Abusive, corrupt and nonsensical leaders - Do you know that my father is YM

[Guest guest]

Having grown up alongside this " Pesky little girl " I can attest that

she was treated no different to other children. Believing rumours and

idle banter, and worse, respond to it, makes you better than those you

criticise how? To keep with your analogy, give a dog a bone, and he'll

be back for more. Please keep with facts, and try to refrain from

going on tangents.

Respect and love,

S

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> , " my2pai " <my2pai@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sohniya and everybody,

> >

> > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with the

> > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common problem

> > indeed in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the internal

> > obstacles they have to overcome and then they have more headaches

> > in the form of the local Sahaj mafia hoods.

> >

> > More often than not, even the wives and children of the leaders

> > can get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India Tour, some

> > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged about

> > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do you know

> > that my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently senior SYs

> > were checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-my-father-is

> > gambit of this pesky kid.

> >

> > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the leaders even

> > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a Puja

> > speech where She speaks about the problem: " If we appoint somebody

> > as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's really the

> > leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him because he

> > starts losing everything that is leadership. But the worst is,

> > their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and sometimes the

> > children also think that way and I won't be surprised even if

> > their dogs and pets behave that way. "

> >

> > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have become the

> > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj leaders have

> > really and deservedly gone to the dogs.

> >

> > Chandra

> >

>

> And YM is that infamous ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan who ruled like

> a despot on the land the International Sahaja Yoga school was built.

> The corrupting power of being both landlord and director of the

> school is known to the few like Kash who crossed his path. Yogi

> Mahajan was a scheming dictator and propaganda minister the likes of

> which i hope never to come across. His word (and web of lies and

> deceit) uttered on his estate in Dharamsala, India was law unto all

> mortals under his jurisdiction, even prevailing over that of Shri

> Mataji thousands of miles away in Cabella, Italy.

>

> Thus when Shri Mataji overruled his decision to expel my son as Yogi

> Mahajan believed Kash was demonic - since YM believed only Satan

> could empower this child to daily meet Her within his Sahasrara at

> will - Yogi Mahajan schemed with his crony Mrs. Chitnavis, the

> headmistress appointed by his royal decree, to rid his estate of

> such satanic souls. Their plot more than fits the required Bollywood

> script mix of abusive, corrupt and nonsensical leaders who are evil

> incarnate in human bodies.

>

> To cut a long story short, after Shri Mataji refused to agree to

> YM's recommendations that my children be removed from Dharamsala,

> Kash was suddenly accused of committing the following crimes in

> quick succession:

>

> 1) that he was a gangster and leader of the school gang (after a few

> of his friends, inspired by the movie, got together and formed the

> Dead Poets Society);

>

> 2) was showing porn to grade 6 girls (but no victim, witness or

> smut was produced as evidence);

>

> 3) was possessed by demons (and had to spend one month in solitary

> confinement to rid him of his demonic ability to meet and converse

> with the Adi Shakti and other messengers of God Almighty);

>

> 4) a silhouette was judged by the bespectacled principle Mrs.

> Chitnavis as evidence he was lurking at night around the girls'

> dormitories (even though anyone with poor vision would find it next

> to impossible to recognize any shadow from i) a few hundred yards on

> ii) a moonless night at iii) an impossible angle from her office);

>

> There are other minor charges - like snacking after meals, talking

> with girls (while playing), coming late for havan (by a few

> minutes) - that made Ted Bundy turn green with envy and raging-red

> jealous of Kash's rap sheet. Kash's brown skin was also a

> disadvantage. According to Mrs. Chitnavis, his Indian genes should

> always behave better than those scheduled class Caucasians who were

> innocent by reason of pardesi color and spirituality-deficient

> births for committing the same 'crimes'. (As i have said before, all

> of us have had too much of Sahaj love and too much of it can kill.)

>

> So with all these new charges Shri Mataji was overruled despite Her

> explicitly confirming that under no circumstance were any of them to

> be sent back. Despite a second stay confirmation from Shri Mataji

> both brothers were exiled from the despot's kingdom. To maximize

> insult to injury both brothers had to spend the last few days in a

> run-down Dharamsala hotel, before being unceremoniously dumped in

> New Delhi.

>

> As these events in Dharamsala were unfolding and Kash kept in

> isolation, Shri Mataji was on Her way to North America. i prepared a

> letter before proceeding to Toronto on September 18, 1997, with the

> intention of delivering it to Her.

>

> The next day i was warned by the Canadian leader Jay Chudasama at

> the Toronto ashram that i was in danger of being thrown out of

> Sahaja Yoga if i persisted in accusing the school board of

> wrongdoing. i replied that i was prepared to leave Sahaja Yoga, but

> under no circumstances will i withdraw my letter.

>

> It was in this state of mind that i walked into Shri Mataji's hotel

> suite in Toronto on September 19, 1996, at about 4:15 p.m. and

> prostrated completely (Ashtanga Namaskar) at Her Lotus Feet. Shri

> Mataji Nirmala Devi had summoned me (without even opening the letter

> which i had handed Her at Toronto's Pearson Airport) to discuss

> about my children at Her school in Dharamsala, India. SY Jay

> Chudasama and Dr. Mishra were also present.

>

> Shri Mahamaya asked me the most mundane of questions: " Are you a

> Sikh? " . . . " When did you join Sahaja Yoga? " . . . " What were you

> doing all the while? " . . . " Are you alright with your wife? " There

> was not a single query on Kash's spiritual journeys or any related

> topic.

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then requested Kash and his younger brother

> be brought back to Canada. There was somehow not even the slightest

> ripple of reaction from me. For some reason, in my thoughtless

> state, the most ridiculous of charges sounded like music to my ears.

> Shri Mataji had done Her best to keep Kash in Dharamsala (twice for

> the matter), but the despot Yogi Mahajan was determined and

> overturned even Her final decision. She had to defer to the landlord

> of Her school.

>

> When Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi had finished talking about the school

> board charges the issue of publishing this book was again raised —

> for the third time. i had accepted all allegations with complete

> calmness and was prepared for a negative answer. This would be the

> best opportunity for the Great Divine Mother to stop its

> publication. Kash, the very child to whom Shri Maha Avatar Shri

> Nirmala Devi had revealed Her Ultimate Reality, was facing serious

> charges; accusations that he and his brother vehemently denied.

> (Their mother had already crumbled under the onslaught of recent

> events. It was she who reminded me to make sure that Shri Mataji's

> permission to publish Her book be again obtained. In her mind these

> revelations were still for the family only, and the Great Primordial

> Mother might terminate publication of this book — and finally give

> her family some peace of mind from the relentless onslaught of

> negativity.) As far as i was concerned this would be the best reason

> and opportunity for Shri Mataji to cease work on the book based on a

> child whom world leader Yogi Mahajan claimed to be a gangster and

> demon-possessed porn-peddler.

>

> Shri Mataji told those present that permission had already been

> granted previously, and there was no need to ask again.

>

> i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my head in

> Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory to the Mother!)

> The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting with Her blessings of

> Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) in my endeavor.

>

> After that i waited for years before Shri Mataji expelled Yogi

> Mahajan. As far as my family is concerned this is sweet justice

> meted upon the most powerful, abusive, corrupt and nonsensical of SY

> leaders trying to destory Her Truth.

>

> Allan Wherry and his WCASY pals and Will-wannabee cronies like John

> Noyce, Ed Suagstad, Raj and others have since taken over where Yogi

> Mahajan left. So all of you just stay on the battlefield and stand

> your ground with all your murmurings, gossips, accusations, lies and

> slanderings against my children and me. Allan Wherry, i will see how

> many of your kind are left standing when the dust finally settles.

>

> Jai Shri Ganapathi,

>

>

> jagbir

>

[Guest guest]

Dear " S " ,

 

i am sure that many others have also grown up with the young lady, who

apparently... ONCE... was a " pesky " little girl, when she went around telling

people who her father was, thus making people feel rather intimidated. It is

common knowledge that this is a frequent scenario in church congregations, with

the minister's wife and children also wielding their authority, in just such a

manner.

 

" Leaders " .... especially those who consider themselves to be very important,

(and we have proof that this was the case with this girl's father, because he

did not even defer to Shri Mataji's wishes in a particular matter)....well,

they, their wife and children become a sort of 'public property', just like any

other public figure becomes 'public property', because of the role they take.

 

Therefore, if someone objects to the 'minister's daughter' wielding her

authority, they do so in her role as the minister's daughter and not as the

person herself. Therefore, for yourself to jump in and take issue on what is a

'public' and not a 'private' issue, is inappropriate.

 

If facts be spoken, what should really offend you, is that this very girl's

father, abused his leadership authority and called innocent children as

" possessed " . i am sure Jagbir would not have minded one bit if his children had

been called " pesky " instead of " possessed " .

 

So, lets stick to the facts, shall we. We are just too well informed on this

forum to be whitewashed by idle banter.

 

kind regards,

 

violet

 

 

 

, " sfacets " <sfacets

wrote:

>

> Having grown up alongside this " Pesky little girl " I can attest that

> she was treated no different to other children. Believing rumours

and

> idle banter, and worse, respond to it, makes you better than those

you

> criticise how? To keep with your analogy, give a dog a bone, and

he'll

> be back for more. Please keep with facts, and try to refrain from

> going on tangents.

> Respect and love,

> S

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > , " my2pai " <my2pai@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sohniya and everybody,

> > >

> > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with the

> > > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common problem

> > > indeed in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the internal

> > > obstacles they have to overcome and then they have more

headaches

> > > in the form of the local Sahaj mafia hoods.

> > >

> > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the leaders

> > > can get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India Tour,

some

> > > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged about

> > > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do you know

> > > that my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently senior SYs

> > > were checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-my-father-

is

> > > gambit of this pesky kid.

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the leaders

even

> > > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a Puja

> > > speech where She speaks about the problem: " If we appoint

somebody

> > > as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's really the

> > > leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him because he

> > > starts losing everything that is leadership. But the worst is,

> > > their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and sometimes

the

> > > children also think that way and I won't be surprised even if

> > > their dogs and pets behave that way. "

> > >

> > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have become the

> > > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj leaders

have

> > > really and deservedly gone to the dogs.

> > >

> > > Chandra

> > >

> >

> > And YM is that infamous ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan who ruled

like

> > a despot on the land the International Sahaja Yoga school was

built.

> > The corrupting power of being both landlord and director of the

> > school is known to the few like Kash who crossed his path. Yogi

> > Mahajan was a scheming dictator and propaganda minister the likes

of

> > which i hope never to come across. His word (and web of lies and

> > deceit) uttered on his estate in Dharamsala, India was law unto

all

> > mortals under his jurisdiction, even prevailing over that of Shri

> > Mataji thousands of miles away in Cabella, Italy.

> >

> > Thus when Shri Mataji overruled his decision to expel my son as

Yogi

> > Mahajan believed Kash was demonic - since YM believed only Satan

> > could empower this child to daily meet Her within his Sahasrara at

> > will - Yogi Mahajan schemed with his crony Mrs. Chitnavis, the

> > headmistress appointed by his royal decree, to rid his estate of

> > such satanic souls. Their plot more than fits the required

Bollywood

> > script mix of abusive, corrupt and nonsensical leaders who are

evil

> > incarnate in human bodies.

> >

> > To cut a long story short, after Shri Mataji refused to agree to

> > YM's recommendations that my children be removed from Dharamsala,

> > Kash was suddenly accused of committing the following crimes in

> > quick succession:

> >

> > 1) that he was a gangster and leader of the school gang (after a

few

> > of his friends, inspired by the movie, got together and formed the

> > Dead Poets Society);

> >

> > 2) was showing porn to grade 6 girls (but no victim, witness or

> > smut was produced as evidence);

> >

> > 3) was possessed by demons (and had to spend one month in solitary

> > confinement to rid him of his demonic ability to meet and converse

> > with the Adi Shakti and other messengers of God Almighty);

> >

> > 4) a silhouette was judged by the bespectacled principle Mrs.

> > Chitnavis as evidence he was lurking at night around the girls'

> > dormitories (even though anyone with poor vision would find it

next

> > to impossible to recognize any shadow from i) a few hundred yards

on

> > ii) a moonless night at iii) an impossible angle from her office);

> >

> > There are other minor charges - like snacking after meals, talking

> > with girls (while playing), coming late for havan (by a few

> > minutes) - that made Ted Bundy turn green with envy and raging-red

> > jealous of Kash's rap sheet. Kash's brown skin was also a

> > disadvantage. According to Mrs. Chitnavis, his Indian genes should

> > always behave better than those scheduled class Caucasians who

were

> > innocent by reason of pardesi color and spirituality-deficient

> > births for committing the same 'crimes'. (As i have said before,

all

> > of us have had too much of Sahaj love and too much of it can kill

..)

> >

> > So with all these new charges Shri Mataji was overruled despite

Her

> > explicitly confirming that under no circumstance were any of them

to

> > be sent back. Despite a second stay confirmation from Shri Mataji

> > both brothers were exiled from the despot's kingdom. To maximize

> > insult to injury both brothers had to spend the last few days in a

> > run-down Dharamsala hotel, before being unceremoniously dumped in

> > New Delhi.

> >

> > As these events in Dharamsala were unfolding and Kash kept in

> > isolation, Shri Mataji was on Her way to North America. i prepared

a

> > letter before proceeding to Toronto on September 18, 1997, with

the

> > intention of delivering it to Her.

> >

> > The next day i was warned by the Canadian leader Jay Chudasama at

> > the Toronto ashram that i was in danger of being thrown out of

> > Sahaja Yoga if i persisted in accusing the school board of

> > wrongdoing. i replied that i was prepared to leave Sahaja Yoga,

but

> > under no circumstances will i withdraw my letter.

> >

> > It was in this state of mind that i walked into Shri Mataji's

hotel

> > suite in Toronto on September 19, 1996, at about 4:15 p.m. and

> > prostrated completely (Ashtanga Namaskar) at Her Lotus Feet. Shri

> > Mataji Nirmala Devi had summoned me (without even opening the

letter

> > which i had handed Her at Toronto's Pearson Airport) to discuss

> > about my children at Her school in Dharamsala, India. SY Jay

> > Chudasama and Dr. Mishra were also present.

> >

> > Shri Mahamaya asked me the most mundane of questions: " Are you a

> > Sikh? " . . . " When did you join Sahaja Yoga? " . . . " What were you

> > doing all the while? " . . . " Are you alright with your wife? "

There

> > was not a single query on Kash's spiritual journeys or any related

> > topic.

> >

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then requested Kash and his younger

brother

> > be brought back to Canada. There was somehow not even the

slightest

> > ripple of reaction from me. For some reason, in my thoughtless

> > state, the most ridiculous of charges sounded like music to my

ears.

> > Shri Mataji had done Her best to keep Kash in Dharamsala (twice

for

> > the matter), but the despot Yogi Mahajan was determined and

> > overturned even Her final decision. She had to defer to the

landlord

> > of Her school.

> >

> > When Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi had finished talking about the

school

> > board charges the issue of publishing this book was again raised —

> > for the third time. i had accepted all allegations with complete

> > calmness and was prepared for a negative answer. This would be the

> > best opportunity for the Great Divine Mother to stop its

> > publication. Kash, the very child to whom Shri Maha Avatar Shri

> > Nirmala Devi had revealed Her Ultimate Reality, was facing serious

> > charges; accusations that he and his brother vehemently denied.

