Guest guest Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 Dear All, Please visit the following link and know the words from Sir C.P. on behalf of Shri Mataji:- http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_512_2006.asp India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on India Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 , " in2centre <supatni > " <supatni wrote: Another thing, which sustained me was when Sri Mataji warned us not to be attached to Sahaja Yoga which She said " is just one of My forms, but to Me. " A lot of people still don't see that. /post? act=reply & messageNum=23 Dear Jagbir and All, i am quite perplexed that over all of the years where Shri Mataji taught the exact opposite, that we now have Sahaja Yogis who purport to represent Her Will to Sahaja Yogis. i have always tried and tested everything like a scientist, as Shri Mataji has also asked us to do. i know that Her Teachings agree with Jesus's and other Incarnation's and Prophet's teachings. i know beyond the shadow of a doubt, that Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the Incarnation of the Comforter/Holy Spirit of the Christians, the Adi Shakti of the Hindus, the Ruh of Allah of the Muslims, the Maitreya of the Buddhists, the Eykaa Mayee of the Sikhs, the Great Mother of the Taoists, and the Shekinah/Ruach of Jews. In other words, She is a very special personality, and belongs to the whole world, all of humanity, and not just to Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga is just one of Her forms. The only thing that i do not find credible is that after all these years when She warned us: - 1. that we are to be our own gurus, masters, and teachers 2. about the 'blind leaders of the blind' 3. the fact that nobody can organize the Truth, (which means Her Truth, too) 4. that She hoped we would not make a religion out of Her teachings 5. about the ambitions of leaders or any external authority who want to dominate us 6. that we have the free will to surrender or to not surrender our will to the Divine Mother/Holy Spirit Within ......that after all these warnings and admonitions and teachings, that Shri Mataji would then do the opposite, and surrender Her Will to WCASY. Frankly, it won't make a difference to me how many edicts WCASY put out to convince me that they now represent the Will of the Incarnation of the Holy Spirit on Earth. i know that She actually represents Herself within me in my 'temple built without human hands'....as Shri Jesus has taught us. Why WCASY want so much power on Earth, is way beyond my ability to comprehend. Truth is Truth, and it will expose all that is falsehood, WCASY just need to accept that this is so, and surrender to this Truth Within that Shri Mataji has shown. The Outside must reflect what is on the Inside. The Outside always reflects what is on the Inside. The Inner Truth and the Outer Truth must agree. You cannot have Absolute Truth, and then pretend to legislate it to make it Absolute. Either it is Absolute or it is not. Even if Shri Mataji did say " Of course " in Her medicated state, which means that She might not have had full comprehension of what She was agreeing to, Shri Mataji's Words of Advice before She was medicated were to be attached to Her, and not to Sahaja Yoga, and that Sahaja Yoga was only one of Her forms. i have followed these words to their logical conclusion, and this is what i come up with: - 1. WCASY now state that they 're-present' the Will of Shri Mataji. 2. WCASY are Sahaja Yoga (the organizers of SY) 3. Shri Mataji has said that we are not to be attached to Sahaja Yoga, but to be attached to Her. 4. That means that we are not to be attached to WCASY, because WCASY are Sahaja Yoga (the organizers of). What bothers me, though, is that WCASY seem to have made themselves not just administrators of the monies, properties, and a communication link for smooth communications, but that they seem to have made themselves into a Defacto Shri Mataji. Practically speaking, this would mean that SY's now are expected to look up to WCASY the way they used to look up to Shri Mataji. However, another thing that Shri Mataji has taught, (funnily enough) is that all the organizers of the Truth of each Incarnation have 'mucked things up', such as 'watering down' the Incarnations' Message, editing it, and so forth.....oh, yes, and they always dominated the devotees of the Incarnation, too. Here is a horoscope of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, which I have gleaned from the Australian SY Newsletter – 12 March 1998. They cite that this horoscope was also published in Nirmala Yoga – Jan-Feb '81. Could it be possible that this astrologer's prediction could refer to WCASY? " The T-square formations between Moon-Mars, Venus, Jupiter and Neptune, indicate that some of the plans of Mataji might be hindered by obstructive activities of evil and negative forces. Also Mataji might have to steer through conflicting loyalties and aims, of some of her so-called followers who are enemies in disguise. But despite all this, she will find her way to the goal of her life, viz., universal Self-Realization! " …. violet , anshul bansal <anshil_da wrote: > > Dear All, > > Please visit the following link and know the words from Sir C. P. on behalf of Shri Mataji:- > > http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_512_2006.asp > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on India Click here > , anshul bansal <anshil_da wrote: > > Dear All, > > Please visit the following link and know the words from Sir C. P. on behalf of Shri Mataji:- > > http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_512_2006.asp > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on India Click here > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Dear