Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Dear Sohniya and everybody, I can empathize with you concerning your problems with the leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common problem indeed in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the internal obstacles they have to overcome and then they have more headaches in the form of the local Sahaj mafia hoods. More often than not, even the wives and children of the leaders can get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India Tour, some Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged about eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do you know that my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently senior SYs were checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-my-father-is gambit of this pesky kid. Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the leaders even from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a Puja speech where She speaks about the problem: " If we appoint somebody as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's really the leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him because he starts losing everything that is leadership. But the worst is, their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and sometimes the children also think that way and I won't be surprised even if their dogs and pets behave that way. " Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have become the leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj leaders have really and deservedly gone to the dogs. Chandra " ...God is egoless because He does everything, so He's egoless, or we can say He is the Ego, if that means doing something. But human beings have ego because they don't do anything and think they're doing something; you know this very well. So then you start assuming that you do something, you get identified with such myths very easily. Only human beings can be identified with myths, not God. But after realization you can see your ego clearly; it acts in various ways. If we appoint somebody as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's really the leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him because he starts losing everything that is leadership. But the worst is, their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and sometimes the children also think that way and I won't be surprised even if their dogs and pets behave that way. It can be any stupid thing. So with this kind of an ego, a Sahaja Yogi can see, you see, himself, how he behaves. I watch them and it provides a lot of humor for Me; they push forward everywhere, they'll sit in the forward line, they'll push forward, they'll be there first to come in the front line, sort of thing is there. But if you're a sincere person, if you have the sincerity then you'll enjoy that sincerity wherever you are standing, wherever you are sitting. So the ego can try to deceive you very much, all the time, so you have to be careful about this ego because he can sit on your head and can monitor you. I have seen people going down very rapidly with this idea that they're something special. So sincerity, though it is the quality of the left side, can be dominated by the right side, this way. " (Puja Address in Dourdan, France, 18/5/86) , " indiblonde " <indiblonde wrote: > > JSM, > > Dear Uncle Jagbirji and all, > > It saddens me greatly to read what has been done by WCASY in terms of hijacking Shri Mataji's will and then going against Her wishes for not being hospitalized. The feelings Uncleji has expressed are the same as mine really. I feel really hurt about this. > > > > They do not treat the sahaja yogi's with respect. The way they function is an insult to the average sy's intelligence. But that they would go as far as to even go against Shri Mataji's wishes, is appalling to say the least. > > > > I recall the past months that I was visiting the sy center here in dubai. The amount of lies spoken aloud in the name of Shri Mataji by the " leader " suresh narayan is disgusting. He speaks things like " C.P. called me last evening..and we had a conversation " like he and Sir CP are the best of bossom buddies since childhood. > > > > Then he says things like.. " last evening I called Shri Mataji on the phone and I told her blah blah " YEAH RIGHT! She is just waiting beside the phone for his call. > > > > I wonder if this is done with the permission/knowledge of WCASY or encouraged by them,to make the rest of new seekers fall into the trap of thinking that leaders are something special. I see the 90% crowd in the hall just listening to him with a sarcastic look,while his 9% cronies clap with all gusto, and 1% new comers just look wondering whats going on. > > > > Besides since suresh narayan is making a hundred million calls every day to Shri Mataji and speaking to her for hours and hours iam sure he has enough funds for paying the exorbitant phone bills. So iam sure he does not need any more money to be contributed for the sy center,I'll stop for now since he has excess of money and I urge others to do the same. I'll start contributing once he either admits that he does Not all those hours talking to Shri Mataji as he claims, or show us the phone bills as proof that he does indeed and let us know how those calls were accounted for. > > > > What iam reminded here is reading a while back about some sy > center's in other countries struggling for money, and devising > dishonest methods to gain monetary contributions. Is it not strange? The SY centers…Shri Mataji's …..without lakshmi tattwa? Or is it > an indication that something is going wrong in the centers which is why they are loosing their lakshmi tattwa? > > > > Its amazing how those center's are struggling to stay afloat..struggling to find new comers, and this forum without trying any > funny tactics finds it way to new seekers? > > > > I know all that will happen after this post is some crony will inform > suresh narayan and he will just stare and stare at me from his high throne at the center…and his wife lalitha will start looking back from her shoulder every 5 seconds at me with devastating looks. So much for both of them meditating at the center. I remember with my last post..i went to the center..i was in deep meditation..only to open my eyes..and find suresh narayan standing afar right ahead… looking like he wanted to 'kill me.' > > > > > But my main point here is…after speaking all those lies about Shri > Mataji, which I suspect is part of WCASY propaganda, this is the really awful where they send sms's saying she is healthy as she was 20 years ago. > > > > Not that most sy's put their thinking caps on. I can imagine most > just jumping in their seats reading the sms's, without bothering to > question. They are the one's whose main hobby is to contact the > members who post on this forum, and try to convince them to quit and > boycott this forum. One tried that with me, so when I discussed with > him the " issues " he was left with no reply for the wrong doings > going on in Shri Mataji's name by WCASY and sy leaders. > > > > When pressed for a reply, all he could say was..he would just go with the direction in which the majority was going. When I asked him, even if they were going in the wrong direction..he said " yes " . Oh well…what > can I say then? Carry on. What my heart asks is…when will they wake > up from their blindness? When its too late? Or will they never realize? Or still not admit even if they realize? > > > > I end this note with Uncle Jagbirji's words: > > > > " " " " i feel so hapless, as if i am witnessing a rape > > > and can do nothing much except plead with the perpetrators to stop. > > > But they are so intoxicated with drunken pleasure and righteous > > > power that they are not even aware they are committing a most > > > henious crime. Has any council member resigned so far in protest? > > > How many SYs have voiced their utter disgust at their collectives? > > > How can they allow all this to be done to Her, their deafening > > > silence obviously confirming their indirect participation? > > > > > > i am truly ashamed that so many of Her devotees are happily going > > > about their daily lives as if nothing has happenned. That is why i > > > do not want to be ever called a Sahaja Yogi. i want to have nothing > > > to do with them or their organization. It does not matter anymore, > > > even if the vast majority of SYs want to have nothing to do with me, > > > the forum or websites. My conscience is clear and i sleep in peace > > > every night knowing in my heart, mind and soul that i am standing on > > > Her Truth ......... and, more importantly, defending it at all > > > times. The further i drift away from WCASY and the SY organization > > > the better i feel. > > > > > > Thank you Shri Mataji for freeing me years ago. At that time i was > > > wondering why it was taking place, even though there was no WCASY or > > > Will-hijackers. Today i know better. i wish the same blessings to all. > > > > > > jagbir " " " " > > > > Yes, Uncleji' you said it all. > > > > Jai Shri Mataji, > > Sohniya > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 , " my2pai " <my2pai wrote: " If we appoint somebody as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's really the leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him because he starts losing everything that is leadership. But the worst is, their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and sometimes the children also think that way and I won't be surprised even if their dogs and pets behave that way. It can be any stupid thing. " (Excerpt - Puja Address, Dourdan France - 18 May, 1986) Dear Chandra and All, i would like those that tout the 'obey-the-leader-because-Shri-Mataji-said-so' refrain, please read the above quote again. It is very clear that in these Words of Shri Mataji, She is making much fun of 'such' leaders, and their wives, and even their dogs and pets who also possibly behave the same way....(i always loved Shri Mataji's sense of humour). The thing is......nobody minds following a leader who is a spiritual master of themselves, which also means that they give fellow human beings the same spiritual liberty to be their own spiritual masters, also! That is in fact, the hallmark of a true spiritual leader. All others, are not true spiritual leaders, and are not to be taken notice of at all, just as Shri Mataji indicated in Her Puja Address in Dourdan, France, as long ago as 1986. Shri Mataji was the best example of such a leader, who encouraged all Her Children to become their own spiritual masters. It was natural that She wanted that for all of us, so that we could enjoy our Spirit. On the other hand, She discouraged such 'funny' leaders as we have in WCASY-et-al now. She made 'great fun' out of them, time and again. Therefore, as Jagbir says: - Let it be Aham Brahmasi!.......(i am afraid, Aham WCASY! just does not 'cut it' for me.......Sorry guys!) violet , " my2pai " <my2pai wrote: > > Dear Sohniya and everybody, > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with the > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common problem indeed > in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the internal obstacles > they have to overcome and then they have more headaches in the form > of the local Sahaj mafia hoods. > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the leaders can > get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India Tour, some > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged about > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do you know that > my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently senior SYs were > checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-my-father-is gambit > of this pesky kid. > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the leaders even > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a Puja speech > where She speaks about the problem: " If we appoint somebody as a > leader, the leader may start thinking that he's really the leader. > And then it becomes really a problem for him because he starts > losing everything that is leadership. But the worst is, their wives > start thinking they're the leaders; and sometimes the children also > think that way and I won't be surprised even if their dogs and pets > behave that way. " > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have become the > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj leaders have > really and deservedly gone to the dogs. > > Chandra > > > " ...God is egoless because He does everything, so He's egoless, or > we can say He is the Ego, if that means doing something. But human > beings have ego because they don't do anything and think they're > doing something; you know this very well. So then you start assuming > that you do something, you get identified with such myths very > easily. Only human beings can be identified with myths, not God. But > after realization you can see your ego clearly; it acts in various > ways. If we appoint somebody as a leader, the leader may start > thinking that he's really the leader. And then it becomes really a > problem for him because he starts losing everything that is > leadership. But the worst