gotten by the individual themselves, by listening to the knowledge and following

the instructions that Shri Mataji has given.

I too have spent many years in weekly collective meditation and pujas. However,

I have discovered that no amount of collective meditation and pujas alone could

give me the spiritual depth that Shri Mataji wanted me to strive for. In other

words, a person can go to collective meditations and pujas and clearing sessions

until God's Kingdom comes on Earth, but if they don't go further than that, and

enter the " Holy of Holies " within and meet their individual Mother within that

" Holy of Holies " (of whom Shri Mataji on Earth is a reflection), then they are

only fooling themselves. There is no spiritual growth without 'going within'.

You said:

" You probably underestimate how much we are enduring in order to " just hold on

to the Truth as Shri Mataji has taught it " . Maybe the Truth that we are talking

about has little to do with the sacred cows of Sahaja Yoga. There can be no

compromise to the Truth as Shri Mataji has taught it. That is why i am telling

all SYs to introspect and think what Shri Mataji, Ganesha or Jesus would have

done instead of following the instructions of Alan Wherry and John Noyce.... "

It does concern me, Jagbir, that the " sacred cows " of Sahaja Yoga have been 'set

like concrete' by people like Alan Wherry and John Noyce, who among others are

instrumental in the extreme " organization " of Shri Mataji's Truth. Their

influence predisposes SY's to the external organization, rather than to the

" gnosis " . The funny thing is that Alan Wherry and John Noyce actively campaign

against this website which is based on the same " gnosis " that Shri Mataji taught

SY's all these years. When Shri Mataji repeatedly encouraged and admonished SY's

to `go spiritually deeper', She was talking about achieving the individual

" gnosis " or " knowledge within " .

The other funny thing is that John Noyce is adamant that his interpretation of

Shri Mataji's Truth is " The Truth " . This reminds me of the way that the Apostle

Paul also thought that he had " Jesus's Truth " . And yet, Shri Mataji says the

Apostle Paul was a fanatic and created the " Apostle Paul's Version " of Jesus's

Truth. This is what I am afraid is happening on an `en masse' scale in the

Sahaja Yoga Organization, and that the Organism of Sahaja Yoga is going to be

the one that will have to give Shri Mataji's Divine Message to the

world-at-large. (And this Divine Message will be the Full Gnostic Message that

Shri Mataji has given.)

At least then, the Divine Message is not going to be 'over-flavoured' by the

`essences' of the Alan Wherry's and the John Noyce's of this world. Rather....

all Credence in this Divine Message of Shri Mataji will point to Shri Mataji's

" Adi Shakti Within " , who is the Loving Mother Within Us All.

warmest regards,

violet

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> >

> > Hi Violet:

> >

> > Please reconsider your position with your collective--Sahaja yogis

> > all need each other, even those who are " lost " need our

> > forgiveness and love. To be present, to be a witness, to be a

> > source within your collective is crucial. (Shri Mataji sent

> > a " devout " Catholic man to be my husband, so I know what I'm

> > talking about...) Division of any kind is not sahaj.

> >

>

> Hi Char,

>

> i should be able to add here since i spent around seven years with

> the collective, five completely immersed in weekly meditation and

> puajas. All expenses for food etc. were borne out of our pockets as

> we were so happy to establish the Vision of Shri Mataji.

>

> But my family learnt the hard way of the reality. i can say few SYs

> have been abused to the extend my family had to go through. All

> those years of weekly gatherings amounted to nothing in the end.

>

> In the end we had to voluntarily leave the collective, perhaps

> forever. That made me withdraw my senses to Shri Mataji's external

> form and earnestly seek Her within. This forced exile is more than a

> blessing. It has shielded us from the pettiness and superficiality

> of SY collectives, and opened our hearts, mind and soul to the

> global family of humanity. Finally i know that to be present, to be

> a witness, to be a source within for human collective is crucial.

> Never will we return to the collective caves again.

>

> > just hold on to the Truth as Shri Mataji has taught it

> >

>

> You probably underestimate how much we are enduring in order to

> " just hold on to the Truth as Shri Mataji has taught it " . Maybe the

> Truth that we am talking about has little to do with the sacred cows

> of Sahaja Yoga. There can be no compromise to the Truth as Shri

> Mataji has taught it. That is why i am telling all SYs to introspect

> and think what Shri Mataji, Ganesha or Jesus would have done instead

> of following the instructions of Alan Wherry and John Noyce. These

> murmuring souls are actively asking SYs not to support those who

> want to just hold on to the Truth as Shri Mataji has taught it. They

> are ones who should be told that Division of any kind is not sahaj,

> all the more since they claim to be presenting the Will of Shri

> Mataji or, as in JN's case, aspiring to be a future representative.

>

> >

> > Go and be the love that is missing, offer forgiveness to those who

> > " don't deserve it " because they need it most of all. This is true

> > forgiveness and isn't this what Jesus came to teach us? Isn't

> > this the real key to our ascent?

> >

>

> i have told Violet to try to go to the collective since not all SYs

> are inluenced by the likes of John Noyce.

>

> But after all that has happened i doubt she wants to. And once you

> begin to seek Shri Mataji within there is little to seek without.

> SYs are under the false impression that the physical Shri Mataji is

> the source of all. Little do they comprehend the fact that it is the

> Shakti within who is the Reality. Sooner or later they will have to

> confront the Truth as time is on our side. The danger is that Violet

> will probably regress into petty rituals and shallow knowledge if

> she returns to the collectives. The Truth as Shri Mataji has taught

> it hardly exists anymore there i.e., Shri Mataji was requested by

all the crores of gods and deities to deliver the Divine Message to

> humanity. Offering forgiveness to those who " don't deserve it "

> because they need it most of all is not going to make them hold on

> to the Truth as Shri Mataji has taught it. That gesture may just

> lead to Violet becoming like them i.e., suppressed from speaking the

> Truth. Sometimes i think ordinary SYs have no idea as to the extend

> they are deceiving themselves .................. and humanity too.

>

> regards,

>

> jagbir