Guest guest Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 Dear Rose and All, i had a bit of a look at your video URL and it is a shock to see people in such a state. i could not look at it too much, because it is too revolting. That this can pass for any real Baptism of the Holy Spirit is beyond belief! i hope that it serves as a warning to all. What happens in 'pentecostalism' is that the preachers are taking people into the collective subconscious in an 'en masse' way. Shri Mataji says they actually put 'wrong spirits' into them. The collective subconscious is where 'deceased spirits' reside, so this is a dangerous thing, to allow oneself to be 'under their sway'. It is no different to what other false gurus have done. Pentecostals actually follow Apostle Paul's teachings rather than Jesus's teachings. Paul's teachings are called " Pauline Christianity " by religious scholars and academicians. It was the Apostle Paul who said: " i speak in tongues more than you all. " Jesus, however, never 'spoke in tongues'. He never even mentioned that. When the Holy Spirit came on the Disciples of Jesus on the Day of Pentecost, they spoke in other fluent languages so the many listeners could hear Jesus's Great Message in their own language. However, this had nothing to do with the 'gibberish' a.k.a. " glossolalia " which present-day pentecostals, and Apostle Paul even practiced way back when he was alive. Apostle Paul was a pentecostal too. Btw, Apostle Paul was not even a Disciple of Jesus. He was not even alive when Jesus was on Earth! According to Shri Mataji, the Apostle Paul was an imposter who over-rode Jesus's Teachings, and changed them, and made himself more important and to be listened to than Jesus. His Pauline Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus's True Teachings. What Jesus DID SAY is that the Sure Sign of someone having their connection to the Divine, their inflow of the Spirit, is to feel it as a cool breeze, which you can actually feel. Shri Mataji is the 'Christian Comforter' that Jesus promised would come to enable this " Second Birth " . Here is what Jesus said about the cool breeze that you will feel: - " Do not marvel that I said to you, 'you must be born again.' The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit. " (John 3:7-8) Thank you Rose for bringing your information to our attention, and here is a URL for anyone wanting to know how to experience their spiritual connection which can be felt as an actual cool breeze: - http://adishakti.org/self-realization.htm warmest regards, violet , " rose32217 " <rose32217@ ....> wrote: > > > Religious conditioning.. if you folks haven't seen this video, you're > missing a lot (a picture might be worth a thousand words, here...) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdTldR17Zms > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdTldR17Zms> It impressed me enough > that I started checking..google led me to > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/ dangers_of_fundamentalism_i've_been_talki\ > ng_to_jesus_all_my_life_2-15-2005.htm > <http://www.adishakti.org/forum/ dangers_of_fundamentalism_i've_been_talk\ > ing_to_jesus_all_my_life_2-15-2005.htm> and > > > > > /message/3585 > </message/3585> > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/archives.htm > <http://www.adishakti.org/forum/archives.htm> > http://www.adishakti.org/ <http://www.adishakti.org/index.htm> > > > > also...you may want to ck out > http://health.Avian2005/ > <http://health.Avian2005/> > > > > where you would be more than welcome.. > > Join us; and even if you don't, beware the needle, " Mudville Rose " > > , " jagbir singh " > <adishakti_org@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " > > adishakti_org wrote: > > > > > > Dear All. > > > > > > i have received an email from Violet regarding the above post > > > which i believe will help others understand religious conditioning > > > better. i am going to give her email to a friend of mine whose > > > wife, a lovely lady who had earlier accepted all faiths, suddenly > > > became against all non-Christian traditions after she joined a > > > fundamentalist Pentecostical church. Over time i have seen her > > > becoming even more dogmatic in her views about others, even > > > Christian groups like Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witness, > > > Methodists etc. As far as she is concerned only her church has the > > > salvation truth, to the exclusion of all others. > > > > > > Now she has intense dislike for even the Sikh faith of her > > > husband. This is a mixed race/religious marraige that i attended. > > > That is why it troubles me to find her so brainwashed by religious > > > fanatics in rejecting even the traditions of her own husband. > > > > > > This is indeed sad but the same pattern is repeated the world over > > > as thousands of religious sects lay claim to the same 'chosen > > > people' doctrine. It is only when one meets Shri Mataji does this > > > hatred and dislike for other religions, scriptures and prophets > > > end. Her Divine Message to humanity gives us the vision and > > > enlightenment to overcome all past conditionings. We come to know > > > the Truth that sets us free. It is such a blessing to embrace all > > > the messengers of God. > > > > > > Jai Shri Mataji, > > > > > > > > > jagbir > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > i have another great email from Violet who, as a former Christian > > fundamentalist, knows this subject better. Her potrayal of the > > Pentecostal Churches is exactly what my friend's wife is undergoing. > > > > The last time i met her i initially refrained from reacting as it > > was the birthday party of her daughter. But she was not interested > > in the guests as she sat on the sofa watching a Pentecostal Church > > doomsday video with another like-minded fanatic. > > > > For more than an hour i listened silently, together