is, their wives start thinking they're the > leaders; and sometimes the children also think that way and I won't > be surprised even if their dogs and pets behave that way. It can be > any stupid thing. So with this kind of an ego, a Sahaja Yogi can > see, you see, himself, how he behaves. I watch them and it provides > a lot of humor for Me; they push forward everywhere, they'll sit in > the forward line, they'll push forward, they'll be there first to > come in the front line, sort of thing is there. But if you're a > sincere person, if you have the sincerity then you'll enjoy that > sincerity wherever you are standing, wherever you are sitting. So > the ego can try to deceive you very much, all the time, so you have > to be careful about this ego because he can sit on your head and can > monitor you. I have seen people going down very rapidly with this > idea that they're something special. So sincerity, though it is the > quality of the left side, can be dominated by the right side, this > way. " > > (Puja Address in Dourdan, France, 18/5/86) > > > > > , " indiblonde " > <indiblonde@> wrote: > > > > JSM, > > > > Dear Uncle Jagbirji and all, > > > > It saddens me greatly to read what has been done by WCASY in terms > of hijacking Shri Mataji's will and then going against Her wishes > for not being hospitalized. The feelings Uncleji has expressed are > the same as mine really. I feel really hurt about this. > > > > > > > > They do not treat the sahaja yogi's with respect. The way they > function is an insult to the average sy's intelligence. But that > they would go as far as to even go against Shri Mataji's wishes, is > appalling to say the least. > > > > > > > > I recall the past months that I was visiting the sy center here in > dubai. The amount of lies spoken aloud in the name of Shri Mataji by > the " leader " suresh narayan is disgusting. He speaks things > like " C.P. called me last evening..and we had a conversation " like > he and Sir CP are the best of bossom buddies since childhood. > > > > > > > > Then he says things like.. " last evening I called Shri Mataji on > the phone and I told her blah blah " YEAH RIGHT! She is just waiting > beside the phone for his call. > > > > > > > > I wonder if this is done with the permission/knowledge of WCASY or > encouraged by them,to make the rest of new seekers fall into the > trap of thinking that leaders are something special. I see the 90% > crowd in the hall just listening to him with a sarcastic look,while > his 9% cronies clap with all gusto, and 1% new comers just look > wondering whats going on. > > > > > > > > Besides since suresh narayan is making a hundred million calls > every day to Shri Mataji and speaking to her for hours and hours iam > sure he has enough funds for paying the exorbitant phone bills. So > iam sure he does not need any more money to be contributed for the > sy center,I'll stop for now since he has excess of money and I urge > others to do the same. I'll start contributing once he either admits > that he does Not all those hours talking to Shri Mataji as he > claims, or show us the phone bills as proof that he does indeed and > let us know how those calls were accounted for. > > > > > > > > What iam reminded here is reading a while back about some sy > > center's in other countries struggling for money, and devising > > dishonest methods to gain monetary contributions. Is it not > strange? The SY centers…Shri Mataji's …..without lakshmi tattwa? Or > is it > > an indication that something is going wrong in the centers which > is why they are loosing their lakshmi tattwa? > > > > > > > > Its amazing how those center's are struggling to stay > afloat..struggling to find new comers, and this forum without trying > any > > funny tactics finds it way to new seekers? > > > > > > > > I know all that will happen after this post is some crony will > inform > > suresh narayan and he will just stare and stare at me from his > high throne at the center…and his wife lalitha will start looking > back from her shoulder every 5 seconds at me with devastating looks. > So much for both of them meditating at the center. I remember with > my last post..i went to the center..i was in deep meditation..only > to open my eyes..and find suresh narayan standing afar right ahead… > looking like he wanted to 'kill me.' > > > > > > > > > > But my main point here is…after speaking all those lies about Shri > > Mataji, which I suspect is part of WCASY propaganda, this is the > really awful where they send sms's saying she is healthy as she was > 20 years ago. > > > > > > > > Not that most sy's put their thinking caps on. I can imagine most > > just jumping in their seats reading the sms's, without bothering to > > question. They are the one's whose main hobby is to contact the > > members who post on this forum, and try to convince them to quit > and > > boycott this forum. One tried that with me, so when I discussed > with > > him the " issues " he was left with no reply for the wrong doings > > going on in Shri Mataji's name by WCASY and sy leaders. > > > > > > > > When pressed for a reply, all he could say was..he would just go > with the direction in which the majority was going. When I asked > him, even if they were going in the wrong direction..he said " yes " . > Oh well…what > > can I say then? Carry on. What my heart asks is…when will they > wake > > up from their blindness? When its too late? Or will they never > realize? Or still not admit even if they realize? > > > > > > > > I end this note with Uncle Jagbirji's words: > > > > > > > > " " " " i feel so hapless, as if i am witnessing a rape > > > > > and can do nothing much except plead with the perpetrators to > stop. > > > > > But they are so intoxicated with drunken pleasure and righteous > > > > > power that they are not even aware they are committing a most > > > > > henious crime. Has any council member resigned so far in protest? > > > > > How many SYs have voiced their utter disgust at their > collectives? > > > > > How can they allow all this to be done to Her, their deafening > > > > > silence obviously confirming their indirect participation? > > > > > > > > > > i am truly ashamed that so many of Her devotees are happily going > > > > > about their daily lives as if nothing has happenned. That is why > i > > > > > do not want to be ever called a Sahaja Yogi. i want to have > nothing > > > > > to do with them or their organization. It does not matter > anymore, > > > > > even if the vast majority of SYs want to have nothing to do with > me, > > > > > the forum or websites. My conscience is clear and i sleep in > peace > > > > > every night knowing in my heart, mind and soul that i am > standing on > > > > > Her Truth ......... and, more importantly, defending it at all > > > > > times. The further i drift away from WCASY and the SY > organization > > > > > the better i feel. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Shri Mataji for freeing me years ago. At that time i > was > > > > > wondering why it was taking place, even though there was no > WCASY or > > > > > Will-hijackers. Today i know better. i wish the same blessings > to all. > > > > > > > > > > jagbir " " " " > > > > > > > > Yes, Uncleji' you said it all. > > > > > > > > Jai Shri Mataji, > > > > Sohniya > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Jai Shree Matajee to everyone, Dear Sohniya, Just want to make any doubts clear, if you are anyway thinking me as a disguised sy mafia, then you are mistaken.I am simply a new seeker, not more than that. Thanks to shri Jagbir jee who gave me such a good direction of try to be your own master rather than wasting time in frustration and judging who is actually a leader, why he/ she behaving such etc etc. Last month, the first time I visited AdiShakti Puja and I was lucky enough to get a souvenir from Shree Matajee which has these beautiful words : 'if anything can disturb your joy then you are not progressing' -maa Nirmala These words explains that our aim should be higher.You are already in senior stage of sy.So I think no need to explain it further . Jai Shree Matajee Pallawi indiblonde <indiblonde wrote: Dear Chandra and everyone,I would not be surprised, if the sy mafia hood tried to respond under disguise of a new seeker innocently asking "are we not supposed to follow the leaders?" ofcourse..i'd give benefit of the doubt..but i guess..there is always a possibility?What never fails to surprise me is when someone had enough access to knowledge of how we are "supposed" to follow the corrupt leaders like blind sheep but has NO knowledge that 1- Firstly we cant quote SM out of context. in this case about respecting and following the leaders.2- Secondly how about the other part where SM has spoken about how the leaders should behave and stuff they should NOT do? How about the speeches in which she has said that no leader should do this n' that? i need to search a bit and find the speeach. and when i do..i shall post it here, else if someone alreday has it...pls. be kind nuff to post it.As for me, honestly i just feel like laughing when i see suresh and lalitha narayan staring at me. this is what i call "punishing themselves". at the end of the day, they are the corrupt ones, hating a nice & honest sy like me, instead of meditating they keep putting their attention on sy's like me and some others who question their behaviour, and think we are gonna take offence at their staring. But its just them TRYING to offend us? WHO CARES ABOUT THEM STARING? THEY CAN DO IT ALL NIGHT LONG. WHO EVER CARES?But the biggest punishment is to themselves when they lie about their relations with Shri Mataji. They announce that SM worked on their chakra's personally, so they are highly vibrated like it were a first class cleaning service they got, and the rest of us get third class cleansing on our subtle system since only the kundalini shakti purifies us..not SM in person. GEEZ! They just say anything to "show-off" their proximity with SM. But in all this, more than trying to fool the people, they harm themselves. Lying in the name of Shri Mataji, that too repeatedly, has to have its consequences? sooner or later?As for all those who think just following the majority will get them "ahead" faster should remember "those who are first shall be last...and those who are last shall be first".i just do my meditation, speak the truth, keep my heart clean. thats all. rest what suresh and lalitha narayan do is punishing themselves.Jai Shri Mataji,Sohniya , "my2pai" <my2pai wrote:>> Dear Sohniya and everybody,> > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with the > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common problem indeed > in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the internal obstacles > they have to overcome and then they have more headaches in the form > of the local Sahaj mafia hoods. > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the leaders can > get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India Tour, some > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged about > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a "Do you know that > my father is YM?" Truth to tell, even apparently senior SYs were > checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-my-father-is gambit > of this pesky kid.> > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the leaders even > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a Puja speech > where She speaks about the problem: "If we appoint somebody as a > leader, the leader may start thinking that he's really the leader. > And then it becomes really a problem for him because he starts > losing everything that is leadership. But the worst is, their wives > start thinking they're the leaders; and sometimes the children also > think that way and I won't be surprised even if their dogs and pets > behave that way."> > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have become the > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj leaders have > really and deservedly gone to the dogs.> > Chandra> > > "...God is egoless because He does everything, so He's egoless, or > we can say He is the Ego, if that means doing something. But human > beings have ego because they don't do anything and think they're > doing something; you know this very well. So then you start assuming > that you do something, you get identified with such myths very > easily. Only human beings can be identified with myths, not God. But > after realization you can see your ego clearly; it acts in various > ways. If we appoint somebody as a leader, the leader may start > thinking that he's really the leader. And then it becomes really a > problem for him because he starts losing everything that is > leadership. But the worst is, their wives start thinking they're the > leaders; and sometimes the children also think that way and I won't > be surprised even if their dogs and pets behave that way. It can be > any stupid thing. So with this kind of an ego, a Sahaja Yogi can > see, you see, himself, how he behaves. I watch them and it provides > a lot of humor for Me; they push forward everywhere, they'll sit in > the forward line, they'll push forward, they'll be there first to > come in the front line, sort of thing is there. But if you're a > sincere person, if you have the sincerity then you'll enjoy that > sincerity wherever you are standing, wherever you are sitting. So > the ego can try to deceive you very much, all the time, so you have > to be careful about this ego because he can sit on your head and can > monitor you. I have seen people going down very rapidly with this > idea that they're something special. So sincerity, though it is the > quality of the left side, can be dominated by the right side, this > way."