Violet and All Believers of the Last Judgment and Resurrection, First i must thank Violet for time and again bringing out vital information that is so necessary to sustain Shri Mataji's legacy and Divine Message. It is no easy task being frank and upfront about what Shri Mataji taught us against the background of WCASY's power struggles to presently establish, and in future enforce, their Will for all times on the unchosen ones. i am shocked at the gullibility of SYs who think the Adi Shakti has actually transferred Her Will to a group of people. i am flabbergasted because Anshul Bansal - who as a Hindu should know far better about the Shakti - actually wants us to read the so-called 'historic video affirming the role of The World Council Of Sahaja Yoga'. It is as if we are as ignorant as SYs are enlightened to understand that Shri Mataji had Her Will transferred in a delicate operation involving highly skilled SY brain surgeons. What many failed to notice is that the entire surgery hardly took one minute (and should be good reason for all SYs to re-celebrate their historic medical success in transferring wills in a world record time. It is a record that will stand for all times). So let's read what Anshul Bansal and mprgrandmaster wants us to know: " Historic video affirming the role of The World Council Of Sahaja Yoga Sunday, June 18, 2006 In July, 2005, there was a historic announcement regarding the role The World Council Of Sahaja Yoga in the presence Shri Mataji. Please below to view the video of this historic announcement. Historic Video Affirming the WCASY This video-clip shares a special moment in the history of Sahaja Yoga, Shri Mataji's gift to mankind, confirming Her desire to establish responsibility for the international coordination of Her great work through Her recently created World Council for the Advancement of Sahaja Yoga. (Taken during a music program in Her New Jersey home on Saturday, July 23rd, 2005. The video is followed by two photos taken Friday, September 16, 2005 of Shri Mataji signing the authorizations for the World Council to now protect and preserve all of Her talks in all electronic and published formats.) Sir CP: " One thing I want to mention - World Council - is that She (Shri Mataji) desires for me to convey to you that the World Council is the highest authority in Sahaja Yoga, representing Her will. And this will be, the World Council, will be the final deciding authority in Sahaja Yoga collectives. There should be no doubt about that. That is Her will, and on behalf of Her, the World Council will be acting. Is that clear to everyone? That is Her will and She asked me to convey this, and I am conveying it to you. " Shri Mataji: " Of course. " Sir CP: " The final authority is the World Council. Everything else emanates from the World Council. Whatever decision is to be taken, the World Council takes, because that is Her will. The Council represents Her will. Alright? So there should be no confusion in future. That has been decided. Thereafter, what happens where is a matter for the World Council to decide. We have now to move forward, carry forward the message and act on that basis. " (end) So there it is in black and white. No room for error, dissent or argument. It is as infallible as papal decrees. But wait a minute. No one seems to question why a 83-year-old sedated and Risperidone-medicated Shri Mataji is unable to say the same, even just mention " I am tranferring my Will to the World Council. " In the first place, can any neurosurgeon put his or her reputation on the line and confirm that Shri Mataji understood what Sir CP was talking about? i even seriuosly suspect if an aging Shri Mataji, who is now hard of hearing, did actually hear anything spoken in the firat place. Have SYs become so brainwashed or afraid to voice their protest at the 'atrocities' committed against the Divine Mother? Did Shri Mataji in all Her decades of normal life ever mention She will transfer Her Will? Is this their way of saying thanks to an obviously old and incapacitated human being who cannot fend or fight the encroaching powers who are putting words in Her mouth? Why cannot they rise to defend Her when She needs them most? i am truly shocked! It is as if a rape is witnessed collectively, but none able to respond. What has happened to the conscience of SYs? What is the nature of the evil negativity that has overcome the collectives and threatens to consume the future? Why have so many succumbed and allowed Her Will to be usurped right before their eyes and under their noses? Let me tell you a true incident that happened in the 1980's so that all of us may understand the hidden meaning of the word " Of course " . In the early 1980's a new Olympic-size swimming pool was built in Subang Jaya, Malaysia. i used to walk my children there for an occasional swim as it was just a mile or so away. At the back of my house i had a 20 something, illiterate trucker friend (Besawa Singh's second son) who never swam, less entered a swimming pool. One day he decided to go with my practical joker friend Sukhvinder (Malkit Singh's youngest brother) for a swim. After changing into swimming trunks both were walking along the diving-side of the pool. This trucker friend saw people diving and then swimming underwater, and was both amazed and elated by human potential. He asked Sukhvinder in excitement: " Can you breathe underwater? " Sukhvinder, used to his dumb nature, replied: " Of course. " The trucker immediately jumped into the deep end and, after breathing water, started drowning. Sukhvinder, shocked by human stupidity, had to jump in and save his friend from drowning. He never expected that poor chap, notwithstanding his dim-wittedness, to actually believe so because any mature person knows that it is impossible to breathe underwater (or transfer human wills). That is why he said " Of course. " Maybe SYs will understand better now. Perhaps they won't. But it does not matter to me. As an outsider i will never be subject to the Will of WCASY ........ only SYs following their SYSSR are. So that brings us back again to the question: " Did Shri Mataji had Her Will transferred in a delicate operation involving highly skilled World Council brain surgeons? " OF COURSE! jagbir , " Violet " <violet.tubb wrote: > > , " in2centre <supatni@ > > " <supatni@> wrote: > > Another thing, which sustained me was when Sri Mataji warned us > not to be attached to Sahaja Yoga which She said " is just one of > My forms, but to Me. " A lot of people still don't see that. > > /post? > act=reply & messageNum=23 > > > Dear Jagbir and All, > > i am quite perplexed that over all of the years where Shri Mataji > taught the exact opposite, that we now have Sahaja Yogis who > purport to represent Her Will to Sahaja Yogis. > > i have always tried and tested everything like a scientist, as Shri Mataji has also asked us to do. i know that Her Teachings agree with Jesus's and other Incarnation's and Prophet's teachings. i know beyond the shadow of a doubt, that Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the Incarnation of the Comforter/Holy Spirit of the Christians, the Adi Shakti of the Hindus, the Ruh of Allah of the Muslims, the Maitreya of the Buddhists, the Eykaa Mayee of the Sikhs, the Great Mother of the Taoists, and the Shekinah/Ruach of Jews. > > In other words, She is a very special personality, and belongs to the whole world, all of humanity, and not just to Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga is just one of Her forms. > > The only thing that i do not find credible is that after all these years when She warned us: - > > 1. that we are to be our own gurus, masters, and teachers > 2. about the 'blind leaders of the blind' > 3. the fact that nobody can organize the Truth, (which means Her Truth, too) > 4. that She hoped we would not make a religion out of Her teachings > 5. about the ambitions of leaders or any external authority who want to dominate us > 6. that we have the free will to surrender or to not surrender our will to the Divine Mother/Holy Spirit Within > > .....that after all these warnings and admonitions and teachings, that Shri Mataji would then do the opposite, and surrender Her Will to WCASY. > > Frankly, it won't make a difference to me how many edicts WCASY put out to convince me that they now represent the Will of the Incarnation of the Holy Spirit on Earth. i know that She actually represents Herself within me in my 'temple built without human hands'....as Shri Jesus has taught us. > > Why WCASY want so much power on Earth, is way beyond my ability to comprehend. Truth is Truth, and it will expose all that is falsehood, WCASY just need to accept that this is so, and surrender to this Truth Within that Shri Mataji has shown. The Outside must reflect what is on the Inside. The Outside always reflects what is on the Inside. The Inner Truth and the Outer Truth must agree. You cannot have Absolute Truth, and then pretend to legislate it to make it Absolute. Either it is Absolute or it is not. > > Even if Shri Mataji did say " Of course " in Her medicated state, which means that She might not have had full comprehension of what She was agreeing to, Shri Mataji's Words of Advice before She was medicated were to be attached to Her, and not to Sahaja Yoga, and that Sahaja Yoga was only one of Her forms. > > i have followed these words to their logical conclusion, and this is what i come up with: - > > 1. WCASY now state that they 're-present' the Will of Shri Mataji. > > 2. WCASY are Sahaja Yoga (the organizers of SY) > > 3. Shri Mataji has said that we are not to be attached to Sahaja Yoga, but to be attached to Her. > > 4. That means that we are not to be attached to WCASY, because WCASY are Sahaja Yoga (the organizers of). > > What bothers me, though, is that WCASY seem to have made themselves not just administrators of the monies, properties, and a communication link for smooth communications, but that they seem to have made themselves into a Defacto Shri Mataji. > > Practically speaking, this would mean that SY's now are expected to look up to WCASY the way they used to look up to Shri Mataji. However, another thing that Shri Mataji has taught, (funnily enough) is that all the organizers of the Truth of each Incarnation have 'mucked things up', such as 'watering down' the Incarnations' Message, editing it, and so forth.....oh, yes, and they always dominated the devotees of the Incarnation, too. > > Here is a horoscope of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, which I have gleaned from the Australian SY Newsletter – 12 March 1998. They cite that this horoscope was also published in Nirmala Yoga – Jan- Feb '81. Could it be possible that this astrologer's prediction could refer to WCASY? > > " The T-square formations between Moon-Mars, Venus, Jupiter and Neptune, indicate that some of the plans of Mataji might be hindered by obstructive activities of evil and negative forces. Also Mataji might have to steer through conflicting loyalties and aims, of some of her so-called followers who are enemies in disguise. But despite all this, she will find her way to the goal of her life, viz., universal Self-Realization! " …. > > violet > > > , anshul bansal > <anshil_da@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Please visit the following link and know the words from Sir C. > P. on behalf of Shri Mataji:- > > > > http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_512_2006.asp > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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