> > (Their mother had already crumbled under the onslaught of recent

> > events. It was she who reminded me to make sure that Shri Mataji's

> > permission to publish Her book be again obtained. In her mind

these

> > revelations were still for the family only, and the Great

Primordial

> > Mother might terminate publication of this book — and finally give

> > her family some peace of mind from the relentless onslaught of

> > negativity.) As far as i was concerned this would be the best

reason

> > and opportunity for Shri Mataji to cease work on the book based on

a

> > child whom world leader Yogi Mahajan claimed to be a gangster and

> > demon-possessed porn-peddler.

> >

> > Shri Mataji told those present that permission had already been

> > granted previously, and there was no need to ask again.

> >

> > i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my head in

> > Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory to the Mother

!)

> > The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting with Her blessings of

> > Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) in my endeavor.

> >

> > After that i waited for years before Shri Mataji expelled Yogi

> > Mahajan. As far as my family is concerned this is sweet justice

> > meted upon the most powerful, abusive, corrupt and nonsensical of

SY

> > leaders trying to destory Her Truth.

> >

> > Allan Wherry and his WCASY pals and Will-wannabee cronies like

John

> > Noyce, Ed Suagstad, Raj and others have since taken over where

Yogi

> > Mahajan left. So all of you just stay on the battlefield and stand

> > your ground with all your murmurings, gossips, accusations, lies

and

> > slanderings against my children and me. Allan Wherry, i will see

how

> > many of your kind are left standing when the dust finally settles.

> >

> > Jai Shri Ganapathi,

> >

> >

> > jagbir

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Violet,

 

Well considering that we basically grew up in Dharamsala, there can't

be too many I remember at the time in the early years of the school

we were all in " awe " (for lack of a better word) of YM probably

something to do with the beard and uncanny ability to not smile. ever.

My point is once I asked the girl in question what it was like having

YM as a father, and she answered something to the effect that it

wasn't a big deal... and I can attest that no special favours were

shown to her because of who her father was. I totally agrree that the

leader situation in Sahaj has become something akin to the

rabbit/canetoad infestation in Australia, but to vilinize people left

and right cannot be right, considering that part of the blame should

be passed on to Sahajayogis who do not use their witness powers to

discern any inapropriate actions taken by 'leaders' who in turn may

cause harm on others.

 

S

 

 

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear " S " ,

>

> i am sure that many others have also grown up with the young lady, who

> apparently... ONCE... was a " pesky " little girl, when she went

around telling people who her father was, thus making people feel

rather intimidated. It is common knowledge that this is a frequent

scenario in church congregations, with the minister's wife and

children also wielding their authority, in just such a manner.

>

> " Leaders " .... especially those who consider themselves to be very

important, (and we have proof that this was the case with this girl's

father, because he did not even defer to Shri Mataji's wishes in a

particular matter)....well, they, their wife and children become a

sort of 'public property', just like any other public figure becomes

'public property', because of the role they take.

>

> Therefore, if someone objects to the 'minister's daughter' wielding

her authority, they do so in her role as the minister's daughter and

not as the person herself. Therefore, for yourself to jump in and take

issue on what is a 'public' and not a 'private' issue, is inappropriate.

>

> If facts be spoken, what should really offend you, is that this very

girl's father, abused his leadership authority and called innocent

children as " possessed " . i am sure Jagbir would not have minded one

bit if his children had been called " pesky " instead of " possessed " .

>

> So, lets stick to the facts, shall we. We are just too well informed

on this forum to be whitewashed by idle banter.

>

> kind regards,

>

> violet

>

>

>

> , " sfacets " <sfacets@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Having grown up alongside this " Pesky little girl " I can attest that

> > she was treated no different to other children. Believing rumours

> and

> > idle banter, and worse, respond to it, makes you better than those

> you

> > criticise how? To keep with your analogy, give a dog a bone, and

> he'll

> > be back for more. Please keep with facts, and try to refrain from

> > going on tangents.

> > Respect and love,

> > S

> >

> > , " jagbir singh "

> > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > , " my2pai " <my2pai@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sohniya and everybody,

> > > >

> > > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with the

> > > > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common problem

> > > > indeed in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the internal

> > > > obstacles they have to overcome and then they have more

> headaches

> > > > in the form of the local Sahaj mafia hoods.

> > > >

> > > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the leaders

> > > > can get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India Tour,

> some

> > > > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged about

> > > > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do you know

> > > > that my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently senior SYs

> > > > were checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-my-father-

> is

> > > > gambit of this pesky kid.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the leaders

> even

> > > > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a Puja

> > > > speech where She speaks about the problem: " If we appoint

> somebody

> > > > as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's really the

> > > > leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him because he

> > > > starts losing everything that is leadership. But the worst is,

> > > > their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and sometimes

> the

> > > > children also think that way and I won't be surprised even if

> > > > their dogs and pets behave that way. "

> > > >

> > > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have become the

> > > > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj leaders

> have

> > > > really and deservedly gone to the dogs.

> > > >

> > > > Chandra

> > > >

> > >

> > > And YM is that infamous ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan who ruled

> like

> > > a despot on the land the International Sahaja Yoga school was

> built.

> > > The corrupting power of being both landlord and director of the

> > > school is known to the few like Kash who crossed his path. Yogi

> > > Mahajan was a scheming dictator and propaganda minister the likes

> of

> > > which i hope never to come across. His word (and web of lies and

> > > deceit) uttered on his estate in Dharamsala, India was law unto

> all

> > > mortals under his jurisdiction, even prevailing over that of Shri

> > > Mataji thousands of miles away in Cabella, Italy.

> > >

> > > Thus when Shri Mataji overruled his decision to expel my son as

> Yogi

> > > Mahajan believed Kash was demonic - since YM believed only Satan

> > > could empower this child to daily meet Her within his Sahasrara at

> > > will - Yogi Mahajan schemed with his crony Mrs. Chitnavis, the

> > > headmistress appointed by his royal decree, to rid his estate of

> > > such satanic souls. Their plot more than fits the required

> Bollywood

> > > script mix of abusive, corrupt and nonsensical leaders who are

> evil

> > > incarnate in human bodies.

> > >

> > > To cut a long story short, after Shri Mataji refused to agree to

> > > YM's recommendations that my children be removed from Dharamsala,

> > > Kash was suddenly accused of committing the following crimes in

> > > quick succession:

> > >

> > > 1) that he was a gangster and leader of the school gang (after a

> few

> > > of his friends, inspired by the movie, got together and formed the

> > > Dead Poets Society);

> > >

> > > 2) was showing porn to grade 6 girls (but no victim, witness or

> > > smut was produced as evidence);

> > >

> > > 3) was possessed by demons (and had to spend one month in solitary

> > > confinement to rid him of his demonic ability to meet and converse

> > > with the Adi Shakti and other messengers of God Almighty);

> > >

> > > 4) a silhouette was judged by the bespectacled principle Mrs.

> > > Chitnavis as evidence he was lurking at night around the girls'

> > > dormitories (even though anyone with poor vision would find it

> next

> > > to impossible to recognize any shadow from i) a few hundred yards

> on

> > > ii) a moonless night at iii) an impossible angle from her office);

> > >

> > > There are other minor charges - like snacking after meals, talking

> > > with girls (while playing), coming late for havan (by a few

> > > minutes) - that made Ted Bundy turn green with envy and raging-red

> > > jealous of Kash's rap sheet. Kash's brown skin was also a

> > > disadvantage. According to Mrs. Chitnavis, his Indian genes should

> > > always behave better than those scheduled class Caucasians who

> were

> > > innocent by reason of pardesi color and spirituality-deficient

> > > births for committing the same 'crimes'. (As i have said before,

> all

> > > of us have had too much of Sahaj love and too much of it can kill

> .)

> > >

> > > So with all these new charges Shri Mataji was overruled despite

> Her

> > > explicitly confirming that under no circumstance were any of them

> to

> > > be sent back. Despite a second stay confirmation from Shri Mataji

> > > both brothers were exiled from the despot's kingdom. To maximize

> > > insult to injury both brothers had to spend the last few days in a

> > > run-down Dharamsala hotel, before being unceremoniously dumped in

> > > New Delhi.

> > >

> > > As these events in Dharamsala were unfolding and Kash kept in

> > > isolation, Shri Mataji was on Her way to North America. i prepared

> a

> > > letter before proceeding to Toronto on September 18, 1997, with

> the

> > > intention of delivering it to Her.

> > >

> > > The next day i was warned by the Canadian leader Jay Chudasama at

> > > the Toronto ashram that i was in danger of being thrown out of

> > > Sahaja Yoga if i persisted in accusing the school board of

> > > wrongdoing. i replied that i was prepared to leave Sahaja Yoga,

> but

> > > under no circumstances will i withdraw my letter.

> > >

> > > It was in this state of mind that i walked into Shri Mataji's

> hotel

> > > suite in Toronto on September 19, 1996, at about 4:15 p.m. and

> > > prostrated completely (Ashtanga Namaskar) at Her Lotus Feet. Shri

> > > Mataji Nirmala Devi had summoned me (without even opening the

> letter

> > > which i had handed Her at Toronto's Pearson Airport) to discuss

> > > about my children at Her school in Dharamsala, India. SY Jay

> > > Chudasama and Dr. Mishra were also present.

> > >

> > > Shri Mahamaya asked me the most mundane of questions: " Are you a

> > > Sikh? " . . . " When did you join Sahaja Yoga? " . . . " What were you

> > > doing all the while? " . . . " Are you alright with your wife? "

> There

> > > was not a single query on Kash's spiritual journeys or any related

> > > topic.

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then requested Kash and his younger

> brother

> > > be brought back to Canada. There was somehow not even the

> slightest

> > > ripple of reaction from me. For some reason, in my thoughtless

> > > state, the most ridiculous of charges sounded like music to my

> ears.

> > > Shri Mataji had done Her best to keep Kash in Dharamsala (twice

> for

> > > the matter), but the despot Yogi Mahajan was determined and

> > > overturned even Her final decision. She had to defer to the

> landlord

> > > of Her school.

> > >

> > > When Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi had finished talking about the

> school

> > > board charges the issue of publishing this book was again raised —

> > > for the third time. i had accepted all allegations with complete

> > > calmness and was prepared for a negative answer. This would be the

> > > best opportunity for the Great Divine Mother to stop its

> > > publication. Kash, the very child to whom Shri Maha Avatar Shri

> > > Nirmala Devi had revealed Her Ultimate Reality, was facing serious

> > > charges; accusations that he and his brother vehemently denied.

> > > (Their mother had already crumbled under the onslaught of recent

> > > events. It was she who reminded me to make sure that Shri Mataji's

> > > permission to publish Her book be again obtained. In her mind

> these

> > > revelations were still for the family only, and the Great

> Primordial

> > > Mother might terminate publication of this book — and finally give

> > > her family some peace of mind from the relentless onslaught of

> > > negativity.) As far as i was concerned this would be the best

> reason

> > > and opportunity for Shri Mataji to cease work on the book based on

> a

> > > child whom world leader Yogi Mahajan claimed to be a gangster and

> > > demon-possessed porn-peddler.

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji told those present that permission had already been

> > > granted previously, and there was no need to ask again.

> > >

> > > i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my head in

> > > Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory to the Mother

> !)

> > > The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting with Her blessings of

> > > Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) in my endeavor.

> > >

> > > After that i waited for years before Shri Mataji expelled Yogi

> > > Mahajan. As far as my family is concerned this is sweet justice

> > > meted upon the most powerful, abusive, corrupt and nonsensical of

> SY

> > > leaders trying to destory Her Truth.

> > >

> > > Allan Wherry and his WCASY pals and Will-wannabee cronies like

> John

> > > Noyce, Ed Suagstad, Raj and others have since taken over where

> Yogi

> > > Mahajan left. So all of you just stay on the battlefield and stand

> > > your ground with all your murmurings, gossips, accusations, lies

> and

> > > slanderings against my children and me. Allan Wherry, i will see

> how

> > > many of your kind are left standing when the dust finally settles.

> > >

> > > Jai Shri Ganapathi,

> > >

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear " S " ,

 

Now that you mention that YM rarely smiled, i can understand why people were so

intimidated by him. People that rarely smile are not that comfortable to be

around. It is much more fun to be around people who are laughing and happy with

a good sense of humour, and who do not take themselves too seriously.

 

Shri Mataji said a similar thing, when She said that realized souls are happy

and can laugh easily and see the funny side of all the antics that occur.... all

the human foibles that occur, that make life somewhat interesting. Lets face

it... if we were all perfect, life would be a lot less interesting. After all,

human errors lend a lot of material for both 'comedy' as well as 'tragedy'.

 

Btw. i took note of your comments on 'villainizing': -

 

Would you call Shakespeare 'villainous' because he created sonnets, poetry, and

plays out of human foibles, or was it the people on whom Shakespeare's material

was based... who were the real villains and heroes? Would you call Shri Mataji

'villainous' for highlighting the many human foibles, or was it the human beings

themselves who were the 'villainous' ones?

 

Obviously, it is the actor that performs the 'villainous' act that is the

'villain' and therefore could be described as 'villainous'. The " reporter " of

the villainous act is only the " reporter " . Please understand the difference.

 

Shri Mataji possesses a 'villainously' good sense of humour. i have always

enjoyed her humour and laughed heartily. i especially loved when She remarked

that when a leader takes himself " too " seriously, that even his dog " probably "

becomes like him. That was just priceless!

 

violet

 

 

> Hi Violet,

>

> Well considering that we basically grew up in Dharamsala, there

can't

> be too many I remember at the time in the early years of the

school

> we were all in " awe " (for lack of a better word) of YM probably

> something to do with the beard and uncanny ability to not smile.

ever.

> My point is once I asked the girl in question what it was like

having

> YM as a father, and she answered something to the effect that it

> wasn't a big deal... and I can attest that no special favours were

> shown to her because of who her father was. I totally agrree that

the

> leader situation in Sahaj has become something akin to the

> rabbit/canetoad infestation in Australia, but to vilinize people

left

> and right cannot be right, considering that part of the blame should

> be passed on to Sahajayogis who do not use their witness powers to

> discern any inapropriate actions taken by 'leaders' who in turn may

> cause harm on others.

>

> S

>

>

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear " S " ,

> >

> > i am sure that many others have also grown up with the young lady,

who

> > apparently... ONCE... was a " pesky " little girl, when she went

> around telling people who her father was, thus making people feel

> rather intimidated. It is common knowledge that this is a frequent

> scenario in church congregations, with the minister's wife and

> children also wielding their authority, in just such a manner.

> >

> > " Leaders " .... especially those who consider themselves to be very

> important, (and we have proof that this was the case with this

girl's

> father, because he did not even defer to Shri Mataji's wishes in a

> particular matter)....well, they, their wife and children become a

> sort of 'public property', just like any other public figure becomes

> 'public property', because of the role they take.

> >

> > Therefore, if someone objects to the 'minister's daughter'

wielding

> her authority, they do so in her role as the minister's daughter and

> not as the person herself. Therefore, for yourself to jump in and

take

> issue on what is a 'public' and not a 'private' issue, is

inappropriate.