> > (Puja Address in Dourdan, France, 18/5/86)> > > > > , "indiblonde" > <indiblonde@> wrote:> >> > JSM,> > > > Dear Uncle Jagbirji and all,> > > > It saddens me greatly to read what has been done by WCASY in terms > of hijacking Shri Mataji's will and then going against Her wishes > for not being hospitalized. The feelings Uncleji has expressed are > the same as mine really. I feel really hurt about this.> > > > > > > > They do not treat the sahaja yogi's with respect. The way they > function is an insult to the average sy's intelligence. But that > they would go as far as to even go against Shri Mataji's wishes, is > appalling to say the least.> > > > > > > > I recall the past months that I was visiting the sy center here in > dubai. The amount of lies spoken aloud in the name of Shri Mataji by > the "leader" suresh narayan is disgusting. He speaks things > like "C.P. called me last evening..and we had a conversation" like > he and Sir CP are the best of bossom buddies since childhood.> > > > > > > > Then he says things like.."last evening I called Shri Mataji on > the phone and I told her blah blah" YEAH RIGHT! She is just waiting > beside the phone for his call.> > > > > > > > I wonder if this is done with the permission/knowledge of WCASY or > encouraged by them,to make the rest of new seekers fall into the > trap of thinking that leaders are something special. I see the 90% > crowd in the hall just listening to him with a sarcastic look,while > his 9% cronies clap with all gusto, and 1% new comers just look > wondering whats going on.> > > > > > > > Besides since suresh narayan is making a hundred million calls > every day to Shri Mataji and speaking to her for hours and hours iam > sure he has enough funds for paying the exorbitant phone bills. So > iam sure he does not need any more money to be contributed for the > sy center,I'll stop for now since he has excess of money and I urge > others to do the same. I'll start contributing once he either admits > that he does Not all those hours talking to Shri Mataji as he > claims, or show us the phone bills as proof that he does indeed and > let us know how those calls were accounted for.> > > > > > > > What iam reminded here is reading a while back about some sy> > center's in other countries struggling for money, and devising> > dishonest methods to gain monetary contributions. Is it not > strange? The SY centers…Shri Mataji's …..without lakshmi tattwa? Or > is it> > an indication that something is going wrong in the centers which > is why they are loosing their lakshmi tattwa?> > > > > > > > Its amazing how those center's are struggling to stay > afloat..struggling to find new comers, and this forum without trying > any> > funny tactics finds it way to new seekers?> > > > > > > > I know all that will happen after this post is some crony will > inform> > suresh narayan and he will just stare and stare at me from his > high throne at the center…and his wife lalitha will start looking > back from her shoulder every 5 seconds at me with devastating looks. > So much for both of them meditating at the center. I remember with > my last post..i went to the center..i was in deep meditation..only > to open my eyes..and find suresh narayan standing afar right ahead…> looking like he wanted to 'kill me.'> > > > > > > > > > But my main point here is…after speaking all those lies about Shri> > Mataji, which I suspect is part of WCASY propaganda, this is the > really awful where they send sms's saying she is healthy as she was > 20 years ago.> > > > > > > > Not that most sy's put their thinking caps on. I can imagine most> > just jumping in their seats reading the sms's, without bothering to> > question. They are the one's whose main hobby is to contact the> > members who post on this forum, and try to convince them to quit > and> > boycott this forum. One tried that with me, so when I discussed > with> > him the "issues" he was left with no reply for the wrong doings> > going on in Shri Mataji's name by WCASY and sy leaders.> > > > > > > > When pressed for a reply, all he could say was..he would just go > with the direction in which the majority was going. When I asked > him, even if they were going in the wrong direction..he said "yes". > Oh well…what> > can I say then? Carry on. What my heart asks is…when will they > wake> > up from their blindness? When its too late? Or will they never > realize? Or still not admit even if they realize?> > > > > > > > I end this note with Uncle Jagbirji's words:> > > > > > > > """"i feel so hapless, as if i am witnessing a rape> > > > > and can do nothing much except plead with the perpetrators to > stop.> > > > > But they are so intoxicated with drunken pleasure and righteous> > > > > power that they are not even aware they are committing a most> > > > > henious crime. Has any council member resigned so far in protest?> > > > > How many SYs have voiced their utter disgust at their > collectives?> > > > > How can they allow all this to be done to Her, their deafening> > > > > silence obviously confirming their indirect participation?> > > > >> > > > > i am truly ashamed that so many of Her devotees are happily going> > > > > about their daily lives as if nothing has happenned. That is why > i> > > > > do not want to be ever called a Sahaja Yogi. i want to have > nothing> > > > > to do with them or their organization. It does not matter > anymore,> > > > > even if the vast majority of SYs want to have nothing to do with > me,> > > > > the forum or websites. My conscience is clear and i sleep in > peace> > > > > every night knowing in my heart, mind and soul that i am > standing on> > > > > Her Truth ......... and, more importantly, defending it at all> > > > > times. The further i drift away from WCASY and the SY > organization> > > > > the better i feel.> > > > >> > > > > Thank you Shri Mataji for freeing me years ago. At that time i > was> > > > > wondering why it was taking place, even though there was no > WCASY or> > > > > Will-hijackers. Today i know better. i wish the same blessings > to all.> > > > >> > > > > jagbir""""> > > > > > > > Yes, Uncleji' you said it all.> > > > > > > > Jai Shri Mataji,> > > > Sohniya> >> Try the all-new Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Dear All, You mentioned "bratty kids" and I was reminded of a thought I've had for some time. Have you ever noticed that the SYs with the brattiest kids always say that one needs to be careful in punishing realized children? Every single parent of such children I have heard say this. It makes me laugh. Your sister in love, Suzyindiblonde <indiblonde wrote: Dear Violet, Chandra, Pallawi and everyone,Whilst on the subject of leadership and leaders, one thing that crossed my mind was apart from the "follow the leader" mentality, another fallacy was that ALL the leaders are selected by Shri Mataji. – hence they "represent" her.Ofcourse that's not true, for one, I heard that the dubai center had another leader and suresh narayan did some corrupt methods to wrest leadership off the poor guy who was the leader there before. Many have openly told him they do not recognize or respect his "leadership". As for pesky kids like Chandra said who are little balloons of ego proclaiming their daddy is the sy leader, the same attitude is visible in suresh narayan's kids, his son behaving like he is the prince in waiting to his dad's throne. Like he is just tooo good for the air around him that he breathes. Ofcourse like I said, the biggest punishment is to themselves for raising bratty kids.The most comical incident was when they made a home video. As usual suresh narayan lied and said that he showed that little home movie to Shri Mataji and she liked it very very much and said that EVERY Sahaja Yogi in the WHOLE world should have a copy of that video. Now for those curious..lemme tell you what the blockbuster movie was all about.The video was titled "Ma purnima ka chand" (Mother is the full moon)The whole video had suresh, his family and cronies playing roles.Suresh was the village leader, his son was the sy protégé, etc. the story was simple, group of sy's singing bhajans in an area…the village pandit (priest) does not like it, there is a discussion between the highly progressed sy leader and the local priest on which day of the month it was, with the priest claiming its no moon day and the sy saying every night is a full moon night because SM is the full moon. Thats it. I still don't know if suresh was speaking the truth and wanting all the people to buy the video tape priced at approx 8$, but then if what he said was really true then WCASY would have plugged his lill' home video. The funny thing was after he announced his grammy award winning movie and showed it to us in a special screening at the center, nobody got up to buy the tape. But it really angered me when he refused to release/distribute/promote or even just INFORM the center people of the supremso movie. Not even a screening. I even gave him a CD with the movie asking if he wanted to distribute the movie I would contribute and record the CD's for free. He instead announced later on that he "forgives some sy's" who don't know they are breaking the rules. I guess he didn't want to distribute the CD because he did not star in it, iam sure if his face was shown there even for a second, the whole of dubai would have that movie by his efforts alone.I wonder if the WCASY even knows or has any way of knowing whats going on in the sy centers right under their noses. Every time there is a visitor, some "famous" sy..for example some dude who worked/works at UN and is a sy, who was "very close" to SM or is on some high position of authority or leadership in WCASY , or even just a visiting sy center leader from a neighboring country, the hall is miraculously filled up with so many new faces I have never seen before, I wonder where did they all come from suddenly? Then by the next week the visitor is gone and the hall is again more than half empty as usual for the rest of the whole year unless there is another visitor…and the hall suddenly has so many new faces, I suspect they bring along these people to "visibly" show just how strong the attendance is at the center, when infact it is not. Many have boycotted the center in silent protest asking for him to step down.Anyways, guess I could go on and on about what goes on in the center, but, from what I have seen and learnt, is that, I could have kept quiet and gone along with the "flow", thinking its not my problem if they are doing/saying anything that's not true or (the usual excuse I hear even from highly mature/old sy's) that "iam just a tiny cog in the giant machinery and I cannot make a difference". But somehow I cant see all the wrongdoings and keep quiet. Few nights ago when I was meditating…I looked at Shri Mataji's photo and remembered all the lies, wrongdoings in her name…it has happened before, and as usual I just surrender it to her. But when I remembered the will hijacking, hospitalization, I just started crying…I don't know why..but I just kept crying like something in my heart was hurting big time. I asked her…...aah well..i guess I wont write it here…anyways,,I've said nuff.Jai Shri Mataji,Sohniya , pallawi <pallawip wrote:>> Jai Shree Matajee to everyone,> > Dear Sohniya,> Just want to make any doubts clear, if you are anyway thinking me as a disguised sy mafia, then you are mistaken.I am simply a new seeker, not more than that.> > Thanks to shri Jagbir jee who gave me such a good direction of try to be your own master rather than wasting time in frustration and judging who is actually a leader, why he/ she behaving such etc etc.> > Last month, the first time I visited AdiShakti Puja and I was lucky enough to get a souvenir from Shree Matajee which has these beautiful words :> > 'if anything can disturb your joy then you are not progressing' -maa Nirmala> > These words explains that our aim should be higher.You are already in senior stage of sy.So I think no need to explain it further .> > Jai Shree Matajee> Pallawi> > > indiblonde <indiblonde wrote:> Dear Chandra and everyone,> > I would not be surprised, if the sy mafia hood tried to respond > under disguise of a new seeker innocently asking "are we not > supposed to follow the leaders?" ofcourse..i'd give benefit of the > doubt..but i guess..there is always a possibility?> > What never fails to surprise me is when someone had enough access to > knowledge of how we are "supposed" to follow the corrupt leaders > like blind sheep but has NO knowledge that > > 1- Firstly we cant quote SM out of context. in this case about > respecting and following the leaders.> > 2- Secondly how about the other part where SM has spoken about how > the leaders should behave and stuff they should NOT do? How about > the speeches in which she has said that no leader should do this n' > that? i need to search a bit and find the speeach. and when i do..i > shall post it here, else if someone alreday has it...pls. be kind > nuff to post it.