with a few > > guests, to her comments - she is one with Jesus, the Holy Spirit is > > guiding her daily, only in her church is salvation possible, all non- > > Christian religions are false etc. > > > > In the end i had to tell her that if she did not stop going to the > > Pentecostal Church she would become even more fanatical. After some > > exchanges she told me that she is right because " Jesus talks to me " . > > > > That was indeed a frightening statment that made me realize how the > > Pentecostal Churches brainwash their followers into inducing them to > > believe that Jesus talks to them. i mean there is nothing wrong with > > saying the Jesus guides me. But when Christian fundamentalists begin > > believe Jesus and the Holy Spirit talks to them, then that is the > > point of no return. This is because every Sunday when they return to > > their churches the same believe is enforced and induced again and > > again. Thus when Jesus and the Holy Spirit is already talking to > > them what knowledge have mere humans like me to give. > > > > When the party finished the husband stood at the door to see each > > guest off. His wife did not have that presence of mind. She was busy > > watching another fundamentalist Christian channel, oblivious to > > those who had come to celebrate her daughter's birthday. The > > fundamentalism of the Pentecostal Churches had consumed her. > > > > jagbir > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > The Dangers of Fundamentalism > > > > A quote by Sri Mataji on the 19th Sahasrara Day is: - > > > > " How to now turn human beings away from these superficial > > religions, these perverted paths of destruction? How to tell them > > about all these established organizations? For ages they have been > > ruling, making money, making power. " > > > > What SM states is the truth but many people do not realize the snare > > that they are in when they are taken in by Fundamentalism. Sri > > Mataji has also stated that all Fundamentalists are actually missing > > the " fundamentals " . This is also very true. Take for example, > > the very fundamental doctrine of " reincarnation " that was > > removed from Christian teachings at the Council of Nicea. The reason > > this teaching was removed was because it allowed the priests and > > leaders to have more power over the people. Why if a person has > > several lives, a church cannot damn them to eternal hellfire and > > destruction, can they? And then they do not have the same power over > > the person, do they? > > > > A very present concern now is that the Pentecostal Churches > > are " taking in " a lot of people with their so-called > > " Baptism of the Holy Spirit " . I have been there; done that > > when I was in my late teens. I know it feels good and invigorating > > for a while but it is not the real gift of the Holy Spirit. I felt > > drunk with power and danced automatically with all the others. > > Looking back I see it as a mass hysteria in which everyone is in a > > state of mind that whatever the minister says, is accepted as > > " gospel truth " . This mass hypnosis is a very clever > > simulation of what people feel was experienced on the Day of > > Pentecost. It is like a " siddhi " or " power " but it is > > not the real > > thing. > > > > How do I know it is a fake? I received my real Baptism of the Holy > > Spirit in 1993 when my Kundalini energy within, which is the Holy > > Spirit within, rose, and I felt it as a Cool Breeze of the Holy > > Ghost, same as on the Day of Pentecost! And it came from within not > > from some minister putting his hand on my head. Remember, on the Day > > of Pentecost, there was a wind blowing, a Cool Wind. Well, if you > > are not feeling this as " cool " , you can know that it is not > > the real Baptism of the Holy Spirit. > > > > If you are in the snare of Pentecostalism and are aware that > > everything is not quite right, that instead of becoming your own > > guru, master, or teacher, you hang on every word of the minister, > > know that you are on the wrong path! Further, if he tells you that > > this is the only right way and that you are not to question anything > > but just accept it, know that you are on the wrong path! Further, if > > you start to think that all other religions are completely wrong, > > you are on the wrong path! > > > > The fact is that all the incarnations and prophets of every religion > > actually agree with each other in their teachings. Study the > > essential truths of them all and strip away the man-made doctrines > > of the church and Voila! They all agree! Please be your own guru and > > give yourself the opportunity to check this truth out for yourself, > > for your minister will not give you that liberty for fear of losing > > you. > > > > Sri Mataji says the essence of the teachings of all the Incarnations > > and Prophets of the different religions are like the flowers on the > > one tree. However, if you pick one of the flowers and claim it as > > your own, that flower will die because it has left its sources. All > > these " flowers " are from the One Source, God Almighty. > > > > I would like you to know that there is a way out of > > " fundamentalism " of any kind and that you can get the real > > Baptism of the Holy Spirit from Sri Mataji Nirmala Devi and Sahaja > > Yoga. Sri Mataji Nirmala Devi is also initiating the Last Judgment > > and Resurrection that Jesus said would happen. You must take heed > > now for we are living in important times of individual decision as > > to what is the real Truth of all the religions. Sri Mataji also > > gives you absolute freedom to question everything and test > > everything to see if it is true. She does not snare you but gives > > you the absolute freedom; so do try Sahaja Yoga if you are looking > > for the Truth. > > > > > > Violet > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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