> >

> > If facts be spoken, what should really offend you, is that this

very

> girl's father, abused his leadership authority and called innocent

> children as " possessed " . i am sure Jagbir would not have minded one

> bit if his children had been called " pesky " instead of " possessed " .

> >

> > So, lets stick to the facts, shall we. We are just too well

informed

> on this forum to be whitewashed by idle banter.

> >

> > kind regards,

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sfacets " <sfacets@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Having grown up alongside this " Pesky little girl " I can attest

that

> > > she was treated no different to other children. Believing

rumours

> > and

> > > idle banter, and worse, respond to it, makes you better than

those

> > you

> > > criticise how? To keep with your analogy, give a dog a bone, and

> > he'll

> > > be back for more. Please keep with facts, and try to refrain

from

> > > going on tangents.

> > > Respect and love,

> > > S

> > >

> > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > , " my2pai "

<my2pai@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sohniya and everybody,

> > > > >

> > > > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with the

> > > > > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common problem

> > > > > indeed in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the

internal

> > > > > obstacles they have to overcome and then they have more

> > headaches

> > > > > in the form of the local Sahaj mafia hoods.

> > > > >

> > > > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the

leaders

> > > > > can get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India

Tour,

> > some

> > > > > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged

about

> > > > > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do you

know

> > > > > that my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently senior

SYs

> > > > > were checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-my-

father-

> > is

> > > > > gambit of this pesky kid.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the leaders

> > even

> > > > > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a

Puja

> > > > > speech where She speaks about the problem: " If we appoint

> > somebody

> > > > > as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's really

the

> > > > > leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him because

he

> > > > > starts losing everything that is leadership. But the worst

is,

> > > > > their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and

sometimes

> > the

> > > > > children also think that way and I won't be surprised even

if

> > > > > their dogs and pets behave that way. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have become

the

> > > > > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj

leaders

> > have

> > > > > really and deservedly gone to the dogs.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandra

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > And YM is that infamous ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan who ruled

> > like

> > > > a despot on the land the International Sahaja Yoga school was

> > built.

> > > > The corrupting power of being both landlord and director of

the

> > > > school is known to the few like Kash who crossed his path.

Yogi

> > > > Mahajan was a scheming dictator and propaganda minister the

likes

> > of

> > > > which i hope never to come across. His word (and web of lies

and

> > > > deceit) uttered on his estate in Dharamsala, India was law

unto

> > all

> > > > mortals under his jurisdiction, even prevailing over that of

Shri

> > > > Mataji thousands of miles away in Cabella, Italy.

> > > >

> > > > Thus when Shri Mataji overruled his decision to expel my son

as

> > Yogi

> > > > Mahajan believed Kash was demonic - since YM believed only

Satan

> > > > could empower this child to daily meet Her within his

Sahasrara at

> > > > will - Yogi Mahajan schemed with his crony Mrs. Chitnavis, the

> > > > headmistress appointed by his royal decree, to rid his estate

of

> > > > such satanic souls. Their plot more than fits the required

> > Bollywood

> > > > script mix of abusive, corrupt and nonsensical leaders who are

> > evil

> > > > incarnate in human bodies.

> > > >

> > > > To cut a long story short, after Shri Mataji refused to agree

to

> > > > YM's recommendations that my children be removed from

Dharamsala,

> > > > Kash was suddenly accused of committing the following crimes

in

> > > > quick succession:

> > > >

> > > > 1) that he was a gangster and leader of the school gang (after

a

> > few

> > > > of his friends, inspired by the movie, got together and formed

the

> > > > Dead Poets Society);

> > > >

> > > > 2) was showing porn to grade 6 girls (but no victim, witness

or

> > > > smut was produced as evidence);

> > > >

> > > > 3) was possessed by demons (and had to spend one month in

solitary

> > > > confinement to rid him of his demonic ability to meet and

converse

> > > > with the Adi Shakti and other messengers of God Almighty);

> > > >

> > > > 4) a silhouette was judged by the bespectacled principle Mrs.

> > > > Chitnavis as evidence he was lurking at night around the

girls'

> > > > dormitories (even though anyone with poor vision would find it

> > next

> > > > to impossible to recognize any shadow from i) a few hundred

yards

> > on

> > > > ii) a moonless night at iii) an impossible angle from her

office);

> > > >

> > > > There are other minor charges - like snacking after meals,

talking

> > > > with girls (while playing), coming late for havan (by a few

> > > > minutes) - that made Ted Bundy turn green with envy and

raging-red

> > > > jealous of Kash's rap sheet. Kash's brown skin was also a

> > > > disadvantage. According to Mrs. Chitnavis, his Indian genes

should

> > > > always behave better than those scheduled class Caucasians who

> > were

> > > > innocent by reason of pardesi color and spirituality-deficient

> > > > births for committing the same 'crimes'. (As i have said

before,

> > all

> > > > of us have had too much of Sahaj love and too much of it can

kill

> > .)

> > > >

> > > > So with all these new charges Shri Mataji was overruled

despite

> > Her

> > > > explicitly confirming that under no circumstance were any of

them

> > to

> > > > be sent back. Despite a second stay confirmation from Shri

Mataji

> > > > both brothers were exiled from the despot's kingdom. To

maximize

> > > > insult to injury both brothers had to spend the last few days

in a

> > > > run-down Dharamsala hotel, before being unceremoniously dumped

in

> > > > New Delhi.

> > > >

> > > > As these events in Dharamsala were unfolding and Kash kept in

> > > > isolation, Shri Mataji was on Her way to North America. i

prepared

> > a

> > > > letter before proceeding to Toronto on September 18, 1997,

with

> > the

> > > > intention of delivering it to Her.

> > > >

> > > > The next day i was warned by the Canadian leader Jay Chudasama

at

> > > > the Toronto ashram that i was in danger of being thrown out of

> > > > Sahaja Yoga if i persisted in accusing the school board of

> > > > wrongdoing. i replied that i was prepared to leave Sahaja

Yoga,

> > but

> > > > under no circumstances will i withdraw my letter.

> > > >

> > > > It was in this state of mind that i walked into Shri Mataji's

> > hotel

> > > > suite in Toronto on September 19, 1996, at about 4:15 p.m. and

> > > > prostrated completely (Ashtanga Namaskar) at Her Lotus Feet.

Shri

> > > > Mataji Nirmala Devi had summoned me (without even opening the

> > letter

> > > > which i had handed Her at Toronto's Pearson Airport) to

discuss

> > > > about my children at Her school in Dharamsala, India. SY Jay

> > > > Chudasama and Dr. Mishra were also present.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mahamaya asked me the most mundane of questions: " Are you

a

> > > > Sikh? " . . . " When did you join Sahaja Yoga? " . . . " What were

you

> > > > doing all the while? " . . . " Are you alright with your wife? "

> > There

> > > > was not a single query on Kash's spiritual journeys or any

related

> > > > topic.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then requested Kash and his younger

> > brother

> > > > be brought back to Canada. There was somehow not even the

> > slightest

> > > > ripple of reaction from me. For some reason, in my thoughtless

> > > > state, the most ridiculous of charges sounded like music to my

> > ears.

> > > > Shri Mataji had done Her best to keep Kash in Dharamsala

(twice

> > for

> > > > the matter), but the despot Yogi Mahajan was determined and

> > > > overturned even Her final decision. She had to defer to the

> > landlord

> > > > of Her school.

> > > >

> > > > When Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi had finished talking about the

> > school

> > > > board charges the issue of publishing this book was again

raised —

> > > > for the third time. i had accepted all allegations with

complete

> > > > calmness and was prepared for a negative answer. This would be

the

> > > > best opportunity for the Great Divine Mother to stop its

> > > > publication. Kash, the very child to whom Shri Maha Avatar

Shri

> > > > Nirmala Devi had revealed Her Ultimate Reality, was facing

serious

> > > > charges; accusations that he and his brother vehemently

denied.

> > > > (Their mother had already crumbled under the onslaught of

recent

> > > > events. It was she who reminded me to make sure that Shri

Mataji's

> > > > permission to publish Her book be again obtained. In her mind

> > these

> > > > revelations were still for the family only, and the Great

> > Primordial

> > > > Mother might terminate publication of this book — and finally

give

> > > > her family some peace of mind from the relentless onslaught of

> > > > negativity.) As far as i was concerned this would be the best

> > reason

> > > > and opportunity for Shri Mataji to cease work on the book

based on

> > a

> > > > child whom world leader Yogi Mahajan claimed to be a gangster

and

> > > > demon-possessed porn-peddler.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mataji told those present that permission had already

been

> > > > granted previously, and there was no need to ask again.

> > > >

> > > > i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my head in

> > > > Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory to the

Mother

> > !)

> > > > The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting with Her blessings

of

> > > > Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) in my endeavor.

> > > >

> > > > After that i waited for years before Shri Mataji expelled Yogi

> > > > Mahajan. As far as my family is concerned this is sweet

justice

> > > > meted upon the most powerful, abusive, corrupt and nonsensical

of

> > SY

> > > > leaders trying to destory Her Truth.

> > > >

> > > > Allan Wherry and his WCASY pals and Will-wannabee cronies like

> > John

> > > > Noyce, Ed Suagstad, Raj and others have since taken over where

> > Yogi

> > > > Mahajan left. So all of you just stay on the battlefield and

stand

> > > > your ground with all your murmurings, gossips, accusations,

lies

> > and

> > > > slanderings against my children and me. Allan Wherry, i will

see

> > how

> > > > many of your kind are left standing when the dust finally

settles.

> > > >

> > > > Jai Shri Ganapathi,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > jagbir

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, " sfacets " <sfacets

wrote:

 

" I totally agree that the leader situation in Sahaj has become something akin to

the rabbit/canetoad infestation in Australia, but to vilinize people left and

right cannot be right, considering that part of the blame should be passed on to

Sahajayogis who do not use their witness powers to discern any inapropriate

actions taken by 'leaders' who in turn may cause harm on others. "

 

Dear " S " ,

 

Since we have been 'wickedly villainizing' leaders left, right, and centre, they

have somewhat softened their attitudes, which is what happens when people stand

up to bullies. The time to tolerate 'villainous bullying' behaviour is over now.

If leaders and others have not learned by now that tactics of domination are not

going to be tolerated.... i just don't know. To repeat the refrain of a song: -

" When will they ever learn? When WILL they eeeeeeeever learn??? "

 

i wonder how much intelligence it really takes to understand that dominating

people is 'just not on'? Why is it that " leaders " are particularly prone to this

negativity. Maybe, by sacking leader after leader, Shri Mataji was making a

statement, that we should never forget.

 

Every time Shri Mataji came to town, it seemed that a leader 'hit the dust' for

one reason or another. In a manner of speaking.... it could be said that Shri

Mataji 'villainized' the 'villains' right off the stage of Sahaja Yoga.

 

If Sahaja Yogis accept such leaders, then that is what they are going to be

'served up'. Mother is not in a position anymore to send them away like She used

to, since they have usurped Her Will. It is up to us now to stand up to these

bullies, who are only supposed to be administrative 'stamp lickers' and 'letter

posters'. If we allow them to be anything more, then like you say, " S " , we are

just not using our spiritual discernment.

 

violet

 

 

> Hi Violet,

>

> Well considering that we basically grew up in Dharamsala, there

can't

> be too many I remember at the time in the early years of the

school

> we were all in " awe " (for lack of a better word) of YM probably

> something to do with the beard and uncanny ability to not smile.

ever.

> My point is once I asked the girl in question what it was like

having

> YM as a father, and she answered something to the effect that it

> wasn't a big deal... and I can attest that no special favours were

> shown to her because of who her father was. I totally agrree that

the

> leader situation in Sahaj has become something akin to the

> rabbit/canetoad infestation in Australia, but to vilinize people

left

> and right cannot be right, considering that part of the blame should

> be passed on to Sahajayogis who do not use their witness powers to

> discern any inapropriate actions taken by 'leaders' who in turn may

> cause harm on others.

>

> S

>

>

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear " S " ,

> >

> > i am sure that many others have also grown up with the young lady,

who

> > apparently... ONCE... was a " pesky " little girl, when she went

> around telling people who her father was, thus making people feel

> rather intimidated. It is common knowledge that this is a frequent

> scenario in church congregations, with the minister's wife and

> children also wielding their authority, in just such a manner.

> >

> > " Leaders " .... especially those who consider themselves to be very

> important, (and we have proof that this was the case with this

girl's

> father, because he did not even defer to Shri Mataji's wishes in a

> particular matter)....well, they, their wife and children become a

> sort of 'public property', just like any other public figure becomes

> 'public property', because of the role they take.

> >

> > Therefore, if someone objects to the 'minister's daughter'

wielding

> her authority, they do so in her role as the minister's daughter and

> not as the person herself. Therefore, for yourself to jump in and

take

> issue on what is a 'public' and not a 'private' issue, is

inappropriate.

> >

> > If facts be spoken, what should really offend you, is that this

very

> girl's father, abused his leadership authority and called innocent

> children as " possessed " . i am sure Jagbir would not have minded one

> bit if his children had been called " pesky " instead of " possessed " .

> >

> > So, lets stick to the facts, shall we. We are just too well

informed

> on this forum to be whitewashed by idle banter.

> >

> > kind regards,

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sfacets " <sfacets@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Having grown up alongside this " Pesky little girl " I can attest

that

> > > she was treated no different to other children. Believing

rumours

> > and

> > > idle banter, and worse, respond to it, makes you better than

those

> > you

> > > criticise how? To keep with your analogy, give a dog a bone, and

> > he'll

> > > be back for more. Please keep with facts, and try to refrain

from

> > > going on tangents.

> > > Respect and love,

> > > S

> > >

> > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > , " my2pai "

<my2pai@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sohniya and everybody,

> > > > >

> > > > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with the

> > > > > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common problem

> > > > > indeed in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the

internal

> > > > > obstacles they have to overcome and then they have more

> > headaches

> > > > > in the form of the local Sahaj mafia hoods.

> > > > >

> > > > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the

leaders

> > > > > can get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India

Tour,

> > some

> > > > > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged

about

> > > > > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do you

know

> > > > > that my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently senior

SYs

> > > > > were checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-my-

father-

> > is

> > > > > gambit of this pesky kid.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the leaders

> > even

> > > > > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a

Puja

> > > > > speech where She speaks about the problem: " If we appoint

> > somebody

> > > > > as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's really

the

> > > > > leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him because

he

> > > > > starts losing everything that is leadership. But the worst

is,

> > > > > their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and

sometimes

> > the

> > > > > children also think that way and I won't be surprised even

if

> > > > > their dogs and pets behave that way. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have become

the

> > > > > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj

leaders

> > have

> > > > > really and deservedly gone to the dogs.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandra

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > And YM is that infamous ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan who ruled

> > like

> > > > a despot on the land the International Sahaja Yoga school was

> > built.

> > > > The corrupting power of being both landlord and director of

the

> > > > school is known to the few like Kash who crossed his path.