> > As for me, honestly i just feel like laughing when i see suresh and > lalitha narayan staring at me. this is what i call "punishing > themselves". at the end of the day, they are the corrupt ones, > hating a nice & honest sy like me, instead of meditating they keep > putting their attention on sy's like me and some others who question > their behaviour, and think we are gonna take offence at their > staring. But its just them TRYING to offend us? WHO CARES ABOUT THEM > STARING? THEY CAN DO IT ALL NIGHT LONG. WHO EVER CARES?> > But the biggest punishment is to themselves when they lie about > their relations with Shri Mataji. They announce that SM worked on > their chakra's personally, so they are highly vibrated like it were > a first class cleaning service they got, and the rest of us get > third class cleansing on our subtle system since only the kundalini > shakti purifies us..not SM in person. GEEZ! They just say anything > to "show-off" their proximity with SM. But in all this, more than > trying to fool the people, they harm themselves. Lying in the name > of Shri Mataji, that too repeatedly, has to have its consequences? > sooner or later?> > As for all those who think just following the majority will get > them "ahead" faster should remember "those who are first shall be > last...and those who are last shall be first".> > i just do my meditation, speak the truth, keep my heart clean. thats > all. rest what suresh and lalitha narayan do is punishing > themselves.> > Jai Shri Mataji,> Sohniya> > , "my2pai" <my2pai@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Sohniya and everybody,> > > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with the > > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common problem > indeed > > in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the internal obstacles > > they have to overcome and then they have more headaches in the > form > > of the local Sahaj mafia hoods. > > > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the leaders > can > > get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India Tour, some > > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged about > > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a "Do you know > that > > my father is YM?" Truth to tell, even apparently senior SYs were > > checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-my-father-is > gambit > > of this pesky kid.> > > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the leaders even > > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a Puja > speech > > where She speaks about the problem: "If we appoint somebody as a > > leader, the leader may start thinking that he's really the leader. > > And then it becomes really a problem for him because he starts > > losing everything that is leadership. But the worst is, their > wives > > start thinking they're the leaders; and sometimes the children > also > > think that way and I won't be surprised even if their dogs and > pets > > behave that way."> > > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have become the > > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj leaders have > > really and deservedly gone to the dogs.> > > > Chandra> > > > > > "...God is egoless because He does everything, so He's egoless, or > > we can say He is the Ego, if that means doing something. But human > > beings have ego because they don't do anything and think they're > > doing something; you know this very well. So then you start > assuming > > that you do something, you get identified with such myths very > > easily. Only human beings can be identified with myths, not God. > But > > after realization you can see your ego clearly; it acts in various > > ways. If we appoint somebody as a leader, the leader may start > > thinking that he's really the leader. And then it becomes really a > > problem for him because he starts losing everything that is > > leadership. But the worst is, their wives start thinking they're > the > > leaders; and sometimes the children also think that way and I > won't > > be surprised even if their dogs and pets behave that way. It can > be > > any stupid thing. So with this kind of an ego, a Sahaja Yogi can > > see, you see, himself, how he behaves. I watch them and it > provides > > a lot of humor for Me; they push forward everywhere, they'll sit > in > > the forward line, they'll push forward, they'll be there first to > > come in the front line, sort of thing is there. But if you're a > > sincere person, if you have the sincerity then you'll enjoy that > > sincerity wherever you are standing, wherever you are sitting. So > > the ego can try to deceive you very much, all the time, so you > have > > to be careful about this ego because he can sit on your head and > can > > monitor you. I have seen people going down very rapidly with this > > idea that they're something special. So sincerity, though it is > the > > quality of the left side, can be dominated by the right side, this > > way."> > > > (Puja Address in Dourdan, France, 18/5/86)> > > > > > > > > > , "indiblonde" > > <indiblonde@> wrote:> > >> > > JSM,> > > > > > Dear Uncle Jagbirji and all,> > > > > > It saddens me greatly to read what has been done by WCASY in > terms > > of hijacking Shri Mataji's will and then going against Her wishes > > for not being hospitalized. The feelings Uncleji has expressed > are > > the same as mine really. I feel really hurt about this.> > > > > > > > > > > > They do not treat the sahaja yogi's with respect. The way they > > function is an insult to the average sy's intelligence. But that > > they would go as far as to even go against Shri Mataji's wishes, > is > > appalling to say the least.> > > > > > > > > > > > I recall the past months that I was visiting the sy center here > in > > dubai. The amount of lies spoken aloud in the name of Shri Mataji > by > > the "leader" suresh narayan is disgusting. He speaks things > > like "C.P. called me last evening..and we had a conversation" like > > he and Sir CP are the best of bossom buddies since childhood.> > > > > > > > > > > > Then he says things like.."last evening I called Shri Mataji on > > the phone and I told her blah blah" YEAH RIGHT! She is just > waiting > > beside the phone for his call.> > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if this is done with the permission/knowledge of WCASY > or > > encouraged by them,to make the rest of new seekers fall into the > > trap of thinking that leaders are something special. I see the 90% > > crowd in the hall just listening to him with a sarcastic > look,while > > his 9% cronies clap with all gusto, and 1% new comers just look > > wondering whats going on.> > > > > > > > > > > > Besides since suresh narayan is making a hundred million calls > > every day to Shri Mataji and speaking to her for hours and hours > iam > > sure he has enough funds for paying the exorbitant phone bills. So > > iam sure he does not need any more money to be contributed for the > > sy center,I'll stop for now since he has excess of money and I > urge > > others to do the same. I'll start contributing once he either > admits > > that he does Not all those hours talking to Shri Mataji as he > > claims, or show us the phone bills as proof that he does indeed > and > > let us know how those calls were accounted for.> > > > > > > > > > > > What iam reminded here is reading a while back about some sy> > > center's in other countries struggling for money, and devising> > > dishonest methods to gain monetary contributions. Is it not > > strange? The SY centers…Shri Mataji's …..without lakshmi tattwa? > Or > > is it> > > an indication that something is going wrong in the centers which > > is why they are loosing their lakshmi tattwa?> > > > > > > > > > > > Its amazing how those center's are struggling to stay > > afloat..struggling to find new comers, and this forum without > trying > > any> > > funny tactics finds it way to new seekers?> > > > > > > > > > > > I know all that will happen after this post is some crony will > > inform> > > suresh narayan and he will just stare and stare at me from his > > high throne at the center…and his wife lalitha will start looking > > back from her shoulder every 5 seconds at me with devastating > looks. > > So much for both of them meditating at the center. I remember > with > > my last post..i went to the center..i was in deep meditation..only > > to open my eyes..and find suresh narayan standing afar right ahead…> > looking like he wanted to 'kill me.'> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But my main point here is…after speaking all those lies about > Shri> > > Mataji, which I suspect is part of WCASY propaganda, this is the > > really awful where they send sms's saying she is healthy as she > was > > 20 years ago.> > > > > > > > > > > > Not that most sy's put their thinking caps on. I can imagine > most> > > just jumping in their seats reading the sms's, without bothering > to> > > question. They are the one's whose main hobby is to contact the> > > members who post on this forum, and try to convince them to quit > > and> > > boycott this forum. One tried that with me, so when I discussed > > with> > > him the "issues" he was left with no reply for the wrong doings> > > going on in Shri Mataji's name by WCASY and sy leaders.> > > > > > > > > > > > When pressed for a reply, all he could say was..he would just go > > with the direction in which the majority was going. When I asked > > him, even if they were going in the wrong direction..he > said "yes". > > Oh well…what> > > can I say then? Carry on. What my heart asks is…when will they > > wake> > > up from their blindness? When its too late? Or will they never > > realize? Or still not admit even if they realize?> > > > > > > > > > > > I end this note with Uncle Jagbirji's words:> > > > > > > > > > > > """"i feel so hapless, as if i am witnessing a rape> > > > > > > and can do nothing much except plead with the perpetrators to > > stop.> > > > > > > But they are so intoxicated with drunken pleasure and righteous> > > > > > > power that they are not even aware they are committing a most> > > > > > > henious crime. Has any council member resigned so far in > protest?> > > > > > > How many SYs have voiced their utter disgust at their > > collectives?> > > > > > > How can they allow all this to be done to Her, their deafening> > > > > > > silence obviously confirming their indirect participation?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i am truly ashamed that so many of Her devotees are happily > going> > > > > > > about their daily lives as if nothing has happenned. That is > why > > i> > > > > > > do not want to be ever called a Sahaja Yogi. i want to have > > nothing> > > > > > > to do with them or their organization. It does not matter > > anymore,> > > > > > > even if the vast majority of SYs want to have nothing to do > with > > me,> > > > > > > the forum or websites. My conscience is clear and i sleep in > > peace> > > > > > > every night knowing in my heart, mind and soul that i am > > standing on> > > > > > > Her Truth ......... and, more importantly, defending it at all> > > > > > > times. The further i drift away from WCASY and the SY > > organization> > > > > > > the better i feel.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thank you Shri Mataji for freeing me years ago. At that time i > > was> > > > > > > wondering why it was taking place, even though there was no > > WCASY or> > > > > > > Will-hijackers. Today i know better. i wish the same blessings > > to all.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > jagbir""""> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Uncleji' you said it all.> > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Shri Mataji,> > > > > > Sohniya> > >> >> > > > > > > > Try the all-new Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Dear Suzy and All, i just want to say that i am glad there is this forum where we can speak openly without some SY Mafia Types blocking our posts, as i have personally experienced with regards to their forums, where open and honest expression is not allowed, but is heavily censored. i now believe the reason for this heavy censorship is because some elite SY's now have reputations that need to be 'positively managed and maintained' so that they can remain to be seen as 'the elite'. i believe another reason for the heavy censorship is that now that Shri Mataji's Truths have been made into a religion (against Her Wishes)...that the Mafia Types find it in their best interests to also manage the reputation of their 'organized religion' that they have made out of Shri Mataji's spiritual teachings. We have not tried to 'manage' our reputations on this forum. i am sure our 'warts and all' are open for all to see, and even laugh about too. After all, human beings are funny creatures...really! (Say, if hypothetically, someone came from another planet and tried to understand human beings, they would most probably be very confused, because so often human beings say one thing; yet do the exact opposite.) On this forum, we do not have any 'managed organized religion' to worry about either. We just want simple lives, where we can imbibe and follow Shri Mataji's teachings, and help other folks who desire to do likewise, by finding out Her Truth for themselves, by testing it 'like a scientist'. To do anything else, is 'complication, itself'. Obviously, that is why Shri Mataji said to follow Her and not to follow Sahaja Yoga, because to follow Sahaja Yoga now, is most complicated, since it has been made into a religion. This forum gives us the advantage of learning information that helps to dispel the confusion about WHAT Sahaja Yoga really is. Leaders have tried to organize what Sahaja Yoga is, when Shri Mataji clearly stated that you cannot organize Her Truth. (Administrative duties can be organized though; that is different. However, Shri Mataji called 'organizers' the 'posters' of letters, and the 'lickers' of stamps.... just to very clearly clarify their role. i never ever heard Her say that mere administrators would be the inheritors of Her Will, though.) Let me just say that i just love Shri Mataji's 'wicked' and 'delightful' sense of humour, which when emulated by Sahaja Yogis, is considered by the 'staid ones' as quite 'sacreligious'. However, who cares what the 'staid ones' think. The thing is.... the Truth is never boring. It is never " too serious " . It " just is " . Anything that is 'not Truth' becomes quite laughable. i think it is quite laughable when somebody (even if it is in the disguise/guise of a religion... tries to 'manage, dictate, or dominate' someone. i am very surprised at WCASY leaders for following into this spiritual temptation, yet once again. i guess they ARE the perennial ones that have always tried to usurp the will of others.....incarnation after incarnation. Now that i have got that off my chest, i want to talk about what you said, Suzy. i find your remarks interesting, when you say that you have noticed that the SY's with the 'brattiest kids' also seem to be the same SY's who say that one has to be careful with regard to 'punishing', (that is, 'disciplining') their realized children. Could it be that the parents themselves perhaps lack discipline too, and therefore find this a 'very convenient' excuse to cover the embarrassment of not being able to discipline their children adequately. That of course, makes the excuse kind of comical indeed. But, tragedy can also be involved, like when there are extenuating circumstances, such as the lack of a father, or 'suffering' adults who are having problems with coping. That is where others can help. We can be 'aunties' and 'uncles' to other's children in a very natural loving way, not only in a Sahaj Collective but in society as well. There are many spiritual needs that need to be filled, where we can all 'shine our lights'. Children do indeed need the special attention and love of us all. So.... lets not allow any religious organizers to take away the basic joys of our human relationships. Lets be flexible enough to have a bit of give-and-take and allow ourselves to laugh and cry and have joy in each other's fellowship without all the tactics of 'managing, dictating, or dominating' others, which just spoils everything. Lets 'be real' in other words, because only a very real human message is going to allow others to understand Shri Mataji's teachings, whereby they also can become enlightened and see their spiritual way forward. And this is a warning to those who persist in continuing with religious tactics of domination and control over the will of others, because if even Shri Mataji's Will can be taken over, what chance is there for others to avoid this same plight: - " Be assured that we will continue to " report " all the facts so that everyone will not only be aware of you, but also 'beware'. (Then... just maybe, one day you will all realize just how `fruitless' the domination of other's wills, really is.) violet , Suzy Creamcheese <suzyogi wrote: > > Dear All, > > You mentioned " bratty kids " and I was reminded of a thought I've had for some time. Have you ever noticed that the SYs with the brattiest kids always say that one needs to be careful in punishing realized children? Every single parent of such children I have heard say this. It makes me laugh. > > Your sister in love, > Suzy > > indiblonde <indiblonde wrote: > Dear Violet, Chandra, Pallawi and everyone, > > Whilst on the subject of leadership and leaders, one thing that > crossed my mind was apart from the " follow the leader " mentality, > another fallacy was that ALL the leaders are selected by Shri > Mataji. – hence they " represent " her. > > Ofcourse that's not true, for one, I heard that the dubai center had > another leader and suresh narayan did some corrupt methods to wrest > leadership off the poor guy who was the leader there before. Many > have openly told him they do not recognize or respect > his " leadership " . As for pesky kids like Chandra said who are > little balloons of ego proclaiming their daddy is the sy leader, the > same attitude is visible in suresh narayan's kids, his son behaving > like he is the prince in waiting to his dad's throne. Like he is > just tooo good for the air around him that he breathes. Ofcourse > like I said, the biggest punishment is to themselves for raising > bratty kids. > > The most comical incident was when they made a home video. As usual > suresh narayan lied and said that he showed that little home movie > to Shri Mataji and she liked it very very much and said that EVERY > Sahaja Yogi in the WHOLE world should have a copy of that video. > Now for those curious..lemme tell you what the blockbuster movie was > all about. > > The video was titled " Ma purnima ka chand " (Mother is the full moon) > > The whole video had suresh, his family and cronies playing roles. > > Suresh was the village leader, his son was the sy protégé, etc. > the story was simple, group of sy's singing bhajans in an area…the > village pandit (priest) does not like it, there is a discussion > between the highly progressed sy leader and the local priest on > which day of the month it was, with the priest claiming its no moon > day and the sy saying every night is a full moon night because SM is > the full moon. > > Thats it. > > I still don't know if suresh was speaking the truth and wanting all > the people to buy the video tape priced at approx 8$, but then if > what he said was really true then WCASY would have plugged his lill' > home video. > > The funny thing was after he announced his grammy award winning > movie and showed it to us in a special screening at the center, > nobody got up to buy the tape. > > But it really angered me when he refused to > release/distribute/promote or even just INFORM the center people of > the supremso movie. Not even a screening. I even gave him a CD > with the movie asking if he wanted to distribute the movie I would > contribute and record the CD's for free. He instead announced later > on that he " forgives some sy's " who don't know they are breaking the > rules. I guess he didn't want to distribute the CD because he did > not star in it, iam sure if his face was shown there even for a > second, the whole of dubai would have that movie by his efforts > alone. > > I wonder if the WCASY even knows or has any way of knowing whats > going on in the sy centers right under their noses. > > Every time there is a visitor, some " famous " sy..for example some > dude who worked/works at UN and is a sy, who was " very close " to SM > or is on some high position of authority or leadership in WCASY , or > even just a visiting sy center leader from a neighboring country, > the hall is miraculously filled up with so many new faces I have > never seen before, I wonder where did they all come from suddenly? > Then by the next week the visitor is gone and the hall is again more > than half empty as usual for the rest of the whole year unless there > is another visitor…and the hall suddenly has so many new faces, I > suspect they bring along these people to " visibly " show just how > strong the attendance is at the center, when infact it is not. Many > have boycotted the center in silent protest asking for him to step > down. > > Anyways, guess I could go on and on about what goes on in the > center, but, from what I have seen and learnt, is that, I could have > kept quiet and gone along with the " flow " , thinking its not my > problem if they are doing/saying anything that's not true or (the > usual excuse I hear even from highly mature/old sy's) that " iam just > a tiny cog in the giant machinery and I cannot make a difference " . > > But somehow I cant see all the wrongdoings and keep quiet. Few > nights ago when I was meditating…I looked at Shri Mataji's photo and > remembered all the lies, wrongdoings in her name…it has happened > before, and as usual I just surrender it to her. But when I > remembered the will hijacking, hospitalization, I just started > crying…I don't know why..but I just kept crying like something in my > heart was hurting big time. I asked her…... > aah well..i guess I wont write it here…anyways,,I've said nuff. > > Jai Shri Mataji, > Sohniya > > , pallawi <pallawip@> > wrote: > > > > Jai Shree Matajee to everyone, > > > > Dear Sohniya, > > Just want to make any doubts clear, if you > are anyway thinking me as a disguised sy mafia, then you are > mistaken.I am simply a new seeker, not more than that. > > > > Thanks to shri Jagbir jee who gave me such a good direction of > try to be your own master rather than wasting time in frustration > and judging who is actually a leader, why he/ she behaving such etc > etc. > > > > Last month, the first time I visited AdiShakti Puja and I was > lucky enough to get a souvenir from Shree Matajee which has these > beautiful words : > > > > 'if anything can disturb your joy then you are not progressing' - > maa Nirmala > > > > These words explains that our aim should be higher.You are > already in senior stage of sy.So I think no need to explain it > further . > > > > Jai Shree Matajee > > Pallawi > > > > > > indiblonde <indiblonde@> wrote: > > Dear Chandra and everyone, > > > > I would not be surprised, if the sy mafia hood tried to respond > > under disguise of a new seeker innocently asking " are we not > > supposed to follow the leaders? " ofcourse..i'd give benefit of the > > doubt..but i guess..there is always a possibility? > > > > What never fails to surprise me is when someone had enough access > to > > knowledge of how we are " supposed " to follow the corrupt leaders > > like blind sheep but has NO knowledge that > > > > 1- Firstly we cant quote SM out of context. in this case about > > respecting and following the leaders. > > > > 2- Secondly how about the other part where SM has spoken about how > > the leaders should behave and stuff they should NOT do? How about > > the speeches in which she has said that no leader should do this > n' > > that? i need to search a bit and find the speeach. and when i > do..i > > shall post it here, else if someone alreday has it...pls. be kind > > nuff to post it. > > > > As for me, honestly i just feel like laughing when i see suresh > and > > lalitha narayan staring at me. this is what i call " punishing > > themselves " . at the end of the day, they are the corrupt ones, > > hating a nice & honest sy like me, instead of meditating they keep > > putting their attention on sy's like me and some others who > question > > their behaviour, and think we are gonna take offence at their > > staring. But its just them TRYING to offend us? WHO CARES ABOUT > THEM > > STARING? THEY CAN DO IT ALL NIGHT LONG. WHO EVER CARES? > > > > But the biggest punishment is to themselves when they lie about > > their relations with Shri Mataji. They announce that SM worked on > > their chakra's personally, so they are highly vibrated like it > were > > a first class cleaning service they got, and the rest of us get > > third class cleansing on our subtle system since only the > kundalini > > shakti purifies us..not SM in person. GEEZ! They just say anything > > to " show-off " their proximity with SM. But in all this, more than > > trying to fool the people, they harm themselves. Lying in the name > > of Shri Mataji, that too repeatedly, has to have its consequences? > > sooner or later? > > > > As for all those who think just following the majority will get > > them " ahead " faster should remember " those who are first shall be > > last...and those who are last shall be first " . > > > > i just do my meditation, speak the truth, keep my heart clean. > thats > > all. rest what suresh and lalitha narayan do is punishing > > themselves. > > > > Jai Shri Mataji, > > Sohniya > > > > , " my2pai " <my2pai@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sohniya and everybody, > > > > > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with the > > > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common problem > > indeed > > > in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the internal obstacles > > > they have to overcome and then they have more headaches in the > > form > > > of the local Sahaj mafia hoods. > > > > > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the leaders > > can > > > get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India Tour, some > > > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged about > > > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do you know > > that > > > my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently senior SYs were > > > checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-my-father-is > > gambit > > > of this pesky kid. > > > > > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the leaders > even > > > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a Puja > > speech > > > where She speaks about the problem: " If we appoint somebody as a > > > leader, the leader may start thinking that he's really the > leader. > > > And then it becomes really a problem for him because he starts > > > losing everything that is leadership. But the worst is, their > > wives > > > start thinking they're the leaders; and sometimes the children > > also > > > think that way and I won't be surprised even if their dogs and > > pets > > > behave that way. " > > > > > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have become the > > > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj leaders > have > > > really and deservedly gone to the dogs. > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > " ...God is egoless because He does everything, so He's egoless, > or > > > we can say He is the Ego, if that means doing something. But > human > > > beings have ego because they don't do anything and think they're > > > doing something; you know this very well. So then you start > > assuming > > > that you do something, you get identified with such myths very > > > easily. Only human beings can be identified with myths, not God. > > But > > > after realization you can see your ego clearly; it acts in > various > > > ways. If we appoint somebody as a leader, the leader may start > > > thinking that he's really the leader. And then it becomes really > a > > > problem for him because he starts losing everything that is > > > leadership. But the worst is, their wives start thinking they're > > the > > > leaders; and sometimes the children also think that way and I > > won't > > > be surprised even if their dogs and pets behave that way. It can > > be > > > any stupid thing. So with this kind of an ego, a Sahaja Yogi can > > > see, you see, himself, how he behaves. I watch them and it > > provides > > > a lot of humor for Me; they push forward everywhere, they'll sit > > in > > > the forward line, they'll push forward, they'll be there first > to > > > come in the front line, sort of thing is there. But if you're a > > > sincere person, if you have the sincerity then you'll enjoy that > > > sincerity wherever you are standing, wherever you are sitting. > So > > > the ego can try to deceive you very much, all the time, so you > > have > > > to be careful about this ego because he can sit on your head and > > can > > > monitor you. I have seen people going down very rapidly with > this > > > idea that they're something special. So sincerity, though it is > > the > > > quality of the left side, can be dominated by the right side, > this > > > way. " > > > > > > (Puja Address in Dourdan, France, 18/5/86) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " indiblonde " > > > <indiblonde@> wrote: > > > > > > > > JSM, > > > > > > > > Dear Uncle Jagbirji and all, > > > > > > > > It saddens me greatly to read what has been done by WCASY in > > terms > > > of hijacking Shri Mataji's will and then going against Her > wishes > > > for not being hospitalized. The feelings Uncleji has expressed > > are > > > the same as mine really. I feel really hurt about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They do not treat the sahaja yogi's with respect. The way they > > > function is an insult to the average sy's intelligence. But that > > > they would go as far as to even go against Shri Mataji's wishes, > > is > > > appalling to say the least. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recall the past months that I was visiting the sy center > here > > in > > > dubai. The amount of lies spoken aloud in the name of Shri > Mataji > > by > > > the " leader " suresh narayan is disgusting. He speaks things > > > like " C.P. called me last evening..and we had a conversation " > like > > > he and Sir CP are the best of bossom buddies since childhood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then he says things like.. " last evening I called Shri Mataji > on > > > the phone and I told her blah blah " YEAH RIGHT! She is just > > waiting > > > beside the phone for his call. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if this is done with the permission/knowledge of > WCASY > > or > > > encouraged by them,to make the rest of new seekers fall into the > > > trap of thinking that leaders are something special. I see the > 90% > > > crowd in the hall just listening to him with a sarcastic > > look,while > > > his 9% cronies clap with all gusto, and 1% new comers just look > > > wondering whats going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides since suresh narayan is making a hundred million calls > > > every day to Shri Mataji and speaking to her for hours and hours > > iam > > > sure he has enough funds for paying the exorbitant phone bills. > So > > > iam sure he does not need any more money to be contributed for > the > > > sy center,I'll stop for now since he has excess of money and I > > urge > > > others to do the same. I'll start contributing once he either > > admits > > > that he does Not all those hours talking to Shri Mataji as he > > > claims, or show us the phone bills as proof that he does indeed > > and > > > let us know how those calls were accounted for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What iam reminded here is reading a while back about some sy > > > > center's in other countries struggling for money, and devising > > > > dishonest methods to gain monetary contributions. Is it not > > > strange? The SY centers…Shri Mataji's …..without lakshmi tattwa? > > Or > > > is it > > > > an indication that something is going wrong in the centers > which > > > is why they are loosing their lakshmi tattwa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its amazing how those center's are struggling to stay > > > afloat..struggling to find new comers, and this forum without > > trying > > > any > > > > funny tactics finds it way to new seekers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know all that will happen after this post is some crony will > > > inform > > > > suresh narayan and he will just stare and stare at me from his > > > high throne at the center…and his wife lalitha will start > looking > > > back from her shoulder every 5 seconds at me with devastating > > looks. > > > So much for both of them meditating at the center. I remember > > with > > > my last post..i went to the center..i was in deep > meditation..only > > > to open my eyes..and find suresh narayan standing afar right > ahead… > > > looking like he wanted to 'kill me.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But my main point here is…after speaking all those lies about > > Shri > > > > Mataji, which I suspect is part of WCASY propaganda, this is > the > > > really awful where they send sms's saying she is healthy as she > > was > > > 20 years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that most sy's put their thinking caps on. I can imagine > > most > > > > just jumping in their seats reading the sms's, without > bothering > > to > > > > question. They are the one's whose main hobby is to contact the > > > > members who post on this forum, and try to convince them to > quit > > > and > > > > boycott this forum. One tried that with me, so when I > discussed > > > with > > > > him the " issues " he was left with no reply for the wrong doings > > > > going on in Shri Mataji's name by WCASY and sy leaders. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When pressed for a reply, all he could say was..he would just > go > > > with the direction in which the majority was going. When I asked > > > him, even if they were going in the wrong direction..he > > said " yes " . > > > Oh well…what > > > > can I say then? Carry on. What my heart asks is…when will they > > > wake > > > > up from their blindness? When its too late? Or will they never > > > realize? Or still not admit even if they realize? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I end this note with Uncle Jagbirji's words: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " " " " i feel so hapless, as if i am witnessing a rape > > > > > > > > > and can do nothing much except plead with the perpetrators > to > > > stop. > > > > > > > > > But they are so intoxicated with drunken pleasure and > righteous > > > > > > > > > power that they are not even aware they are committing a most > > > > > > > > > henious crime. Has any council member resigned so far in > > protest? > > > > > > > > > How many SYs have voiced their utter disgust at their > > > collectives? > > > > > > > > > How can they allow all this to be done to Her, their > deafening > > > > > > > > > silence obviously confirming their indirect participation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am truly ashamed that so many of Her devotees are happily > > going > > > > > > > > > about their daily lives as if nothing has happenned. That is > > why > > > i > > > > > > > > > do not want to be ever called a Sahaja Yogi. i want to have > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > to do with them or their organization. It does not matter > > > anymore, > > > > > > > > > even if the vast majority of SYs want to have nothing to do > > with > > > me, > > > > > > > > > the forum or websites. My conscience is clear and i sleep in > > > peace > > > > > > > > > every night knowing in my heart, mind and soul that i am > > > standing on > > > > > > > > > Her Truth ......... and, more importantly, defending it at > all > > > > > > > > > times. The further i drift away from WCASY and the SY > > > organization > > > > > > > > > the better i feel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Shri Mataji for freeing me years ago. At that time > i > > > was > > > > > > > > > wondering why it was taking place, even though there was no > > > WCASY or > > > > > > > > > Will-hijackers. Today i know better. i wish the same > blessings > > > to all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jagbir " " " " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Uncleji' you said it all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Shri Mataji, > > > > > > > > Sohniya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try the all-new Mail . " The New Version is radically > easier to use " – The Wall Street Journal > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 , Suzy Creamcheese <suzyogi wrote: > > Dear All, > > You mentioned " bratty kids " and I was reminded of a thought I've had for some time. Have you ever noticed that the SYs with the brattiest kids always say that one needs to be careful in punishing realized children? Every single parent of such children I have heard say this. It makes me laugh. > > Your sister in love, > Suzy > Dear Suzy and everybody, Yes, Suzy, this is the very shallow understanding of Sahaja Yoga and Shri Mataji that makes us all laugh. It is true that Shri Mataji has quite frequently, in the past, said that Sahaja Yogis will give birth to realized children; She has always been very polite and encouraging. But what most of us don't realize is that there are conditions attached even to Shri Mataji's very encouraging words. We often don't want to know the on-the-other-hand angle to what Shri Mataji says. For instance, She has very frequently said, " Don't spoil your children. " But such words have usually fallen on deaf ears. This bone-headed attitude of such Sahaja Yogis and Yoginis can have very unhappy, even tragic consequences. Here is a relevant quote from Shri Mataji's speech at the Shri Shiva Puja, Italy, 1991: " Now some people I've seen are very attached to their children and they go on pampering 'My child, my child'. And suddenly they discover the child is now is a devil's child. The child starts answering back, saying all kinds of things, beating the parents, misbehaving, and then they suddenly discover that 'this is the child whom I have been looking after, giving so much love.' " Very interestingly, in another puja speech which I have excerpted below, Shri Mataji has also said that many children born to Sahaja Yogis are not realized. Note the word " many. " This is the on-the- other-hand aspect of Shri Mataji's words about the children born to Sahaja Yogis: " Now we have seen that many Sahaja Yogis also don't have realized souls as their children. Maybe their own karmas, maybe the child, anything it is... " And then Shri Mataji has more startling words: " ...but even I have seen some Sahaja Yogis having horribly devilish children. " In other words, according to Shri Mataji, Sahaja Yogis can indeed procreate devilish children. So, the other side of the coin is that many Sahaja Yogis may well be the proud, doting parents of cute little rakshashas and cuddly little rakshashis. Chandra " ...It's also true that if you are a realised soul in the real sense, if you are a really realised soul, then you must have a child which is a realised soul; and that is how also it was said that if the father is a Brahmin, is a realised soul, his son also becomes a Brahmin. Because you are a Sahaja Yogi now, you can understand that a Sahaja Yogi's son normally becomes a Sahaja Yogi. So it was agreed that children of a Brahmin will be called as a Brahmin. Gradually it amounted to this that any child born out of a Brahmin was called as Brahmin. Now we have seen that many Sahaja Yogis also don't have realized souls as their children. Maybe their own karmas, maybe the child, anything it is, but even I have seen some Sahaja Yogis having horribly devilish children. So it shows that it is not through your birth you can claim that you are a Brahmin or the one who has known the Brahma. Brahma is the all-pervading power. So you have to be a Brahmin by your karma, by what you do. " (Shri Krishna Puja, Englewood, New Jersey, June 2nd 1986) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Hi Violet, "Could it be that the parents themselves perhaps lack discipline too, and therefore find this a 'very convenient' excuse to cover the embarrassment of not being able to discipline their children adequately. That of course, makes the excuse kind of comical indeed." This is exactly what I had in mind and is exactly my experience with these types of SY parents. So, let's have a good laugh.All the love, Suzy Violet <violet.tubb wrote: Dear Suzy and All,i just want to say that i am glad there is this forum where we can speak openly without some SY Mafia Types blocking our posts, as i have personally experienced with regards to their forums, where open and honest expression is not allowed, but is heavily censored. i now believe the reason for this heavy censorship is because some elite SY's now have reputations that need to be 'positively managed and maintained' so that they can remain to be seen as "elite".i believe another reason for the heavy censorship is that now that Shri Mataji's Truths have been made into a religion (against Her Wishes)...that the Mafia Types find it in their best interests to also manage the reputation of their 'organized religion' that they have made out of Shri Mataji's spiritual teachings.We have not tried to 'manage' our reputations on this forum. i am sure our 'warts and all' are open for all to see, and even laugh about too. After all, human beings are funny creatures........really! (Say, if hypothetically, someone came from another planet and tried to understand human beings, they would most probably be very confused, because so often human beings say one thing; yet do the exact opposite.)On this forum, we do not have any 'managed organized religion' to worry about. We just want simple lives, where we can imbibe and follow Shri Mataji's teachings, and help other folks who desire to do likewise, by finding out Her Truth for themselves, by testing it 'like a scientist'. To do anything else, is 'complication, itself'. Obviously, that is why Shri Mataji said to follow Her and not to follow Sahaja Yoga, because to follow Sahaja Yoga now, is most complicated, since it has been made into a religion.This forum gives us the advantage of learning information that helps to dispel the confusion about WHAT Sahaja Yoga really is. Leaders have tried to organize what Sahaja Yoga is, when Shri Mataji clearly stated that you cannot organize Her Truth. (Administrative duties can be organized though; that is different. However, Shri Mataji called 'organizers' the 'posters' of letters, and the 'lickers' of stamps....just to very clearly clarify their role. i never heard them described as 'inheritors of Her Will, though.) So......i just love Her 'wicked' and 'delightful' sense of humour, which when emulated by Sahaja Yogis, is considered by the 'staid ones' as quite 'sacreligious'. However, who cares what the 'staid ones' think. The thing is....the Truth is never boring. It is never "too serious". It "just is". Anything that is 'not Truth' becomes quite laughable.i think it is quite laughable when somebody (even if it is in the disguise/guise of a religion tries to 'manage, dictate, or dominate' me. i am very surprised at WCASY leaders for following into this spiritual tempation, yet once again. i guess they ARE the perennial ones that have always tried to usurp the will of others.....incarnation after incarnation.Now that i have got that off my chest, i want to talk about what you said, Suzy. i find your remarks interesting, when you say that you have noticed that the SY's with the 'brattiest kids' also seem to be the same SY's who say that one has to be careful with regard to 'punishing', (that is, 'disciplining') their realized children. Could it be that the parents themselves perhaps lack discipline too, and therefore find this a 'very convenient' excuse to cover the embarrassment of not being able to discipline their children adequately. That of course, makes the excuse kind of comical indeed.But, tragedy can also be involved, like when there are extenuating circumstances, such as the lack of a father, or 'suffering' adults who are having problems with coping. That is where others can help. We can be 'aunties' and 'uncles' to others children in a very natural and subtle way, not only in a Sahaj Collective but in society as well. There are many spiritual needs that need to be filled, where we can all 'shine our lights'. Children do indeed need the special attention and love of the whole society-at-large.So....lets not allow any religious organizers to take away the basic joys of our human relationships. Lets be flexible enough to have a bit of give-and-take and allow ourselves to laugh and cry and have joy in each other's fellowship without all the tactics of 'managing, dictating, or dominating' others, which just spoils everything. Lets 'be real' in other words, because only a very real human message is going to allow others to understand Shri Mataji's teachings, whereby they also can become enlightened and see their spiritual way forward.And this is a warning to those who persist in continuing with religious tactics of domination and control over the will of others, (because if EVEN Shri Mataji's Will can be taken over, what chance is there for others to avoid their wills from being taken over). So, to those who like to "dominate", be assured that we will to continue to "report" all the facts so that everyone will everyone will not only be aware of you, but also 'beware' of you. (Just maybe....one day, you will all realize just how 'fruitless' domination of other's wills, really is.violet-- In , Suzy Creamcheese <suzyogi wrote:>> Dear All,> > You mentioned "bratty kids" and I was reminded of a thought I've had for some time. Have you ever noticed that the SYs with the brattiest kids always say that one needs to be careful in punishing realized children? Every single parent of such children I have heard say this. It makes me laugh. > > Your sister in love,> Suzy> > indiblonde <indiblonde wrote:> Dear Violet, Chandra, Pallawi and everyone,> > Whilst on the subject of leadership and leaders, one thing that > crossed my mind was apart from the "follow the leader" mentality, > another fallacy was that ALL the leaders are selected by Shri > Mataji. – hence they "represent" her.> > Ofcourse that's not true, for one, I heard that the dubai center had > another leader and suresh narayan did some corrupt methods to wrest > leadership off the poor guy who was the leader there before. Many > have openly told him they do not recognize or respect > his "leadership". As for pesky kids like Chandra said who are > little balloons of ego proclaiming their daddy is the sy leader, the > same attitude is visible in suresh narayan's kids, his son behaving > like he is the prince in waiting to his dad's throne. Like he is > just tooo good for the air around him that he breathes. Ofcourse > like I said, the biggest punishment is to themselves for raising > bratty kids.> > The most comical incident was when they made a home video. As usual > suresh narayan lied and said that he showed that little home movie > to Shri Mataji and she liked it very very much and said that EVERY > Sahaja Yogi in the WHOLE world should have a copy of that video. > Now for those curious..lemme tell you what the blockbuster movie was > all about.> > The video was titled "Ma purnima ka chand" (Mother is the full moon)> > The whole video had suresh, his family and cronies playing roles.> > Suresh was the village leader, his son was the sy protégé, etc. > the story was simple, group of sy's singing bhajans in an area…the > village pandit (priest) does not like it, there is a discussion > between the highly progressed sy leader and the local priest on > which day of the month it was, with the priest claiming its no moon > day and the sy saying every night is a full moon night because SM is > the full moon. > > Thats it. > > I still don't know if suresh was speaking the truth and wanting all > the people to buy the video tape priced at approx 8$, but then if > what he said was really true then WCASY would have plugged his lill' > home video. > > The funny thing was after he announced his grammy award winning > movie and showed it to us in a special screening at the center, > nobody got up to buy the tape. > > But it really angered me when he refused to > release/distribute/promote or even just INFORM the center people of > the supremso movie. Not even a screening. I even gave him a CD > with the movie asking if he wanted to distribute the movie I would > contribute and record the CD's for free. He instead announced later > on that he "forgives some sy's" who don't know they are breaking the > rules. I guess he didn't want to distribute the CD because he did > not star in it, iam sure if his face was shown there even for a > second, the whole of dubai would have that movie by his efforts > alone.> > I wonder if the WCASY even knows or has any way of knowing whats > going on in the sy centers right under their noses. > > Every time there is a visitor, some "famous" sy..for example some > dude who worked/works at UN and is a sy, who was "very close" to SM > or is on some high position of authority or leadership in WCASY , or > even just a visiting sy center leader from a neighboring country, > the hall is miraculously filled up with so many new faces I have > never seen before, I wonder where did they all come from suddenly? > Then by the next week the visitor is gone and the hall is again more > than half empty as usual for the rest of the whole year unless there > is another visitor…and the hall suddenly has so many new faces, I > suspect they bring along these people to "visibly" show just how > strong the attendance is at the center, when infact it is not. Many > have boycotted the center in silent protest asking for him to step > down.> > Anyways, guess I could go on and on about what goes on in the > center, but, from what I have seen and learnt, is that, I could have > kept quiet and gone along with the "flow", thinking its not my > problem if they are doing/saying anything that's not true or (the > usual excuse I hear even from highly mature/old sy's) that "iam just > a tiny cog in the giant machinery and I cannot make a difference". > > But somehow I cant see all the wrongdoings and keep quiet. Few > nights ago when I was meditating…I looked at Shri Mataji's photo and > remembered all the lies, wrongdoings in her name…it has happened > before, and as usual I just surrender it to her. But when I > remembered the will hijacking, hospitalization, I just started > crying…I don't know why..but I just kept crying like something in my > heart was hurting big time. I asked her…...> aah well..i guess I wont write it here…anyways,,I've said nuff.> > Jai Shri Mataji,> Sohniya> > , pallawi <pallawip@> > wrote:> >> > Jai Shree Matajee to everyone,> > > > Dear Sohniya,> > Just want to make any doubts clear, if you > are anyway thinking me as a disguised sy mafia, then you are > mistaken.I am simply a new seeker, not more than that.> > > > Thanks to shri Jagbir jee who gave me such a good direction of > try to be your own master rather than wasting time in frustration > and judging who is actually a leader, why he/ she behaving such etc > etc.> > > > Last month, the first time I visited AdiShakti Puja and I was > lucky enough to get a souvenir from Shree Matajee which has these > beautiful words :> > > > 'if anything can disturb your joy then you are not progressing' -> maa Nirmala> > > > These words explains that our aim should be higher.You are > already in senior stage of sy.So I think no need to explain it > further .> > > > Jai Shree Matajee> > Pallawi> > > > > > indiblonde <indiblonde@> wrote:> > Dear Chandra and everyone,> > > > I would not be surprised, if the sy mafia hood tried to respond > > under disguise of a new seeker innocently asking "are we not > > supposed to follow the leaders?" ofcourse..i'd give benefit of the > > doubt..but i guess..there is always a possibility?> > > > What never fails to surprise me is when someone had enough access > to > > knowledge of how we are "supposed" to follow the corrupt leaders > > like blind sheep but has NO knowledge that > > > > 1- Firstly we cant quote SM out of context. in this case about > > respecting and following the leaders.