Yogi

> > > > Mahajan was a scheming dictator and propaganda minister the

likes

> > of

> > > > which i hope never to come across. His word (and web of lies

and

> > > > deceit) uttered on his estate in Dharamsala, India was law

unto

> > all

> > > > mortals under his jurisdiction, even prevailing over that of

Shri

> > > > Mataji thousands of miles away in Cabella, Italy.

> > > >

> > > > Thus when Shri Mataji overruled his decision to expel my son

as

> > Yogi

> > > > Mahajan believed Kash was demonic - since YM believed only

Satan

> > > > could empower this child to daily meet Her within his

Sahasrara at

> > > > will - Yogi Mahajan schemed with his crony Mrs. Chitnavis, the

> > > > headmistress appointed by his royal decree, to rid his estate

of

> > > > such satanic souls. Their plot more than fits the required

> > Bollywood

> > > > script mix of abusive, corrupt and nonsensical leaders who are

> > evil

> > > > incarnate in human bodies.

> > > >

> > > > To cut a long story short, after Shri Mataji refused to agree

to

> > > > YM's recommendations that my children be removed from

Dharamsala,

> > > > Kash was suddenly accused of committing the following crimes

in

> > > > quick succession:

> > > >

> > > > 1) that he was a gangster and leader of the school gang (after

a

> > few

> > > > of his friends, inspired by the movie, got together and formed

the

> > > > Dead Poets Society);

> > > >

> > > > 2) was showing porn to grade 6 girls (but no victim, witness

or

> > > > smut was produced as evidence);

> > > >

> > > > 3) was possessed by demons (and had to spend one month in

solitary

> > > > confinement to rid him of his demonic ability to meet and

converse

> > > > with the Adi Shakti and other messengers of God Almighty);

> > > >

> > > > 4) a silhouette was judged by the bespectacled principle Mrs.

> > > > Chitnavis as evidence he was lurking at night around the

girls'

> > > > dormitories (even though anyone with poor vision would find it

> > next

> > > > to impossible to recognize any shadow from i) a few hundred

yards

> > on

> > > > ii) a moonless night at iii) an impossible angle from her

office);

> > > >

> > > > There are other minor charges - like snacking after meals,

talking

> > > > with girls (while playing), coming late for havan (by a few

> > > > minutes) - that made Ted Bundy turn green with envy and

raging-red

> > > > jealous of Kash's rap sheet. Kash's brown skin was also a

> > > > disadvantage. According to Mrs. Chitnavis, his Indian genes

should

> > > > always behave better than those scheduled class Caucasians who

> > were

> > > > innocent by reason of pardesi color and spirituality-deficient

> > > > births for committing the same 'crimes'. (As i have said

before,

> > all

> > > > of us have had too much of Sahaj love and too much of it can

kill

> > .)

> > > >

> > > > So with all these new charges Shri Mataji was overruled

despite

> > Her

> > > > explicitly confirming that under no circumstance were any of

them

> > to

> > > > be sent back. Despite a second stay confirmation from Shri

Mataji

> > > > both brothers were exiled from the despot's kingdom. To

maximize

> > > > insult to injury both brothers had to spend the last few days

in a

> > > > run-down Dharamsala hotel, before being unceremoniously dumped

in

> > > > New Delhi.

> > > >

> > > > As these events in Dharamsala were unfolding and Kash kept in

> > > > isolation, Shri Mataji was on Her way to North America. i

prepared

> > a

> > > > letter before proceeding to Toronto on September 18, 1997,

with

> > the

> > > > intention of delivering it to Her.

> > > >

> > > > The next day i was warned by the Canadian leader Jay Chudasama

at

> > > > the Toronto ashram that i was in danger of being thrown out of

> > > > Sahaja Yoga if i persisted in accusing the school board of

> > > > wrongdoing. i replied that i was prepared to leave Sahaja

Yoga,

> > but

> > > > under no circumstances will i withdraw my letter.

> > > >

> > > > It was in this state of mind that i walked into Shri Mataji's

> > hotel

> > > > suite in Toronto on September 19, 1996, at about 4:15 p.m. and

> > > > prostrated completely (Ashtanga Namaskar) at Her Lotus Feet.

Shri

> > > > Mataji Nirmala Devi had summoned me (without even opening the

> > letter

> > > > which i had handed Her at Toronto's Pearson Airport) to

discuss

> > > > about my children at Her school in Dharamsala, India. SY Jay

> > > > Chudasama and Dr. Mishra were also present.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mahamaya asked me the most mundane of questions: " Are you

a

> > > > Sikh? " . . . " When did you join Sahaja Yoga? " . . . " What were

you

> > > > doing all the while? " . . . " Are you alright with your wife? "

> > There

> > > > was not a single query on Kash's spiritual journeys or any

related

> > > > topic.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then requested Kash and his younger

> > brother

> > > > be brought back to Canada. There was somehow not even the

> > slightest

> > > > ripple of reaction from me. For some reason, in my thoughtless

> > > > state, the most ridiculous of charges sounded like music to my

> > ears.

> > > > Shri Mataji had done Her best to keep Kash in Dharamsala

(twice

> > for

> > > > the matter), but the despot Yogi Mahajan was determined and

> > > > overturned even Her final decision. She had to defer to the

> > landlord

> > > > of Her school.

> > > >

> > > > When Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi had finished talking about the

> > school

> > > > board charges the issue of publishing this book was again

raised —

> > > > for the third time. i had accepted all allegations with

complete

> > > > calmness and was prepared for a negative answer. This would be

the

> > > > best opportunity for the Great Divine Mother to stop its

> > > > publication. Kash, the very child to whom Shri Maha Avatar

Shri

> > > > Nirmala Devi had revealed Her Ultimate Reality, was facing

serious

> > > > charges; accusations that he and his brother vehemently

denied.

> > > > (Their mother had already crumbled under the onslaught of

recent

> > > > events. It was she who reminded me to make sure that Shri

Mataji's

> > > > permission to publish Her book be again obtained. In her mind

> > these

> > > > revelations were still for the family only, and the Great

> > Primordial

> > > > Mother might terminate publication of this book — and finally

give

> > > > her family some peace of mind from the relentless onslaught of

> > > > negativity.) As far as i was concerned this would be the best

> > reason

> > > > and opportunity for Shri Mataji to cease work on the book

based on

> > a

> > > > child whom world leader Yogi Mahajan claimed to be a gangster

and

> > > > demon-possessed porn-peddler.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mataji told those present that permission had already

been

> > > > granted previously, and there was no need to ask again.

> > > >

> > > > i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my head in

> > > > Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory to the

Mother

> > !)

> > > > The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting with Her blessings

of

> > > > Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) in my endeavor.

> > > >

> > > > After that i waited for years before Shri Mataji expelled Yogi

> > > > Mahajan. As far as my family is concerned this is sweet

justice

> > > > meted upon the most powerful, abusive, corrupt and nonsensical

of

> > SY

> > > > leaders trying to destory Her Truth.

> > > >

> > > > Allan Wherry and his WCASY pals and Will-wannabee cronies like

> > John

> > > > Noyce, Ed Suagstad, Raj and others have since taken over where

> > Yogi

> > > > Mahajan left. So all of you just stay on the battlefield and

stand

> > > > your ground with all your murmurings, gossips, accusations,

lies

> > and

> > > > slanderings against my children and me. Allan Wherry, i will

see

> > how

> > > > many of your kind are left standing when the dust finally

settles.

> > > >

> > > > Jai Shri Ganapathi,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > jagbir

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " sfacets " <sfacets

wrote:

>

> Hi Violet,

>

> Well considering that we basically grew up in Dharamsala, there

can't

> be too many I remember at the time in the early years of the

school

> we were all in " awe " (for lack of a better word) of YM probably

> something to do with the beard and uncanny ability to not smile.

ever.

> My point is once I asked the girl in question what it was like

having

> YM as a father, and she answered something to the effect that it

> wasn't a big deal... and I can attest that no special favours were

> shown to her because of who her father was. I totally agrree that

the

> leader situation in Sahaj has become something akin to the

> rabbit/canetoad infestation in Australia, but to vilinize people

left

> and right cannot be right, considering that part of the blame should

> be passed on to Sahajayogis who do not use their witness powers to

> discern any inapropriate actions taken by 'leaders' who in turn may

> cause harm on others.

>

> S

>

>

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear " S " ,

> >

> > i am sure that many others have also grown up with the young lady,

who

> > apparently... ONCE... was a " pesky " little girl, when she went

> around telling people who her father was, thus making people feel

> rather intimidated. It is common knowledge that this is a frequent

> scenario in church congregations, with the minister's wife and

> children also wielding their authority, in just such a manner.

> >

> > " Leaders " .... especially those who consider themselves to be very

> important, (and we have proof that this was the case with this

girl's

> father, because he did not even defer to Shri Mataji's wishes in a

> particular matter)....well, they, their wife and children become a

> sort of 'public property', just like any other public figure becomes

> 'public property', because of the role they take.

> >

> > Therefore, if someone objects to the 'minister's daughter'

wielding

> her authority, they do so in her role as the minister's daughter and

> not as the person herself. Therefore, for yourself to jump in and

take

> issue on what is a 'public' and not a 'private' issue, is

inappropriate.

> >

> > If facts be spoken, what should really offend you, is that this

very

> girl's father, abused his leadership authority and called innocent

> children as " possessed " . i am sure Jagbir would not have minded one

> bit if his children had been called " pesky " instead of " possessed " .

> >

> > So, lets stick to the facts, shall we. We are just too well

informed

> on this forum to be whitewashed by idle banter.

> >

> > kind regards,

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sfacets " <sfacets@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Having grown up alongside this " Pesky little girl " I can attest

that

> > > she was treated no different to other children. Believing

rumours

> > and

> > > idle banter, and worse, respond to it, makes you better than

those

> > you

> > > criticise how? To keep with your analogy, give a dog a bone, and

> > he'll

> > > be back for more. Please keep with facts, and try to refrain

from

> > > going on tangents.

> > > Respect and love,

> > > S

> > >

> > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > , " my2pai "

<my2pai@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sohniya and everybody,

> > > > >

> > > > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with the

> > > > > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common problem

> > > > > indeed in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the

internal

> > > > > obstacles they have to overcome and then they have more

> > headaches

> > > > > in the form of the local Sahaj mafia hoods.

> > > > >

> > > > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the

leaders

> > > > > can get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India

Tour,

> > some

> > > > > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged

about

> > > > > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do you

know

> > > > > that my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently senior

SYs

> > > > > were checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-my-

father-

> > is

> > > > > gambit of this pesky kid.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the leaders

> > even

> > > > > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a

Puja

> > > > > speech where She speaks about the problem: " If we appoint

> > somebody

> > > > > as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's really

the

> > > > > leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him because

he

> > > > > starts losing everything that is leadership. But the worst

is,

> > > > > their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and

sometimes

> > the

> > > > > children also think that way and I won't be surprised even

if

> > > > > their dogs and pets behave that way. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have become

the

> > > > > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj

leaders

> > have

> > > > > really and deservedly gone to the dogs.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandra

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > And YM is that infamous ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan who ruled

> > like

> > > > a despot on the land the International Sahaja Yoga school was

> > built.

> > > > The corrupting power of being both landlord and director of

the

> > > > school is known to the few like Kash who crossed his path.

Yogi

> > > > Mahajan was a scheming dictator and propaganda minister the

likes

> > of

> > > > which i hope never to come across. His word (and web of lies

and

> > > > deceit) uttered on his estate in Dharamsala, India was law

unto

> > all

> > > > mortals under his jurisdiction, even prevailing over that of

Shri

> > > > Mataji thousands of miles away in Cabella, Italy.

> > > >

> > > > Thus when Shri Mataji overruled his decision to expel my son

as

> > Yogi

> > > > Mahajan believed Kash was demonic - since YM believed only

Satan

> > > > could empower this child to daily meet Her within his

Sahasrara at

> > > > will - Yogi Mahajan schemed with his crony Mrs. Chitnavis, the

> > > > headmistress appointed by his royal decree, to rid his estate

of

> > > > such satanic souls. Their plot more than fits the required

> > Bollywood

> > > > script mix of abusive, corrupt and nonsensical leaders who are

> > evil

> > > > incarnate in human bodies.

> > > >

> > > > To cut a long story short, after Shri Mataji refused to agree

to

> > > > YM's recommendations that my children be removed from

Dharamsala,

> > > > Kash was suddenly accused of committing the following crimes

in

> > > > quick succession:

> > > >

> > > > 1) that he was a gangster and leader of the school gang (after

a

> > few

> > > > of his friends, inspired by the movie, got together and formed

the

> > > > Dead Poets Society);

> > > >

> > > > 2) was showing porn to grade 6 girls (but no victim, witness

or

> > > > smut was produced as evidence);

> > > >

> > > > 3) was possessed by demons (and had to spend one month in

solitary

> > > > confinement to rid him of his demonic ability to meet and

converse

> > > > with the Adi Shakti and other messengers of God Almighty);

> > > >

> > > > 4) a silhouette was judged by the bespectacled principle Mrs.

> > > > Chitnavis as evidence he was lurking at night around the

girls'

> > > > dormitories (even though anyone with poor vision would find it

> > next

> > > > to impossible to recognize any shadow from i) a few hundred

yards

> > on

> > > > ii) a moonless night at iii) an impossible angle from her

office);

> > > >

> > > > There are other minor charges - like snacking after meals,

talking

> > > > with girls (while playing), coming late for havan (by a few

> > > > minutes) - that made Ted Bundy turn green with envy and

raging-red

> > > > jealous of Kash's rap sheet. Kash's brown skin was also a

> > > > disadvantage. According to Mrs. Chitnavis, his Indian genes

should

> > > > always behave better than those scheduled class Caucasians who

> > were

> > > > innocent by reason of pardesi color and spirituality-deficient

> > > > births for committing the same 'crimes'. (As i have said

before,

> > all

> > > > of us have had too much of Sahaj love and too much of it can

kill

> > .)

> > > >

> > > > So with all these new charges Shri Mataji was overruled

despite

> > Her

> > > > explicitly confirming that under no circumstance were any of

them

> > to

> > > > be sent back. Despite a second stay confirmation from Shri

Mataji

> > > > both brothers were exiled from the despot's kingdom. To

maximize

> > > > insult to injury both brothers had to spend the last few days

in a

> > > > run-down Dharamsala hotel, before being unceremoniously dumped

in

> > > > New Delhi.

> > > >

> > > > As these events in Dharamsala were unfolding and Kash kept in

> > > > isolation, Shri Mataji was on Her way to North America. i

prepared

> > a

> > > > letter before proceeding to Toronto on September 18, 1997,

with

> > the

> > > > intention of delivering it to Her.

> > > >

> > > > The next day i was warned by the Canadian leader Jay Chudasama

at

> > > > the Toronto ashram that i was in danger of being thrown out of

> > > > Sahaja Yoga if i persisted in accusing the school board of

> > > > wrongdoing. i replied that i was prepared to leave Sahaja

Yoga,

> > but

> > > > under no circumstances will i withdraw my letter.

> > > >

> > > > It was in this state of mind that i walked into Shri Mataji's

> > hotel

> > > > suite in Toronto on September 19, 1996, at about 4:15 p.m. and

> > > > prostrated completely (Ashtanga Namaskar) at Her Lotus Feet.