> > > > 2- Secondly how about the other part where SM has spoken about how > > the leaders should behave and stuff they should NOT do? How about > > the speeches in which she has said that no leader should do this > n' > > that? i need to search a bit and find the speeach. and when i > do..i > > shall post it here, else if someone alreday has it...pls. be kind > > nuff to post it.> > > > As for me, honestly i just feel like laughing when i see suresh > and > > lalitha narayan staring at me. this is what i call "punishing > > themselves". at the end of the day, they are the corrupt ones, > > hating a nice & honest sy like me, instead of meditating they keep > > putting their attention on sy's like me and some others who > question > > their behaviour, and think we are gonna take offence at their > > staring. But its just them TRYING to offend us? WHO CARES ABOUT > THEM > > STARING? THEY CAN DO IT ALL NIGHT LONG. WHO EVER CARES?> > > > But the biggest punishment is to themselves when they lie about > > their relations with Shri Mataji. They announce that SM worked on > > their chakra's personally, so they are highly vibrated like it > were > > a first class cleaning service they got, and the rest of us get > > third class cleansing on our subtle system since only the > kundalini > > shakti purifies us..not SM in person. GEEZ! They just say anything > > to "show-off" their proximity with SM. But in all this, more than > > trying to fool the people, they harm themselves. Lying in the name > > of Shri Mataji, that too repeatedly, has to have its consequences? > > sooner or later?> > > > As for all those who think just following the majority will get > > them "ahead" faster should remember "those who are first shall be > > last...and those who are last shall be first".> > > > i just do my meditation, speak the truth, keep my heart clean. > thats > > all. rest what suresh and lalitha narayan do is punishing > > themselves.> > > > Jai Shri Mataji,> > Sohniya> > > > , "my2pai" <my2pai@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sohniya and everybody,> > > > > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with the > > > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common problem > > indeed > > > in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the internal obstacles > > > they have to overcome and then they have more headaches in the > > form > > > of the local Sahaj mafia hoods. > > > > > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the leaders > > can > > > get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India Tour, some > > > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged about > > > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a "Do you know > > that > > > my father is YM?" Truth to tell, even apparently senior SYs were > > > checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-my-father-is > > gambit > > > of this pesky kid.> > > > > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the leaders > even > > > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a Puja > > speech > > > where She speaks about the problem: "If we appoint somebody as a > > > leader, the leader may start thinking that he's really the > leader. > > > And then it becomes really a problem for him because he starts > > > losing everything that is leadership. But the worst is, their > > wives > > > start thinking they're the leaders; and sometimes the children > > also > > > think that way and I won't be surprised even if their dogs and > > pets > > > behave that way."> > > > > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have become the > > > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj leaders > have > > > really and deservedly gone to the dogs.> > > > > > Chandra> > > > > > > > > "...God is egoless because He does everything, so He's egoless, > or > > > we can say He is the Ego, if that means doing something. But > human > > > beings have ego because they don't do anything and think they're > > > doing something; you know this very well. So then you start > > assuming > > > that you do something, you get identified with such myths very > > > easily. Only human beings can be identified with myths, not God. > > But > > > after realization you can see your ego clearly; it acts in > various > > > ways. If we appoint somebody as a leader, the leader may start > > > thinking that he's really the leader. And then it becomes really > a > > > problem for him because he starts losing everything that is > > > leadership. But the worst is, their wives start thinking they're > > the > > > leaders; and sometimes the children also think that way and I > > won't > > > be surprised even if their dogs and pets behave that way. It can > > be > > > any stupid thing. So with this kind of an ego, a Sahaja Yogi can > > > see, you see, himself, how he behaves. I watch them and it > > provides > > > a lot of humor for Me; they push forward everywhere, they'll sit > > in > > > the forward line, they'll push forward, they'll be there first > to > > > come in the front line, sort of thing is there. But if you're a > > > sincere person, if you have the sincerity then you'll enjoy that > > > sincerity wherever you are standing, wherever you are sitting. > So > > > the ego can try to deceive you very much, all the time, so you > > have > > > to be careful about this ego because he can sit on your head and > > can > > > monitor you. I have seen people going down very rapidly with > this > > > idea that they're something special. So sincerity, though it is > > the > > > quality of the left side, can be dominated by the right side, > this > > > way."> > > > > > (Puja Address in Dourdan, France, 18/5/86)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "indiblonde" > > > <indiblonde@> wrote:> > > >> > > > JSM,> > > > > > > > Dear Uncle Jagbirji and all,> > > > > > > > It saddens me greatly to read what has been done by WCASY in > > terms > > > of hijacking Shri Mataji's will and then going against Her > wishes > > > for not being hospitalized. The feelings Uncleji has expressed > > are > > > the same as mine really. I feel really hurt about this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They do not treat the sahaja yogi's with respect. The way they > > > function is an insult to the average sy's intelligence. But that > > > they would go as far as to even go against Shri Mataji's wishes, > > is > > > appalling to say the least.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recall the past months that I was visiting the sy center > here > > in > > > dubai. The amount of lies spoken aloud in the name of Shri > Mataji > > by > > > the "leader" suresh narayan is disgusting. He speaks things > > > like "C.P. called me last evening..and we had a conversation" > like > > > he and Sir CP are the best of bossom buddies since childhood.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then he says things like.."last evening I called Shri Mataji > on > > > the phone and I told her blah blah" YEAH RIGHT! She is just > > waiting > > > beside the phone for his call.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if this is done with the permission/knowledge of > WCASY > > or > > > encouraged by them,to make the rest of new seekers fall into the > > > trap of thinking that leaders are something special. I see the > 90% > > > crowd in the hall just listening to him with a sarcastic > > look,while > > > his 9% cronies clap with all gusto, and 1% new comers just look > > > wondering whats going on.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides since suresh narayan is making a hundred million calls > > > every day to Shri Mataji and speaking to her for hours and hours > > iam > > > sure he has enough funds for paying the exorbitant phone bills. > So > > > iam sure he does not need any more money to be contributed for > the > > > sy center,I'll stop for now since he has excess of money and I > > urge > > > others to do the same. I'll start contributing once he either > > admits > > > that he does Not all those hours talking to Shri Mataji as he > > > claims, or show us the phone bills as proof that he does indeed > > and > > > let us know how those calls were accounted for.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What iam reminded here is reading a while back about some sy> > > > center's in other countries struggling for money, and devising> > > > dishonest methods to gain monetary contributions. Is it not > > > strange? The SY centers…Shri Mataji's …..without lakshmi tattwa? > > Or > > > is it> > > > an indication that something is going wrong in the centers > which > > > is why they are loosing their lakshmi tattwa?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its amazing how those center's are struggling to stay > > > afloat..struggling to find new comers, and this forum without > > trying > > > any> > > > funny tactics finds it way to new seekers?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know all that will happen after this post is some crony will > > > inform> > > > suresh narayan and he will just stare and stare at me from his > > > high throne at the center…and his wife lalitha will start > looking > > > back from her shoulder every 5 seconds at me with devastating > > looks. > > > So much for both of them meditating at the center. I remember > > with > > > my last post..i went to the center..i was in deep > meditation..only > > > to open my eyes..and find suresh narayan standing afar right > ahead…> > > looking like he wanted to 'kill me.'> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But my main point here is…after speaking all those lies about > > Shri> > > > Mataji, which I suspect is part of WCASY propaganda, this is > the > > > really awful where they send sms's saying she is healthy as she > > was > > > 20 years ago.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that most sy's put their thinking caps on. I can imagine > > most> > > > just jumping in their seats reading the sms's, without > bothering > > to> > > > question. They are the one's whose main hobby is to contact the> > > > members who post on this forum, and try to convince them to > quit > > > and> > > > boycott this forum. One tried that with me, so when I > discussed > > > with> > > > him the "issues" he was left with no reply for the wrong doings> > > > going on in Shri Mataji's name by WCASY and sy leaders.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When pressed for a reply, all he could say was..he would just > go > > > with the direction in which the majority was going. When I asked > > > him, even if they were going in the wrong direction..he > > said "yes". > > > Oh well…what> > > > can I say then? Carry on. What my heart asks is…when will they > > > wake> > > > up from their blindness? When its too late? Or will they never > > > realize? Or still not admit even if they realize?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I end this note with Uncle Jagbirji's words:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > """"i feel so hapless, as if i am witnessing a rape> > > > > > > > > and can do nothing much except plead with the perpetrators > to > > > stop.> > > > > > > > > But they are so intoxicated with drunken pleasure and > righteous> > > > > > > > > power that they are not even aware they are committing a most> > > > > > > > > henious crime. Has any council member resigned so far in > > protest?> > > > > > > > > How many SYs have voiced their utter disgust at their > > > collectives?> > > > > > > > > How can they allow all this to be done to Her, their > deafening> > > > > > > > > silence obviously confirming their indirect participation?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i am truly ashamed that so many of Her devotees are happily > > going> > > > > > > > > about their daily lives as if nothing has happenned. That is > > why > > > i> > > > > > > > > do not want to be ever called a Sahaja Yogi. i want to have > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > to do with them or their organization. It does not matter > > > anymore,> > > > > > > > > even if the vast majority of SYs want to have nothing to do > > with > > > me,> > > > > > > > > the forum or websites. My conscience is clear and i sleep in > > > peace> > > > > > > > > every night knowing in my heart, mind and soul that i am > > > standing on> > > > > > > > > Her Truth ......... and, more importantly, defending it at > all> > > > > > > > > times. The further i drift away from WCASY and the SY > > > organization> > > > > > > > > the better i feel.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thank you Shri Mataji for freeing me years ago. At that time > i > > > was> > > > > > > > > wondering why it was taking place, even though there was no > > > WCASY or> > > > > > > > > Will-hijackers. Today i know better. i wish the same > blessings > > > to all.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > jagbir""""> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Uncleji' you said it all.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Shri Mataji,> > > > > > > > Sohniya> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try the all-new Mail . "The New Version is radically > easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal> >> > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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