Shri

> > > > Mataji Nirmala Devi had summoned me (without even opening the

> > letter

> > > > which i had handed Her at Toronto's Pearson Airport) to

discuss

> > > > about my children at Her school in Dharamsala, India. SY Jay

> > > > Chudasama and Dr. Mishra were also present.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mahamaya asked me the most mundane of questions: " Are you

a

> > > > Sikh? " . . . " When did you join Sahaja Yoga? " . . . " What were

you

> > > > doing all the while? " . . . " Are you alright with your wife? "

> > There

> > > > was not a single query on Kash's spiritual journeys or any

related

> > > > topic.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then requested Kash and his younger

> > brother

> > > > be brought back to Canada. There was somehow not even the

> > slightest

> > > > ripple of reaction from me. For some reason, in my thoughtless

> > > > state, the most ridiculous of charges sounded like music to my

> > ears.

> > > > Shri Mataji had done Her best to keep Kash in Dharamsala

(twice

> > for

> > > > the matter), but the despot Yogi Mahajan was determined and

> > > > overturned even Her final decision. She had to defer to the

> > landlord

> > > > of Her school.

> > > >

> > > > When Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi had finished talking about the

> > school

> > > > board charges the issue of publishing this book was again

raised —

> > > > for the third time. i had accepted all allegations with

complete

> > > > calmness and was prepared for a negative answer. This would be

the

> > > > best opportunity for the Great Divine Mother to stop its

> > > > publication. Kash, the very child to whom Shri Maha Avatar

Shri

> > > > Nirmala Devi had revealed Her Ultimate Reality, was facing

serious

> > > > charges; accusations that he and his brother vehemently

denied.

> > > > (Their mother had already crumbled under the onslaught of

recent

> > > > events. It was she who reminded me to make sure that Shri

Mataji's

> > > > permission to publish Her book be again obtained. In her mind

> > these

> > > > revelations were still for the family only, and the Great

> > Primordial

> > > > Mother might terminate publication of this book — and finally

give

> > > > her family some peace of mind from the relentless onslaught of

> > > > negativity.) As far as i was concerned this would be the best

> > reason

> > > > and opportunity for Shri Mataji to cease work on the book

based on

> > a

> > > > child whom world leader Yogi Mahajan claimed to be a gangster

and

> > > > demon-possessed porn-peddler.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mataji told those present that permission had already

been

> > > > granted previously, and there was no need to ask again.

> > > >

> > > > i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my head in

> > > > Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory to the

Mother

> > !)

> > > > The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting with Her blessings

of

> > > > Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) in my endeavor.

> > > >

> > > > After that i waited for years before Shri Mataji expelled Yogi

> > > > Mahajan. As far as my family is concerned this is sweet

justice

> > > > meted upon the most powerful, abusive, corrupt and nonsensical

of

> > SY

> > > > leaders trying to destory Her Truth.

> > > >

> > > > Allan Wherry and his WCASY pals and Will-wannabee cronies like

> > John

> > > > Noyce, Ed Suagstad, Raj and others have since taken over where

> > Yogi

> > > > Mahajan left. So all of you just stay on the battlefield and

stand

> > > > your ground with all your murmurings, gossips, accusations,

lies

> > and

> > > > slanderings against my children and me. Allan Wherry, i will

see

> > how

> > > > many of your kind are left standing when the dust finally

settles.

> > > >

> > > > Jai Shri Ganapathi,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > jagbir

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, " Violet " <violet.tubb@.

...> wrote:

 

" If Sahaja Yogis accept such leaders, then that is what they are going to be

'served up'. Mother is not in a position anymore to send them away like She used

to, since they have usurped Her Will. It is up to us now to stand up to these

bullies, who are only supposed to be administrative 'stamp lickers' and 'letter

posters'. If we allow them to be anything more, then as you say, " S " , we are

just not using our spiritual discernment "

 

Dear All,

 

If i had ever thought that Shri Mataji would eventually give Her Will over to a

few SY's, i would have left the organization years ago, knowing that no True

Guru, let alone Adi Shakti would ever do that.

 

As it stands, if that had been Shri Mataji's wish, why did She not

institutionalize Her Will into these leaders years ago, and put it into writing?

(This is a rhetorical queston; it does not need to be

answered).

 

Oh, yes......(i almost forgot)......and why is it that only at the same time

that She is given risperidone, that Her Will has finally been transferred to

these villains? (This is a rhetorical queston which doesn't need answering

either).

 

violet

 

 

> , " sfacets " <sfacets@>

> wrote:

>

> " I totally agree that the leader situation in Sahaj has become

something akin to the rabbit/canetoad infestation in Australia, but to

vilinize people left and right cannot be right, considering that part

of the blame should be passed on to Sahajayogis who do not use their

witness powers to discern any inapropriate actions taken by 'leaders'

who in turn may cause harm on others. "

>

> Dear " S " ,

>

> Since we have been 'wickedly villainizing' leaders left, right, and

centre, they have somewhat softened their attitudes, which is what

happens when people stand up to bullies. The time to tolerate

'villainous bullying' behaviour is over now. If leaders and others

have not learned by now that tactics of domination are not going to be

tolerated.... i just don't know. To repeat the refrain of a song: -

" When will they ever learn? When WILL they eeeeeeeever learn??? "

>

> i wonder how much intelligence it really takes to understand that

dominating people is 'just not on'? Why is it that " leaders " are

particularly prone to this negativity. Maybe, by sacking leader after

leader, Shri Mataji was making a statement, that we should never

forget.

>

> Every time Shri Mataji came to town, it seemed that a leader 'hit

the dust' for one reason or another. In a manner of speaking.... it

could be said that Shri Mataji 'villainized' the 'villains' right off

the stage of Sahaja Yoga.

>

> If Sahaja Yogis accept such leaders, then that is what they are

going to be 'served up'. Mother is not in a position anymore to send

them away like She used to, since they have usurped Her Will. It is up

to us now to stand up to these bullies, who are only supposed to be

administrative 'stamp lickers' and 'letter posters'. If we allow them

to be anything more, then like you say, " S " , we are just not using our

spiritual discernment.

>

> violet

>

>

> > Hi Violet,

> >

> > Well considering that we basically grew up in Dharamsala, there

> can't

> > be too many I remember at the time in the early years of the

> school

> > we were all in " awe " (for lack of a better word) of YM probably

> > something to do with the beard and uncanny ability to not smile.

> ever.

> > My point is once I asked the girl in question what it was like

> having

> > YM as a father, and she answered something to the effect that it

> > wasn't a big deal... and I can attest that no special favours were

> > shown to her because of who her father was. I totally agrree that

> the

> > leader situation in Sahaj has become something akin to the

> > rabbit/canetoad infestation in Australia, but to vilinize people

> left

> > and right cannot be right, considering that part of the blame

should

> > be passed on to Sahajayogis who do not use their witness powers to

> > discern any inapropriate actions taken by 'leaders' who in turn

may

> > cause harm on others.

> >

> > S

> >

> >

> > , " Violet "

> > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear " S " ,

> > >

> > > i am sure that many others have also grown up with the young

lady,

> who

> > > apparently... ONCE... was a " pesky " little girl, when she went

> > around telling people who her father was, thus making people feel

> > rather intimidated. It is common knowledge that this is a frequent

> > scenario in church congregations, with the minister's wife and

> > children also wielding their authority, in just such a manner.

> > >

> > > " Leaders " .... especially those who consider themselves to be

very

> > important, (and we have proof that this was the case with this

> girl's

> > father, because he did not even defer to Shri Mataji's wishes in a

> > particular matter)....well, they, their wife and children become a

> > sort of 'public property', just like any other public figure

becomes

> > 'public property', because of the role they take.

> > >

> > > Therefore, if someone objects to the 'minister's daughter'

> wielding

> > her authority, they do so in her role as the minister's daughter

and

> > not as the person herself. Therefore, for yourself to jump in and

> take

> > issue on what is a 'public' and not a 'private' issue, is

> inappropriate.

> > >

> > > If facts be spoken, what should really offend you, is that this

> very

> > girl's father, abused his leadership authority and called innocent

> > children as " possessed " . i am sure Jagbir would not have minded

one

> > bit if his children had been called " pesky " instead of

" possessed " .

> > >

> > > So, lets stick to the facts, shall we. We are just too well

> informed

> > on this forum to be whitewashed by idle banter.

> > >

> > > kind regards,

> > >

> > > violet

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " sfacets " <sfacets@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Having grown up alongside this " Pesky little girl " I can

attest

> that

> > > > she was treated no different to other children. Believing

> rumours

> > > and

> > > > idle banter, and worse, respond to it, makes you better than

> those

> > > you

> > > > criticise how? To keep with your analogy, give a dog a bone,

and

> > > he'll

> > > > be back for more. Please keep with facts, and try to refrain

> from

> > > > going on tangents.

> > > > Respect and love,

> > > > S

> > > >

> > > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > , " my2pai "

> <my2pai@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sohniya and everybody,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with the

> > > > > > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common

problem

> > > > > > indeed in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the

> internal

> > > > > > obstacles they have to overcome and then they have more

> > > headaches

> > > > > > in the form of the local Sahaj mafia hoods.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the

> leaders

> > > > > > can get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India

> Tour,

> > > some

> > > > > > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged

> about

> > > > > > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do you

> know

> > > > > > that my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently

senior

> SYs

> > > > > > were checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-my-

> father-

> > > is

> > > > > > gambit of this pesky kid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the

leaders

> > > even

> > > > > > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a

> Puja

> > > > > > speech where She speaks about the problem: " If we appoint

> > > somebody

> > > > > > as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's

really

> the

> > > > > > leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him

because

> he

> > > > > > starts losing everything that is leadership. But the worst

> is,

> > > > > > their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and

> sometimes

> > > the

> > > > > > children also think that way and I won't be surprised even

> if

> > > > > > their dogs and pets behave that way. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have become

> the

> > > > > > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj

> leaders

> > > have

> > > > > > really and deservedly gone to the dogs.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > And YM is that infamous ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan who

ruled

> > > like

> > > > > a despot on the land the International Sahaja Yoga school

was

> > > built.

> > > > > The corrupting power of being both landlord and director of

> the

> > > > > school is known to the few like Kash who crossed his path.

> Yogi

> > > > > Mahajan was a scheming dictator and propaganda minister the

> likes

> > > of

> > > > > which i hope never to come across. His word (and web of lies

> and

> > > > > deceit) uttered on his estate in Dharamsala, India was law

> unto

> > > all

> > > > > mortals under his jurisdiction, even prevailing over that of

> Shri

> > > > > Mataji thousands of miles away in Cabella, Italy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus when Shri Mataji overruled his decision to expel my son

> as

> > > Yogi

> > > > > Mahajan believed Kash was demonic - since YM believed only

> Satan

> > > > > could empower this child to daily meet Her within his

> Sahasrara at

> > > > > will - Yogi Mahajan schemed with his crony Mrs. Chitnavis,

the

> > > > > headmistress appointed by his royal decree, to rid his

estate

> of

> > > > > such satanic souls. Their plot more than fits the required

> > > Bollywood

> > > > > script mix of abusive, corrupt and nonsensical leaders who

are

> > > evil

> > > > > incarnate in human bodies.

> > > > >

> > > > > To cut a long story short, after Shri Mataji refused to

agree

> to

> > > > > YM's recommendations that my children be removed from

> Dharamsala,

> > > > > Kash was suddenly accused of committing the following crimes

> in

> > > > > quick succession:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) that he was a gangster and leader of the school gang

(after

> a

> > > few

> > > > > of his friends, inspired by the movie, got together and

formed

> the

> > > > > Dead Poets Society);

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) was showing porn to grade 6 girls (but no victim, witness

> or

> > > > > smut was produced as evidence);

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) was possessed by demons (and had to spend one month in

> solitary

> > > > > confinement to rid him of his demonic ability to meet and

> converse

> > > > > with the Adi Shakti and other messengers of God Almighty);

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) a silhouette was judged by the bespectacled principle

Mrs.

> > > > > Chitnavis as evidence he was lurking at night around the

> girls'

> > > > > dormitories (even though anyone with poor vision would find

it

> > > next

> > > > > to impossible to recognize any shadow from i) a few hundred

> yards

> > > on

> > > > > ii) a moonless night at iii) an impossible angle from her

> office);

> > > > >

> > > > > There are other minor charges - like snacking after meals,

> talking

> > > > > with girls (while playing), coming late for havan (by a few

> > > > > minutes) - that made Ted Bundy turn green with envy and

> raging-red

> > > > > jealous of Kash's rap sheet. Kash's brown skin was also a

> > > > > disadvantage. According to Mrs. Chitnavis, his Indian genes

> should

> > > > > always behave better than those scheduled class Caucasians

who

> > > were

> > > > > innocent by reason of pardesi color and spirituality-

deficient

> > > > > births for committing the same 'crimes'. (As i have said

> before,

> > > all

> > > > > of us have had too much of Sahaj love and too much of it can

> kill

> > > .)

> > > > >

> > > > > So with all these new charges Shri Mataji was overruled

> despite

> > > Her

> > > > > explicitly confirming that under no circumstance were any of

> them

> > > to

> > > > > be sent back. Despite a second stay confirmation from Shri

> Mataji

> > > > > both brothers were exiled from the despot's kingdom. To

> maximize

> > > > > insult to injury both brothers had to spend the last few

days

> in a

> > > > > run-down Dharamsala hotel, before being unceremoniously

dumped

> in

> > > > > New Delhi.

> > > > >

> > > > > As these events in Dharamsala were unfolding and Kash kept

in

> > > > > isolation, Shri Mataji was on Her way to North America. i

> prepared

> > > a

> > > > > letter before proceeding to Toronto on September 18, 1997,

> with

> > > the

> > > > > intention of delivering it to Her.

> > > > >

> > > > > The next day i was warned by the Canadian leader Jay

Chudasama

> at

> > > > > the Toronto ashram that i was in danger of being thrown out

of

> > > > > Sahaja Yoga if i persisted in accusing the school board of

> > > > > wrongdoing. i replied that i was prepared to leave Sahaja

> Yoga,

> > > but

> > > > > under no circumstances will i withdraw my letter.

> > > > >

> > > > > It was in this state of mind that i walked into Shri

Mataji's

> > > hotel

> > > > > suite in Toronto on September 19, 1996, at about 4:15 p.m.

and

> > > > > prostrated completely (Ashtanga Namaskar) at Her Lotus Feet.

> Shri

> > > > > Mataji Nirmala Devi had summoned me (without even opening

the

> > > letter

> > > > > which i had handed Her at Toronto's Pearson Airport) to

> discuss

> > > > > about my children at Her school in Dharamsala, India. SY Jay

> > > > > Chudasama and Dr. Mishra were also present.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Mahamaya asked me the most mundane of questions: " Are

you

> a

> > > > > Sikh? " . . . " When did you join Sahaja Yoga? " . . . " What

were

> you

> > > > > doing all the while? " . . . " Are you alright with your wife?

"

> > > There

> > > > > was not a single query on Kash's spiritual journeys or any

> related

> > > > > topic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then requested Kash and his younger

> > > brother

> > > > > be brought back to Canada. There was somehow not even the

> > > slightest

> > > > > ripple of reaction from me. For some reason, in my

thoughtless

> > > > > state, the most ridiculous of charges sounded like music to

my

> > > ears.

> > > > > Shri Mataji had done Her best to keep Kash in Dharamsala

> (twice

> > > for

> > > > > the matter), but the despot Yogi Mahajan was determined and

> > > > > overturned even Her final decision. She had to defer to the

> > > landlord

> > > > > of Her school.

> > > > >

> > > > > When Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi had finished talking about the

> > > school

> > > > > board charges the issue of publishing this book was again

> raised —

> > > > > for the third time. i had accepted all allegations with

> complete

> > > > > calmness and was prepared for a negative answer. This would

be

> the

> > > > > best opportunity for the Great Divine Mother to stop its

> > > > > publication. Kash, the very child to whom Shri Maha Avatar

> Shri

> > > > > Nirmala Devi had revealed Her Ultimate Reality, was facing

> serious

> > > > > charges; accusations that he and his brother vehemently

> denied.

> > > > > (Their mother had already crumbled under the onslaught of

> recent

> > > > > events. It was she who reminded me to make sure that Shri

> Mataji's

> > > > > permission to publish Her book be again obtained. In her

mind

> > > these

> > > > > revelations were still for the family only, and the Great

> > > Primordial

> > > > > Mother might terminate publication of this book — and

finally

> give

> > > > > her family some peace of mind from the relentless onslaught

of

> > > > > negativity.) As far as i was concerned this would be the

best

> > > reason

> > > > > and opportunity for Shri Mataji to cease work on the book

> based on

> > > a

> > > > > child whom world leader Yogi Mahajan claimed to be a

gangster

> and

> > > > > demon-possessed porn-peddler.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Mataji told those present that permission had already

> been

> > > > > granted previously, and there was no need to ask again.

> > > > >

> > > > > i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my head in

> > > > > Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory to the

> Mother

> > > !)

> > > > > The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting with Her blessings

> of

> > > > > Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) in my endeavor.

> > > > >

> > > > > After that i waited for years before Shri Mataji expelled

Yogi

> > > > > Mahajan. As far as my family is concerned this is sweet

> justice

> > > > > meted upon the most powerful, abusive, corrupt and

nonsensical

> of

> > > SY

> > > > > leaders trying to destory Her Truth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Allan Wherry and his WCASY pals and Will-wannabee cronies

like

> > > John

> > > > > Noyce, Ed Suagstad, Raj and others have since taken over

where

> > > Yogi

> > > > > Mahajan left. So all of you just stay on the battlefield and

> stand

> > > > > your ground with all your murmurings, gossips, accusations,

> lies

> > > and

> > > > > slanderings against my children and me. Allan Wherry, i will

> see

> > > how

> > > > > many of your kind are left standing when the dust finally

> settles.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jai Shri Ganapathi,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > jagbir

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

, " sfacets " <sfacets@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Violet,

> >

> > Well considering that we basically grew up in Dharamsala, there

> can't

> > be too many I remember at the time in the early years of the

> school

> > we were all in " awe " (for lack of a better word) of YM probably

> > something to do with the beard and uncanny ability to not smile.

> ever.

> > My point is once I asked the girl in question what it was like

> having

> > YM as a father, and she answered something to the effect that it

> > wasn't a big deal... and I can attest that no special favours were

> > shown to her because of who her father was. I totally agrree that

> the

> > leader situation in Sahaj has become something akin to the

> > rabbit/canetoad infestation in Australia, but to vilinize people

> left

> > and right cannot be right, considering that part of the blame

should

> > be passed on to Sahajayogis who do not use their witness powers to

> > discern any inapropriate actions taken by 'leaders' who in turn

may

> > cause harm on others.

> >

> > S

> >

> >

> > , " Violet "

> > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear " S " ,

> > >

> > > i am sure that many others have also grown up with the young

lady,

> who

> > > apparently... ONCE... was a " pesky " little girl, when she went

> > around telling people who her father was, thus making people feel

> > rather intimidated. It is common knowledge that this is a frequent

> > scenario in church congregations, with the minister's wife and

> > children also wielding their authority, in just such a manner.

> > >

> > > " Leaders " .... especially those who consider themselves to be

very

> > important, (and we have proof that this was the case with this

> girl's

> > father, because he did not even defer to Shri Mataji's wishes in a

> > particular matter)....well, they, their wife and children become a

> > sort of 'public property', just like any other public figure

becomes

> > 'public property', because of the role they take.

> > >

> > > Therefore, if someone objects to the 'minister's daughter'

> wielding

> > her authority, they do so in her role as the minister's daughter

and

> > not as the person herself. Therefore, for yourself to jump in and

> take

> > issue on what is a 'public' and not a 'private' issue, is

> inappropriate.

> > >

> > > If facts be spoken, what should really offend you, is that this

> very

> > girl's father, abused his leadership authority and called innocent

> > children as " possessed " . i am sure Jagbir would not have minded

one

> > bit if his children had been called " pesky " instead of

" possessed " .

> > >

> > > So, lets stick to the facts, shall we. We are just too well

> informed

> > on this forum to be whitewashed by idle banter.

> > >

> > > kind regards,

> > >

> > > violet

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " sfacets " <sfacets@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Having grown up alongside this " Pesky little girl " I can

attest

> that

> > > > she was treated no different to other children. Believing

> rumours

> > > and

> > > > idle banter, and worse, respond to it, makes you better than

> those

> > > you

> > > > criticise how? To keep with your analogy, give a dog a bone,

and

> > > he'll

> > > > be back for more. Please keep with facts, and try to refrain

> from

> > > > going on tangents.

> > > > Respect and love,

> > > > S

> > > >

> > > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > , " my2pai "

> <my2pai@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sohniya and everybody,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with the

> > > > > > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common

problem

> > > > > > indeed in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the

> internal

> > > > > > obstacles they have to overcome and then they have more

> > > headaches

> > > > > > in the form of the local Sahaj mafia hoods.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the

> leaders

> > > > > > can get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India

> Tour,

> > > some

> > > > > > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged

> about

> > > > > > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do you

> know

> > > > > > that my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently

senior

> SYs

> > > > > > were checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-my-

> father-

> > > is

> > > > > > gambit of this pesky kid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the

leaders

> > > even

> > > > > > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a

> Puja

> > > > > > speech where She speaks about the problem: " If we appoint

> > > somebody

> > > > > > as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's

really

> the

> > > > > > leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him

because

> he

> > > > > > starts losing everything that is leadership. But the worst

> is,

> > > > > > their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and

> sometimes

> > > the

> > > > > > children also think that way and I won't be surprised even

> if

> > > > > > their dogs and pets behave that way. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have become

> the

> > > > > > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj

> leaders

> > > have

> > > > > > really and deservedly gone to the dogs.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > And YM is that infamous ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan who

ruled

> > > like

> > > > > a despot on the land the International Sahaja Yoga school

was

> > > built.

> > > > > The corrupting power of being both landlord and director of

> the

> > > > > school is known to the few like Kash who crossed his path.

> Yogi

> > > > > Mahajan was a scheming dictator and propaganda minister the

> likes

> > > of

> > > > > which i hope never to come across. His word (and web of lies

> and

> > > > > deceit) uttered on his estate in Dharamsala, India was law

> unto

> > > all

> > > > > mortals under his jurisdiction, even prevailing over that of

> Shri

> > > > > Mataji thousands of miles away in Cabella, Italy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus when Shri Mataji overruled his decision to expel my son

> as

> > > Yogi

> > > > > Mahajan believed Kash was demonic - since YM believed only

> Satan

> > > > > could empower this child to daily meet Her within his

> Sahasrara at

> > > > > will - Yogi Mahajan schemed with his crony Mrs. Chitnavis,

the

> > > > > headmistress appointed by his royal decree, to rid his

estate

> of

> > > > > such satanic souls. Their plot more than fits the required

> > > Bollywood

> > > > > script mix of abusive, corrupt and nonsensical leaders who

are

> > > evil

> > > > > incarnate in human bodies.

> > > > >

> > > > > To cut a long story short, after Shri Mataji refused to

agree

> to

> > > > > YM's recommendations that my children be removed from

> Dharamsala,

> > > > > Kash was suddenly accused of committing the following crimes

> in

> > > > > quick succession:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) that he was a gangster and leader of the school gang

(after

> a

> > > few

> > > > > of his friends, inspired by the movie, got together and

formed

> the

> > > > > Dead Poets Society);

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) was showing porn to grade 6 girls (but no victim, witness

> or

> > > > > smut was produced as evidence);

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) was possessed by demons (and had to spend one month in

> solitary

> > > > > confinement to rid him of his demonic ability to meet and

> converse

> > > > > with the Adi Shakti and other messengers of God Almighty);

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) a silhouette was judged by the bespectacled principle

Mrs.

> > > > > Chitnavis as evidence he was lurking at night around the

> girls'

> > > > > dormitories (even though anyone with poor vision would find

it

> > > next

> > > > > to impossible to recognize any shadow from i) a few hundred

> yards

> > > on

> > > > > ii) a moonless night at iii) an impossible angle from her

> office);

> > > > >

> > > > > There are other minor charges - like snacking after meals,

> talking

> > > > > with girls (while playing), coming late for havan (by a few

> > > > > minutes) - that made Ted Bundy turn green with envy and

> raging-red

> > > > > jealous of Kash's rap sheet. Kash's brown skin was also a

> > > > > disadvantage. According to Mrs. Chitnavis, his Indian genes

> should

> > > > > always behave better than those scheduled class Caucasians

who

> > > were

> > > > > innocent by reason of pardesi color and spirituality-

deficient

> > > > > births for committing the same 'crimes'. (As i have said

> before,

> > > all

> > > > > of us have had too much of Sahaj love and too much of it can

> kill

> > > .)

> > > > >

> > > > > So with all these new charges Shri Mataji was overruled

> despite

> > > Her

> > > > > explicitly confirming that under no circumstance were any of

> them

> > > to

> > > > > be sent back. Despite a second stay confirmation from Shri

> Mataji

> > > > > both brothers were exiled from the despot's kingdom. To

> maximize

> > > > > insult to injury both brothers had to spend the last few

days

> in a

> > > > > run-down Dharamsala hotel, before being unceremoniously

dumped

> in

> > > > > New Delhi.

> > > > >

> > > > > As these events in Dharamsala were unfolding and Kash kept

in

> > > > > isolation, Shri Mataji was on Her way to North America. i

> prepared

> > > a

> > > > > letter before proceeding to Toronto on September 18, 1997,

> with

> > > the

> > > > > intention of delivering it to Her.

> > > > >

> > > > > The next day i was warned by the Canadian leader Jay

Chudasama

> at

> > > > > the Toronto ashram that i was in danger of being thrown out

of

> > > > > Sahaja Yoga if i persisted in accusing the school board of

> > > > > wrongdoing. i replied that i was prepared to leave Sahaja

> Yoga,

> > > but

> > > > > under no circumstances will i withdraw my letter.

> > > > >

> > > > > It was in this state of mind that i walked into Shri

Mataji's

> > > hotel

> > > > > suite in Toronto on September 19, 1996, at about 4:15 p.m.

and

> > > > > prostrated completely (Ashtanga Namaskar) at Her Lotus Feet.

> Shri

> > > > > Mataji Nirmala Devi had summoned me (without even opening

the

> > > letter

> > > > > which i had handed Her at Toronto's Pearson Airport) to

> discuss

> > > > > about my children at Her school in Dharamsala, India. SY Jay

> > > > > Chudasama and Dr. Mishra were also present.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Mahamaya asked me the most mundane of questions: " Are

you

> a

> > > > > Sikh? " . . . " When did you join Sahaja Yoga? " . . . " What

were

> you

> > > > > doing all the while? " . . . " Are you alright with your wife?

"

> > > There

> > > > > was not a single query on Kash's spiritual journeys or any

> related

> > > > > topic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then requested Kash and his younger

> > > brother

> > > > > be brought back to Canada. There was somehow not even the

> > > slightest

> > > > > ripple of reaction from me. For some reason, in my

thoughtless

> > > > > state, the most ridiculous of charges sounded like music to

my

> > > ears.

> > > > > Shri Mataji had done Her best to keep Kash in Dharamsala

> (twice

> > > for

> > > > > the matter), but the despot Yogi Mahajan was determined and

> > > > > overturned even Her final decision. She had to defer to the

> > > landlord

> > > > > of Her school.

> > > > >

> > > > > When Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi had finished talking about the

> > > school

> > > > > board charges the issue of publishing this book was again

> raised —

> > > > > for the third time. i had accepted all allegations with

> complete

> > > > > calmness and was prepared for a negative answer. This would

be

> the

> > > > > best opportunity for the Great Divine Mother to stop its

> > > > > publication. Kash, the very child to whom Shri Maha Avatar

> Shri

> > > > > Nirmala Devi had revealed Her Ultimate Reality, was facing

> serious

> > > > > charges; accusations that he and his brother vehemently

> denied.

> > > > > (Their mother had already crumbled under the onslaught of

> recent

> > > > > events. It was she who reminded me to make sure that Shri

> Mataji's

> > > > > permission to publish Her book be again obtained. In her

mind

> > > these

> > > > > revelations were still for the family only, and the Great

> > > Primordial

> > > > > Mother might terminate publication of this book — and

finally

> give

> > > > > her family some peace of mind from the relentless onslaught

of

> > > > > negativity.) As far as i was concerned this would be the

best

> > > reason

> > > > > and opportunity for Shri Mataji to cease work on the book

> based on

> > > a

> > > > > child whom world leader Yogi Mahajan claimed to be a

gangster

> and

> > > > > demon-possessed porn-peddler.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Mataji told those present that permission had already

> been

> > > > > granted previously, and there was no need to ask again.

> > > > >

> > > > > i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my head in

> > > > > Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory to the

> Mother

> > > !)

> > > > > The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting with Her blessings

> of

> > > > > Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) in my endeavor.

> > > > >

> > > > > After that i waited for years before Shri Mataji expelled

Yogi

> > > > > Mahajan. As far as my family is concerned this is sweet

> justice

> > > > > meted upon the most powerful, abusive, corrupt and

nonsensical

> of

> > > SY

> > > > > leaders trying to destory Her Truth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Allan Wherry and his WCASY pals and Will-wannabee cronies

like

> > > John

> > > > > Noyce, Ed Suagstad, Raj and others have since taken over

where

> > > Yogi

> > > > > Mahajan left. So all of you just stay on the battlefield and

> stand

> > > > > your ground with all your murmurings, gossips, accusations,

> lies

> > > and

> > > > > slanderings against my children and me. Allan Wherry, i will

> see

> > > how

> > > > > many of your kind are left standing when the dust finally

> settles.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jai Shri Ganapathi,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > jagbir

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

P.S. i have one more thing to add: -

 

Shri Mataji told us that She has finished Her Work. 'Finishing Her Work' also

included leaving behind NO successor. She did not appoint any particular

individual to replace Her as " the boss " . (She obviously wanted it that way,

because if She had wanted one, She would have arranged it.)

 

However, She did say that those who had the spiritual vibrations should carry on

Her Message. In that sense, all those who can feel the vibrations and are able

to give Her Message; they are Her natural successors, because they are Her

Children. Shri Mataji has as many successors as there are those who follow Her

Will and apply it in their lives.

 

Considering that Shri Mataji has said that She has " finished " Her Work, why then

have WCASY had to " finish " Her Work for Her? After all, Shri Mataji could have

appointed a suitable " successor " anytime over the 40 years or so, but She chose

NOT to do so. i also must emphasize that when Shri Mataji states that She has

" finished " Her Work........ " SHE HAS FINISHED HER WORK.....PERIOD!!!

 

The stark reality is: -

 

" SHE NEVER APPOINTED A SUCCESSOR " !

 

Logically speaking then, from the time of the utterance that She had finished

Her Work.....it was finished. There was nothing that She had left " undone " that

needed to be done. Therefore, whatever WCASY have " done " since that Time, has

been done by them, and NOT by Shri Mataji.....'logically speaking'. What WCASY

have done and continue to do since Shri Mataji declared that She had finished

Her Work, CANNOT be the Work of Shri Mataji!

 

In fairness to WCASY.....they obviously did not believe that Shri Mataji had

finished Her Work, when She had somehow " failed " to appoint a successor.

Therefore, they duly proceeded to " tie up " this " loose end " and arranged to

appoint " themselves " as successors and inheritors of Her Will.

 

Shri Mataji knew this would happen, which is why She put so many 'checks and

balances' into place, and warned us so much about leaders, saying that

'leadership is a maya', etc. etc. etc. Meanwhile, She encouraged us time and

again, not only to become our own masters, but our own teachers and our own

gurus as well. WCASY are not allowed to be our own masters, teachers, and gurus.

Shri Mataji's 'prescription' was to be 'that' to ourselves only!

 

In regards to the 'tying up of loose ends', a yogi once informed me that Shri

Mataji told this yogi to go ahead and do 'so and so' before " they " would 'tie up

all the loose ends' in the Organization of Sahaja Yoga. Shri Mataji said this

years ago (in reference to those who " fit " into this category).

 

It is obvious to me that " they " also must include " those " who have 'tied up'

what they thought Shri Mataji had left 'undone'......especially in regards to a

successor. " They " are obviously the ones who have gone to extreme lengths to

'tie up' the 'successor problem' by arranging " themselves " to now be the

successors and inheritors of what now has become " Her Exclusive Will " .

 

violet

 

 

, " Violet " <violet.tubb@

> ..> wrote:

>

> " If Sahaja Yogis accept such leaders, then that is what they are

going to be 'served up'. Mother is not in a position anymore to send

them away like She used to, since they have usurped Her Will. It is up

to us now to stand up to these bullies, who are only supposed to be

administrative 'stamp lickers' and 'letter posters'. If we allow them

to be anything more, then as you say, " S " , we are just not using our

spiritual discernment "

>

> Dear All,

>

> If i had ever thought that Shri Mataji would eventually give Her

Will over to a few SY's, i would have left the organization years ago,

knowing that no True Guru, let alone Adi Shakti would ever do that.

>

> As it stands, if that had been Shri Mataji's wish, why did She not

institutionalize Her Will into these leaders years ago, and put it

into writing? (This is a rhetorical queston; it does not need to be

> answered).

>

> Oh, yes......(i almost forgot)......and why is it that only at the

same time that She is given risperidone, that Her Will has finally

been transferred to these villains? (This is a rhetorical queston

which doesn't need answering either).

>

> violet

>

>

> > , " sfacets " <sfacets@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > " I totally agree that the leader situation in Sahaj has become

> something akin to the rabbit/canetoad infestation in Australia, but

to

> vilinize people left and right cannot be right, considering that

part

> of the blame should be passed on to Sahajayogis who do not use their

> witness powers to discern any inapropriate actions taken by

'leaders'

> who in turn may cause harm on others. "

> >

> > Dear " S " ,

> >

> > Since we have been 'wickedly villainizing' leaders left, right,

and

> centre, they have somewhat softened their attitudes, which is what

> happens when people stand up to bullies. The time to tolerate

> 'villainous bullying' behaviour is over now. If leaders and others

> have not learned by now that tactics of domination are not going to

be

> tolerated.... i just don't know. To repeat the refrain of a song: -

> " When will they ever learn? When WILL they eeeeeeeever learn??? "

> >

> > i wonder how much intelligence it really takes to understand that

> dominating people is 'just not on'? Why is it that " leaders " are

> particularly prone to this negativity. Maybe, by sacking leader

after

> leader, Shri Mataji was making a statement, that we should never

> forget.

> >

> > Every time Shri Mataji came to town, it seemed that a leader 'hit

> the dust' for one reason or another. In a manner of speaking.... it

> could be said that Shri Mataji 'villainized' the 'villains' right

off

> the stage of Sahaja Yoga.

> >

> > If Sahaja Yogis accept such leaders, then that is what they are

> going to be 'served up'. Mother is not in a position anymore to send

> them away like She used to, since they have usurped Her Will. It is

up

> to us now to stand up to these bullies, who are only supposed to be

> administrative 'stamp lickers' and 'letter posters'. If we allow

them

> to be anything more, then like you say, " S " , we are just not using

our

> spiritual discernment.

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> > > Hi Violet,

> > >

> > > Well considering that we basically grew up in Dharamsala, there

> > can't

> > > be too many I remember at the time in the early years of the

> > school

> > > we were all in " awe " (for lack of a better word) of YM probably

> > > something to do with the beard and uncanny ability to not smile.

> > ever.

> > > My point is once I asked the girl in question what it was like

> > having

> > > YM as a father, and she answered something to the effect that it

> > > wasn't a big deal... and I can attest that no special favours

were

> > > shown to her because of who her father was. I totally agrree

that

> > the

> > > leader situation in Sahaj has become something akin to the

> > > rabbit/canetoad infestation in Australia, but to vilinize people

> > left

> > > and right cannot be right, considering that part of the blame

> should

> > > be passed on to Sahajayogis who do not use their witness powers

to

> > > discern any inapropriate actions taken by 'leaders' who in turn

> may

> > > cause harm on others.

> > >

> > > S

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Violet "

> > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear " S " ,

> > > >

> > > > i am sure that many others have also grown up with the young

> lady,

> > who

> > > > apparently... ONCE... was a " pesky " little girl, when she went

> > > around telling people who her father was, thus making people

feel

> > > rather intimidated. It is common knowledge that this is a

frequent

> > > scenario in church congregations, with the minister's wife and

> > > children also wielding their authority, in just such a manner.

> > > >

> > > > " Leaders " .... especially those who consider themselves to be

> very

> > > important, (and we have proof that this was the case with this

> > girl's

> > > father, because he did not even defer to Shri Mataji's wishes in

a

> > > particular matter)....well, they, their wife and children become

a

> > > sort of 'public property', just like any other public figure

> becomes

> > > 'public property', because of the role they take.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, if someone objects to the 'minister's daughter'

> > wielding

> > > her authority, they do so in her role as the minister's daughter

> and

> > > not as the person herself. Therefore, for yourself to jump in

and

> > take

> > > issue on what is a 'public' and not a 'private' issue, is

> > inappropriate.

> > > >

> > > > If facts be spoken, what should really offend you, is that

this

> > very

> > > girl's father, abused his leadership authority and called

innocent

> > > children as " possessed " . i am sure Jagbir would not have minded

> one

> > > bit if his children had been called " pesky " instead of

> " possessed " .

> > > >

> > > > So, lets stick to the facts, shall we. We are just too well

> > informed

> > > on this forum to be whitewashed by idle banter.

> > > >

> > > > kind regards,

> > > >

> > > > violet

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " sfacets " <sfacets@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Having grown up alongside this " Pesky little girl " I can

> attest

> > that

> > > > > she was treated no different to other children. Believing

> > rumours

> > > > and

> > > > > idle banter, and worse, respond to it, makes you better than

> > those

> > > > you

> > > > > criticise how? To keep with your analogy, give a dog a bone,

> and

> > > > he'll

> > > > > be back for more. Please keep with facts, and try to refrain

> > from

> > > > > going on tangents.

> > > > > Respect and love,

> > > > > S

> > > > >

> > > > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " my2pai "

> > <my2pai@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sohniya and everybody,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with

the

> > > > > > > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common

> problem

> > > > > > > indeed in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the

> > internal

> > > > > > > obstacles they have to overcome and then they have more

> > > > headaches

> > > > > > > in the form of the local Sahaj mafia hoods.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the

> > leaders

> > > > > > > can get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India

> > Tour,

> > > > some

> > > > > > > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged

> > about

> > > > > > > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do

you

> > know

> > > > > > > that my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently

> senior

> > SYs

> > > > > > > were checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-

my-

> > father-

> > > > is

> > > > > > > gambit of this pesky kid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the

> leaders

> > > > even

> > > > > > > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a

> > Puja

> > > > > > > speech where She speaks about the problem: " If we

appoint

> > > > somebody

> > > > > > > as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's

> really

> > the

> > > > > > > leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him

> because

> > he

> > > > > > > starts losing everything that is leadership. But the

worst

> > is,

> > > > > > > their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and

> > sometimes

> > > > the

> > > > > > > children also think that way and I won't be surprised

even

> > if

> > > > > > > their dogs and pets behave that way. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have

become

> > the

> > > > > > > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj

> > leaders

> > > > have

> > > > > > > really and deservedly gone to the dogs.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And YM is that infamous ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan who

> ruled

> > > > like

> > > > > > a despot on the land the International Sahaja Yoga school

> was

> > > > built.

> > > > > > The corrupting power of being both landlord and director

of

> > the

> > > > > > school is known to the few like Kash who crossed his path.

> > Yogi

> > > > > > Mahajan was a scheming dictator and propaganda minister

the

> > likes

> > > > of

> > > > > > which i hope never to come across. His word (and web of

lies

> > and

> > > > > > deceit) uttered on his estate in Dharamsala, India was law

> > unto

> > > > all

> > > > > > mortals under his jurisdiction, even prevailing over that

of

> > Shri

> > > > > > Mataji thousands of miles away in Cabella, Italy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus when Shri Mataji overruled his decision to expel my

son

> > as

> > > > Yogi

> > > > > > Mahajan believed Kash was demonic - since YM believed only

> > Satan

> > > > > > could empower this child to daily meet Her within his

> > Sahasrara at

> > > > > > will - Yogi Mahajan schemed with his crony Mrs. Chitnavis,

> the

> > > > > > headmistress appointed by his royal decree, to rid his

> estate

> > of

> > > > > > such satanic souls. Their plot more than fits the required

> > > > Bollywood

> > > > > > script mix of abusive, corrupt and nonsensical leaders who

> are

> > > > evil

> > > > > > incarnate in human bodies.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To cut a long story short, after Shri Mataji refused to

> agree

> > to

> > > > > > YM's recommendations that my children be removed from

> > Dharamsala,

> > > > > > Kash was suddenly accused of committing the following

crimes

> > in

> > > > > > quick succession:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) that he was a gangster and leader of the school gang

> (after

> > a

> > > > few

> > > > > > of his friends, inspired by the movie, got together and

> formed

> > the

> > > > > > Dead Poets Society);

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) was showing porn to grade 6 girls (but no victim,

witness

> > or

> > > > > > smut was produced as evidence);

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) was possessed by demons (and had to spend one month in

> > solitary

> > > > > > confinement to rid him of his demonic ability to meet and

> > converse

> > > > > > with the Adi Shakti and other messengers of God Almighty);

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4) a silhouette was judged by the bespectacled principle

> Mrs.

> > > > > > Chitnavis as evidence he was lurking at night around the

> > girls'

> > > > > > dormitories (even though anyone with poor vision would

find

> it

> > > > next

> > > > > > to impossible to recognize any shadow from i) a few

hundred

> > yards

> > > > on

> > > > > > ii) a moonless night at iii) an impossible angle from her

> > office);

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are other minor charges - like snacking after meals,

> > talking

> > > > > > with girls (while playing), coming late for havan (by a

few

> > > > > > minutes) - that made Ted Bundy turn green with envy and

> > raging-red

> > > > > > jealous of Kash's rap sheet. Kash's brown skin was also a

> > > > > > disadvantage. According to Mrs. Chitnavis, his Indian

genes

> > should

> > > > > > always behave better than those scheduled class Caucasians

> who

> > > > were

> > > > > > innocent by reason of pardesi color and spirituality-

> deficient

> > > > > > births for committing the same 'crimes'. (As i have said

> > before,

> > > > all

> > > > > > of us have had too much of Sahaj love and too much of it

can

> > kill

> > > > .)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So with all these new charges Shri Mataji was overruled

> > despite

> > > > Her

> > > > > > explicitly confirming that under no circumstance were any

of

> > them

> > > > to

> > > > > > be sent back. Despite a second stay confirmation from Shri

> > Mataji

> > > > > > both brothers were exiled from the despot's kingdom. To

> > maximize

> > > > > > insult to injury both brothers had to spend the last few

> days

> > in a

> > > > > > run-down Dharamsala hotel, before being unceremoniously

> dumped

> > in

> > > > > > New Delhi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As these events in Dharamsala were unfolding and Kash kept

> in

> > > > > > isolation, Shri Mataji was on Her way to North America. i

> > prepared

> > > > a

> > > > > > letter before proceeding to Toronto on September 18, 1997,

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > intention of delivering it to Her.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The next day i was warned by the Canadian leader Jay

> Chudasama

> > at

> > > > > > the Toronto ashram that i was in danger of being thrown

out

> of

> > > > > > Sahaja Yoga if i persisted in accusing the school board of

> > > > > > wrongdoing. i replied that i was prepared to leave Sahaja

> > Yoga,

> > > > but

> > > > > > under no circumstances will i withdraw my letter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It was in this state of mind that i walked into Shri

> Mataji's

> > > > hotel

> > > > > > suite in Toronto on September 19, 1996, at about 4:15 p.m.

> and

> > > > > > prostrated completely (Ashtanga Namaskar) at Her Lotus

Feet.

> > Shri

> > > > > > Mataji Nirmala Devi had summoned me (without even opening

> the

> > > > letter

> > > > > > which i had handed Her at Toronto's Pearson Airport) to

> > discuss

> > > > > > about my children at Her school in Dharamsala, India. SY

Jay

> > > > > > Chudasama and Dr. Mishra were also present.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Mahamaya asked me the most mundane of questions: " Are

> you

> > a

> > > > > > Sikh? " . . . " When did you join Sahaja Yoga? " . . . " What

> were

> > you

> > > > > > doing all the while? " . . . " Are you alright with your

wife?

> "

> > > > There

> > > > > > was not a single query on Kash's spiritual journeys or any

> > related

> > > > > > topic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then requested Kash and his

younger

> > > > brother

> > > > > > be brought back to Canada. There was somehow not even the

> > > > slightest

> > > > > > ripple of reaction from me. For some reason, in my

> thoughtless

> > > > > > state, the most ridiculous of charges sounded like music

to

> my

> > > > ears.

> > > > > > Shri Mataji had done Her best to keep Kash in Dharamsala

> > (twice

> > > > for

> > > > > > the matter), but the despot Yogi Mahajan was determined

and

> > > > > > overturned even Her final decision. She had to defer to

the

> > > > landlord

> > > > > > of Her school.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi had finished talking about

the

> > > > school

> > > > > > board charges the issue of publishing this book was again

> > raised —

> > > > > > for the third time. i had accepted all allegations with

> > complete

> > > > > > calmness and was prepared for a negative answer. This

would

> be

> > the

> > > > > > best opportunity for the Great Divine Mother to stop its

> > > > > > publication. Kash, the very child to whom Shri Maha Avatar

> > Shri

> > > > > > Nirmala Devi had revealed Her Ultimate Reality, was facing

> > serious

> > > > > > charges; accusations that he and his brother vehemently

> > denied.

> > > > > > (Their mother had already crumbled under the onslaught of

> > recent

> > > > > > events. It was she who reminded me to make sure that Shri

> > Mataji's

> > > > > > permission to publish Her book be again obtained. In her

> mind

> > > > these

> > > > > > revelations were still for the family only, and the Great

> > > > Primordial

> > > > > > Mother might terminate publication of this book — and

> finally

> > give

> > > > > > her family some peace of mind from the relentless

onslaught

> of

> > > > > > negativity.) As far as i was concerned this would be the

> best

> > > > reason

> > > > > > and opportunity for Shri Mataji to cease work on the book

> > based on

> > > > a

> > > > > > child whom world leader Yogi Mahajan claimed to be a

> gangster

> > and

> > > > > > demon-possessed porn-peddler.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Mataji told those present that permission had already

> > been

> > > > > > granted previously, and there was no need to ask again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my head

in

> > > > > > Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory to the

> > Mother

> > > > !)

> > > > > > The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting with Her

blessings

> > of

> > > > > > Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) in my endeavor.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After that i waited for years before Shri Mataji expelled

> Yogi

> > > > > > Mahajan. As far as my family is concerned this is sweet

> > justice

> > > > > > meted upon the most powerful, abusive, corrupt and

> nonsensical

> > of

> > > > SY

> > > > > > leaders trying to destory Her Truth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Allan Wherry and his WCASY pals and Will-wannabee cronies

> like

> > > > John

> > > > > > Noyce, Ed Suagstad, Raj and others have since taken over

> where

> > > > Yogi

> > > > > > Mahajan left. So all of you just stay on the battlefield

and

> > stand

> > > > > > your ground with all your murmurings, gossips,

accusations,

> > lies

> > > > and

> > > > > > slanderings against my children and me. Allan Wherry, i

will

> > see

> > > > how

> > > > > > many of your kind are left standing when the dust finally

> > settles.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jai Shri Ganapathi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jagbir

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sfacets " <sfacets@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Violet,

> > >

> > > Well considering that we basically grew up in Dharamsala, there

> > can't

> > > be too many I remember at the time in the early years of the

> > school

> > > we were all in " awe " (for lack of a better word) of YM probably

> > > something to do with the beard and uncanny ability to not smile.

> > ever.

> > > My point is once I asked the girl in question what it was like

> > having

> > > YM as a father, and she answered something to the effect that it

> > > wasn't a big deal... and I can attest that no special favours

were

> > > shown to her because of who her father was. I totally agrree

that

> > the

> > > leader situation in Sahaj has become something akin to the

> > > rabbit/canetoad infestation in Australia, but to vilinize people

> > left

> > > and right cannot be right, considering that part of the blame

> should

> > > be passed on to Sahajayogis who do not use their witness powers

to

> > > discern any inapropriate actions taken by 'leaders' who in turn

> may

> > > cause harm on others.

> > >

> > > S

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Violet "

> > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear " S " ,

> > > >

> > > > i am sure that many others have also grown up with the young

> lady,

> > who

> > > > apparently... ONCE... was a " pesky " little girl, when she went

> > > around telling people who her father was, thus making people

feel

> > > rather intimidated. It is common knowledge that this is a

frequent

> > > scenario in church congregations, with the minister's wife and

> > > children also wielding their authority, in just such a manner.

> > > >

> > > > " Leaders " .... especially those who consider themselves to be

> very

> > > important, (and we have proof that this was the case with this

> > girl's

> > > father, because he did not even defer to Shri Mataji's wishes in

a

> > > particular matter)....well, they, their wife and children become

a

> > > sort of 'public property', just like any other public figure

> becomes

> > > 'public property', because of the role they take.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, if someone objects to the 'minister's daughter'

> > wielding

> > > her authority, they do so in her role as the minister's daughter

> and

> > > not as the person herself. Therefore, for yourself to jump in

and

> > take

> > > issue on what is a 'public' and not a 'private' issue, is

> > inappropriate.

> > > >

> > > > If facts be spoken, what should really offend you, is that

this

> > very

> > > girl's father, abused his leadership authority and called

innocent

> > > children as " possessed " . i am sure Jagbir would not have minded

> one

> > > bit if his children had been called " pesky " instead of

> " possessed " .

> > > >

> > > > So, lets stick to the facts, shall we. We are just too well

> > informed

> > > on this forum to be whitewashed by idle banter.

> > > >

> > > > kind regards,

> > > >

> > > > violet

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " sfacets " <sfacets@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Having grown up alongside this " Pesky little girl " I can

> attest

> > that

> > > > > she was treated no different to other children. Believing

> > rumours

> > > > and

> > > > > idle banter, and worse, respond to it, makes you better than

> > those

> > > > you

> > > > > criticise how? To keep with your analogy, give a dog a bone,

> and

> > > > he'll

> > > > > be back for more. Please keep with facts, and try to refrain

> > from

> > > > > going on tangents.

> > > > > Respect and love,

> > > > > S

> > > > >

> > > > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " my2pai "

> > <my2pai@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sohniya and everybody,

> > > > > > >

>; > > > > > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with

the

> > > > > > > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common

> problem

> > > > > > > indeed in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the

> > internal

> > > > > > > obstacles they have to overcome and then they have more

> > > > headaches

> > > > > > > in the form of the local Sahaj mafia hoods.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the

> > leaders

> > > > > > > can get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India

> > Tour,

> > > > some

> > > > > > > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged

> > about

> > > > > > > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do

you

> > know

> > > > > > > that my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently

> senior

> > SYs

> > > > > > > were checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who-

my-

> > father-

> > > > is

> > > > > > > gambit of this pesky kid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the

> leaders

> > > > even

> > > > > > > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a

> > Puja

> > > > > > > speech where She speaks about the problem: " If we

appoint

> > > > somebody

> & gt; > > > > > as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's

> really

> > the

> > > > > > > leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him

> because

> > he

> > > > > & gt; > starts losing everything that is leadership. But the

worst

> > is,

> > > > > > > their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and

> > sometimes

> > > > the

> > > > > > > children also think that way and I won't be surprised

even

> > if

> > > > > > > their dogs and pets behave that way. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have

become

> > the

> > > > > > > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj

> > leaders

> > > > have

> > > > > > > really and deservedly gone to the dogs.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And YM is that infamous ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan who

> ruled

> > > > like

> > > > > > a despot on the land the International Sahaja Yoga school

> was

> > > > built.

> > > > > > The corrupting power of being both landlord and director

of

> > the

> > > > > > school is known to the few like Kash who crossed his path.

> > Yogi

> > > > > > Mahajan was a scheming dictator and propaganda minister

the

> > likes

> > > > of

> > > > > > which i hope never to come across. His word (and web of

lies

> > and

> > > > > > deceit) uttered on his estate in Dharamsala, India was law

> > unto

> > > > all

> > > > > > mortals under his jurisdiction, even prevailing over that

of

> > Shri

> > > > > > Mataji thousands of miles away in Cabella, Italy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus when Shri Mataji overruled his decision to expel my

son

> > as

> > > > Yogi

> > > > > > Mahajan believed Kash was demonic - since YM believed only

> > Satan

> > > > > > could empower this child to daily meet Her within his

> > Sahasrara at

> > > > > > will - Yogi Mahajan schemed with his crony Mrs. Chitnavis,

> the

> > > > > > headmistress appointed by his royal decree, to rid his

> estate

> > of

> > > > > > such satanic souls. Their plot more than fits the required

> > > > Bollywood

> > > > > > script mix of abusive, corrupt and nonsensical leaders who

> are

> > > > evil

> > > > > > incarnate in human bodies.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To cut a long story short, after Shri Mataji refused to

> agree

> > to

> > > > > > YM's recommendations that my children be removed from

> > Dharamsala,

> > > > > > Kash was suddenly accused of committing the following

crimes

> > in

> > > > > > quick succession:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) that he was a gangster and leader of the school gang

> (after

> > a

> > > > few

> > > > > > of his friends, inspired by the movie, got together and

> formed

> > the

> > > > > > Dead Poets Society);

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) was showing porn to grade 6 girls (but no victim,

witness

> > or

> > > > > > smut was produced as evidence);

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) was possessed by demons (and had to spend one month in

> > solitary

> > > > > > confinement to rid him of his demonic ability to meet and

> > converse

> > > > > > with the Adi Shakti and other messengers of God Almighty);

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4) a silhouette was judged by the bespectacled principle

> Mrs.

> > > > > > Chitnavis as evidence he was lurking at night around the

> > girls'

> > > > > > dormitories (even though anyone with poor vision would

find

> it

> > > > next

> > > > > > to impossible to recognize any shadow from i) a few

hundred

> > yards

> > > > on

> > > > > > ii) a moonless night at iii) an impossible angle from her

> > office);

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are other minor charges - like snacking after meals,

> > talking

> > > > > > with girls (while playing), coming late for havan (by a

few

> > > > > > minutes) - that made Ted Bundy turn green with envy and

> > raging-red

> > > > > > jealous of Kash's rap sheet. Kash's brown skin was also a

> > > > > > disadvantage. According to Mrs. Chitnavis, his Indian

genes

> > should

> > > > > > always behave better than those scheduled class Caucasians

> who

> > > > were

> > > > > > innocent by reason of pardesi color and spirituality-

> deficient

> > > > > > births for committing the same 'crimes'. (As i have said

> > before,

> > > > all

> > > > > > of us have had too much of Sahaj love and too much of it

can

> > kill

> > > > .)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So with all these new charges Shri Mataji was overruled

> > despite

> > > > Her

> > > > > > explicitly confirming that under no circumstance were any

of

> > them

> > > > to

> > > > > > be sent back. Despite a second stay confirmation from Shri

> > Mataji

> > > > > > both brothers were exiled from the despot's kingdom. To

> > maximize

> > > > > > insult to injury both brothers had to spend the last few

> days

> > in a

> > > > > > run-down Dharamsala hotel, before being unceremoniously

> dumped

> > in

> > > > > > New Delhi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As these events in Dharamsala were unfolding and Kash kept

> in

> > > > > > isolation, Shri Mataji was on Her way to North America. i

> > prepared

> > > > a

> > > > > > letter before proceeding to Toronto on September 18, 1997,

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > intention of delivering it to Her.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The next day i was warned by the Canadian leader Jay

> Chudasama

> > at

> > > > > > the Toronto ashram that i was in danger of being thrown

out

> of

> > > > > > Sahaja Yoga if i persisted in accusing the school board of

> > > > > > wrongdoing. i replied that i was prepared to leave Sahaja

> > Yoga,

> > > > but

> > > > > > under no circumstances will i withdraw my letter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It was in this state of mind that i walked into Shri

> Mataji's

> > > > hotel

> > > > > > suite in Toronto on September 19, 1996, at about 4:15 p.m.

> and

> > > > > > prostrated completely (Ashtanga Namaskar) at Her Lotus

Feet.

> > Shri

> > > > > > Mataji Nirmala Devi had summoned me (without even opening

> the

> > > > letter

> > > > > > which i had handed Her at Toronto's Pearson Airport) to

> > discuss

> > > > > > about my children at Her school in Dharamsala, India. SY

Jay

> > > > > > Chudasama and Dr. Mishra were also present.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Mahamaya asked me the most mundane of questions: " Are

> you

> > a

> > > > > > Sikh? " . . . " When did you join Sahaja Yoga? " . . . " What

> were

> > you

> > > > > > doing all the while? " . . . " Are you alright with your

wife?

> "

> > > > There

> > > > > > was not a single query on Kash's spiritual journeys or any

> > related

> > > > > > topic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then requested Kash and his

younger

> > > > brother

> > > > > > be brought back to Canada. There was somehow not even the

> > > > slightest

> > > > > > ripple of reaction from me. For some reason, in my

> thoughtless

> > > > > > state, the most ridiculous of charges sounded like music

to

> my

> > > > ears.

> > > > > > Shri Mataji had done Her best to keep Kash in Dharamsala

> > (twice

> > > > for

> > > > > > the matter), but the despot Yogi Mahajan was determined

and

> > > > > > overturned even Her final decision. She had to defer to

the

> > > > landlord

> > > > > > of Her school.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi had finished talking about

the

> > > > school

> > > > > > board charges the issue of publishing this book was again

> > raised —

> > > > > > for the third time. i had accepted all allegations with

> > complete

> > > > > > calmness and was prepared for a negative answer. This

would

> be

> > the

> > > > > > best opportunity for the Great Divine Mother to stop its

> > > > > > publication. Kash, the very child to whom Shri Maha Avatar

> > Shri

> > > > > > Nirmala Devi had revealed Her Ultimate Reality, was facing

> > serious

> > > > > > charges; accusations that he and his brother vehemently

> > denied.

> > > > > > (Their mother had already crumbled under the onslaught of

> > recent

> > > > > > events. It was she who reminded me to make sure that Shri

> > Mataji's

> > > > > > permission to publish Her book be again obtained. In her

> mind

> > > > these

> > > > > > revelations were still for the family only, and the Great

> > > > Primordial

> > > > > > Mother might terminate publication of this book — and

> finally

> > give

> > > > > > her family some peace of mind from the relentless

onslaught

> of

> > > > > > negativity.) As far as i was concerned this would be the

> best

> > > > reason

> > > > > > and opportunity for Shri Mataji to cease work on the book

> > based on

> > > > a

> > > > > > child whom world leader Yogi Mahajan claimed to be a

> gangster

> > and

> > > > > > demon-possessed porn-peddler.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Mataji told those present that permission had already

> > been

> > > > > > granted previously, and there was no need to ask again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my head

in

> > > > > > Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory to the

> > Mother

> > > > !)

> > > > > > The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting with Her

blessings

> > of

> > > > > > Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) in my endeavor.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After that i waited for years before Shri Mataji expelled

> Yogi

> > > > > > Mahajan. As far as my family is concerned this is sweet

> > justice

> > > > > > meted upon the most powerful, abusive, corrupt and

> nonsensical

> > of

> > > > SY

> > > > > > leaders trying to destory Her Truth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Allan Wherry and his WCASY pals and Will-wannabee cronies

> like

> > > > John

> > > > > > Noyce, Ed Suagstad, Raj and others have since taken over

> where

> > > > Yogi

> > > > > > Mahajan left. So all of you just stay on the battlefield

and

> > stand

> > > > > > your ground with all your murmurings, gossips,

accusations,

> > lies

> > > > and

> > > > > > slanderings against my children and me. Allan Wherry, i

will

> > see

> > > > how

> > > > > > many of your kind are left standing when the dust finally

> > settles.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jai Shri Ganapathi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jagbir

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>